Live blogging the vote for 2012-296, human rights ordinance.

[AshleyLauren]

Lumb is not supporting the bill because he genuinely believes as a matter of conscience. Instead of working to accomplish goals over time we introduce legislation's that we think should automatically be passed. I'm sympathetic, but as a legislator I just cannot back it.

Jones clarifies what the substitute does.

By your vote the substitute fails. 3-2.

Please, please, please!!! Someone take Redman's mic away!!! Chik-fil-a has not been harmed by the discrimination they have experienced recently. If anything their lines have been longer since then!!! It HELPED HIS BUSINESS! And, the thing that gets to me the most. Redman cannot get away from the moral issue with this bill. The only moral issue, Don, is that you think the Bible and Christians are the only people in this country that deserve to be treated equally. That is the only moral issue!

The bill is failed 4-1.

[AshleyLauren]

Voting for the bill Joost and Gaffney. Voting against the bill were Carter, Gulliford, and Redman.

[avonjax]

Redman asks if gay men can lead boy scouts. Jones brings Jimmy up to answer legally that the constitution states a gay man can be restricted from being a part of the boy scouts of America. Legally they have the right to only involve heterosexual christian men. Redman clearly doesn't trust lawyers on the LGBT side therefore asked a lawyer from his side to answer the question.

Jimmy, not that my opinion matters, but that was rude and I am sorry Redman is a Class-A jerk.

Gulliford, Laws like this erode our liberty a little more every time we pass one. This goes to far and protects others in ways other classes are not given. I have a problem with the number of 15 for a small business. I agree this bill takes away from others and our freedoms will be restricted by passing these bills.

the sad truth is most men who molest boys are married and supposedly heterosexual. Just ask Sandusky.
I am going to make a horrible statement.
Redman is an ahole.
There are some people in the world that all you have to do is look at them and you know they are probably an ahole and Mr Redman is one of those people.
I ask that all those on this site forgive me for my name calling.
I just can't help it in this case.
(I also get the same feeling when I look at Clay Yarborough.)

[Timkin]

Lumb is not supporting the bill because he genuinely believes as a matter of conscience. Instead of working to accomplish goals over time we introduce legislation's that we think should automatically be passed. I'm sympathetic, but as a legislator I just cannot back it.

Jones clarifies what the substitute does.

By your vote the substitute fails. 3-2.

Please, please, please!!! Someone take Redman's mic away!!! Chik-fil-a has not been harmed by the discrimination they have experienced recently. If anything their lines have been longer since then!!! It HELPED HIS BUSINESS! And, the thing that gets to me the most. Redman cannot get away from the moral issue with this bill. The only moral issue, Don, is that you think the Bible and Christians are the only people in this country that deserve to be treated equally. That is the only moral issue!

The bill is failed 4-1.

The "Christians" prevail. 

[fsquid]

I'm curious, have other southern cities had to go through this many hoops to pass a bill like this? 

[Timkin]

Redman asks if gay men can lead boy scouts. Jones brings Jimmy up to answer legally that the constitution states a gay man can be restricted from being a part of the boy scouts of America. Legally they have the right to only involve heterosexual christian men. Redman clearly doesn't trust lawyers on the LGBT side therefore asked a lawyer from his side to answer the question.

Jimmy, not that my opinion matters, but that was rude and I am sorry Redman is a Class-A jerk.

Gulliford, Laws like this erode our liberty a little more every time we pass one. This goes to far and protects others in ways other classes are not given. I have a problem with the number of 15 for a small business. I agree this bill takes away from others and our freedoms will be restricted by passing these bills.

the sad truth is most men who molest boys are married and supposedly heterosexual. Just ask Sandusky.
I am going to make a horrible statement.
Redman is an ahole.
There are some people in the world that all you have to do is look at them and you know they are probably an ahole and Mr Redman is one of those people.
I ask that all those on this site forgive me for my name calling.
I just can't help it in this case.
(I also get the same feeling when I look at Clay Yarborough.)

Cannot disagree here.   This panel is tremendously disappointing , and classic Mayberry...err Jacksonville "Christian" Bigotry at its finest .

[avonjax]

The thing that's lost on so many is this is NOT a religious issue. It's a human decency issue. Whatever your moral belief is it is morally wrong to discriminate against anyone. ANYONE.
If you are living with your girlfriend or boyfriend you are morally wrong according to the Bible.
Get drunk: Same
Lie: (All politicians lie, so all politicians are morally wrong. That includes you Mr Redman) Same
Steal: Same
Commit Adultery: Same
I won't go on we all know the rest.
But god forbid if you are gay.
You are the evil spawn of satan waiting in the shadows to seduce innocent heterosexuals.
Oh and did I mention you probably torture and kill puppies.

[Timkin]

Next, his kind (and Daniels)  will require anyone who is openly gay to be shocked into being straight

If there is a silver lining to this , the time will come for them when THEIR god judges them .  I wouldn't want to be any of them.

[Timkin]

The thing that's lost on so many is this is NOT a religious issue. It's a human decency issue. Whatever your moral belief is it is morally wrong to discriminate against anyone. ANYONE.
If you are living with your girlfriend or boyfriend you are morally wrong according to the Bible.
Get drunk: Same
Lie: (All politicians lie, so all politicians are morally wrong. That includes you Mr Redman) Same
Steal: Same
Commit Adultery: Same
I won't go on we all know the rest.
But god forbid if you are gay.
You are the evil spawn of satan waiting in the shadows to seduce innocent heterosexuals.
Oh and did I mention you probably torture and kill puppies.

This especially applies to Redman and Daniels. Two hypocrites, if ever there was

[avonjax]

I think I shared this Daniels story before but I'll share it again. She came into the retail establishment I work in and behaved like an evil B*^$h. Rude and awful. Everyone whispered as she left. Of course being the good guy I am, I told them who she was. If I was her I would mail a big fat check to the person her took the photo that she uses for all her promo stuff. SHE LOOKS NOTHING LIKE THAT.  She looked like a hag. She had messed up hair and sloppy clothes.
I'm not saying this just to be mean or because I dislike her. After dealing with her hatefulness I really don't like her. I didn't know who she was at first and when I did all of her crazy hatefulness made perfect sense.

Sidebar
I'm watching the news and Rick (The alien crook)  Scott is standing by Jennifer Carroll in that horrible off base accusation that she was diddling with another woman. (A little note to you Scott, you are a MAN, of the planet earth I'm not sure of, but a man nevertheless, so I don't think she will care too much.)
Let's face it, she is attractive and I'm sure she's having a fling with her aide or whoever it was.
When did it become law that a black lesbian, or bisexual had to be ugly?
Oh right this a Republican=Hypocrite thing.

[avonjax]

There I go name calling again.
I swear everyone I am really a nice person.
I have met several people who frequent this site and they will vouch for me. (I guess/hope.)

[Tacachale]

I'm curious, have other southern cities had to go through this many hoops to pass a bill like this?

That's a good question. In Florida they certainly have by and large, I expect the rest of the south will be similar. The extent of resistance has varied depending on the locality. As such every city's ordinance is a bit different, as they've been tweaked to get it to pass (as we've done here). We are way behind the curve, however, way behind.

[Tacachale]

There I go name calling again.
I swear everyone I am really a nice person.
I have met several people who frequent this site and they will vouch for me. (I guess/hope.)

I wouldn't sweat it. Redman is pretty extraordinary in his capacity to embarrass the city.

[Timkin]

There I go name calling again.
I swear everyone I am really a nice person.
I have met several people who frequent this site and they will vouch for me. (I guess/hope.)

I don't know that Ive met you, but Id like to.  I think your assessment of Daniels is pretty much on the mark.

It is so incredibly sad that this City has the potential it has, and is kept in the dark ages and manipulated by the like of these individuals who probably take great pride in discrimination. 

It is a lesson to me to be far more active come next election cycle and do my level best to see to it that they do not continue to be voted in.

While I do like CM Lumb,  that he would even be reluctant on this bill is sad.  He sure didn't mind the gay community casting their vote FOR him . But now that hes in , its okay to slap them in the face.

I expected as much of Redman and Daniels .

CM Jones  will always have my respect.  He tried his best and stood in our corner. My hat is off to the man.

[fsquid]

so what is the status of the bill now after the 2-3 against vote?