Judge threatens to block opening of new Duval courthouse Read more at Jackson

Started by coredumped, April 23, 2012, 04:16:39 PM

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vicupstate

#30
May 24, 2012, 05:50:25 AM
Actually the contractor is in charge of the project.

You have a point though, they should have tested these fire and emergency systems as soon as they broke ground.

I know Brown made you look foolish by winning when you though it impossible for Hogan to lose, but if he fails, Jacksonville fails, so you might not want to cut your nose off to spite to your face. 

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tufsu1

#31
May 24, 2012, 08:33:39 AM
^ its kind of hard to test the fire systems until the building is virtually complete.....for example, ceiling tiles should be in place....so this is always done near the end

KenFSU

#32
May 24, 2012, 08:37:08 AM
Can anyone else picture a ribbon-cutton ceremony that ends with the new Courthouse tumbling to the ground?

vicupstate

#33
May 24, 2012, 09:58:08 AM
Quote from: tufsu1 on May 24, 2012, 08:33:39 AM
^ its kind of hard to test the fire systems until the building is virtually complete.....for example, ceiling tiles should be in place....so this is always done near the end

I was being facetious as a response to Mtrain's rant.
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mtraininjax

#34
May 24, 2012, 10:26:14 AM
QuoteI know Brown made you look foolish by winning when you though it impossible for Hogan to lose, but if he fails, Jacksonville fails, so you might not want to cut your nose off to spite to your face. 

Brown is the one with the egg on his face, he's been in office for a year, sort of hard to blame this on Delaney, but hey, maybe we can get a Public/Private partnership out of accepting the blame?

Just think of the costs for moving them once and then again?! Welcome to your 2nd term Mr. Mayor! Nice new appointment from Washington yesterday, a new communications officer from DC, because they know how to communicate in DC!
And, that $115 will save Jacksonville from financial ruin. - Mayor John Peyton

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vicupstate

#35
May 24, 2012, 11:17:22 AM
Delaney hasn't been mayor since 2003.  I assume you meant Peyton.

Most mayor's need a year or two to get their sea legs. Peyton needed 6.  Hogan wouldn't have need any time because all he planned to do was be a caretaker. 

Things go wrong. If you have ever been in a position of leadership, you would know that.  The key is how they are handled and are corrections made to avoid them from reoccurring.
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Tacachale

#36
May 24, 2012, 11:28:28 AM
^It would be nice to see some of that handling and correcting getting done. A year on deck is more than enough time to get one's sea legs.
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mtraininjax

#37
May 24, 2012, 12:51:30 PM
QuoteDelaney hasn't been mayor since 2003.  I assume you meant Peyton.

Most mayor's need a year or two to get their sea legs. Peyton needed 6.  Hogan wouldn't have need any time because all he planned to do was be a caretaker. 

Things go wrong. If you have ever been in a position of leadership, you would know that.  The key is how they are handled and are corrections made to avoid them from reoccurring.

Nope, I meant Delaney, he did start the ball rolling on the Courthouse, and some people, again, some point to him as the beginning of contention. Granted Peyton threw out Delaney's plans, threw out all the work and started over, but Peyton's terms never amounted to anything, his is the lost generation of mayoral work. He has no real legacy other than contributing to the Courthouse mess.

Hard to say how we would have progressed with Mike, but maybe we will get a new chance in 3 years, at this rate,  Brown is the most amazing cheerleader, but he has yet to make his mark on the city. Time will tell and he has some fun issues coming up on taxes, Corey and Pensions, his own included.

Brown is going to have to raise taxes at some point, he keeps denying it and saying he won't, as if he is waiting for some outside event to push him to make the case. As with Rick Scott, you can only cut so far, then you have to go to the people and look for a revenue increase. Not Brown's fault, just the cards he was dealt. If we want a world-class city, we are going to have to pay for it now.
And, that $115 will save Jacksonville from financial ruin. - Mayor John Peyton

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-Mayor Alvin Brown on new video boards at Everbank Field

duvaldude08

#38
May 24, 2012, 12:58:31 PM
Quote from: tufsu1 on May 24, 2012, 08:33:39 AM
^ its kind of hard to test the fire systems until the building is virtually complete.....for example, ceiling tiles should be in place....so this is always done near the end

My concern would be, why would they give the green light for the "Big Move" without the proper safety clearence?  That makes no sense.
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Dapperdan

#39
May 24, 2012, 03:07:58 PM
This whole thing is such a huge embarrasment. When will it end?

Dapperdan

#40
May 24, 2012, 03:09:09 PM
How come no one has been allowed inside to take any pictures at all during construction? Isn't that a bit odd? I can't remember seeing on any news sites any inside shots during any stage of the construction.

Non-RedNeck Westsider

#41
May 24, 2012, 03:12:14 PM
Quote from: Dapperdan on May 24, 2012, 03:09:09 PM
How come no one has been allowed inside to take any pictures at all during construction? Isn't that a bit odd? I can't remember seeing on any news sites any inside shots during any stage of the construction.

Probably for the same reason we had to pass stringent security/background checks to work on the FBI building off of Gate Pkwy.  You don't want everyone knowing how it's built.
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Dapperdan

#42
May 24, 2012, 03:24:30 PM
So a picture of the lobby or a picture of a courtroom is a security threat? I don't buy that.

Non-RedNeck Westsider

#43
May 24, 2012, 03:27:52 PM
Even if the ceilings are still exposed? 

I don't know, Dan.  Maybe they don't want anyone to see the Oompa Loompas that are costing the city $400M.

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tufsu1

#44
May 24, 2012, 03:32:13 PM
Quote from: Dapperdan on May 24, 2012, 03:09:09 PM
How come no one has been allowed inside to take any pictures at all during construction? Isn't that a bit odd? I can't remember seeing on any news sites any inside shots during any stage of the construction.

that's not true...council members and the news media has been on tours of the building....there is video of some of the court rooms and the 7-story atrium
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