Prosecutions Coming for Global Warming Deniers?

[Driven1]

nvestors.com:   Cannot predict from quarter to quarter the outcome of something as comparatively simple as a national economy.

I think it is clear that there are only two online authorities as it relates to global warming (and all other matters actually):

1) wonkette.com
2) huffingtonpost.com

[Charleston native]

...Additionally, your attempt to smear this brilliant man is made evident by your apparent lack of realization that he is the chair of climate science for NASA, not some nonprofit.  He doesnt have to 'beg' for backers or funding.  It is our actual govt in action.  The same people that took us to the Moon and are presently exploring Mars.

Quite the opposite, hes had to deal with a 24 year old political thought governor named George Deutsch treating him like a bad child and cutbacks and outright overwriting his findings from the Bush administration and their multiple oil men in appointed office.

Stephen, I'm well aware of his position at NASA. The article I posted addresses that. Besides, chairs for any government association do have to petition for funding on many projects that they want done within their organization.

As a government official, I would expect him to leave his personal politics out of his work, but like a good little liberal, this is impossible for this man to do. Smearing him? I just call him on his bullshit and his influences. And please, stop it with the Bush/Oil men conspiracy theories. If he was in oil's pocket, we would already be drilling for it right now.

Driven, don't forget dailykos.com

[Lunican]

Charleston, Thanks for that very scientific opinion piece written by a radio talk show host.

[Charleston native]

So, an article has to be scientific in order to call a scientist with tremendous political influences on his bullshit? Oooooooookay...

[gatorback]

Poetic justice rarely comes so swiftly.

[Charleston native]

I think from Lunican and Stephen's posts, we can deduce that once a man becomes a scientist, he is completely above reproach, especially from anything other than scientific criticism.

Free speech...continuing to be the thorns amongst the roses from which the liberals sniff.

[Charleston native]

Uh, other scientists who vehemently disagree with Hansen should qualify as ample credibility and legitimacy to take Hansen to task scientifically, and they have done so.

The article I posted merely outlined Hansen's lack of credibility based on his political affiliations and influences, not his theories. Hence, it was from a political journal. There was no scientific criticism.

Apples and oranges...I get tired of saying it, but that's what it is.

[Charleston native]

Other scientific criticisms have been posted in previous threads. You missed my point. It is ludicrous to say that you can't criticize a man on his politics when he uses it to influence his science.

Stephen, you can't be serious. You actually think Hansen's work has no political motivations or influences? What he says is complete fact......no wait, it's "law"? You've managed to basically throw out what science is all about. You have, in essence, placed Hansen into a God-like figure.

There is no desperation in finding science that merely questions the lunacy of other scientists who adhere to politically corrupt dogma. Talk about stereotyping.

[RiversideGator]

Well River, lets just step back a little.

Jim Hansen:  Correctly predicts 20 sequential years of development extrapolating from massive data from which he brilliantly deduced the future.

Stephen:  You conveniently left out some of the facts.  Here is a temperature chart of the last 20 years:

[RiversideGator]

Ice is absolutely not being reformed at a fast rate in the arctic, nor is it reforming on the ice shelf surrounding the antarctic.

Really?  Check this out:

[RiversideGator]

Oh, and scientists may have discovered the reason for the ice melt:

Volcanic eruptions reshape Arctic ocean floor: study

Wed Jun 25, 4:13 PM ET

PARIS (AFP) - Recent massive volcanoes have risen from the ocean floor deep under the Arctic ice cap, spewing plumes of fragmented magma into the sea, scientists who filmed the aftermath reported Wednesday.
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The eruptions -- as big as the one that buried Pompei -- took place in 1999 along the Gakkel Ridge, an underwater mountain chain snaking 1,800 kilometres (1,100 miles) from the northern tip of Greenland to Siberia.

Scientists suspected even at the time that a simultaneous series of earthquakes were linked to these volcanic spasms.

But when a team led of scientists led by Robert Sohn of the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution in Massachusetts finally got a first-ever glimpse of the ocean floor 4,000 meters (13,000 feet) beneath the Arctic pack ice, they were astonished.

What they saw was unmistakable evidence of explosive eruptions rather than the gradual secretion of lava bubbling up from Earth's mantle onto the ocean floor.

Previous research had concluded that this kind of so-called pyroclastic eruption could not happen at such depths due to the crushing pressure of the water.

"On land, explosive volcanic eruptions are nothing exceptional, although they present a major threat," said Vera Schlindwein, a geologist with Germany's Alfred Wegener Institute for Sea and Polar Research, which took part in the study.

But the new findings, published in Nature, showed that "large-scale pyroclastic activity is possible along even the deepest portions of the global mid-ocean ridge volcanic system."

The mid-ocean ridge runs 84,000 kilometres (52,000 miles) beneath all the world's major seas except the Southern Ocean, and marks the boundary between many of the tectonic plates that make up the surface of the Earth.

When continental plates collide into each other, they can thrust up mountain ranges such as the Himalayas.

But along most of the mid-ocean ridge -- including the Gakkal Ridge -- the plates are pulling apart, allowing molten magna and gases trapped beneath the crust to escape.

Sohn and his colleagues gathered their data in July last year aboard the ice breaker Oden, using state-of-the-art instruments including a mutlibeam echo sounder, two autonomous underwater vehicles and a sub-ice camera designed for the mission.

Both sonar and visual images showed an ocean valley filled with flat-topped volcanos up to two kilometres (1.2 miles) wide and several hundred metres high.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080625/sc_afp/sciencegeologyoceansvolcano

[RiversideGator]

BTW, did I mention that Antartic ice coverage (the other pole, you know) is at the highest point in the last 30 years?

[RiversideGator]

And, global sea ice appears to be quite normal:

[RiversideGator]

Stephen, there is a word for worshipers at the altar of global warming and its prophets Al Gore and James Hansen:  SUCKERS!   

[BridgeTroll]

Oh, and scientists may have discovered the reason for the ice melt:

Volcanic eruptions reshape Arctic ocean floor: study

Wed Jun 25, 4:13 PM ET

PARIS (AFP) - Recent massive volcanoes have risen from the ocean floor deep under the Arctic ice cap, spewing plumes of fragmented magma into the sea, scientists who filmed the aftermath reported Wednesday.
ADVERTISEMENT

The eruptions -- as big as the one that buried Pompei -- took place in 1999 along the Gakkel Ridge, an underwater mountain chain snaking 1,800 kilometres (1,100 miles) from the northern tip of Greenland to Siberia.

Scientists suspected even at the time that a simultaneous series of earthquakes were linked to these volcanic spasms.

But when a team led of scientists led by Robert Sohn of the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution in Massachusetts finally got a first-ever glimpse of the ocean floor 4,000 meters (13,000 feet) beneath the Arctic pack ice, they were astonished.

What they saw was unmistakable evidence of explosive eruptions rather than the gradual secretion of lava bubbling up from Earth's mantle onto the ocean floor.

Previous research had concluded that this kind of so-called pyroclastic eruption could not happen at such depths due to the crushing pressure of the water.

"On land, explosive volcanic eruptions are nothing exceptional, although they present a major threat," said Vera Schlindwein, a geologist with Germany's Alfred Wegener Institute for Sea and Polar Research, which took part in the study.

But the new findings, published in Nature, showed that "large-scale pyroclastic activity is possible along even the deepest portions of the global mid-ocean ridge volcanic system."

The mid-ocean ridge runs 84,000 kilometres (52,000 miles) beneath all the world's major seas except the Southern Ocean, and marks the boundary between many of the tectonic plates that make up the surface of the Earth.

When continental plates collide into each other, they can thrust up mountain ranges such as the Himalayas.

But along most of the mid-ocean ridge -- including the Gakkal Ridge -- the plates are pulling apart, allowing molten magna and gases trapped beneath the crust to escape.

Sohn and his colleagues gathered their data in July last year aboard the ice breaker Oden, using state-of-the-art instruments including a mutlibeam echo sounder, two autonomous underwater vehicles and a sub-ice camera designed for the mission.

Both sonar and visual images showed an ocean valley filled with flat-topped volcanos up to two kilometres (1.2 miles) wide and several hundred metres high.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080625/sc_afp/sciencegeologyoceansvolcano

Water from magma is melting the ice???  Now I feel foolish.........