So what's your vision of what Jacksonville could be?

[Adam W]

That makes no sense, if you aren't happy here, you move somewhere else.

Must have missed that rule in the handbook of "how to avoid civic duty and any responsibility for the world around you"

I disagree. I don't think there's anything selfless in trying to make someplace into what YOU want it to be. And I get tired of those people (I know a few and I'm not referring to anyone on this forum as far as I know) who seem to think they're doing everyone else a favor by putting on art shows and DJing at bars.

It's all selfish and that's not to say it's a bad thing: it just is what it is. (Selfish or self-interested doesn't have to necessarily have a pejorative connotation). I don't have any problem with people doing what they can do to try to make Jax into what they think would be a great place.

Just don't try to act like you're doing it for my sake or that you're some kind of martyr for the greater good. And to reiterate, Stephen, I am not referring to you or anyone else on this forum. But it's something that just winds me up.

[Anti redneck]

That makes no sense, if you aren't happy here, you move somewhere else.

You see, people like you have held this city back for way too long and it's time for people like you to get out of the way. We're taking over and if people like you have a problem with change, people like you can leave.

[Anti redneck]

And when I say Westside, all the major news stations believe the Westside to run from I-95 west.

? I-95 WEST?

[Timkin]

And when I say Westside, all the major news stations believe the Westside to run from I-95 west.

? I-95 WEST?

I guess I-95 runs West , after a few cases of Schlitz .  , But actually I think the message was supposed to say WEST of I-95    Who can say?

[Know Growth]

We don't want the backwoods inferiority here anymore!

Is it too late for us to sell the Westside, also known by its inhabitants as the Bestside, to the Mexicans for some magic jumping beans?

And when I say Westside, all the major news stations believe the Westside to run from I-95 west.

it's too late for the Westside.It can be and will be sold,but not to the highest bidders.

[Know Growth]

. We're taking over and if people like you have a problem with change, people like you can leave.
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great mock chamber promo.     "We're being taken over! Is this place for you??"

good future FLAP campaign idea- thanks,I'll Take It from here...........

[Anti redneck]

. We're taking over and if people like you have a problem with change, people like you can leave.
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great mock chamber promo.     "We're being taken over! Is this place for you??"

good future FLAP campaign idea- thanks,I'll Take It from here...........

I tell you what, I won't get into it with anyone, since this forum was started to hear everyone's ideas professed on what the city could do to bring out it's potential. I can't believe anyone would want to keep it the way it is right now, though.

[Anti redneck]

We don't want the backwoods inferiority here anymore!

Is it too late for us to sell the Westside, also known by its inhabitants as the Bestside, to the Mexicans for some magic jumping beans?

And when I say Westside, all the major news stations believe the Westside to run from I-95 west.

it's too late for the Westside.It can be and will be sold,but not to the highest bidders.

Why is it too late? What do you mean it will be sold? How and to who?

[Know Growth]

I tell you what, I won't get into it with anyone, since this forum was started to hear everyone's ideas professed on what the city could do to bring out it's potential. I can't believe anyone would want to keep it the way it is right now, though.
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In fact decisions and events,pivotal during the past two decades of Change,have in fact delivered a city as we see today,future options limited by virtue of a city dangling between past and future "back then".

[I-10east]

LOL Nomeus, that was pretty funny.

[Anti redneck]

I tell you what, I won't get into it with anyone, since this forum was started to hear everyone's ideas professed on what the city could do to bring out it's potential. I can't believe anyone would want to keep it the way it is right now, though.

In fact decisions and events,pivotal during the past two decades of Change,have in fact delivered a city as we see today,future options limited by virtue of a city dangling between past and future "back then".
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So what's your vision of what Jacksonville could become?

[Anti redneck]

I’ve personally seen JSO detectives perform with attitudes and mentalities I can only describe as second-rate .  All this means of course is that good training is in store.  These fellows, not all of them, but I suspect too many of them, function with shameful mediocrity.  A journey to a system of high standards is in order.   
   
Currently, it seems that there are some in the JSO and the detective force who, having sensed that they have a temporary power over all citizens, have given themselves the freedom to perform without concern for high standards, or to the exertion of creativity to solve cases.  Some seem to serve with a relaxed indifference to justice and to the proper care to the concerns and the welfare of the average citizen.

In some ways, the JSO has an easier time in making decisions about how much to favor the public of their immediate concern, as they have very little concern about profit or efficiency.  Therefore one would think the average officer would find it easier to offer 100% attention to projecting integrity and honesty, and attention to job accomplishments.  There is little excuse for anything other than these attributes.  We, as citizens, pay them well so that they can be free from engaging in profit making decisions which might otherwise conflict with their ability to be honest and effective in their efforts to serve the public.  Does this sound like I'm bashing the JSO.  Not in any way.  I'm being honest though.  Does the truth hurt?  Yes.  But it is good.       

This might stir up controversy, but I think there needs to be some clean-up action on that topic. I personally think it's time to retire JSO and completely rebuild the local police force all the way around. You're right on that.

[Anti redneck]

I tell you what, I won't get into it with anyone, since this forum was started to hear everyone's ideas professed on what the city could do to bring out it's potential. I can't believe anyone would want to keep it the way it is right now, though.

In fact decisions and events,pivotal during the past two decades of Change,have in fact delivered a city as we see today,future options limited by virtue of a city dangling between past and future "back then".

So what's your vision of what Jacksonville could become?
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And furthermore KG, what is your difference between "change" and "grow"? You sound educated on the topic. I'd like to hear you on that. I'm still interested in hearing what your vision of Jacksonville is, though.

[danem]

I'll throw in some ideas. I really can't speak to how such things should be done, but I can speak to what I think end results should be.

Jacksonville could have stronger, safer neighborhoods and more of a sense of a community despite it's unique and wide-spreading geography. While diverse in its many areas, Jacksonville could be a source of pride for its residents no matter what area they live in or what type of lifestyle the prefer. Urbanites and suburbanites alike could take pride in where they live. There could be centers of community in areas far from downtown, such as Mandarin, Baymeadows, Town Center, Arlington, etc etc. These centers would be parks, ampitheaters, a square--something simple or not so simple, but it would be there and be something that if you lived in that area, the drive or the train ride is not too far.

Transportation within Jacksonville could serve a common outcome: choices and utility. With choices, there is mass transit where appropriate, and with utility, people are getting where they need to go without five lanes of aggravation or taking two hours to go 5 miles. With these two things, Jacksonville could grow in a more healthy way.

Jacksonville could be a destination for businesses of all sizes. The current hi-rises downtown could be filled with small and midsize businesses, even without the help of the big players. But not only downtown...even the southside offices could be a place where there exist many businesses, many JOBS, and not just 7 Eleven jobs.

Jacksonville could have its own identity and it's own culture, both based on history and based on the history that is being made right now. This identity would be well known nationwide, not because we have some kind of "draw" or gimmick, but because we have a community that works.

Again, not even going to get into what's possible or how it should be done. That's just what I think.

[mtraininjax]

Without copying what has been said about the JSO, I look at them like a company with 1700 employees. Yes, there are going to be people with god-like complexes, sure there will be internal strife, sure there will be people who have issues with others outside their employer, but hey, who doesn't have that as an issue?

Add the uncomfortable uniforms, all that body armor the uniformed officers have to wear, and some of the real crappy details or projects they are stuck on, not to mention bad people shoot at them, look at your job and compare what you go through with other people to what they go through.

Rutherford has a good company of people, its not perfect, but they are efficient and I feel better with them protecting me the way they are, or the way I see them. Next time you get a chance to say hello to one, go do it, get an idea of what their day is like as you share yours with them. They are people who pull their pants on just like you do.