Republicans' Deliberate Use of Leninist Strategy to Bust Social Security Support

[FayeforCure]

I am shocked you would see things the way you do...

Republicans Democrats in leadership are a very monolithic sterotypical group, that's why a reasoned person like Huntsman Leiberman doesn't didn't stand a chance.  It used to be the Republican's Democrats strength.......but it could very well be their undoing.

Ya think democrats who do not toe the party line are electable in a presidential election??  They have their sacred cows just as the republicans do... and the base gets pretty riled up when they deviate from the plan...

The Democratic Party line being Republican lite.

[buckethead]

I had a little looksee at Govtrac.org to gander at the who's who of the NDAA.

It was a broadly supported bill. Nays were are pathetic minority. Most of those had a D by their names. (to the credit of democrat voters) Very few Rs stood in opposition.

There was one in particular, D that voted yea, who could have really gained more of my trust. Sadly, President Obama voted with the fascist party.

Incidentally, Ron Paul voted nay. His veto of that bill would have been a welcome rebuke of congress.

[FayeforCure]

I had a little looksee at Govtrac.org to gander at the who's who of the NDAA.

It was a broadly supported bill. Nays were are pathetic minority. Most of those had a D by their names. (to the credit of democrat voters) Very few Rs stood in opposition.

There was one in particular, D that voted yea, who could have really gained more of my trust. Sadly, President Obama voted with the fascist party.

Incidentally, Ron Paul voted nay. His veto of that bill would have been a welcome rebuke of congress.

Thank you buckethead. There is still a difference between the two parties. Republicans clearly support indefinite detention, and Obama does their bidding!

Next time, when any of you vote remember this!

NDAA is a very dangerous law
By: | TriCities.com
Published: January 19, 2012 Updated: January 19, 2012 - 6:33 AM

While most Americans were celebrating the holidays, President Barack Obama quietly signed the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA), otherwise known as the “Indefinite Detention Act,” into law. Obama had initially said he would veto the bill which contains the draconian language authorizing the US military to seize and incarcerate US citizens without warrant, due process, trial, etc. Of course, Obama quickly changed his mind after the bill passed both houses of Congress.

When signing the NDAA into law, Obama issued a signing statement that in essence said, “I have the power to detain Americans... but I won’t.”

Americans should realize that, coupled with the Patriot Act, the NDAA, for all intents and purposes, completely nullifies a good portion of the Bill of Rights, turns the United States into a war zone, and places US citizens under military rule. And what is even more astonishing is the manner in which the national press corps, and even the so-called “conservative” talking heads, have either completely ignored it, or have actually defended it.  These actions by both the President and the Congress alike, no doubt, are creating a very dangerous law.

http://www2.tricities.com/news/2012/jan/19/ndaa-very-dangerous-law-ar-1622111/

Lets make the pendulum swing back to Democracy!!! Vote for a Democratic congressman/woman.

[Ajax]

When signing the NDAA into law, Obama issued a signing statement that in essence said, “I have the power to detain Americans... but I won’t.”

That's short-sighted.  Not good enough.  Just because President Obama says he wouldn't do it doesn't mean that a President Gingrich (or pick your favorite bogeyman) wouldn't.  In this case, either you're for checks and balances or you're not. 

[finehoe]

I am shocked you would see things the way you do...

Republicans Democrats in leadership are a very monolithic sterotypical group, that's why a reasoned person like Huntsman Leiberman doesn't didn't stand a chance.  It used to be the Republican's Democrats strength.......but it could very well be their undoing.

Ya think democrats who do not toe the party line are electable in a presidential election??  They have their sacred cows just as the republicans do... and the base gets pretty riled up when they deviate from the plan...

The right and the left both have intemperate voices. But here's the key: only the conservative movement counts the most vile blowhards as leading lights, embraced by the leadership. Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Mark Levin, Sarah Palin: these are among the most popular conservatives in America. Who are the folks on the left with equivalent popularity and influence?

[Dog Walker]

John Stewart?

[FayeforCure]

John Stewart?

Jon Stewart doesn't work for a so-called news station (Faux/Fox News)that has been banned in Canada, because Canadians have a law that prohibits news stations from telling lies.

Jon Stewart regards himself as a comedian, not a politician or news person.

[Ajax]

John Stewart?

Jon Stewart doesn't work for a so-called news station (Faux/Fox News)that has been banned in Canada, because Canadians have a law that prohibits news stations from telling lies.

Jon Stewart regards himself as a comedian, not a politician or news person.

I didn't realize that Fox News was banned in Canada.  I was in Montreal earlier this year and they have a channel that I could swear was the Canadian version of Fox News.  I forgot all about it until you just mentioned that - I was going to try and go online and see if they're both run by Murdoch. 

[Ajax]

Ok, it was Sun News Network. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_News_Network 

They have a guy named Charles Adler who would fit right in on Fox.  I just skimmed through the Wikipedia entry - doesn't look like there's any Murdoch connection.  But there's no denying the people who run that channel have watched their share of Fox! 

[FayeforCure]

John Stewart?

Jon Stewart doesn't work for a so-called news station (Faux/Fox News)that has been banned in Canada, because Canadians have a law that prohibits news stations from telling lies.

Jon Stewart regards himself as a comedian, not a politician or news person.

I didn't realize that Fox News was banned in Canada.  I was in Montreal earlier this year and they have a channel that I could swear was the Canadian version of Fox News.  I forgot all about it until you just mentioned that - I was going to try and go online and see if they're both run by Murdoch.

Ajax, here is that news about Fox being banned in Canada:

Fox News' Lies Keep Them Out of Canada

By Robert F. Kennedy Jr., Reader Supported News

01 March 11



s America's middle class battles for its survival on the Wisconsin barricades - against various Koch Oil surrogates and the corporate toadies at Fox News - fans of enlightenment, democracy and justice can take comfort from a significant victory north of the Wisconsin border. Fox News will not be moving into Canada after all! The reason: Canadian regulators announced last week they would reject efforts by Canada's right-wing Prime Minister, Stephen Harper, to repeal a law that forbids lying on broadcast news.

Canada's Radio Act requires that "a licenser may not broadcast ... any false or misleading news." The provision has kept Fox News and right-wing talk radio out of Canada and helped make Canada a model for liberal democracy and freedom. As a result of that law, Canadians enjoy high quality news coverage, including the kind of foreign affairs and investigative journalism that flourished in this country before Ronald Reagan abolished the "Fairness Doctrine" in 1987. Political dialogue in Canada is marked by civility, modesty, honesty, collegiality, and idealism that have pretty much disappeared on the US airwaves.

When Stephen Harper moved to abolish the anti-lying provision of the Radio Act, Canadians rose up to oppose him fearing that their tradition of honest non-partisan news would be replaced by the toxic, overtly partisan, biased and dishonest news coverage familiar to American citizens who listen to Fox News and talk radio. Harper's proposal was timed to facilitate the launch of a new right-wing network, "Sun TV News" which Canadians call "Fox News North."

Harper, often referred to as "George W. Bush's Mini Me," is known for having mounted a Bush-like war on government scientists, data collectors, transparency, and enlightenment in general. He is a wizard of all the familiar tools of demagoguery; false patriotism, bigotry, fear, selfishness and belligerent religiosity.

Harper's attempts to make lying legal on Canadian television are a stark admission that right-wing political ideology can only dominate national debate through dishonest propaganda. Since corporate profit-taking is not an attractive vessel for populism, a political party or broadcast network that makes itself the tool of corporate and financial elites must lie to make its agenda popular with the public. In the Unites States, Fox News and talk radio, the sock puppets of billionaires and corporate robber barons, have become the masters of propaganda and distortion on the public airwaves. Fox News' notoriously biased and dishonest coverage of the Wisconsin's protests is a prime example of the brand of news coverage Canada has smartly avoided.

http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/276-74/5123-fox-news-lies-keep-them-out-of-canada

[Tacachale]

Sorry, Faye, Fox News is available in Canada. This info comes from a friend from Manitoba, and verified by Fox News' own website:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,184837,00.html

Canada does indeed have a law (Canada's Radio Act) that states that broadcasters can't air "any false or misleading news". Having a law against it doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Additionally, at one point the CRTC did reject a permit for Fox to form a new Canadian channel distinct from Fox News, but it had nothing to do with "telling lies".

Like us Canada has a strong tradition of free speech; they would not go for the government "banning" entire channels that said things it didn't like.

[finehoe]

John Stewart?

Do you really think Jon Stewart spews the equivalent amount of easily-disproved bullshit that a Sean Hannity or a Sarah Palin does?  Do Democratic politicians rush to Stewart's show to beg forgiveness when they go against the party line like Republican politicians do to Limbaugh's when they do the same?

[FayeforCure]

Sorry, Faye, Fox News is available in Canada. This info comes from a friend from Manitoba, and verified by Fox News' own website:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,184837,00.html

Canada does indeed have a law (Canada's Radio Act) that states that broadcasters can't air "any false or misleading news". Having a law against it doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Additionally, at one point the CRTC did reject a permit for Fox to form a new Canadian channel distinct from Fox News, but it had nothing to do with "telling lies".

Like us Canada has a strong tradition of free speech; they would not go for the government "banning" entire channels that said things it didn't like.

Sorry Tacachale, I'm not inclined to believe a Fox website........no doubt those who receive satelite might be able to view The US Fox News station.

Understanding The History And Purpose Of FOX News


November 26, 2011
By Randy Reynolds



You’d think a thing like FOX couldn’t happen in the United States. Although they’re free to be crazy and free to support the Republican Party, you’d think Americans would be too smart to fall for the made-up outrages, dishonest reporting and relentless appeal to our meaner nature. Unfortunately, many Americans are not as smart as we used to assume: a huge swath of Americans (especially elderly white Southerners) believe FOX is just another news media outlet. They aren’t.

What is FOX? Pensitore Review (8-18-09) pulled no punches in answering that question: “ FOX News is indisputably the most popular cable news channel. And yet in 13 years, Fox has never broken a story. That’s okay, because it is not in the news business. It is in the news-shaping business. Its programming is an admixture of right-wing propaganda and fear-porn for feeble-minded paranoiacs, served up by spokesmodels who have no clue what they are reading.”






Whew! Could that be true? I report/You decide:

Nixon White House aide Roger Ailes in the 1970′s created fake news stories that favored President Nixon. He shipped these pre-mixed video packages to TV stations around the country at the expense of rightwing extremist Joseph Coors. It was all b.s. all the time, but the TV stations, pretending they had a correspondent in Washington, ran this propaganda as straight news. Now that Ailes runs FOX News, his goals are the same: to spread republicanism by altering the news.

FOX is a “relentless agenda-driven 24 hour news opinion propaganda delivery system” ~Jon Stewart

“They’re a Republican brand. They’re an extension of the Republican Party with some exceptions” ~Larry King

‎”[Fox is] widely viewed as a part of the Republican Party: take their talking points and put them on the air, take their opposition research and put it on the air. And that’s fine. But let’s not pretend they’re a news organization like CNN is.” ~Anita Dunn

There are thousands of examples of FOX not just “leaning” in a particular direction on an issue… but actively changing around the words and meanings of interviews to make them seem to say the opposite of what the person interviewed actually said; of lies about what happened; of incorrect graphics…for example, calling Congressman Mark Foley a Democrat when he got caught in gay chatter with pages and calling Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords a Republican when there was an outpouring of sympathy for her after she got shot.

FOX took a sparsely-attended tea-party rally in Washington and spliced in video of a heavily-attended event of an entirely different nature from months earlier.

FOX has gotten caught using image manipulation software to edit the appearance of people they don’t like to make them appear more sinister.

FOX alters poll results to mislead its viewers; in one case, their massacre of a Rasmussen poll on climate change ended up with a poll number of 120%â€"mathematically impossible, of course, except in FOX world.

On 4-24-09… White House correspondent Wendell Goler cropped a comment by Obama and took it out of context â€" effectively reversing the statement’s meaning â€" to falsely suggest that Obama supports creating a health care system “like the European countries.”

A 2010 Ohio State University study of public misperceptions about the so-called “Ground Zero Mosque” found that viewers who relied on Fox News were 66% more likely to believe incorrect rumors than those with “low reliance” on Fox News ~Wikipedia

A study by the Program on International Policy Attitudes showed 67% of Fox viewers believed that the “U.S. has found clear evidence in Iraq that Saddam Hussein was working closely with the al Qaeda terrorist organization” (He wasn’t. He hated, feared and banned them, but you’d never know that by watching FOX).

Wait, it gets worse: For all other networks and news sources, the MORE you watch them, the MORE you know about the actual facts. Those who view CNN, NBC, ABC, CBS, MSNBC, & NPR the MOST, have the BEST grasp of the FACTS. With FOX it â€" is- the â€" opposite!! Which is what gave birth to the mocking slogan: THE MORE YOU WATCH FOX, THE LESS YOU KNOW.

In the summer of 2003, 34% of Americans who did not follow the news very closely believed evidence had been found that linked Iraq with al Qaeda before the U.S. invasion. 42% of people who were moderate consumers of FOX news had that opinion. Among those who “watched FOX News very closely” … that number was 80% !! ~Political Science Quarterly, Vol. 118, #4 THE MORE YOU WATCH FOX, THE LESS YOU KNOW!

FOX News’ Happening Now cropped clips of Obama from an April 3 speech in France to falsely suggest that Obama only criticized the United States. In doing so, Happening Now joined conservative commentators and Fox News hosts who have cropped or misrepresented Obama’s overseas remarks to falsely suggest, in the words of host Sean Hannity, that Obama was “blam[ing] America first” and, more broadly, that Obama’s earlier overseas trip constituted an “apology tour.”

Fox News presented a clip of Joe Biden criticizing John McCain’s “the fundamentals of the economy are strong” statement…. Problem is, this was something Biden was QUOTING…from SIX MONTHS EARLIER… but it was edited by FOX to make it seem that Biden was stating it as his own opinion. The bogus clip was introduced by Live Desk co-host Martha MacCallum as comments Biden had made in interviews THIS WEEKEND.

FOX pushed the bogus stat that cap-and-trade would cost “every American family $1,761 annually.” PolitiFact.com has labeled the statistic false and noted that the talking point has been pushed by Republicans.

On 9/30/09 FOX Gregg Jarrett said on the air that the Obama Department of Justice “thinks it’s OK to intimidate white people, not OK to intimidate black people at the polls.”

‎”If we went back … to the fall of 2008, to the campaign, that was a time this country was in two wars that we had a financial collapse probably more significant than any financial collapse since the Great Depression. If you were a Fox News viewer in the fall election what you would have seen were that the biggest stories and the biggest threats facing America were a guy named Bill Ayers and a something called ACORN.” ~Anita Dunn

A 2011 Kaiser Family Foundation survey on U.S. misperceptions about health care reform found that Fox News viewers scored lower for factual knowledge than other news viewers â€" Wikipedia

It’s against the law to lie on television in Canada. Canadian conservatives tried to change that law so FOX could broadcast in Canada. They were unable to get the law changed, so FOX does not operate in Canada!

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2011/11/26/understanding-the-history-and-purpose-of-fox-news/

Not comfortable with Fox lying? Stop watching Fox Faux News!

Free speech should not include hate speech or lying and pretending that's news.

[Sigma]

By Robert F. Kennedy Jr.

Well there's a clue!  Faye - why do you continuously post from the Puffington Post and quote articles from libs as being objective "news"?

You don't have to believe Fox Faye - just google it.  And stop being a crybaby against Fox when you try passing crap off from very dubious sources. 

[buckethead]

When RFK has something to say, it's worth listening.

His is one of the most noble voices in our nation's history.

RFK is far from some liberal hack.

Edit: RFK Jr.   Oopsie... N/M