The End of State Road 9A

[tufsu1]

well strider, this has been in the works and on FDOT's priority list for years...and yes, they are delaying projects because of lower than expected revenies.

as for where the funds go, Federal law prohibits givernments from having any local preference criteria when spending Federal $ (which this is).

[strider]

well strider, this has been in the works and on FDOT's priority list for years...and yes, they are delaying projects because of lower than expected revenies.

as for where the funds go, Federal law prohibits givernments from having any local preference criteria when spending Federal $ (which this is).

None of that excuses the fact that 1.3 million is being spent to change the name of a road.  That people have been using all this time just fine.  Wasteful in the best of times, criminal in times like these.  It is a project that should not have been  period regardless of when the decision was made.  Think of it this way, why the name change?  To make it easier to have out of towners know which roads to take through and around Jacksonville? Yep, good common sense in play there anyway you look at it. 

[Lunican]

It's waste of money that makes the issue more confusing anyway.

Instead of taking 9A North you will take I-295 East Beltway North.

[Timkin]

I guess that it is great news that with all the budget cuts and the cut backs on all levels that FDOT is spending $1.3 million just to change the name of a road? Did this recession end and nobody told me?  And all those funds going to an out of town company.  Yep. makes perfect sense to me.

I know, right?    We have cuts of all kinds going on around us, but the Interstate signage has top priority.  It seems like the decal material they attach to metal to create a sign could just be attached to the existing.. Maybe not.  but seems like it would  cost a lot less than a totally new sign or in this case many signs.

[tufsu1]

It's waste of money that makes the issue more confusing anyway.

Instead of taking 9A North you will take I-295 East Beltway North.

lots of cities have beltways and they figure it out...for example, DC uses terms like inner loop and outer loop

[danem]

I guess that it is great news that with all the budget cuts and the cut backs on all levels that FDOT is spending $1.3 million just to change the name of a road? Did this recession end and nobody told me?  And all those funds going to an out of town company.  Yep. makes perfect sense to me.

I know, right?    We have cuts of all kinds going on around us, but the Interstate signage has top priority.  It seems like the decal material they attach to metal to create a sign could just be attached to the existing.. Maybe not.  but seems like it would  cost a lot less than a totally new sign or in this case many signs.

I think it has to be a different shape for Interstates. There's been a 295 sign next to the 9A sign at the onramp at St. Johns Bluff for a couple weeks already.

[tufsu1]

It's waste of money that makes the issue more confusing anyway.

Instead of taking 9A North you will take I-295 East Beltway North.

lots of cities have beltways and they figure it out...for example, DC uses terms like inner loop and outer loop

gosh.  those people in DC are so advanced.

what...you don't think folks in Jax. can figure it out?

[Lunican]

It's waste of money that makes the issue more confusing anyway.

lots of cities have beltways and they figure it out...for example, DC uses terms like inner loop and outer loop

It's dumb everywhere tufsu. This is what happens when we spend billions of dollars on roads that start and end in the same place.

[tufsu1]

To each their own...I have seen the pros (and cons) of beltways personally in Baltimore and Washington

Check out the concentric zone model...it is one of three major theories of urban spatial organization

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concentric_zone_model

Other najor models are sector and multiple niclei

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sector_model

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiple_nuclei_model

[tufsu1]

It's waste of money that makes the issue more confusing anyway.

lots of cities have beltways and they figure it out...for example, DC uses terms like inner loop and outer loop

It's dumb everywhere tufsu. This is what happens when we spend billions of dollars on roads that start and end in the same place.

question...is it that you don't like roads or the loop idea?  because if it is the latter, then I guess you have a problem with the design of the L in downtown Chicago too?

[mbwright]

Why can' t they just put stickers with I-295 over the existing 9A  and save a bunch of money, like they did downtown when FCCJ was changed to FSCJ?

Maybe they could use the savings to smooth I-10 going into town.  The area near the Ramona flea market going into town is like a washboard.  They keep cutting sections out, and replacing the concrete, making it very uneven.

[fsujax]

They should smooth it out once they are done replacing the failed sections. Personally, I am glad to finally see it become all I-295.

[tufsu1]

Maybe they could use the savings to smooth I-10 going into town.  The area near the Ramona flea market going into town is like a washboard.  They keep cutting sections out, and replacing the concrete, making it very uneven.

as fsujax noted, they will "sand" the road down after replacing all the sections....just like they are doing on Roosevelt Blvd.

btw...FDOT just started the same process on I-95 near JTB...the one lane is really rough right now

[Jaxson]

I agree that the completed I-295 beltway was a long time coming as well as the signage.  I remember that the same happened when I-695 was completed around Baltimore. 
The only question that lingers in my head, outside of I-295, is why I-10 was not built to terminate at the Beaches. 

[mbwright]

Thanks, it just seems like they have been working on I-10 in some capcitiy it for years....