Discussion about the fair share of Jaguars Economics

[Dashing Dan]

Charitable contributions from the owners of NFL teams are a very inefficient way to redistribute wealth.  They take part of the money that we give them and turn it over to recipients of their own choosing.

What we really need is something like the bounce that New Orleans got from the Saints.

Redistribute wealth??  Lets stick to the Jags victory here... 

A new topic might be... The Weavers Inefficient Wealth Distribution Machine.

OK, let's put it this way.  If you borrow my car you should help pay for the gas.

[BridgeTroll]

Charitable contributions from the owners of NFL teams are a very inefficient way to redistribute wealth.  They take part of the money that we give them and turn it over to recipients of their own choosing.

What we really need is something like the bounce that New Orleans got from the Saints.

Redistribute wealth??  Lets stick to the Jags victory here... 

A new topic might be... The Weavers Inefficient Wealth Distribution Machine.

OK, let's put it this way.  If you borrow my car you should help pay for the gas.

Perhaps... but I will pick where I fill up...

Meanwhile... back to the jags v ravens...

[ProjectMaximus]

Charitable contributions from the owners of NFL teams are a very inefficient way to redistribute wealth.  They take part of the money that we give them and turn it over to recipients of their own choosing.

What we really need is something like the bounce that New Orleans got from the Saints.

Redistribute wealth??  Lets stick to the Jags victory here... 

A new topic might be... The Weavers Inefficient Wealth Distribution Machine.

OK, let's put it this way.  If you borrow my car you should help pay for the gas.

Pretty sure I bought my ticket to the Jags game so that I could go to watch a Jags game. Not really expecting anything else for my money.

[ProjectMaximus]

Charitable contributions from the owners of NFL teams are a very inefficient way to redistribute wealth.  They take part of the money that we give them and turn it over to recipients of their own choosing.

What we really need is something like the bounce that New Orleans got from the Saints.

Redistribute wealth??  Lets stick to the Jags victory here... 

A new topic might be... The Weavers Inefficient Wealth Distribution Machine.

OK, let's put it this way.  If you borrow my car you should help pay for the gas.

Perhaps... but I will pick where I fill up...

Meanwhile... back to the jags v ravens...

As long as it's not Gate. 

[Dashing Dan]

Pretty sure I bought my ticket to the Jags game so that I could go to watch a Jags game. Not really expecting anything else for my money.

But I didn't go to the game and the Jags are still costing me.  If you're having fun with my money, what do I get out of it?

[tufsu1]

Pretty sure I bought my ticket to the Jags game so that I could go to watch a Jags game. Not really expecting anything else for my money.

But I didn't go to the game and the Jags are still costing me.  If you're having fun with my money, what do I get out of it?

I would argue that the Jags have brought money to the community...so if you're not supporting them, should you take advantage of the ancillary benefits of having an NFL team?

[Dashing Dan]

such as ?

[duvaldude08]

Honestly DD Let the Jags leave town, then you will see what the benefits are. At the end of the day, the Jags are this cities identity and is responsible for alot of the growth that taking the place the 16 years. Just having a NFL team is a benefit in its self and sets you apart from the rest of the country. That alone is enough for me. I am a season ticket holder. Thats why Im a fan. I go to games and support. Im not looking them to anything for me except play ball.

[tufsu1]

such as ?

fine..here's one example

how much money do you think the Super Bowl brought into this community...and do you think we'd have the Adams Mark/Hyatt hotel without it?

[duvaldude08]

such as ?

fine..here's one example

how much money do you think the Super Bowl brought into this community...and do you think we'd have the Adams Mark/Hyatt hotel without it?

+100

[ProjectMaximus]

Pretty sure I bought my ticket to the Jags game so that I could go to watch a Jags game. Not really expecting anything else for my money.

But I didn't go to the game and the Jags are still costing me.  If you're having fun with my money, what do I get out of it?

I get what you're saying and I know we could go in circles on this (as tufsu is doing) Hard to prove that having the Hyatt is good for the city if it can only sustain itself through city subsidies and an organization like the Jags.

But can you tell me what the Saints did that you'd like to see the Jags do more of? That would probably be a better starting point for this discussion.

[Dashing Dan]

But can you tell me what the Saints did that you'd like to see the Jags do more of? That would probably be a better starting point for this discussion.

In the year or two after Katrina, the Saints were generally seen as an expense that New Orleans couldn't afford anymore.   Attendance was down and there was talk about moving the team to another city.

But once they got into the Super Bowl etc, the Saints became a rallying point for the city - a way for everyone to come together, leave the past behind and celebrate a new beginning.

We could use a little of that same spirit here.  Maybe the Jags could help us to get it.

[Dashing Dan]

do you think we'd have the Adams Mark/Hyatt hotel without it?

yes

[Captain Zissou]

But can you tell me what the Saints did that you'd like to see the Jags do more of? That would probably be a better starting point for this discussion.

In the year or two after Katrina, the Saints were generally seen as an expense that New Orleans couldn't afford anymore.   Attendance was down and there was talk about moving the team to another city.

But once they got into the Super Bowl etc, the Saints became a rallying point for the city - a way for everyone to come together, leave the past behind and celebrate a new beginning.

We could use a little of that same spirit here.  Maybe the Jags could help us to get it.

So all you really want is for the Jags to win the Superbowl??  Me too, buddy.  me too.

However, that does nothing to support your point that the Weavers are doing less for this city than the equivalent party (the owner) from the Saints. 

The owner had little to do with the civic pride that came from winning the Superbowl.  I think Drew Brees had more to do with that.  he moved into a historic district and restored a beautiful house and totally ingrained himself in his community.  If Gabbert did the same, I'd be a fan.

[Dashing Dan]

So all you really want is for the Jags to win the Superbowl??  Me too, buddy.  me too.

However, that does nothing to support your point that the Weavers are doing less for this city than the equivalent party (the owner) from the Saints. 

1-If it takes a Super Bowl win for us to get a lift from the Jags, then this city's investment in the Jags cannot be justified.  My ambitions for the Jags are more modest than that.  I was just using the Saints as an example of what a professional team might be able to do for its host city.  The Cubs are losers and they still do a lot for Chicago.

2-I don't recall making any point about the Weavers doing more or less for this city the owner from the Saints.