Jacksonville Landing Says Garage Not Enough

[thelakelander]

Perhaps if it didn't have existing stores and restaurants consuming them.  Seriously though, what's wrong with the city just living up to its contractual obligation and moving on?  All the talk of wanting downtown revitalization is nothing more than hot air if we can't even handle providing 375 dedicated parking spaces.

[tufsu1]

Perhaps if it didn't have existing stores and restaurants consuming them.  Seriously though, what's wrong with the city just living up to its contractual obligation and moving on?  All the talk of wanting downtown revitalization is nothing more than hot air if we can't even handle providing 375 dedicated parking spaces.

please...nobody is consuming those spaces....the Landing is half empty...and the parking lot is even more.

also, right now the City isn't in violation of its contractural obligation....the current agreement requires the City to pay Sleiman Enterprises $3.5 million when they construct additional parking for the Landing....any chage to that deal requires both parties to agree.

[thelakelander]

^Read Field's comments on the contractual obligation a few pages back.  Also, if you think you're going to have a successful 125,000sf entertainment/retail complex with only 200 dedicated spaces in Jacksonville, you're in trouble.  There was a reason the deal to bring the Landing to Jacksonville had more than 200 dedicated spaces.  If it were Landmar (when they were around), Simon or Ben Carter, half the people complaining would be as silent as mice on this parking thing.  COJ should provide the dedicated spaces and move on.  That would be in everyone's best interest, especially downtown's.  It's also the most fiscal responsible solution.  Building a new garage without dedicated parking is crazy.

[Tacachale]

^It's hard to fault Peyton for vetoing the last iteration of the deal. That was just bad juju. And I don't know if it's such a bad idea for the city to want a garage rather than a surface lot if they're going to be giving Sleiman that much money. Figuring it out and moving on is optimal right up to the point that it requires signing off on a bad deal with taxpayer money.

[thelakelander]

^I don't fault Peyton for vetoing the last bill, once the extra $1.9 million or whatever it was, was thrown into the deal.  However, I do fault the JEDC for not being able to look at this entire thing and downtown in general at a holistic level.  I also fault them by not properly addressing this situation and moving on, over a two term period. 

[manasia]

Thank you all for the posts, I understand the issue alot better since reading about here on MetroJax.

No disrespect to the Times-Union, but they really gave no clarity at all on this issue.

[fsujax]

^^They never do!

[fsujax]

Meanwhile the grand opening of the River City Gourmet was held. I heard it mentioned on WOKV this morning and they referenced the proposed parking garage in the story.

http://photos.jacksonville.com/mycapture/category.asp?eventID=1322884&CategoryID=10519

[manasia]

Meanwhile the grand opening of the River City Gourmet was held. I heard it mentioned on WOKV this morning and they referenced the proposed parking garage in the story.

http://photos.jacksonville.com/mycapture/category.asp?eventID=1322884&CategoryID=10519

Yea FSUjax, I saw them last night, when I was making cookie run at Coastal.

Honestly, Coastal Cookies is the place I frequent the most in the landing. I did buy a Gator Teeshirt from the sports place last week however.

[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

Honestly, Coastal Cookies is the place I frequent the most in the landing.

Maybe you should stop in at Hooters and let TUFSU1 show you around.   

[tufsu1]

remember, manasia had that opportunity once before

[ChriswUfGator]

remember, manasia had that opportunity once before

Personally, I'm holding out for my Wiatt-guided tour of Winn-Dixie dining. Maybe he can score us the chef's table?

[finehoe]

With no dedicated parking, will anyone go?

Please also refer to the article that First Guaranty Bank is granting access to their parking lot for the event.

Ah, but access and availability isn't the same thing as having dedicated spaces.

But thank you for making my point that having access to available parking spots can serve the same purpose as having dedicated spots.

[thelakelander]

^Not in terms of getting corporate entities to sign contracts at locations that don't meet their site selection requirements.  Come to think of it, even Baltimore's Harborplace and Gallery has a garage with 1200 spaces. 

[fieldafm]

With no dedicated parking, will anyone go?

Please also refer to the article that First Guaranty Bank is granting access to their parking lot for the event.

Ah, but access and availability isn't the same thing as having dedicated spaces.

But thank you for making my point that having access to available parking spots can serve the same purpose as having dedicated spots.

No they don't.. and you're trying to argue this point with two people that make a living doing this. 

^Not in terms of getting corporate entities to sign contracts at locations that don't meet their site selection requirements.  Come to think of it, even Baltimore's Harborplace and Gallery has a garage with 1200 spaces. 

Why go as far as Baltimore... Channelside has 1825 dedicated parking spaces AND a trolley.