Fact check on Obama's claims (Jobs Speech Yesterday)

[buckethead]

A hack piece you read with prejudice. Keep voting Bilderberger and you'll keep getting it.

[Tacachale]

Well, actually it's a number of pieces from different sources with different leanings, as well as his own writings. But whatever floats your boat, I suppose.

[BridgeTroll]

Thank you for those posting the links regarding Pauls alleged racism.  IMHO... the evidence is hardly compelling... but I can see where people could come to that conclusion.  The fact that he is virtually unelectable makes the point moot.  We will have to select among the current crop of "electable" bozos...

[buckethead]

I think you guys are "misunderestimating" Ron Paul.

He has won every debate.... hands down, and he also won the Iowa straw poll except for Bachmann busing in shills.

The press is in fact ignoring him (as the good little puppets they are) but the electorate is not.

Don't be too surprised if the republican party rank and file sheds it's neocon snakeskin and rejects the Military-Industrial Complex and Oligarch rule of Bankers.

I know quite a few Liberals and Democrats who feel the same as me; End Wars + Demote the Oligarchy then we can have an honest debate about the proper role of government.

Again, I'll take Bernie Sanders as President to achieve the same goals.

We are not in a race for Ideology this time. We are in a race to save our nation and it's middle class. There is no Ideology.

Bush is Obama is Reagan is Clinton. Obama was given to us to quell the masses. How do you feel that's working?

[civil42806]

I think you guys are "misunderestimating" Ron Paul.

He has won every debate.... hands down, and he also won the Iowa straw poll except for Bachmann busing in shills.

The press is in fact ignoring him (as the good little puppets they are) but the electorate is not.

Don't be too surprised if the republican party rank and file sheds it's neocon snakeskin and rejects the Military-Industrial Complex and Oligarch rule of Bankers.

I know quite a few Liberals and Democrats who feel the same as me; End Wars + Demote the Oligarchy then we can have an honest debate about the proper role of government.

Again, I'll take Bernie Sanders as President to achieve the same goals.

We are not in a race for Ideology this time. We are in a race to save our nation and it's middle class. There is no Ideology.

Bush is Obama is Reagan is Clinton. Obama was given to us to quell the masses. How do you feel that's working?

Always get a kick out of the Ron Paul supporters, He always wins the debates!  He always wins the internet Polls!! Shame he never wins the primaries

[buckethead]

Actually, the Iowa Straw poll was not internet based.

When you keep doing what you've always done....



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[Ajax]

Thank you for those posting the links regarding Pauls alleged racism.  IMHO... the evidence is hardly compelling... but I can see where people could come to that conclusion.  The fact that he is virtually unelectable makes the point moot.  We will have to select among the current crop of "electable" bozos...

It's too bad the word 'racism' has lost its meaning.  Any time I hear someone accusing someone of being a racist, I put on my critical thinking cap and my bullshit decoder ring and go on about my business. 

[BridgeTroll]

Thank you for those posting the links regarding Pauls alleged racism.  IMHO... the evidence is hardly compelling... but I can see where people could come to that conclusion.  The fact that he is virtually unelectable makes the point moot.  We will have to select among the current crop of "electable" bozos...

It's too bad the word 'racism' has lost its meaning.  Any time I hear someone accusing someone of being a racist, I put on my critical thinking cap and my bullshit decoder ring and go on about my business. 

Perhaps the term is tossed about too often...

[JeffreyS]

I think we are seeing an interesting dynamic where most of the country has moved away from it's racist past. Then we see maybe more evidence of racism from those who haven't let go being inspired by 9-11 and a black President.  All in all a positive move forward but that move has activated those opposed to the move.  Just an opinion.

[Tacachale]

Oh, I didn't say that Paul was racist. In fact I doubt that he is in the real definition of the term. But these remain some truly insensitive and unproductive things to say. It takes someone gravely clueless to say things like this, and to continue saying them over the entire span of his career, and to consistently act surprised when people call him out on it. This cluelessness on racial and related issues is one of the reasons he's unelectable as president.

[manasia]

I think we are seeing an interesting dynamic where most of the country has moved away from it's racist past. Then we see maybe more evidence of racism from those who haven't let go being inspired by 9-11 and a black President.  All in all a positive move forward but that move has activated those opposed to the move.  Just an opinion.

I guess we stay in two different America's, because I do not see this country moving away from Racism anytime soon.

Racism is entrenched in this country, it is going to take more than 9-11 and a black president to get the country to move away from it in my opinion.

[Ajax]

I think we are seeing an interesting dynamic where most of the country has moved away from it's racist past. Then we see maybe more evidence of racism from those who haven't let go being inspired by 9-11 and a black President.  All in all a positive move forward but that move has activated those opposed to the move.  Just an opinion.

I guess we stay in two different America's, because I do not see this country moving away from Racism anytime soon.

Racism is entrenched in this country, it is going to take more than 9-11 and a black president to get the country to move away from it in my opinion.

Do you think the Obama presidency has been good for blacks in this country? 

[manasia]

I think we are seeing an interesting dynamic where most of the country has moved away from it's racist past. Then we see maybe more evidence of racism from those who haven't let go being inspired by 9-11 and a black President.  All in all a positive move forward but that move has activated those opposed to the move.  Just an opinion.

I guess we stay in two different America's, because I do not see this country moving away from Racism anytime soon.

Racism is entrenched in this country, it is going to take more than 9-11 and a black president to get the country to move away from it in my opinion.

Do you think the Obama presidency has been good for blacks in this country?

The Obama presidency has yielded more results, for the sanity of White America that it for African Americans.

However, a president has to lead a nation not a group of people. One thing I do not squabble in, is what is Barack doing for us as a people, he has to lead us all not just African-Americans.

If their was a female president, Asian, or any other race in office, black people would still have the problems we face now in my opinion.

[Ajax]

However, a president has to lead a nation not a group of people. One thing I do not squabble in, is what is Barack doing for us as a people, he has to lead us all not just African-Americans.

If their was a female president, Asian, or any other race in office, black people would still have the problems we face now in my opinion.

Thanks - I guess that's the best way to look at it.  I didn't vote for Obama, but for a brief moment after he won there was a part of me that sort of felt like "I'm proud of my country for electing a black President - whoo, thank God that racism stuff is behind us now."  But that moment was very brief. 

[JeffreyS]

Racism is not behind us but I believe you are not seeing the big picture if you do not think we are making progress.  I believe some of the racists have been coming out into view as a result of some of the progress we have made.