Can this happen? can we stop it?

[buckethead]

Methinks you are reading more into my post than exists.

I do not see it as an employers responsibility to provide health insurance for an employee.

I do not see it as just to demand a welfare recipient to be forced to work. There would be cases where a welfare recipient is able bodied and of sound mind, therefore disqualified from being a welfare recipient to at least some degree.

I find it odd that so many who dispise the Health Insurance Industry wish to see it forced upon the public at large through mandated employer provided coverage.

[ChriswUfGator]

Methinks you are reading more into my post than exists.

I do not see it as an employers responsibility to provide health insurance for an employee.

I do not see it as just to demand a welfare recipient to be forced to work. There would be cases where a welfare recipient is able bodied and of sound mind, therefore disqualified from being a welfare recipient to at least some degree.

I find it odd that so many who dispise the Health Insurance Industry wish to see it forced upon the public at large through mandated employer provided coverage.

Actually I'd personally like to see a nationalized single-payer system, but since I don't think that's going to happen, the next best thing is mandatory coverage. Healthcare has turned into a lottery jackpot for providers when someone gets sick, the profits are outrageous. There is no way to control costs, where the same companies with the greatest lobbying clout in congress are the ones making money. But yeah, I am in favor of completely nationalized single-payer healthcare in the US. If you compare us to almost any developed country with a single-payer system, US healthcare is woefully behind.

[buckethead]

We will see a nationalized single payer health care delivery system. I am convinced there is no viable alternative. We should see a constitutional amendment allowing prior to it's creation, but that we won't see.

[ChriswUfGator]

We will see a nationalized single payer health care delivery system. I am convinced there is no viable alternative. We should see a constitutional amendment allowing prior to it's creation, but that we won't see.

We agree more than I thought.

[BridgeTroll]

We will see a nationalized single payer health care delivery system. I am convinced there is no viable alternative. We should see a constitutional amendment allowing prior to it's creation, but that we won't see.

We agree more than I thought.

I have been advocating a constitutional amendment process for this idea for a long time.  The question has always been... Is it constitutional?  Proponents and detractors could make their case.  I cannot say if I would support it or not but it would be a SINGLE national issue that could be debated on the national, state, and local levels.  All the cards would be on the table and the issue would not be a personality contest or a rep vs dem contest.  Proposals for how it would work or not work could be debated without the pressure of a presidency or congressional seats at stake.

[Dog Walker]

Our current system for paying for healthcare is no longer working.  That is beyond debate.  Discussions of what should replace it, the success/failure of other models in other countries is a worthwhile one as long as pragmatism/workability, not ideology/religion is the controlling factor in the conversation.

[mtraininjax]

We will see a nationalized single payer health care delivery system. I am convinced there is no viable alternative.

No way, the idiots in DC cannot agree on the color of the sky, much less with any topic. The egos are as large as some on this board. What we will see is more regulated and managed care with more audits of procedures, we are seeing more Medicare Fraud reigned in, and it will not stop with the fraud, we will see a larger government bureaucracy in managing and auditing procedures, their viability weighed against cost, and a tighter system, but no way we see a nationalized single payer system.

[hillary supporter]

We will see a nationalized single payer health care delivery system. I am convinced there is no viable alternative.

No way, the idiots in DC cannot agree on the color of the sky, much less with any topic. The egos are as large as some on this board. What we will see is more regulated and managed care with more audits of procedures, we are seeing more Medicare Fraud reigned in, and it will not stop with the fraud, we will see a larger government bureaucracy in managing and auditing procedures, their viability weighed against cost, and a tighter system, but no way we see a nationalized single payer system.

Thats very possible. A paradox to total republican rejection of healthcare reform is (was) significant democratic opposition.
Many democrats thought the program didnt go far enought ( a bandaid for an open wound). And a lot of them still voted in support. That could, actually after 2010 HAS, changed.

[buckethead]

Healthcare costs continue to grow in proportion to GDP. It is an unsustainable beast, (like "defense" spending) that will stop, one way or another. I would have preferred a "free market" solution, but that ship sailed long ago. (Ironically, in the name of free markets)

Single payer is not a panacea. There will be plenty of disappointment to be shared with this system, but the current level of plunder will not continue because the camels back can only withstand a limited amount of straws.

The Medical profession, health insurance profession, legal profession and their ancillaries relating to health care contain fine, hard working, deserving professionals. Each also contain their own dirtbags who game the system. (The system is Fee for Service, btw. Pay for procedures, what do you get more of? That's right! Procedures!)

Let's not forget the beneficiaries who game the system as well.

This thing is so out of control, I just don't see it being reigned in. It will have to be taken over.