Jags released David Garrard

copperfiend · September 07, 2011, 02:31:29 PM

Vincent Jackson was out most of the season but Rivers did had a terrific year throwing to average receivers.

Non-RedNeck Westsider · September 07, 2011, 02:55:38 PM

Just because I like the way numbers work, CF, I did this for you (and for teams without great WRs I think it would be the same)

Last year the top ten Recievers for Philip Rivers were 4 RBs, 2 TEs and 4 WRs accounting for 307 catches for 3890 yds. Out of all of this, the WR's only accounted for 35% of the receptions and 47% of the yardage. Their Y/R were 16.7 for the WRs and 10.5 for the RB/TEs.

Assuming that most passes to WRs were already 8-10 yds down the field and most of the other passes were in the 2-5 yd range - I'd say he gets by with an exceptional YaC Average from his backfield and TEs.

I guess in summary, he's not throwing to average receivers as often as he's throwing to a great backfield and an exceptional tight end.

Which is the same thing that I expect from our team.

Non-RedNeck Westsider · September 07, 2011, 02:59:20 PM

My other point being how many SBs does Philip Rivers have? About the same amount as Garrard. The only difference being that the Sportswriters like the weather in SD more than Jax.

It doesn't take a GREAT QB to dump the ball off to running backs all day.

Keith-N-Jax · September 07, 2011, 05:47:15 PM

^^^ Exactly, people always like to bring up the 07 season, but 07 was about the running game which DG benefitted from. Jags need a QB who can read the entire field and the defense. Chapter 1 complete and now Chapter 2 get rid of Del Rio.Good luck DG you gave us some fun moments along with heartbreak. Luke , may the force be with you.

comncense · September 07, 2011, 09:43:26 PM

You also can't forget the SD also has one of the fastest and most athletic TE's in the game. Antonio Gates always puts up Pro Bowl numbers. But I'm not here to hype the Chargers, my point is the Jaguars can't just ignore the WR position and think things will be ok. The best years of the Jaguars were when we had a good defense and on offense we had Brunnell, Jimmy Smith, McCardell, and Fred Taylor and the other various good RB's we had (Natrone Means, James Stewart...). The Jaguars had VERY good players back in the Tom Coughlin Era. People that you can easily name even today without thinking too hard about it. I bet few people on here can name people that were on the roster since JDR has been here.

As far as getting rid of JDR... Who would you think the Jaguars can get that would be better AND that Mr. Weaver would be willing to pay what they are more than likely going to ask for in salary? Most of the top level coaches that are available aren't going to want to come here and have no power in the draft room for sure.

duvaldude08 · September 07, 2011, 11:06:30 PM

Quote from: Keith-N-Jax on September 07, 2011, 05:47:15 PM
^^^ Exactly, people always like to bring up the 07 season, but 07 was about the running game which DG benefitted from. Jags need a QB who can read the entire field and the defense. Chapter 1 complete and now Chapter 2 get rid of Del Rio.Good luck DG you gave us some fun moments along with heartbreak. Luke , may the force be with you.

BINGO!! Keith we dont agree much, but you hit the nail on the head. Freddie T and Mo-Jo were the reason were we got so far in 2007. It had nothing to do with the QB or WR's. Its time to address the QB issue, and we have done that with Blaine and saying goodbye to Garrad. We will never make it back to the playoffs being a one dimensional team. The Jags of the 90's had the passing and running game.

I-10east · September 07, 2011, 11:15:46 PM

^^^I agree, I don't agree with Keith all that much either, but he was dead on point. In 08' other teams made the adjustments against the limited Garrard, thus exposing us; Like defenses putting eight in the box to stop the run, making Garrard try to beat them with his arm.

duvaldude08 · September 07, 2011, 11:28:56 PM

Quote from: I-10east on September 07, 2011, 11:15:46 PM
^^^I agree, I don't agree with Keith all that much either, but he was dead on point. In 08' other teams made the adjustments against the limited Garrard, thus exposing us; Like defenses putting eight in the box to stop the run, making Garrard try to beat them with his arm.

I'm not tripping about Luke starting. He's only gonna be the starter temporarily. Gabbert will be ready by next season, then its on! The Jags are experiencing something ever other team in the NFL. Changes, transitions, etc. Even the elite teams in the NFL were losing team at one point in their history. When you are a true fan, you take the good with the bad, suck it up and support the team.

NavyGuyAN · September 08, 2011, 05:19:22 AM

Garrard needed to go. I'm surprised they did do it sooner as well...we need a QB that can throw the ball. Garrard was the type of QB that seemed to like to run the ball with not much passing and I think this is wut's been hurting the Jags; Great on the defense though...Hope fully the new QB will do better this season. But I'm going to doubt this season.

comncense · September 08, 2011, 10:04:03 AM

It should be an interesting season. I say Gabbert starts sometime before the Bye week. Luke McCown can't be the long term answer. Give Gabbert half the season to learn the playbook and some time with the number 1's in practice and give him a chance.

Jason · September 08, 2011, 12:04:08 PM

^ Bingo. I would be highly suprised if McCown starts the entire season.

duvaldude08 · September 08, 2011, 12:17:52 PM

^^Yeah Luke is just a temporary place holder for Gabbert. Mckown=now, Gabbert=future

Non-RedNeck Westsider · September 08, 2011, 12:52:48 PM

The guy is 30 (McCown) but has been on the bench his entire career. I don't know what's been holding him back, maybe in a way he IS Garrard from 4 years ago.

I'm throwing out '04, his rookie year on a bad Browns team. What follows are his stat lines from the 3 games he started in TB while Jeff Garcia was hurt. They went to the playoff that year.

cmp att yds td int lng rsh yds td lng
29 37 313 2 1 60 2 34 0 26 - New Orleans (7-9)
25 38 266 0 0 31 2 10 0 10 - Houston (8-8)
21 28 236 2 1 52 5 47 0 31 - Carolina (7-9)
75 103 815 4 2 72.8% 9 121 0 13.4y/r

I don't know about you guys, but these don't look like stats that scare me away. Granted they weren't against powerhouse teams, but TB wasn't that good that year and lost in the first round of the playoffs. The other item of note are the WRs that McCown had to throw to - not exactly Keyshawn and Mike Williams - if you know what I mean.

Bridges · September 08, 2011, 01:38:01 PM

Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on September 08, 2011, 12:52:48 PM
The guy is 30 (McCown) but has been on the bench his entire career. I don't know what's been holding him back,

Injuries. Has a history of them. Unfortunately he'll be trotting out behind a line that hasn't looked too sharp in pass protection.

duvaldude08 · September 08, 2011, 02:43:32 PM

He's only our starter temporarily. So lets not have a cow about this. We know Luke is not going to take us to the promise land. Gabbart just isnt ready yet. I will be satisfied with 10-6 this year given our situation. If we luck up and get 11-5 and sneak in the wild card round, thats kool too.