Jacksonville mayor comes out against new toll road

[tufsu1]

wait...I figured it out....maybe some landowners donated land

[Dashing Dan]

wait...I figured it out....maybe some landowners donated land

[dougskiles]

I think the donation was more in the way of votes...

[Dashing Dan]

wait...I figured it out....maybe some landowners donated land

What does this mean?  I have no idea.

[tufsu1]

land is part of the cost...if they donated land for free, then there is the private end of the partnership.

of course, that doesn't factor in the likely increase in value or marketability of the remainder of the land once the road is built

[Dashing Dan]

Are you deliberately missing the point here? 

As long as nobody wants to privately finance this toll road, then it can't be called a public private partnership in any commonly used sense of that term. 

The mayor is not saying that he is opposed to toll roads, only that if there is no private partner then this road shouldn't be tolled.  FDOT is trying to change the rules in order to keep the game going, and the mayor is calling them out on that ploy.

[tufsu1]

As long as nobody wants to privately finance this toll road, then it can't be called a public private partnership in any commonly used sense of that term. 

sure it can....if the total cost of building the road (including ROW) is say $500 million....and the land (valued at $200 million) is donated by private interests, then that would qualify as a funding partnership.

and please don't interpret this as my endorsement of the project

[Dashing Dan]

My opinion about the status of this project is not necessarily the same as my opinion about its value.

But surely you can't be serious in suggesting that a right of way donation is a type of public private partnership.

[tufsu1]

Indeed that would be a form of public-private partnership.

[Gators312]

Saratoga Springs.  Reinhold.  Old Clay County Boosters. Kopeleousus' 177k plus car plus plus plus.....gonna bring the boondoggle home for the good ol' boys.....

It's coming folks, and in my lifetime.

[Dashing Dan]

Indeed that would be a form of public-private partnership.

You're undermining everything else that you've put into this thread.

[dougskiles]

Are there enough voices in opposition to create an organized effort?  Similar to the one that north miami posted from Colorado?

www.gothebetterway.org/Home.html

Or do we resign ourselves to arguing about the definition of Public Private Partnership (which I believe to be an almost useless phrase now)?

[Dashing Dan]

It's coming folks, and in my lifetime.

not in mine

[Dashing Dan]

Are there enough voices in opposition to create an organized effort?  Similar to the one that north miami posted from Colorado?

www.gothebetterway.org/Home.html

It's still hard for me to take this project seriously.

[tufsu1]

Indeed that would be a form of public-private partnership.

You're undermining everything else that you've put into this thread.

not really....there are many reasons I don't like this project...and I don't know specifically whether any land was donated or not for it...I was only speaking hypothetically.

But lets look at this in a different (more positive) light....suppose CSX donated land for additional tracks necessary for commuter rail (clearly this also benefits their freight operations)....would commuter rail implementation then qualify as a public-private partnership?