Obama is Renewing the American Sense of Identity. Unbelievable to Watch

[Ocklawaha]

In my never-to-be-humble old hippie opinion...

Obama: is childlike, cute but no cigar. Same old Shit..."Don't shoot at us and we won't shoot at you...SWAK". Try that line on Hitler, or Tojo and see what it would have got us... Out of touch, while playing the touch-ch, touch-ch, Touch Me line. Shades of the Rock Opra Tommy and guess who the Deaf, DUMB and blind kid is?

Hillary: Something out of the early days of the New Testament. EVIL, if she ever REALLY went into a good church I think 20,000 pigs would run out the door and plunge over a cliff. This woman isn't done, don't count her out, down or finished...She could be the savior, but then I could be the Anti-Christ (NOT!)

McCain: This man never saw a transit or rail project he didn't want to kill. He is public enemy number one in a day when we need alternate mobility. Out of touch? Hell, he's living in 1950 and it's Henry Fords House! I couldn't even hold my nose and vote for this guy. Beyond that, he'll be another Republican that focuses all of our attention on "over-there" and not a dime a home. I'm sick of these guys. What ever happened to walk softly and carry a big stick?

In this world of clubbing eachother with our big sticks and walking very loud with chest out puffing ourselfs up like a blowfish, I long for the days when farming, apple pie, steel workers, dock workers, baseball and fine passenger trains were a way of life. When bobbie sox and short skirts were the sin of the century. Hell, I'm either going to skip this one which really turns my guts, or write in a protest vote for the little wooden puppet "Walter" (google: Jeff Dunham / Walter on Youtube). He makes more sense then these 3 fools.

Ocklawaha

[Downtown Dweller]

So OCK are you not voting?

I agree with a lot of what you posted, but still feel I MUST vote for someone 

[thelakelander]

So OCK are you not voting?

I agree with a lot of what you posted, but still feel I MUST vote for someone 

I'm in the same boat.

[JeffreyS]

You know I always vote republican.  I have a two year old son and wonder what if Reagan and the Bush's had been fiscally conservative.  Fiscally conservative in practice not just theory.  What if they had said the cold war is important but I should only spend the money I have(not raid social security). What if they had said Saddam is a bad guy but we have interests here at home and we need to get Osama.  Clinton stuck it to the American worker with NAFTA and China so the Dems aren't innocent. 

I do not know if Obama will be a different kind of politician.  McCain has been fiscally conservative though his career so he should join a party that reflects that. He lost me yesterday when talking about Cuba he said our policy will be the same old same old honestly I need a president who is smart enough to know you can't preach more of the same right now.

The Democrats haven't earned anything but the Republicans have gotten themselves fired. If you feel like Bush is your employee what else can we do?  Spend, Spend, spend and only giant corporations benefit.  I know the Dems will spend spend spend now that it is their turn but maybe they will spend it on infrastructure(ours not Iraq's), health care not just health care insurer's and so on.  I am saying if there are not fiscally conservative politicians I will take the ones who spend on the people and the corporations not just the corporations.

[Johnny]

You know I always vote republican.  I have a two year old son and wonder what if Reagan and the Bush's had been fiscally conservative.  Fiscally conservative in practice not just theory.  What if they had said the cold war is important but I should only spend the money I have(not raid social security). What if they had said Saddam is a bad guy but we have interests here at home and we need to get Osama.  Clinton stuck it to the American worker with NAFTA and China so the Dems aren't innocent. 

I do not know if Obama will be a different kind of politician.  McCain has been fiscally conservative though his career so he should join a party that reflects that. He lost me yesterday when talking about Cuba he said our policy will be the same old same old honestly I need a president who is smart enough to know you can't preach more of the same right now.

The Democrats haven't earned anything but the Republicans have gotten themselves fired. If you feel like Bush is your employee what else can we do?  Spend, Spend, spend and only giant corporations benefit.  I know the Dems will spend spend spend now that it is their turn but maybe they will spend it on infrastructure(ours not Iraq's), health care not just health care insurer's and so on.  I am saying if there are not fiscally conservative politicians I will take the ones who spend on the people and the corporations not just the corporations.

As Downtown Dweller already noted, this is something that impresses me with McCain...

"John McCain Proposes A One-Year Spending Pause To Evaluate Programs. He believes that outside of essential military and veterans programs there should be a one-year pause in discretionary spending growth that should be used for a top-to-bottom review of the effectiveness of federal programs."

[Driven1]

that is cool - the spending pause proposed by McCain.

[Downtown Dweller]

This is just twisting the plan. A spending pause has nothing to do with making payments on debt. This means we don't fund any of the social and prok belly programs out there for a whole year until we determine how well they operate/work. This happens in the coporate world all the time, why throw good money after bad. If we are expected to be fiscally responsible individuals (and with all the price hikes and taxes we are being forced to be fiscally responsible) then the federal govt better be fiscally responsible too!

Who knows if we actually did this, we may find some money being totally wasted we could use to fund some of those great programs Obama listed in his platform without having to raise taxes, or at a minimum pay off our debt without killing middleclass families.

[Downtown Dweller]

I agree it should be looked at, there is tons of waste (the human lives being at the top of the list), that being said war is not something you just say "oops this is costing too much money let's go home". I believe all the candidates are looking for a way out of Iraq; some are just being more realistic and upfront about what that means.

[Ocklawaha]

I agree it should be looked at, there is tons of waste (the human lives being at the top of the list), that being said war is not something you just say "oops this is costing too much money let's go home". I believe all the candidates are looking for a way out of Iraq; some are just being more realistic and upfront about what that means.

Well said, same old crap different era. In a recent reunion one of the top North Vietnam Generals and his American counterpart got into a discussion about power and the war. The American told him we so over came their forces, wiped them out in Tet and carried the war to his doorstep with one hand tied. The wise old Communist smiled and said, "Shit, it didn't mean a thing when you packed up and ran, we won!"

Those who fail to learn from history are fools... Let's see what would I do if we bugged from the mideast and I were king of some grand Moslem radical force? Nuke Israel? Gas all the Jews and their supporters? Sink a few US ships as they left the Gulf as a good bye gift? Send a tanker into Jax and blow the whole place to hell? How about New York? Charleston? Norfolk? Houston? Miami? Hey maybe even conceal jump jets (Russian Made of course) in a big cargo ship, one coming to "feed the children" then open the doors and let hell out on millions before the military could respond. Devine Wind My A--! We are dealing with the same demons that drove the Final Solution and we rank with the Jews in this one.

Obama, Hillary and McCain and the rest of you pointed headed nut cases, if we'd had your brand of "Leadership" in 1776, we'd all be singing "God Save the Queen" before the Jags. Games.

Ocklawaha

[Charleston native]

...I know the Dems will spend spend spend now that it is their turn but maybe they will spend it on infrastructure(ours not Iraq's), health care not just health care insurer's and so on...

I'm sorry, but as someone with a masters in health administration, I find this statement very ignorant. Do you honestly believe that more government control on health care will make it better?

Obama and Clinton have both made it clear that they want to meddle with health care, and in reality, Democrats have already done enough with HMOs. Some of you may not know this, but Ted Kennedy was the one who proposed a bill to create HMOs. You can thank him and his party for the reason why health care prices continues to escalate.

[Ocklawaha]

What did we win a damn thing in Vietnam? We didn't. But 1/2 blind did I use a coma or period? I said the American was answered...

The wise old Communist smiled and said, "Shit, it didn't mean a thing when you packed up and ran, we won!"

Had we "won", we would have retained a stong check on China's rampant military expansion toward "Free China", we would have stopped the lie in Washington that old "See the Dominoes didn't fall", Bull Shit! Lao's was a beautiful kingdom overrun with Communist purification...Don't forget the Killing Fields in Cambodia... Stopped cold with an American victory. Perhaps even the Moslem influences toward the Southeast would have been held in check with open mission work. Let's not forget the "silent majority" in South Vietnam that begged, swam and stole to escape the workers paradise that was marching their way. ALL OF THAT BLOOD IS ON THE HANDS OF UNCLE SAM! A lot of us Hippies didn't want a cowardly escape but just allow us the freedom to stay home or fight a damn war...not something in between!

Ocklawaha

[Downtown Dweller]

I think the point being: if we pull out and leave Iraq in the lurch the human lives lost and money already spent will be a total waste (as happened in Vietnam). That is not the legacy I want to leave the families of our soldiers, nor the American people. Do we need to get out of Iraq...well duhhhh; the real question is HOW we get out. I for one am not supportive of the tuck tail and run plan.

Recent changes in the way our military is running the war are showing HUGE improvements, especially as to stabilizing the govt there. The biggest issue (besides human live lost which is heartbreaking no matter what) with any of our recent wars is the meddling done by our politicians. War is supposed to be run by our generals, this would remove obstacles, untie the hands of the actual warriors, and ensure politicians are not making money in ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM over the loss of life. Unfortunately both sides of the aisle are profiteers, don’t be fooled!

Oh well what does this dumb Indian know about anything, we lost ALL our land and most of our lives, certainly our culture to "Americans".....

[Ocklawaha]

Reread my expanded post, sorry hit post too fast!

Ocklawaha

[thelakelander]

I think the point being: if we pull out and leave Iraq in the lurch the human lives lost and money already spent will be a total waste (as happened in Vietnam). That is not the legacy I want to leave the families of our soldiers, nor the American people. Do we need to get out of Iraq...well duhhhh; the real question is HOW we get out. I for one am not supportive of the tuck tail and run plan.

I don't think anyone has a tuck tail and run plan on the table.  I thought we declared victory in this war a few years back.  What are our ultimate intentions or goals for the future of Iraq?  

[Jimmy]

I don't think anyone has a tuck tail and run plan on the table.  I thought we declared victory in this war a few years back.  What are our ultimate intentions or goals for the future of Iraq?  

The only honest answer to that question is: the security of Israel and the containment of Iran.

I believe there are better ways of getting there than throwing away money and lives in Iraq...