JTA making progress on transportation center

[Coolyfett]

Just curious - what other cities have a successful "transportation center" design like that proposed for Jax? How long have they had it? Does it provide interlocking systems? Did new development spring up around it? What problems exist?
Or is this a MJ thread that I missed? 

I know Atlanta is trying to get a situation like this project. I think Philly may have an all in one terminal for Amtrak, greyhound & local rail.

[Coolyfett]

Its basically to streamline and finally fix our mass transit mess that we have now. Having good transit helps more than just downtown, its helps the entire city.

So how does it do that?  I ask this in all seriousness.  I don't see how it "fixes" much of anything.

It creates a long term transportation district, kinda like the airport, but for land vehicles. Put all the transit modes in the same place & open up the land in the city so other things can come there. Thats my take one

[Ocklawaha]

We're not Orlando, though if we'd of played our cards close to the chest, we 'might have been'.

OCKLAWAHA.....

I dislike Orlando.  In a few weeks I go down there for another  trade show. Did I say I dislike Orlando? I'd rather live here.

Sorry to hear that you dislike Orlando, I hate the place. They have mass transit concepts far crazier then the worst of JTA. They have bus and train stations planned like they flew out of Uncle 'Lijiah's Shotgun, and that beautiful airport? Just about the most inconvenient in the south. But because of the mouse, they get a pass on some of the dumbest things.


OCKLAWAHA

[tufsu1]

Just curious - what other cities have a successful "transportation center" design like that proposed for Jax? How long have they had it? Does it provide interlocking systems? Did new development spring up around it? What problems exist?
Or is this a MJ thread that I missed? 

I know Atlanta is trying to get a situation like this project. I think Philly may have an all in one terminal for Amtrak, greyhound & local rail.

nope...Amtrak and commuter rail go into 30th st station (with subway across the street) in Philly...commuter rail also goes into Market East (attached to convention center), with Greyhound across the street from that station

[ProjectMaximus]

Its basically to streamline and finally fix our mass transit mess that we have now. Having good transit helps more than just downtown, its helps the entire city.

So how does it do that?  I ask this in all seriousness.  I don't see how it "fixes" much of anything.

I don't see it as a "fix" at all, but it would be one of several necessary components to achieving a functional transit system. If we have city bus lines, streetcar, and commuter rail that are not duplicating each other, then they need to connect somewhere. Intercity bus, rail and air travel should be connected in some way as well, so it only makes sense to add them to the mix if convenient and feasible. Clearly the airport can't be moved downtown, but the rest can be with little difficulty. If we had our intracity transit all hubbed in the same spot downtown, I am certain that the intercity transportation companies would be eager to join the party.

[thelakelander]

Some interesting points raised by council members in opposition of the land swap:

But Bishop said the land transfer is a bad idea.

“None of this is funded,” Bishop said, referring to money that would build Greyhound the transportation center. “It’s always been a moving target.”

Crescimbeni said he didn’t think JTA would redevelop the area. He suspects that in 10 years, the Greyhound building and JTA offices will be built and nothing else.

The legislation allows the City to take back the land if nothing is built, but Crescimbeni predicted JTA would find a way to keep the land while doing little with it.

The current plan calls for retail shops to go in along with transportation offices, and Crescimbeni said JTA shouldn’t be in charge of that.

“I’m not interested in having JTA do economic development,” he said. “Let JEDC do that, or better yet, sell the land to a private developer.”

full article: http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2011-06-23/story/hurdles-remain-giving-city-land-around-prime-osborn-jta

[Dashing Dan]

Just curious - what other cities have a successful "transportation center" design like that proposed for Jax? How long have they had it? Does it provide interlocking systems? Did new development spring up around it? What problems exist?
Or is this a MJ thread that I missed? 

Here's a cautionary tale from Nashville. 

http://nashvillecitypaper.com/content/city-voices/commentary-clement-landport-s-investment-should-have-waited

Here's a quote from this article:

Today, most reports that describe the landport incorporate a repetitive array of words and phrases such as waste of money, ill-timed, misguided and pork barrel project. In recent years, these descriptions seem to be well justified, considering that this taxpayer-funded lot remains vacant.

But Nashville tried again, and it looks like they succeeded on their second try.

http://www.nashvillemta.org/musiccitycentral/

Compared to the Landport, Music City Central is more focused on local buses, and as the name indicates, it is more centrally located.

[jcjohnpaint]

So what is Bishop's concern?  Just curious.  Is this more of a Peyton issue or do these council members really have a reason to be against the land swap?  I feel like I am missing something here. 

[Wacca Pilatka]

Just curious - what other cities have a successful "transportation center" design like that proposed for Jax? How long have they had it? Does it provide interlocking systems? Did new development spring up around it? What problems exist?
Or is this a MJ thread that I missed? 

I know Atlanta is trying to get a situation like this project. I think Philly may have an all in one terminal for Amtrak, greyhound & local rail.

I am pretty sure you are right.  Harrisburg as well (minus the local rail part)

[iMarvin]

To anyone on the transportation transition team - Are you guys able to make reccomendations about things, specifically, the transportation center? If so, can you see if it's possible for a smaller, more compact transportation center?

[wsansewjs]

To anyone on the transportation transition team - Are you guys able to make reccomendations about things, specifically, the transportation center? If so, can you see if it's possible for a smaller, more compact transportation center?

TheLakeLander and Uncle Ockie are already on it, if I am correct.

-Josh

[iMarvin]

To anyone on the transportation transition team - Are you guys able to make reccomendations about things, specifically, the transportation center? If so, can you see if it's possible for a smaller, more compact transportation center?

TheLakeLander and Uncle Ockie are already on it, if I am correct.

-Josh

Good!

[JeffreyS]

Some interesting points raised by council members in opposition of the land swap:

But Bishop said the land transfer is a bad idea.

“None of this is funded,” Bishop said, referring to money that would build Greyhound the transportation center. “It’s always been a moving target.”

Crescimbeni said he didn’t think JTA would redevelop the area. He suspects that in 10 years, the Greyhound building and JTA offices will be built and nothing else.

The legislation allows the City to take back the land if nothing is built, but Crescimbeni predicted JTA would find a way to keep the land while doing little with it.

The current plan calls for retail shops to go in along with transportation offices, and Crescimbeni said JTA shouldn’t be in charge of that.

“I’m not interested in having JTA do economic development,” he said. “Let JEDC do that, or better yet, sell the land to a private developer.”

full article: http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2011-06-23/story/hurdles-remain-giving-city-land-around-prime-osborn-jta

On the radio the other day Mike Miller said they are going to develop the transit center into a retail village.  He said they were very happy with how the development went at kings ave.  I have to say the two hotels that went into that area are very nice.  Mr. Miller said they are also going to try and develop the adjacent area to the Rosa parks station again.

[thelakelander]

From what I've heard, the hotels are struggling.  They have a nice urban design but they are quite disconnected from the skyway, the Southbank and the rest of San Marco.  They would greatly benefit from an extension of the skyway to Atlantic Blvd., imo.

[Doctor_K]

From what I've heard, the hotels are struggling.  They have a nice urban design but they are quite disconnected from the skyway, the Southbank and the rest of San Marco.  They would greatly benefit from an extension of the skyway to Atlantic Blvd., imo.

+1

And better integrating Kings Ave Station, and that hotel with it.