Council Passes Mobility Plan Unanimously.

Started by TheCat, May 24, 2011, 07:25:11 PM

thelakelander

"A man who views the world the same at 50 as he did at 20 has wasted 30 years of his life." - Muhammad Ali

Dashing Dan

I strongly agree that Jacksonville has benefited from a broadening base of public participation over the past year or so.  

To make an extension of the skyway more likely, the existing skyway needs to work better, and more people need to be riding it.  

As a first step add more connections to existing bus routes.
They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.  - Benjamin Franklin

Doctor_K

Quote from: Dashing Dan on May 26, 2011, 10:05:17 AM
I strongly agree that Jacksonville has benefited from a broadening base of public participation over the past year or so.  

To make an extension of the skyway more likely, the existing skyway needs to work better, and more people need to be riding it.  

As a first step add more connections to existing bus routes.

I know this kind of ventures into speculation, but since some of the southeastern bus routes have been altered to terminate at the Kings Ave Station, would it be possible or viable to have all of them terminate there? 

I guess that's kind of predicated on whether Kings Ave becomes the official southern terminus of the Skyway and it is indeed not extended to San Marco, but still... 

Terminate bus routes at whatever the southern terminus of the Skyway ends up being:  Kings Ave, San Marco, or Jackson Square?

Doable or dumb?
"Imagination is more important than knowledge. For while knowledge defines all we currently know and understand, imagination points to all we might yet discover and create."  -- Albert Einstein

tufsu1

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Quote from: stephendare on May 26, 2011, 08:32:42 AM
Quote from: tufsu1 on May 26, 2011, 08:27:55 AM
Quote from: stephendare on May 26, 2011, 07:58:56 AM
But its only amongst a small handful of people.

maybe so, but some of them are in pretty powerful positions

Like who?

That can be changed, after all, you know.

without naming people, there are folks on the existing and future City Council who are strongly opposed to any more Skyway funding

thelakelander

Doctor K, I like it.  While there is an argument to keep a few crosstown routes running, it would seem like we would get more bang for our buck eliminating all routes at skyway terminal stops and converting the skyway into a free fare transit spine between all of them.  Skyway ridership would signficantly increase and overall bus operational cost and frequencies should decrease with the dreaded downtown loop officially eliminated.
"A man who views the world the same at 50 as he did at 20 has wasted 30 years of his life." - Muhammad Ali

Dashing Dan

Since I work well to the east of Hogan Street, it wouldn't help me if all of the buses turned back at the nearest skyway terminal.

For good downtown circulation there would also have to be much better service on the downtown trolleys, i.e. bring back the Laura Ocean Trolley, and make them all run much more often.
They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.  - Benjamin Franklin

thelakelander

Of course.  The simple solution (I've stated it in the past but didn't go in to detail on the previous post) is to include the faux trolleys to provide free shuttle service to areas of downtown not within close walking distance of the skyway.
"A man who views the world the same at 50 as he did at 20 has wasted 30 years of his life." - Muhammad Ali

Doctor_K

Quote from: thelakelander on May 26, 2011, 11:44:30 AM
Of course.  The simple solution (I've stated it in the past but didn't go in to detail on the previous post) is to include the faux trolleys to provide free shuttle service to areas of downtown not within close walking distance of the skyway.

Which would then naturally be augmented by the upcoming trolley-trolleys, yes?
"Imagination is more important than knowledge. For while knowledge defines all we currently know and understand, imagination points to all we might yet discover and create."  -- Albert Einstein

Dashing Dan

Yes but -

First let's set the stage for an extension of the skyway into San Marco.
They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.  - Benjamin Franklin

Ocklawaha

Quote from: Doctor_K on May 26, 2011, 10:48:13 AM
Quote from: Dashing Dan on May 26, 2011, 10:05:17 AM
I strongly agree that Jacksonville has benefited from a broadening base of public participation over the past year or so.  

To make an extension of the skyway more likely, the existing skyway needs to work better, and more people need to be riding it.  

As a first step add more connections to existing bus routes.

I know this kind of ventures into speculation, but since some of the southeastern bus routes have been altered to terminate at the Kings Ave Station, would it be possible or viable to have all of them terminate there? 

I guess that's kind of predicated on whether Kings Ave becomes the official southern terminus of the Skyway and it is indeed not extended to San Marco, but still... 

Terminate bus routes at whatever the southern terminus of the Skyway ends up being:  Kings Ave, San Marco, or Jackson Square?

Doable or dumb?


Here you go boys and girls, the Official Ocklawaha Concept Plan for the Skyway San Marco Multimodal Station.
...And yes, it's rough - I'm on a learn as you doodle program for this drawing stuff.


OCKLAWAHA