Only Televised Mayoral Debate Tonight

Started by thelakelander, April 25, 2011, 03:35:22 PM

tufsu1

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Quote from: mtraininjax on April 28, 2011, 01:42:29 PM
Who isn't underwater? You cannot fix 17% tax revenue base to 3% overnight. You won't do it over 4 years either. Meanwhile sacrificing the rest of the neighborhoods is not smart either.

The decline has happened over 50 years...and it may take 50 more to fix it...but we need to start doing it right now.

also, who said anything anout sacrificing other neighborhoods to support downtown?  I think every neighborhood is important....but we sure don't make it any easier by constantly building new neighborhoods on vacant land at the edge of the county.

vicupstate

QuoteRats leaving a sinking ship

When that's how you describe the core of your city, it's time for NEW leadership to 'right the ship'.  Brown has the potential to do just that. Hogan has shown zero acknowledgement, much less understanding, of the problem or how to solve it, after decades of public service. 



   
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danem

Quote from: tufsu1 on April 28, 2011, 03:31:33 PM
who said anything anout sacrificing other neighborhoods to support downtown?  I think every neighborhood is important....but we sure don't make it any easier by constantly building new neighborhoods on vacant land at the edge of the county.

If I recall, Alvin's response to helping all neighborhoods was that the declining ones may just need a little more attention! Not ignoring other neighborhoods, but having a focus on cleaning up the ones that are falling apart.

mtraininjax

QuoteThe decline has happened over 50 years...and it may take 50 more to fix it...but we need to start doing it right now. also, who said anything anout sacrificing other neighborhoods to support downtown?  I think every neighborhood is important....but we sure don't make it any easier by constantly building new neighborhoods on vacant land at the edge of the county.

50? Why not since the fire May 3, 1901? Once downtown was burned to the ground, the flood of help to rebuild and expand Jacksonville has not been slowed. In fact it still goes on until there is no more land to build on. When did Brian Teeple say that we will be at maximum density for the county? Was it 2030, 2050? I know it was a few years ago they discussed this to people on MJ, but I am not sure the exact date. Again, just an estimate, but the fact is there is still bucu land in Jax to be developed, and the only thing that has slowed it down, besides President Obama's birth certificate announcement, has been the Great Recession.
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urbaknight

Quote from: stephendare on April 28, 2011, 06:40:29 PM
Quote from: mtraininjax on April 28, 2011, 05:45:43 PM
QuoteThe decline has happened over 50 years...and it may take 50 more to fix it...but we need to start doing it right now. also, who said anything anout sacrificing other neighborhoods to support downtown?  I think every neighborhood is important....but we sure don't make it any easier by constantly building new neighborhoods on vacant land at the edge of the county.

50? Why not since the fire May 3, 1901? Once downtown was burned to the ground, the flood of help to rebuild and expand Jacksonville has not been slowed. In fact it still goes on until there is no more land to build on. When did Brian Teeple say that we will be at maximum density for the county? Was it 2030, 2050? I know it was a few years ago they discussed this to people on MJ, but I am not sure the exact date. Again, just an estimate, but the fact is there is still bucu land in Jax to be developed, and the only thing that has slowed it down, besides President Obama's birth certificate announcement, has been the Great Recession.

Thank god. Mtrain, I think you grossly misunderstand the concept of density if you think that the county will be at maximum density by 2050.

I say let's put a moratorium on sprawl related development for ten years, in favor of infill projects in the core. (unless it's to fix a pothole in the road or to build sidewalks) It would preserve undeveloped land, which is good for the environment. Any strip mall that becomes underused should be demolished and turned back into woods. Get rid of anti urban policies like the transient vendor ban and the sign ordinance. These factors would force DT to become vibrant again.