Just Say No To Kimberly Daniels

[Kiva]

We should take every threat seriously.   Groups like this are very dangerous in that their message can be taken seriously by some.  They enjoy the protection of the first amendment, but the threat quoted in the media, with its racial component, could be construed to fall outside of that protection.

Any message can be taken seriously by some. Some people still believe that the Apollo mission to the moon was faked in a Hollywood studio. I don't think that group is a big threat to our democracy. i think that the "birther" opponents to Obama are totally wrong headed, but they have the right to put their ideas out there.

[Jimmy]

Kiva, I agree completely that groups (and individuals) should avail themselves of the first amendment.  And the political process.  What troubles me, and apparently others including NotNow (thanks) about the comments from the NBPP is that these are threats of violence directed at very specific groups (if not a whole ethnic group).  Those words have the potential to incite some nasty behavior from people who might be susceptible to such messages.

The most troubling aspect is that these men are trying to shut down legitimate debate about important public topics through intimidation and threats of violence.  If Ms. Daniels wants to be a leader in Jacksonville, this is her big chance.  She either denounces this group and their tactics or she adopts them.

[Timkin]

If she adopts them, It speaks volumes to the sort of character she really is.. as if her messages are not scary enough.

[Jimmy]

can they be recalled?

Council members can be recalled, as I understand it.  The bar is high.  More likely, if warranted, would be removal by the Governor. 

[ChriswUfGator]

We should take every threat seriously.  While the New Black Panthers are a very small and very radical group, their message of hate can influence many.   Even just blowing how air can result in a weak minded individual acting out in percieved revenge.  Groups like this are very dangerous in that their message can be taken seriously by some.  They enjoy the protection of the first amendment, but the threat quoted in the media, with its racial component, could be construed to fall outside of that protection.

+1

[cityimrov]

Can someone here tell me the history on why Group 1 has only these two to vote for? 

[Springfielder]

It would've come down to either nobody else wanted to run or nobody qualified

[tufsu1]

there was a 3rd candidate (an Independent)...but these 2 made the runoff

[cityimrov]

Where is the residential area for this group?  How did things get to the point where nobody else wanted to run? 

[tufsu1]

Where is the residential area for this group?  How did things get to the point where nobody else wanted to run?  

as stated above, there was a 3rd candidate...and Group 1 is a city-wide district

[Charles Hunter]

Group 1 - like all At-Large Groups is voted on county wide, but each has a different residency area.  I couldn't find a map, but did find a text description on the SOE page:

AT-LARGE RESIDENCY AREA 1
Begin at the southwest corner of Duval County, Florida (being the northwest
corner of Clay County, and also being a point on the easterly line of Baker County,
Florida); thence northerly along the westerly line of Duval County to its northwesterly
corner; thence northeasterly along the northerly line of Duval County, Florida into
Nassau Sound; thence easterly through Nassau Sound to the easterly line of Duval
County as it borders the Atlantic Ocean; thence southerly along the east line of Duval,
County Florida, east of Little Talbot Island, into the main shipping channel of the St.
Johns River; thence westerly along the main shipping channel of the St. Johns River,
southerly of Blount Island into Trout River; thence westerly through Trout River to a point
on the Trout River Bridge (Interstate 95); thence northerly on I-95 to Interstate 295 (I-
295); thence westerly on I-295 to Duval Road; thence southerly on Duval Road to Dunn
Avenue; thence easterly on Dunn Avenue to Monaco Drive; thence southerly on Monaco
Drive to Depaul Drive; thence easterly on Depaul Drive to Interstate Center Drive;
thence southerly on Interstate Center Drive to Clark Road; thence westerly on Clark
Road to Broward Road; thence northwesterly on Broward Road to a point northwesterly
of Belleshore Circle West and southeasterly of Haverford Road; thence southwesterly
from Broward Road into the Trout River; thence westerly through the Trout River to I-
295; thence southerly on I-295 to Wilson Boulevard; thence easterly on Wilson
Boulevard to Blanding Boulevard; thence northerly on Blanding Boulevard into the Cedar
River; thence southeasterly through the Cedar River to the Ortega River; thence
southerly through the Ortega River to the south line of Duval County, Florida; thence
westerly along the south line of Duval County, Florida to its southwest corner and the
point of beginning.

Sounds like District 11, plus some more area?

[Jimmy]

Where is the residential area for this group?  How did things get to the point where nobody else wanted to run?  

The group's geographic area can be seen here: http://www3.coj.net/City-Council/Docs/2007atlargedistrictmap.aspx

Five candidates filed papers to run for the seat, including Daniels, Taylor, Steve Burnette (who was defeated), Randall Gallup, and Marc Hardesty. Gallup and Hardesty withdrew.  I don't think Gallup would have been much of an entity in the race.  Marc Hardesty would have been the sensible choice, if he'd not left the race in January due to family reasons.

[Charles Hunter]

Much clearer than my text version.  Thanks, Jimmy!
Huge residential area - shame Hardesty had to drop out.

[Jimmy]

I liked reading your textual version, like an old deed.

Yes, too bad about Hardesty.  David Taylor it is.

[Jimmy]

I tend to agree with NN on this matter.  At the very least, these "gentlemen" have gone on television to support what Daniels said about gays and Jews.  And promised violence to keep gays, Jews, and other ministers from calling Daniels out for her dangerous rhetoric. 

The phrase "domestic terrorism" comes to mind.  Idealistic optimism??  Not so much.