Should WE Incorporate Our Uteri?

[Garden guy]

I'd be perfectly happy opposing abortions if and only if every single right wing republican has as least 3 adopted babies...the GOP becomes the party of we adopt every child reguardless of its color then i say cool..since i see very few right wing republican without a mixed race child...especially anything to do with blacks..asian or whatever..but not black...its hilarious...they claim to be so high and pro life but thier actions and votes say something completly different. You guys say you love children yet the people you put in office take food out of the mouth of children everyday by their down votes...

[buckethead]

I'd be perfectly happy opposing abortions if and only if every single right wing republican has as least 3 adopted babies...the GOP becomes the party of we adopt every child reguardless of its color then i say cool..since i see very few right wing republican without a mixed race child...especially anything to do with blacks..asian or whatever..but not black...its hilarious...they claim to be so high and pro life but thier actions and votes say something completly different. You guys say you love children yet the people you put in office take food out of the mouth of children everyday by their down votes...

Argumentative, circumstantial, hearsay!

Useless anecdote!

Your Honor!!!

*Objection sustained*

[Dog Walker]

[Shudders]  DW, with all due respect, the poor little dead bodies look the same.

And so do the fetuses of all mammals until much later in the gestation period look alike.  At the early stages of development it takes and expert or a DNA test to tell the difference between a human fetus and a pig fetus.

Legal or not, paid for by the government or not, regarded as moral or not;

WOMEN WILL GET ABORTIONS! 

Now given that fact let's face reality and figure out a sensible, pragmatic and practical course.
1. Universal, early sex-education and available contraception is PROVEN to reduce abortions.
2. Abortions performed in proper medical facilities are safer than "back alley" abortions.

Since women WILL get abortions, what we need to do is reduce the harm caused by this inevitable course of action.

[NotNow]

It seems pretty easy for me to tell the difference.

The basis of your argument seems to be that this activity will happen no matter what, so accept it.

"Legal or not, paid for by the government or not, regarded as moral or not"

Would we say the same about battery or theft?  It certainly matters whether it is legal or moral.

The problem with your point #1 is that I don't trust others to provide my children with "universal, early sex-education".

And the problem with #2 is that when dehumanized, some of those abortions performed in "proper medical facilities" are more horrible than the "back alley" version.

I would also like to see harm reduced, but the devil is in the details.

[Garden guy]

Your #1 is null because apparently there are enough parents out there not teaching their children what's what and things have run amok...if parents where doing their jobs maybe we wouldn't have as many 14 year olds out there pregnant.

[buckethead]

Or... if there were less social programs, perhaps there would be less societal dereliction?

Off topic! My bad.

Not necessarily what I would advocate for, but the argument is out there.

I also agree with Not Now insomuch as the fact that "people are going to do it" whether it is criminal or not should not be justification for allowing/legalizing "it" whatever it might be.

A better justification would be like this:  Does this action/behavior unduly deprive a person (people) of his/her life, physical well being, property, liberty?

Any behavioral legislation should be based on these precepts.

In the case of abortion, we have collectively decided that it does not, but I'm hoping we can refine our collective decision through thoughtful and serious debate as well as scientific/medical advancements.

[FayeforCure]

[Shudders]  DW, with all due respect, the poor little dead bodies look the same.

And so do the fetuses of all mammals until much later in the gestation period look alike.  At the early stages of development it takes and expert or a DNA test to tell the difference between a human fetus and a pig fetus.

Legal or not, paid for by the government or not, regarded as moral or not;

WOMEN WILL GET ABORTIONS!  

Now given that fact let's face reality and figure out a sensible, pragmatic and practical course.
1. Universal, early sex-education and available contraception is PROVEN to reduce abortions.
2. Abortions performed in proper medical facilities are safer than "back alley" abortions.

Since women WILL get abortions, what we need to do is reduce the harm caused by this inevitable course of action.

So true, and well said.

NotNow if you "don't trust others to provide your children with "universal, early sex-education"",


Why have we allowed tax-payer funded SOS missionaries coming into our PUBLIC schools mis-informing our students?

[Ralph W]

I see it coming... The legislation to deny these hysterical women the right to vote. As if their voices and wishes are heard now...

[NotNow]

Faye,

In my mind the public schools are authorized to teach my children academics.  I will teach them morality, values, and religion.  In real life, I have had to teach history, finance, and civics as well since the public schools were incapable or incompetent in doing so.

I agree with you that we should not have ANYONE coming into our PUBLIC schools and politizing facts and mis-informing our children.

[buckethead]

I see it coming... The legislation to deny these hysterical women the right to vote. As if their voices and wishes are heard now...

hysterical

1610s, from L. hystericus "of the womb," from Gk. hysterikos "of the womb, suffering in the womb," from hystera "womb" (see uterus). Originally defined as a neurotic condition peculiar to women and thought to be caused by a dysfunction of the uterus. Meaning "very funny" (by 1939) is from the notion of uncontrollable fits of laughter.

[NotNow]

This is one of those "theory" vs. "real life" decisions, StephenDare!.    I have actually had children in Duval County Public Schools.  As I pointed out, even the accepted curriculum was bumbled.  I would never trust the same individuals to teach sexual reproduction or sexual activity to my children.

Even if the schools were capable of teaching fact based sexual reproduction ,this is not a primary school subject.  Sex and sexuality is much more than a school subject.  Lessons start well before entry into school and continue into adulthood.  Teenagers are in full blown hormone mode, and require guidance along with the facts of sexual reproduction.  In my family, that guidance will be provided by parents, not strangers.  While the biology and names of organs are academic; sex, love, and becoming a parent are inextricable from the subject and are subjects of morals, values, and religion.

[NotNow]

I'm sorry, I didn't know you had children.  So you trust all of those schools to teach sex and sexuality to your kids?  I do not.

I did answer your question, the subjects are intertwined.  Especially with primary school age children.  Just read these threads about abortion (a subject that we cannot come to a conclusive end because it is unknown or unprovable to us when "life" begins) and tell me there are no moral judgments.  And we are all adults. 

[FayeforCure]

I see it coming... The legislation to deny these hysterical women the right to vote. As if their voices and wishes are heard now...

hysterical

1610s, from L. hystericus "of the womb," from Gk. hysterikos "of the womb, suffering in the womb," from hystera "womb" (see uterus). Originally defined as a neurotic condition peculiar to women and thought to be caused by a dysfunction of the uterus. Meaning "very funny" (by 1939) is from the notion of uncontrollable fits of laughter.

I just had an uncontrollable fit of laughter 

[NotNow]

Then I applaud your family tradition.  We also have frank and honest discussions about sex, sexuality, and many, many other subjects throughout the lives of our children. I would never leave such important things to strangers, just like in your family.

[FayeforCure]

Faye,

In my mind the public schools are authorized to teach my children academics.  I will teach them morality, values, and religion.  In real life, I have had to teach history, finance, and civics as well since the public schools were incapable or incompetent in doing so.

I agree with you that we should not have ANYONE coming into our PUBLIC schools and politizing facts and mis-informing our children.

Sexual reproduction and activity are fact based, notnow.  It is an academic subject.  How does knowing the facts about the subject keep you from teaching morality values or religion?

Thanks Stephen, since our morality, values and religion differ, those are best taught at home.

Yet knowledge about contraceptives is scientific and should be taught in schools rather than just the "moral value" of abstinence, as is currently done,........ which has left our youth woefully underinformed about the many ways to PREVENT unwanted pregnancy.

93% of adults want REAL sex education for their kids in school.

How the heck did we end up with a dangerously lacking pogram like Project SOS?

Dr. Drew is talking about it right now on HLN