Republicans, Abortion, Women's Rights, and the challenges facing them.

Started by Garden guy, March 28, 2011, 05:23:15 PM

uptowngirl

Oh and after another quick search of the internet, here are some more options for you Faye, since you and your daughters refuse to take responsibility for your own reproductive options. Amaxing how highschoolers can manage to find free birth control, but college students and graduates cannot?

http://www.life123.com/parenting/tweens-teens/teens-sex/birth-control-for-teens.shtml


Sources of Free Birth Control for Teens
The topic of birth control for teens remains controversial. Most parents would prefer abstinence until marriage, for a host of health and moral reasons. The reality for teens, however, is far different. In 2008 the National Institutes for Health reported the first increase in the rate of teen births since 1991. Sexually transmitted diseases remain a very real threat. When teens have access to birth control, they're more likely to use it, which reduces both the risk of pregnancy and the risk of sexually transmitted diseases, though it's important to remember that birth control is never 100% effective.

Teens may be too embarassed to seek out birth control in stores or too fearful to ask parents for advice. For these reasons, locating reliable sources of free birth control and advice for teens is a good step.

Planned Parenthood
A teen who has never been counseled about reproductive health by a trained health care professional should seek this advice prior to engaging in sexual intercourse. There is nothing romantic about an unplanned pregnancy that forces a teen to make difficult choices about his future, or a sexually transmitted disease that may have lasting physical and psychological consequences.

Planned Parenthood Federation of America (PPFA) has been around for decades and continues to lead the country in providing education and services that help teens make responsible choices about their sexuality. Planned Parenthood is also a source of free birth control for teens. Information about Planned Parenthood, including the location of nearby health centers offering Planning Parenthood services, can be accessed by visiting www.plannedparenthood.org.

Web Sites
Searching online will reveal a number of Web sites that offer free condoms to teens. Condoms are a wise choice for teens because they have been shown to also help prevent a number of sexually transmitted diseases when used properly, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Before taking advantage of free birth control offers online, it is important to read them carefully. Some sites may require a membership, have age restrictions or require a minimum purchase before a specified number of free condoms will be shipped. Most, however, do protect consumers' privacy by shipping condoms discretely in plain packages.

School Health Centers
While some teens may not consider their school as a free source of birth control, some public schools do provide these services, as do most colleges and universities. If information is not widely shared at a particular school about free birth control, a student can take it upon herself to visit the school nurse or health center. If a teen is worried about parents being notified, she should inquire about the school's policy before obtaining birth control.

Title X Family Planning Clinics
There is at least one Title X Family Planning clinic in 75% of counties throughout America, according to the US Department of Health and Human Services. Title X Family Planning is a federally funded program that makes it possible for teens to receive free birth control and family planning services without their parents' permission. Teens can locate a Title X Family Planning clinic in their area by visiting the Office of Population Affairs Clearinghouse.


Shwaz

Quote from: FayeforCure on March 30, 2011, 05:32:35 PM
Quote from: stephendare on March 30, 2011, 04:48:36 PM
Quote from: Shwaz on March 30, 2011, 04:43:06 PM
Quote from: FayeforCure on March 30, 2011, 04:30:42 PM
Quote from: Shwaz on March 30, 2011, 02:15:23 PM
Whoa whoa whoa Your college age, gainfully employed daughters need free contraceptives... and not just the over the counter variety... instead you're demanding surgically implanted contraceptives of their choosing?!??!?!



Schwaz, just goes to show how little you know: an IUD is inserted by a doctor similar to the way a woman inserts a tampon...........nothing surgical about it.

It is the "cheapest" birthcontrol method around, because it'll be good for 10 years plus as it was in my own case.

Ok so... your daughter(s) need 10 years worth of birth control subsidized by taxpayers because their in college now?



Do you think that they stopped being fertile once they made it to college?

Is this more of that majical thinking that Pro Choice people love to point out about the Pro Life crowd?  If you are really trying to stop abortion, isnt birth control a good way to do that?

Or are you really just trying to keep women from having sex on an even ground with men, not having to worry about getting pregnant?

Thanks Stephen, as a career-minded young woman, I certainly did not want to take any chances. I knew I would be one of those women who would wait to have children until my late twenties or early thirties, even though I married the man I started dating at age 19.

It's funny how Schwaz first doesn't know what IUDs are (even thinking they are srgically inserted), and then questions why my daughters might want a similar 10+ years of "no worry" protection.

You're right Faye, I didn't. Back in late 1990's we had to run up to the corner store for a pack of rubbers and pay for it with our hard earned minimum wages.
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danno

Quote from: FayeforCure on March 30, 2011, 04:30:42 PM
Quote from: Shwaz on March 30, 2011, 02:15:23 PM
Whoa whoa whoa Your college age, gainfully employed daughters need free contraceptives... and not just the over the counter variety... instead you're demanding surgically implanted contraceptives of their choosing?!??!?!




Schwaz, just goes to show how little you know: an IUD is inserted by a doctor similar to the way a woman inserts a tampon...........nothing surgical about it.

It is the "cheapest" birthcontrol method around, because it'll be good for 10 years plus as it was in my own case.

Abstinence doesnt cost a dime.... just sayin.

Shwaz

Neither does 10 years worth of high end birth control... according to Faye it's supposed to be free.
And though I long to embrace, I will not replace my priorities: humour, opinion, a sense of compassion, creativity and a distaste for fashion.

Clem1029

Faye continues to demonstrate that the 2nd biggest help to the pro-life movement (right behind, you know, the truth) is the sheer rabid extremism of the pro-abortion crowd.

FayeforCure

Quote from: Shwaz on March 30, 2011, 05:24:01 PM
Quote from: FayeforCure on March 30, 2011, 05:17:02 PM
Quote from: uptowngirl on March 30, 2011, 05:00:26 PM
Somehow... we have spun from lack of access to birth control to lack of the options I think you should provide for my family.

The issue here is there IS  birth control available that works, but Faye thinks we ( tax payers) should be buying everyone a MBZ not an escort because, well just because.

And of course since Faye thinks we should purchase these MBZs for her daughter, we have a right to be concerned no?

Lets keep things straight: you claimed you had free access to birth control through your high school nurse's office and through Planned Parenthood.

I then told you that my daughters would like the same, because today there is no such FREE access to birth control.

PLAIN and SIMPLE.

And it must be of the highest quality... and it must last at least 10 years... and it must be provided 'free' even if they are adults with jobs.

Hey, my daughters would have been fine with the same free birth control pills that uptowngirl used. However they looked all over, but couldn't find ANY free options out there..........working part-time at minimum wage.

Even uptowngirl agreed that no free options exist besides what dogwalker agrees to is irrational abstinence.
In a society governed passively by free markets and free elections, organized greed always defeats disorganized democracy.
Basic American bi-partisan tradition: Dwight Eisenhower and Harry Truman were honorary chairmen of Planned Parenthood

uptowngirl

Quote from: FayeforCure on March 30, 2011, 06:07:16 PM
Quote from: Shwaz on March 30, 2011, 05:24:01 PM
Quote from: FayeforCure on March 30, 2011, 05:17:02 PM
Quote from: uptowngirl on March 30, 2011, 05:00:26 PM
Somehow... we have spun from lack of access to birth control to lack of the options I think you should provide for my family.

The issue here is there IS  birth control available that works, but Faye thinks we ( tax payers) should be buying everyone a MBZ not an escort because, well just because.

And of course since Faye thinks we should purchase these MBZs for her daughter, we have a right to be concerned no?

Lets keep things straight: you claimed you had free access to birth control through your high school nurse's office and through Planned Parenthood.

I then told you that my daughters would like the same, because today there is no such FREE access to birth control.

PLAIN and SIMPLE.

And it must be of the highest quality... and it must last at least 10 years... and it must be provided 'free' even if they are adults with jobs.

Hey, my daughters would have been fine with the same free birth control pills that uptowngirl used. However they looked all over, but couldn't find ANY free options out there..........working part-time at minimum wage.

Even uptowngirl agreed that no free options exist besides what dogwalker agrees to is irrational abstinence.


Faye are you all there? And I mean that in the nicest sense it can be asked.  I have posted free birth control opetions over and over for you, I have never admitted birth control is not available for free, so now I must seriously question your stability? I do not do so out of meanness, but out of true concern. I just do not feel it is fair to debate with someone not sound of mind and in the here and now.

uptowngirl

Stephen your stories are as touching as they are heartbreaking thank you for sharing.

I have not heard the term "sitting that chicken" for a loooong time. It was a horrible southern practice and I hope to never hear it again as long as I live. We are still very poor at protecting women and children from abusive situations, very poor indeed.

FayeforCure

 Wow, uptowngirl continues to insist there is free birth control (pills) to be found at Planned Parenthood!

My 17 year old daughter who is in a committed relationship, just like dogwalker's friend's daughter, went to Planned Parenthood on Beach Blvd. and was told there is no such thing as free birth control pills.

So YOU are the one who is WRONG uptowngirl.

Why don't you give them a call yourself.

Why would I lie?

You anti-choice folks ( even though you call yourself pro-choice) have made sure getting contrception is pretty much out of reach for teens, just like the morning after pill can ONLY be sold over the counter to 18 year old and up.

It's disgusting, how difficult it is for teens!

And you wonder why the abortion rate is twice as high in the US than it is in the Netherlands or Belgium or for that matter pretty much ANY other European country.

Schwaz, thank you for having been a responsible teen/young man. But I'm sure that most have taken chances when they didn't happen to have a rubber on them and had a wee bit too much to drink.
In a society governed passively by free markets and free elections, organized greed always defeats disorganized democracy.
Basic American bi-partisan tradition: Dwight Eisenhower and Harry Truman were honorary chairmen of Planned Parenthood

uptowngirl

Faye I have determined you are not all in the here and now. I posted links and sites for you. Your daughter can't get free birth control pills at PP because she has a JOB and based on her earnings does not qualify for free birth control pills.  I also posted sites where your daughter can get free condoms. You either are ignoring this, too lazy to follow through, or are just pushing your extremist agenda. Here is a novel idea- since you are so career minded and concerned, go buy the pills for them instead of hoisting it off on us the tax payers.

In future though please do not misquote me, oh wait you did not even bother to quote me you just made it up and  walla walla it is fact because you typed it.


wsansewjs

Quote from: FayeforCure on March 30, 2011, 06:27:37 PM
Schwaz, thank you for having been a responsible teen/young man. But I'm sure that most have taken chances when they didn't happen to have a rubber on them and had a wee bit too much to drink.

Considering I am one of those who take every precaution and protect my position and my companion's, when you make that kind of statement, it kinda sting. I think it is a bad usage of 'but' in that sentence.

That's like accusing so many men of being a criminal by "taking advantage of the opportunity" when you have no proof or support. I am sure there are women out there are like that too, so don't please point out to male only.

I know where you are coming from, and I do share & agree with your concern about those things.

-Josh
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uptowngirl

I just went to the NE FL PP site and they have title X available, you do need to qualify for it, so if working you will be charged on a sliding scale for what you should be able to afford.


It would be a real tragedy for a young girl to read that post and think they could not go and get free birth control there.

FayeforCure

Quote from: stephendare on March 30, 2011, 06:48:57 PM
Quote from: uptowngirl on March 30, 2011, 06:20:58 PM
Stephen your stories are as touching as they are heartbreaking thank you for sharing.

I have not heard the term "sitting that chicken" for a loooong time. It was a horrible southern practice and I hope to never hear it again as long as I live. We are still very poor at protecting women and children from abusive situations, very poor indeed.

thanks UptownGirl.

I just think that many of these issues are more complex than they seem, they are about real people and real lives.  They cannot be easily reduced to political jingles, and its disrespectful to do so.

Stephen, thank you for sharing your personal experience. I've had some close personal experiences that I am not prepared to share except to say that they DID all end in a live birth..............but it was a very agonizing and scary experience for all those involved.

Suffice it to say that I was instrumental in "talking a young woman out of abortion," even though I am pro-choice.

For uptowngirl..........you are the one that needs to inform herself better........Planned Parenthood is different in every state. This is what the Jax Planned Parenthood has on their site:

QuoteAll information presented, including pricing and/or insurance information, is subject to change at any time.

http://www.plannedparenthood.org/health-center/centerDetails.asp?f=3406

and as you are pro-choice please sign the petition from Florida Planned Parrenthood posted below:

Quote
Tell Florida Legislators: enough is enough!

In Florida, 18 anti-choice bills were filed that would severely restrict or outright ban women's access to reproductive health care. Urge your State Legislators to stop the attack on women's health care!

QuoteThis session the Florida Legislature has launched an assault on women's reproductive health care, introducing 18 anti-choice bills while proposing cuts to vital family planning funding.  Planned Parenthood will be in the halls of the legislature to defend against these attacks, but we need your help.


Please sign the letter to the legislature here:

https://secure.ppaction.org/site/Advocacy?cmd=display&page=UserAction&id=12780&__utma=1.743452141.1301525344.1301525344.1301525344.1&__utmb=1.24.10.1301525344&__utmc=1&__utmx=-&__utmz=1.1301525344.1.1.utmcsr=google|utmccn=(organic)|utmcmd=organic|utmctr=planned%20parenthood%20jacksonville%20fl&__utmv=-&__utmk=177107109
In a society governed passively by free markets and free elections, organized greed always defeats disorganized democracy.
Basic American bi-partisan tradition: Dwight Eisenhower and Harry Truman were honorary chairmen of Planned Parenthood

FayeforCure

Quote from: uptowngirl on March 30, 2011, 06:55:21 PM
I just went to the NE FL PP site and they have title X available, you do need to qualify for it, so if working you will be charged on a sliding scale for what you should be able to afford.


It would be a real tragedy for a young girl to read that post and think they could not go and get free birth control there.


Umm, yeah title X is sooooo available!

QuoteFebruary 9, 2011, 4:51 PM ET.

GOP Spending Plan: X-ing Out Title X Family Planning Funds.
By Naftali Bendavid

Among the programs that would be eliminated entirely under the new Republican spending plan announced today is Title X, a which provides family planning for low-income Americans.

The GOP plan would cut all $327 million from Title X.

That prompted an angry response from pro-choice groups, who said the program provides contraception and cancer screening, among other services.

“While these politicians attack abortion coverage from every angle, they now want to deny funding for birth control, even though that’s the best way to prevent unintended pregnancy,” said Nancy Keenan, president of NARAL Pro-Choice America.

Title X recipients cannot use the money to provide abortions. But some conservatives have sought to tie together the two issues.


http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2011/02/09/gop-spending-plan-x-ing-out-title-x-family-planning-funds/
In a society governed passively by free markets and free elections, organized greed always defeats disorganized democracy.
Basic American bi-partisan tradition: Dwight Eisenhower and Harry Truman were honorary chairmen of Planned Parenthood

FayeforCure

And since my daughter's experience at Planned Parenthood in Jax was mocked..........here is another young woman expressing her heartfelt frustration at the high cost of contraception at a time when she can little afford it:

QuoteFree birth control for all
By Signal Contributor
Posted on 23 February 2011

Tell Congress to support the health care reform laws that would ensure free birth control for all women. (AP Photo)

By Casey Olesko

As a young woman who would like to finish college and establish myself in a career before choosing to have children, birth control really matters to me. Unfortunately, it is really, really expensive. I pay $50 a month for it, and that’s with my parents’ insurance â€" otherwise, I’d be $90 in the hole every month.

I’m pretty sure I’m not the only one who has to go through this. Luckily, thanks to the new health care reform laws, we have a chance to eliminate this cost and make birth control free. Yes, free. No copays or out-of-pocket costs at all. Congress is currently debating what should and should not be covered under the new health care reform laws. Birth control could be covered under the “prevention” provision under the new law, since contraception is considered a preventative medicine (that is, it prevents pregnancy).

By making birth control free, the number of unintended pregnancies would plummet. Right now, many women struggle to pay for their birth control, and as a result, might not be able to use it consistently, potentially leading to an unintended pregnancy. If birth control were covered under the new health care laws, this would be much less likely. Covering birth control will lead to healthier women and children, as women will have the ability to plan out their pregnancies and provide for their children.

Considering what happened in Congress last week, birth control matters more than ever. On Saturday, the House of Representatives voted to defund the Title X program, which funds reproductive health care services like contraception, annual exams, breast and cervical cancer screening, STI testing and treatment and patient education and counseling. By defunding this program, women’s access to these services will be slashed. Women will be left without access to affordable birth control, which will lead to more unplanned pregnancies. Women will be left without affordable breast and cervical cancer screenings or annual exams, which can and do save lives. Women will be left uneducated about their health and their bodies. Women will be left without a health care provider entirely, since six out of 10 women who use Planned Parenthood’s service say the organization is their main source of health care.

So, while we fight that battle, take a moment and consider the importance of covering birth control under the new health care reform laws. Text BCMATTERS to 69866 to sign a petition and make your voice heard. Whether it’s for you or a partner, birth control matters.

http://www.tcnjsignal.net/2011/02/23/12005/

PLEASE, PLEASE lets fight for our DAUGHTERS and all the other women in our lives!!
In a society governed passively by free markets and free elections, organized greed always defeats disorganized democracy.
Basic American bi-partisan tradition: Dwight Eisenhower and Harry Truman were honorary chairmen of Planned Parenthood