Republicans, Abortion, Women's Rights, and the challenges facing them.

[Dog Walker]

For many... the entire abortion issue would go away if the government got out of the business of providing them...

And if the governments at the state level got out of the business of trying to regulate them out of existence?

Hey!  That takes us back to the subject of the thread!

[BridgeTroll]

Ah... the circle of life...

[uptowngirl]

For many... the entire abortion issue would go away if the government got out of the business of providing them...

+1000

[buckethead]

I want to post this that showed up on my Tumblr.

This just may be the best pro-life message yet.
A worried woman went to her gynecologist and said:

Woman: Doctor, I have a serious problem and desperately need your  help! My baby is not even 1 year old and I'm pregnant again. I don't want kids so close together.

Doctor: Ok and what do you want me to do?

Woman: I want you to end my pregnancy, and I'm  counting on your help with this.

The doctor thought for a little, and after some silence he said to the lady:
I think I have a better solution for your problem. It's less dangerous for you too.

She smiled, thinking that the doctor was going to accept her request.

The Doctor continued: You see, in order for you not to have to take  care 2 babies at the same time, let's kill your present one-year-old. This way,  you could rest a little before the other one is born. If we're going to kill  one of them, it doesn't matter which one it is. There would be no risk for  your body if you chose to kill the one in your arms.

The lady was horrified and said:
Woman: No doctor! How  terrible!  It's a crime to kill a child!

Doctor: I agree.. But you seemed to be OK on killing your unborn child, so I thought maybe that you'd agree to kill the other one.  I believe that what I propose, given your situation, is the best solution.

The doctor smiled, realizing that he had made his point. He convinced the mom that there is no difference in killing a child that's already been born and one that's still in the womb.

The crime  is the same!
 
Love says:
     "I sacrifice myself for the good of the other person."

Abortion says:
     "I sacrifice the other person for the good of myself."

How do you guys feel about that?

-Josh

I think that is theocratic gobblygook. The whole premise against any abortion is founded in lines of the bible:

Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me. Psalms 51:5

As soon as the sound of your greeting reached my ears, the baby in my womb leaped for joy. Luke 1:44

Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you; I have appointed you a prophet to the nations. Jeremiah 1:5

These are among the scriptures used to present the notion that a first trimester fetus is more that a lump of cells.

Not a basis for sound legislation.

[uptowngirl]

why should anyone have their tax dollars being used to fund abortions? Unless it is a required medical need? Abortion is an ELECTIVE procedure. If we tax payers pay for this why do we not also pay for breast implants? Nose jobs?

[buckethead]

why should anyone have their tax dollars being used to fund abortions? Unless it is a required medical need? Abortion is an ELECTIVE procedure. If we tax payers pay for this why do we not also pay for breast implants? Nose jobs?

You must have missed it.

But all those babies. Who wants 'em? Wink

Government provided abortions are cost effective. How much will each of the unwanted children potentially cost the taxpayer annually? *oh dear*

You can't separate abortion from health care, and health care and government are not breaking up any time soon.

[riverside planner]

For many... the entire abortion issue would go away if the government got out of the business of providing them...

I really hope you are kidding with this comment.  The Hyde Amendment has been used to prohibit use of federal funds for abortion since 1976 and I know of no state programs anywhere that fund abortion.  And before anyone mentions any (minimal) government funding of Planned Parenthood, the overwhelming majority of their services are for basic health care, i.e., Pap smears and birth control, and reproductive health education.  

As far as biblical justifications for outlawing abortion, we have this little thing known as the separation of church and state.  Let's stick with science folks.  

For the record, I am a staunchly pro-choice woman and I believe that abortion should be rare as it is a decision that no one wants to make.  However, its rarity should be a function of a reduction in unplanned and uncomplicated pregnancies resulting from better decision making and health care, not lack of access.

[FayeforCure]

why should anyone have their tax dollars being used to fund abortions? Unless it is a required medical need? Abortion is an ELECTIVE procedure. If we tax payers pay for this why do we not also pay for breast implants? Nose jobs?

Why should anyone have their tax dollars used to wage unwanted wars?

[FayeforCure]

where have you been Faye? Contraception is available all over the place for free. No one is "forcing 13yrs olds to have babies", and why should having an abortion not be a tough decision? This is an irreversible decision and impacts not only the woman/girl making the decision, the baby, but also potentially family members, friends, and lovers. It should be a very difficult decision to make, and not just a snap one.

Just out of curiosity...........where the heck are YOU getting free contraception?

Also out of curiosity...........have you or anyone else in your immediate family ever been faced with an unwanted pregnancy and gone through the agonizing decision process of what to do?

[uptowngirl]

Faye, when I was in high school they offerred free contraception in the nurses office, they also offerred this at university free. Planned Parenthood also offerred free contraceptives. Also contraception is subsidized if you are low income. Faye there is also the most free of all contraceptives- it is called abstinence until you are old enough and mature enough to make these type of decisions and understand and accept the repercussions/responsibility of your decisions. abortion is not birth control, nor should it be used as such, but more and more it is. It is by far much cheaper and easier to supply free birth control than to subsidize abortion.Likelihood of abortion:

An estimated 43% of all women will have at least 1 abortion by the time they are 45 years old. 47% of all abortions are performed on women who have had at least one previous abortion.

Abortion coverage:
48% of all abortion facilities provide services after the 12th week of pregnancy. 9 in 10 managed care plans routinely cover abortion or provide limited coverage. About 14% of all abortions in the United States are paid for with public funds, virtually all of which are state funds. 16 states (CA, CT, HI, ED, IL, MA , MD, MD, MN, MT, NJ, NM, NY, OR, VT, WA and WV) pay for abortions for some poor women.



WORLDWIDE

Number of abortions per year: Approximately 42 Million
Number of abortions per day: Approximately 115,000

Where abortions occur:
83% of all abortions are obtained in developing countries and 17% occur in developed countries.

© Copyright 1996-2008, The Alan Guttmacher Institute. (www.agi-usa.org)

UNITED STATES

Number of abortions per year: 1.37 Million (1996)
Number of abortions per day: Approximately 3,700



Lastly who does not know at least one person who has been faced with an unwanted pregnancy?  I have friends and family both, who have made very different decisions some with support some without, some who regret their decision and some who do not. 93% of all abortions in the US are due to unwanted/unplanned pregnancy, not incest, rape, or health reasons.

http://www.abortionno.org/Resources/fastfacts.html

[FayeforCure]

Faye, when I was in high school they offerred free contraception in the nurses office, they also offerred this at university free. Planned Parenthood also offerred free contraceptives. Also contraception is subsidized if you are low income. Faye there is also the most free of all contraceptives- it is called abstinence until you are old enough and mature enough to make these type of decisions and understand and accept the repercussions/responsibility of your decisions. abortion is not birth control, nor should it be used as such, but more and more it is.

It is by far much cheaper and easier to supply free birth control than to subsidize abortion.

uptowngirl, you really need to get off your high horse. Have you been to a Planned Parenthood recently? Or to a nurse's office in high school?

Apparently not. Neither place offers free birth control today. This is because of rabid women like yourself who want to take away women's choice. In fact you would force a 13 year old pregnant girl to go through pregnancy and have a baby which in my book is pure child abuse.

I have 5 daughters and I am appalled that women like you do NOTHING to make sure they can get FREE contraceptives!! But yet you would preach at them if they did become pregnant.

Please give them a REAL choice before they get pregnant, and don't give me that abstinence crap.

Because the US does not give out free birth control, it has more than double the abortion rate that other "civilized" nations have:

According to the Guttmacher Institute and the United Nations Population Fund, the abortion rate in developing countries is largely attributable to lack of access to modern contraceptives; assuming no change in abortion laws, providing that access to contraceptives would result in about 25 million fewer abortions annually, including almost 15 million fewer unsafe abortions.[65]

The incidence of induced abortion varies regionally. Some countries, such as Belgium (11.2 out of 100 known pregnancies) and the Netherlands (10.6 per 100), had a comparatively low ratio of induced abortion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion

Compare that to Pro-Life controled USA:

Twenty-two percent of all pregnancies (excluding miscarriages) end in abortion in the US  (22.0 per 100 known pregnancies)

http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_induced_abortion.html

I give you guys a failing grade BECAUSE you do not provide FREE CONTRACEPTIVES!!!!

My daughters who are in a committed relationship would like to get an IUD. At Planned Parenthood they charge $550, which is unaffordable at their minimum wage jobs they work while going to college. When I had my IUD inserted in 1977 in the Netherlands, it was free of charge. And it is still free of charge now..........hence their lower abortion rates.

Birth control like the pill costs about $300 per year in the US. I would kindly request that you work to have my daughters' generation have the same opportunity to free birth control as you had yourself!!!

[Shwaz]

Whoa whoa whoa Your college age, gainfully employed daughters need free contraceptives... and not just the over the counter variety... instead you're demanding surgically implanted contraceptives of their choosing?!??!?!

[BridgeTroll]

Whoa whoa whoa Your college age, gainfully employed daughters need free contraceptives... and not just the over the counter variety... instead you're demanding surgically implanted contraceptives of their choosing?!??!?!

Pay your taxes Shwaz and be silent.

[Shwaz]

Whoa whoa whoa Your college age, gainfully employed daughters need free contraceptives... and not just the over the counter variety... instead you're demanding surgically implanted contraceptives of their choosing?!??!?!

Pay your taxes Shwaz and be silent.

What was that she said about "high horses"?

[Shwaz]

Whoa whoa whoa Your college age, gainfully employed daughters need free contraceptives... and not just the over the counter variety... instead you're demanding surgically implanted contraceptives of their choosing?!??!?!

Pay your taxes Shwaz and be silent.

What are either one of you talking about?

Bridge Troll, Schwaz doesnt have to stay silent and pay taxes if he doesnt want to.  Metrojacksonville is about dialogue, and he can express himself if he wants to.

This playful banter must've gone over your head Esteban.