Entire Antarctic Shelf splitting away from Continent.

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midway I might be offended by that if. I wasn't laughing out loud. The point was you are wrong on that and if you dont recognize even the simplist argument how are you going to make it to 30?

[Charleston native]

No, Midway, I understood the whole discussion. The fact of the matter is that his credentials were just fine, because his field of study does obtain knowledge on the subject, which you choose to ignore.

Speaking of going over someone's head, I think YOU missed my point. If you can't take a hint, I'm not going to spell it out for you.

BTW, jaxnative, that was hilarious. Thank you!

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wow look at me I blog on a forum woow

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I don't think anybody lives an  environmentally recklessly life as Al Gore.    Heck, when he was in office 9 cars would follow him around that's the secret service I know, but do you realze what kind of CO2 foot print 9 cars is and that was just to run over to Bill's place.  Not to mention the road blocks that caused hundreds of cars to have to wait for the motorcade to pass.  Do you think they turned their cars off to wait?

[RiversideGator]

Now, global warming will cause temporary cooling.  Hmmm....

Ocean Cooling to Briefly Halt Global Warming, Researchers Say

By Jim Efstathiou Jr.

April 30 (Bloomberg) -- Parts of North America and Europe may cool naturally over the next decade, as shifting ocean currents temporarily blunt the global-warming effect caused by mankind, Germany's Leibniz Institute of Marine Sciences said.

Average temperatures in areas such as California and France may drop over the next 10 years, influenced by colder flows in the North Atlantic, said a report today by the institution based in Kiel, Germany. Temperatures worldwide may stabilize in the period.

The study was based on sea-surface temperatures of currents that move heat around the world, and vary from decade to decade. This regional cooling effect may temporarily neutralize the long- term warming phenomenon caused by heat-trapping greenhouse gases building up around the earth, said Richard Wood, a research scientist at the Met Office Hadley Centre, a U.K. provider of environmental and weather-related services.

``Those natural climate variations could be stronger than the global-warming trend over the next 10-year period,'' Wood said in an interview. ``Without knowing that, you might erroneously think there's no global warming going on.''

The Leibniz study, co-written by Noel Keenlyside, a research scientist at the institute, will be published in the May 1 issue of the journal Nature.

``If we don't experience warming over the next 10 years, it doesn't mean that greenhouse-gas warming is not with us,'' Keenlyside said in an interview. ``There can be natural fluctuations that may mask climate change in the short term.''

CO2 Surge

Carbon dioxide, produced mainly from burning fossil fuels such as oil and natural gas, is the chief pollutant blamed for global warming. Since 1988, CO2 levels in the world's skies have increased by 9.8 percent, according to the U.S. National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.

Scientists debate how much carbon can be pumped into the atmosphere before the effects of climate change, including droughts, floods and reduced fresh water supplies, become irreversible. For every 1 million molecules in the atmosphere, about 384 are carbon dioxide, according to NOAA.

Global temperatures can't rise by more than 2 degrees Celsius (3.6 Fahrenheit) without risking the worst effects of climate change, according to the European Union. A scenario to stay below that limit suggests that CO2 levels must be stabilized between 350 and to 400 parts per million.

Long-term climate changes in the North Atlantic region affect ``hurricane activity in the Atlantic, and surface temperature and rainfall variations over North America, Europe and northern Africa,'' according to the study.

`Cold Direction'

``Natural variations over the next 10 years might be heading in the cold direction,'' Wood said. ``If you run the model long enough, eventually global warming will win.''

The world will become at least 2.5 degrees Celsius warmer by 2100, compared with the pre-industrial period, Rajendra Pachauri, chairman of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, said in March.

``We thought a lot about the way to present this because we don't want it to be turned around in the wrong way,'' Keenlyside said. ``I hope it doesn't become a message of Exxon Mobil and other skeptics.''

Exxon Mobil Corp. spokesman Gantt Walton said managers of U.S. oil company ``take the issue of climate change seriously and the risks warrant action,'' in an interview today.

To contact the reporter on this story: Jim Efstathiou Jr. in New York at jefstathiou@bloomberg.net.
Last Updated: April 30, 2008 13:00 EDT

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601124&sid=aU.evtnk6DPo&refer=home

[Charleston native]

As I said in another thread referring to this article, all it does is mention the measurements from the institute of oceans cooling, then regurgitates the prophecies of some scientists about how our man-made global warming will kill us all.

Notice that no other possible reasons behind the ocean cooling were given; just mindless drivel with the same old proselytization from ideological scientists.

An objective scientist would look at this phenomenon and research possible hypotheses into the causes of the ocean cooling...especially when global warming is supposed to warm ocean temperatures.

[RiversideGator]

I think that if you read this article carefully, it makes the case against your former position.

You will be receiving your Greenpeace membership card in the mail shortly. Welcome to the organization.

I did read the article closely.  They are saying that there will be a 10 year period of "natural cooling" followed by global warming caused by man.  If you dont see the internal contradictions in that article, I dont know what else to say except that this global warming hype proves that people on the left still cannot rid themselves of their innate religious instincts no matter how hard they try.   

[Charleston native]

What he's saying is that if the earth has "natural cooling" processes, then the globe must also have natural warming processes. However, everybody in this article conveniently leaves that possibility out. Why? Because if they admitted that there is natural warming, therein lies the possibility that it's all natural and not man-made...

...which would decimate the theory of climate change and the green movement.

[RiversideGator]

Exactly CN. 

And, that the global warming movement is now akin to a religious movement which can come up with a new answer for any set of new facts, however absurd the "answer" may be.  They simply ask us to operate on faith that massive global warming is coming at some point down the road and that it is all our faults.  And, we should cripple our economies to prevent it by returning to pre-industrial standards of living to limit CO2 emissions (but we could NEVER use nuclear power to achieve CO2 free energy).  It is really a tortured set of beliefs.

[RiversideGator]

Interesting chart here showing ocean temperatures over the last 100+ years.  Does anyone detect a pattern here?

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OO! OO! OO! I do Mr Riversidegator! There's a hole lot less blue the say 70 years ago and a lot more red then even 50 years ago.

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it seems that a century ago we had less extremes compared to today. Imagine if this was a measure of an earthquake... Where on this graph would you like to be ?

[JeffreyS]

OK the world finally pays attention to the people screaming about global warming.  We have big concerts,  NBC turns off the lights in the studio and we even give out a noble prize but guess what turns out the temp is colder. At the one moment in history world governments are springing into action and everyone is on board we are supposed to buy that oh you can't count the next ten years the water is flowing the wrong way. If you say the sun is a more important factor in global temperature you must be a politically motivated Natzi but if you say a current shifted and is hiding global warming(sneaky current) oh that is perfectly reasonable. I was on the fence but now that I am supposed to believe that the North Atlantic is in on the great right wing conspiracy well that is to much to buy. I mean hey is were cooler now and the industrial age raises our temp a half a degree a century we just bought like three hundred years.

Honestly just stop you invalidate real efforts to curb pollution and conserve resources.

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JeffreyS:  We set the ground rules on an ealier post, please stick to them.  Oh, and by the way, I really appreciate your avatar, unfortunately, the osprey is headed toward extentions like the rest of the population except for alligators, they, and I, will be here forever.   

[RiversideGator]

As a complete layman, it appears to me that the ocean temperatures track the air temps (or the reverse), that the system appears to be cyclical and that we appear to be entering a cool phase of uncertain duration.

BTW, nice use of fancy technical words, midway.  But, unless you tell us your "field", you cannot comment on this since you have not been qualified as an expert.