Who Loves JEA?

[Lunican]

Anyway, for January I paid 14.8 cents per kWh to JEA and 10.1 cents per kWh to ComEd.

[Timkin]

Well, you certainly are a peice of work.  Why didnt you just own up to communism a long time ago?

Well now that we know each other soooo well, I'll go ahead and share a pic with you guys of ole Mom and Dad....

You're kidding, Right?

[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

So let's plug your usage into their bill estimator and:

Month Usage (kWh) Delivery
Charge  Energy
Supply
Charge  TOTAL
Bill
Estimate 
Jan 329 $22.51 $25.18 $47.69

 
TOTAL 329 $22.51 $25.18 $47.69



* Totals may vary due to rounding.

Wow, seems like you saved a dollar?  But wait, there's more.....

If you care to read the fine print under the estimator tool you see this:

Disclaimer:  The Bill Estimator Tool has been created for educational purposes only. Actual charges may vary depending on customer usage patterns, seasonal variations, or other factors. Not all possible combinations of Rates and Riders have been included in this tool. The tool does not include franchise cost additions, other applicable adders, any taxes that are applicable to ComEd service or adjustments that might be applicable under the Residential Rate Stabilization Plan. 
Although every effort has been taken to ensure correct information in content and calculations, ComEd provides no warranty, express or implied, of any information in the Bill Estimator Tool. The Bill Estimator Tool is offered on an AS IS basis, and ComEd is not liable for any damages whatsoever which result from using the information contained in this web site.
Prices used herein are best-known values and will be updated, when applicable, per Tariffs on file with the Illinois Commerce Commission.

So you may qualify for some riders, but they also didn't figure in their taxes (I mean your taxes), which means that you're probably paying more there.  Those are just facts.

[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

You're kidding, Right?

Mostly.  Mom does have blue eyes.

[Timkin]

  I am not here to attack anyone.  I think JEA's rates are grossly high. I think they could be lower. Will it happen?  not on your life.   Not unless somehow , someway it is differently managed. 

[ChriswUfGator]

So let's plug your usage into their bill estimator and:

Month Usage (kWh) Delivery
Charge  Energy
Supply
Charge  TOTAL
Bill
Estimate  
Jan 329 $22.51 $25.18 $47.69

 
TOTAL 329 $22.51 $25.18 $47.69



* Totals may vary due to rounding.

Wow, seems like you saved a dollar?  But wait, there's more.....

If you care to read the fine print under the estimator tool you see this:

Disclaimer:  The Bill Estimator Tool has been created for educational purposes only. Actual charges may vary depending on customer usage patterns, seasonal variations, or other factors. Not all possible combinations of Rates and Riders have been included in this tool. The tool does not include franchise cost additions, other applicable adders, any taxes that are applicable to ComEd service or adjustments that might be applicable under the Residential Rate Stabilization Plan.  
Although every effort has been taken to ensure correct information in content and calculations, ComEd provides no warranty, express or implied, of any information in the Bill Estimator Tool. The Bill Estimator Tool is offered on an AS IS basis, and ComEd is not liable for any damages whatsoever which result from using the information contained in this web site.
Prices used herein are best-known values and will be updated, when applicable, per Tariffs on file with the Illinois Commerce Commission.

So you may qualify for some riders, but they also didn't figure in their taxes (I mean your taxes), which means that you're probably paying more there.  Those are just facts.

Yeah OK there, Blogdad Bob...

[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

?

[Lunican]

So you may qualify for some riders, but they also didn't figure in their taxes (I mean your taxes), which means that you're probably paying more there.  Those are just facts.

I don't really understand your post. I used less electricity in Jacksonville and was billed more.

JEA: 329kWh = $48.71
ComEd: 426kWh = $46.55

[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

  I am not here to attack anyone.  I think JEA's rates are grossly high. I think they could be lower. Will it happen?  not on your life.   Not unless somehow , someway it is differently managed. 

See the attached bill, I guess that means that ComEd is even grosser.   I'm not attacking anyone, I'm just saying that it's not always greener..... - and using their own comparisons to prove my points.

[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

So you may qualify for some riders, but they also didn't figure in their taxes (I mean your taxes), which means that you're probably paying more there.  Those are just facts.

I don't really understand your post. I used less electricity in Jacksonville and was billed more.

JEA: 329kWh = $48.71
ComEd: 426kWh = $46.55

What's not to understand, plugged your JEA usage into their bill estimator and it came out more expensive.  I didn't see your other bill, that's why I prefaced with the rider statement and finished with probably.  If I'm wrong, then so be it. - According to their own website, you would be paying more.

[Timkin]

 N.R.W.--

  Do you happen to have the rate per kwh from , say 2 years ago?   Was not accusing you or anyone of attacking just saying I (Timkin) was not in this debate ,intent on attacking .. I just happen to agree with the majority that JEA is Outrageous on their billing rates , and policies, even if some of them are standard .  I do not think they should charge money for something a person does not use.  Yes the Phone and Cable do the same thing, in a sense. One at least has the leverage of an alternative source for either of these utilities. NOT SO for electricity, unless of course you are fortunate enough to have the means for buying your own generator or Solar Power source.

[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

On initial look, from Dec. '07 to June '10, I have found some things:

The rates increased 23.3% for 1000 kwh. [cue the fatalists]

but,

Their Operating expenses during the same time increased 19.4%

and

Their Fuel costs (part of their operating expense) increased 35.8% over the same period, so they did cut back somewhere, but I didn't crunch all the numbers to find out.

But like any good statistician, I've thrown you the ones that support my take on this - everyone's costs have gone up in the last few years, and IMO, JEA hasn't stuck it to us.  They've increased our prices as their costs increase.

One thing that you should note, is that they set their price for the year.  So someone has to SWAG it based on what their crystal ball tells them the market is going to do for the next 12 months.

[Timkin]

On initial look, from Dec. '07 to June '10, I have found some things:

The rates increased 23.3% for 1000 kwh. [cue the fatalists]

but,

Their Operating expenses during the same time increased 19.4%

and

Their Fuel costs (part of their operating expense) increased 35.8% over the same period, so they did cut back somewhere, but I didn't crunch all the numbers to find out.

But like any good statistician, I've thrown you the ones that support my take on this - everyone's costs have gone up in the last few years, and IMO, JEA hasn't stuck it to us.  They've increased our prices as their costs increase.

One thing that you should note, is that they set their price for the year.  So someone has to SWAG it based on what their crystal ball tells them the market is going to do for the next 12 months.

I would be terribly curious......

What has JEA's  ACTUAL (NECESSARY) operating cost increases been from 07 -Present? ( I am not asking to factor in  Pay Raises and Bonuses ,but they of course DO factor into the increase.)

Would COMPLETELY AGREE the cost of EVERYTHING has gone up.   I still maintain.. If your cable gets ridiculously high , you have alternative choices, you can make CUTS .  Same is true for Telephone , or use of your Automobile, Cuts can be made to reduce expenses.  To a tiny (very tiny)degree  use of electricity can save a couple of bucks.

Bottom line.. I live in the same house I lived in in 2006. Now it has a more efficient A/C Heating System than when I first moved in... Changing that out  reduced the monthly bill... my electric AVERAGE during Spring /Summer /Fall  Rarely cost me 120.00 /month.  Cold Weather and the use of heating , as for everyone raised this somewhat but ,even so I never (until this year) had a heating bill that EXCEEDED 200.00 /month.  This past month, my light bill was a shade over $300.00 yet there is still just me and I still use the same average ( actually just a little less kwh than one year ago)  

My opinion is the increase has a little to do with fuel cost, some to do with taxes and MUCH to do with some of the higher-end salaries at JEA.  If someone would like to , or has a way to break down JEA's actual costs  I am open to listening .. Until then, I maintain they are a R I P O F F ! ! !

[cityimrov]

On initial look, from Dec. '07 to June '10, I have found some things:

The rates increased 23.3% for 1000 kwh. [cue the fatalists]

but,

Their Operating expenses during the same time increased 19.4%

and

Their Fuel costs (part of their operating expense) increased 35.8% over the same period, so they did cut back somewhere, but I didn't crunch all the numbers to find out.

But like any good statistician, I've thrown you the ones that support my take on this - everyone's costs have gone up in the last few years, and IMO, JEA hasn't stuck it to us.  They've increased our prices as their costs increase.

One thing that you should note, is that they set their price for the year.  So someone has to SWAG it based on what their crystal ball tells them the market is going to do for the next 12 months.

I would be terribly curious......

What has JEA's  ACTUAL (NECESSARY) operating cost increases been from 07 -Present? ( I am not asking to factor in  Pay Raises and Bonuses ,but they of course DO factor into the increase.)

Would COMPLETELY AGREE the cost of EVERYTHING has gone up.   I still maintain.. If your cable gets ridiculously high , you have alternative choices, you can make CUTS .  Same is true for Telephone , or use of your Automobile, Cuts can be made to reduce expenses.  To a tiny (very tiny)degree  use of electricity can save a couple of bucks.

Bottom line.. I live in the same house I lived in in 2006. Now it has a more efficient A/C Heating System than when I first moved in... Changing that out  reduced the monthly bill... my electric AVERAGE during Spring /Summer /Fall  Rarely cost me 120.00 /month.  Cold Weather and the use of heating , as for everyone raised this somewhat but ,even so I never (until this year) had a heating bill that EXCEEDED 200.00 /month.  This past month, my light bill was a shade over $300.00 yet there is still just me and I still use the same average ( actually just a little less kwh than one year ago)  

My opinion is the increase has a little to do with fuel cost, some to do with taxes and MUCH to do with some of the higher-end salaries at JEA.  If someone would like to , or has a way to break down JEA's actual costs  I am open to listening .. Until then, I maintain they are a R I P O F F ! ! !

Wasn't the reason the bill was much cheaper back then because the previous CEO did some tinkering with the rates and used up all the reserve cash till it ran out?  Something like JEA was operating at a loss for a few years because the previous CEO was afraid to raise rates.  

I think someone here mentioned something about that.

[Timkin]

Possibly.  Can that be proven?