Jax Beach will restrict alcohol sales

[tufsu1]

I'd be happy to, if you hadn't deleted at least two of the comments in question as I was in the process of quoting them.

As usual, Tufsu;

glad you used the Pinocchio reference...because I am not one who deletes my posts from 2 years ago...in fact, I rarely bother to go back and search the old archives....

even more incriminating is the fact that I was away from a computer from 4pm until 9:30pm tonight....and was attending a reception from 5:30 to 7:30 (which was attended by the Jax. Beach Planning Director btw)....so perhaps that makes you the one stretching the truth?

[tufsu1]

Well, well, well...

Lo and behold Tufsu, after running to delete your incriminating posts about how downtown's ass-raping parking policies are just awesome and the downtown businesses ought to just suck it up, it turns out that you forgot to delete one before I could quote it;

free parking is not the long-term answer....I can show you many succesful downtowns that have parking meters....the thing to do would be for businesses to provide vouchers for up to 2 hours in a parking garage.....now that idea has been tried elsewhere and it works!

Brilliant post!

Yes, that could happen. Or, back on earth, the businesses could all just leave. Which is what actually happened.

please help me understand how this can be interpreted as me saying that businesses don't care about the cost of parking and are fine paying for it.

[fieldafm]

The way I see it, you have two choices in life... sit around and bitch, or do something about it.  I'm about as sarcastic as they come, but I'm not a complainer. 

HEY! Wake up! your child is going to be living in the community that you chose not to get involved in because you were to busy........ Think about it.

I 100% agree with this statement.
Instead of stewing in your own disgust, go out and make it happen.

But the fact is that people here by-and-large want to be left alone and not disturbed. Which is cool - but it's not what a lot of us are looking for.

Hate to tell you, but there are very few places in this country that have a high concentration of an activist community.  About 95% of the places in the ol US of A, you're going to find that the majority of a community's citizens are going to be just as indifferent. 

Fieldafm, yeah, there's stuff to do - but what a lot of us in my age group and of a similar mindset are looking for is a walkable, vibrant urban environment like you'd find in Chicago, or San Francisco, or New York, or Atlanta, or... numerous other places. Jacksonville doesn't have it, hasn't had it for a long time, and doesn't look like it's heading in that direction. So people (like me) looking for a cool place to live move on, and people looking for a cheap, quiet place to live, gravitate towards Jacksonville, and you end up with more of the same.

I'm in your age group as well so I understand where you are coming from.  I could see myself living in about 5 other places than Jax.  I actually lived in one of those places at one time.  But I very much believe in the greatness of Jacksonville.  I fell in love with this city and have a very profound sense of belonging while sitting under an oak tree along the banks of the St Johns River.  The sun kisses my skin in the morning, and I know I have made the right choice to stay here and try to make this city realize its potential.  I'm very bullish on Jacksonville's future.  I gotta tell you, a lot of smart people I have known throughout life felt the same way you do and left for greener pastures, only to conclude that they didn't realize how good they had it here.  A lot of people left and never looked back, truth be told... but I challenge you to stay.  There is nothing more fulfilling than working for a greater cause and the sense of fulfillment when your actions directly lead to a positive impact in your community.  In Jacksonville, you have a unique opportunity to experience that in a way you could not in other metropolitan areas.  You simply could not effect real change in a place like San Francisco.  Here you can.

I'm officially never coming back to NE FL.  I can't be around such blatant stupidity.

Simms buddy, I don't know who pissed in your cheerios this morning... but sit down and take a deep breath, lol.

I think you're spot on about your height restriction rants, however.  I was a beaches resident at the time of this ordinance and was vehemently opposed to the matter.  Now, 5 years later public officials are on record as saying that they did not realize that the dense development projects they so wanted would be negatively effected by said height restriction measures.  The same thing is going to happen with this alcohol restriction.  Jax Beach was an absolute shithole for most of my life.  It's now a growing community b/c of the bars and restaurants and the resulting commerce, but trying to legislate your way into being Fort Walton Beach is going to bite you in the end.

[ChriswUfGator]

I'd be happy to, if you hadn't deleted at least two of the comments in question as I was in the process of quoting them.

As usual, Tufsu;

glad you used the Pinocchio reference...because I am not one who deletes my posts from 2 years ago...in fact, I rarely bother to go back and search the old archives....

even more incriminating is the fact that I was away from a computer from 4pm until 9:30pm tonight....and was attending a reception from 5:30 to 7:30 (which was attended by the Jax. Beach Planning Director btw)....so perhaps that makes you the one stretching the truth?

Hey, you asked me to find where you said that, so I searched. Now you blame me for searching?

And you deleted the posts around 2-something, I just didn't get around to replying in the thread until 4.

[ChriswUfGator]

Well, well, well...

Lo and behold Tufsu, after running to delete your incriminating posts about how downtown's ass-raping parking policies are just awesome and the downtown businesses ought to just suck it up, it turns out that you forgot to delete one before I could quote it;

free parking is not the long-term answer....I can show you many succesful downtowns that have parking meters....the thing to do would be for businesses to provide vouchers for up to 2 hours in a parking garage.....now that idea has been tried elsewhere and it works!

Brilliant post!

Yes, that could happen. Or, back on earth, the businesses could all just leave. Which is what actually happened.

please help me understand how this can be interpreted as me saying that businesses don't care about the cost of parking and are fine paying for it.

So you didn't say that there should be no free parking, and that businesses should simply subsidize garage passes for the customers to make up for it? Is that not what you said? Lol...

You know this kind of silly denial of reality despite being confronted with the facts, you're starting to remind me of Baghdad Bob. Not that this tactic worked out any better for him than it is for you.

Here's a pic of Tufsu at his night job;

[tufsu1]

wow Chris...so mature!

[Ocklawaha]

Why not Jaxson?

We successfully destroyed what would-have-been "HOLLYWOOD JACKSONVILLE..." because the film crews were rowdy and didn't always tell the city they were filming. In a procedure obsessed "Duke's of Hazard," culture allowing aliens on the beach might be too much to ask.

We've also happily surrendered our financial capital of Florida status to every small town and flashing light in the highway to our south.

We allowed the Tenneco and Westinghouse, to leave town after they had invested millions in an aborted Nuke Industry project. Meanwhile Westinghouse has gone on to build a new plant in Austin, Texas, and as far away as China.  Meanwhile Tenneco with 80 manufacturing plants around the globe announced the opening of a new manufacturing plant in India, and has expanded the Hartwell, Georgia plant by 200 jobs.

We drove the retail business out of downtown with punitive inventory taxes, and ridiculous parking fees and fines.

We let Amtrak close all of it's downtown operations in 1974, then watched as they closed their most productive reservations center.

...And then there was Sealand, Fruehauf, Jacksonville Shipyards, and a couple of paper mills.

So yeah Jaxson, WHY NOT?

When Jacksonville and it's beaches have driven the last business, and the last person to Orlando, maybe Florida could declare Duval a STATE HISTORIC PARK... On the other hand, forget I said that, the new governor would veto it.

OCKLAWAHA

[fieldafm]

To the point that people my age get frustrated and leave the city.  I truly think a new brand of leaders recognize this point.  That is why it is so critical that the involvement of my generation comes to the forefront in this city.

Heck we had a mayoral candidate that ran b/c he was inspired to stop the 'brain drain' in his own family as he was tired of his daughters leaving for greener pastures. 

Even in the newest Civic Council white paper you see this exerpt:

Downtown is essential to the attraction of many young people, who are actively seekingto live in dense, mixed-use communities which don’t require cars, and shops,residences, parks and businesses exist close together.  These are mostly well educatedand professional, a growing set of workers upon which competitive cities rely andflourish.  Making downtown attractive to this important demographic segment is critical tothe economic and intellectual growth of our city.7

The time is now, the choice is yours.  I urge you to become part of the solution.

[duvaldude08]

I have noticed Jacksonville Beach is VERY resistant to change. I remember one time where the residents said, " We dont want it to turn into Miami Beach." WHY NOT??!?? Atleast the city of Jacksonville itself is making SOME strides and that we realize we have to change and we need catalyst for change (Audrey Moran for Mayor! )

[arb]

I have noticed Jacksonville Beach is VERY resistant to change. I remember one time where the residents said, " We dont want it to turn into Miami Beach." WHY NOT??!?? Atleast the city of Jacksonville itself is making SOME strides and that we realize we have to change and we need catalyst for change (Audrey Moran for Mayor! )

+1000

[pwhitford]

To quote: "I think you're spot on about your height restriction rants, however.  I was a beaches resident at the time of this ordinance and was vehemently opposed to the matter.  Now, 5 years later public officials are on record as saying that they did not realize that the dense development projects they so wanted would be negatively effected by said height restriction measures."

My question: Have they been repealed?  Has anyone said, "Wow, that was a mistake.  We better change it."  Has anyone done anything with this new found enlightenment?  If not, I would question whether anyone has really learned anything, or whether anything has really, substantively changed.

[Bativac]

Fieldafm, yeah, there's stuff to do - but what a lot of us in my age group and of a similar mindset are looking for is a walkable, vibrant urban environment like you'd find in Chicago, or San Francisco, or New York, or Atlanta, or... numerous other places. Jacksonville doesn't have it, hasn't had it for a long time, and doesn't look like it's heading in that direction. So people (like me) looking for a cool place to live move on, and people looking for a cheap, quiet place to live, gravitate towards Jacksonville, and you end up with more of the same.

I'm in your age group as well so I understand where you are coming from.  I could see myself living in about 5 other places than Jax.  I actually lived in one of those places at one time.  But I very much believe in the greatness of Jacksonville.  I fell in love with this city and have a very profound sense of belonging while sitting under an oak tree along the banks of the St Johns River.  The sun kisses my skin in the morning, and I know I have made the right choice to stay here and try to make this city realize its potential.  I'm very bullish on Jacksonville's future.  I gotta tell you, a lot of smart people I have known throughout life felt the same way you do and left for greener pastures, only to conclude that they didn't realize how good they had it here.  A lot of people left and never looked back, truth be told... but I challenge you to stay.  There is nothing more fulfilling than working for a greater cause and the sense of fulfillment when your actions directly lead to a positive impact in your community.  In Jacksonville, you have a unique opportunity to experience that in a way you could not in other metropolitan areas.  You simply could not effect real change in a place like San Francisco.  Here you can.

Field, I see what you're saying. But I'm looking at this city from the perspective of someone whose grandparents were either born and raised here or who came here very young. My parents were born and raised here. I was born and raised here. So there are generations of "Jacksonville blood" in my veins. My family has always been active locally, either in politics or running their own businesses here in town. We've always supported the city. But nothing has improved, in the long run, as far as the development of a vibrant urban area. At some point, you (or me, anyway) get tired of working for a greater cause - I want to succeed at things in life and meet personal goals that don't involve trying to change some councilman's mind about a street running past a courthouse, or arguing with residents of downtown buildings built next to nightclubs.

Not to mention, my wife is not from here and has zero attachment to this place. She's from Italy and has lived all over the US. She's ready to go at the drop of a hat.

To counter your point about people you've known who left for greener pastures and didn't realize what they had... I know a number of people who got out, never looked back, and have had successful and enriching lives.

It's not that I hate Jacksonville. It's that Jacksonville is like an alcoholic uncle or drug addicted brother (I've had both) - it doesn't seem to want to help itself. And if that's the case, there's nothing you can do for it.

[Captain Zissou]

I received an email from someone yesterday and I replied that I couldn't do something at the time because I received 3-4 hours of sleep a night and that my life was in warp speed and in no indication of slowing down anytime soon.  Well this is typical for people in most places, but in Jax it's like people sleep 20 hours a day and go to First Baptist the other 4 hours of the day (oh and they fit in some fried food in there too).  At the beaches I guess they sleep 20 hours, wake and bake, surf for a couple hours, put down some brewskis (while it's light out?), and go back to sleep.

Whoaaa dude.  Relax.  I know you're some hot shot Johnny up in ATL, but you do realize the rest of us live in Jax??  Try not to collectively shoot down the entire city that helped you become who you are.  I know most of us are do nothing, lazy, failures, but please respect those that aren't. 

[peestandingup]

I received an email from someone yesterday and I replied that I couldn't do something at the time because I received 3-4 hours of sleep a night and that my life was in warp speed and in no indication of slowing down anytime soon.  Well this is typical for people in most places, but in Jax it's like people sleep 20 hours a day and go to First Baptist the other 4 hours of the day (oh and they fit in some fried food in there too).  At the beaches I guess they sleep 20 hours, wake and bake, surf for a couple hours, put down some brewskis (while it's light out?), and go back to sleep.

Whoaaa dude.  Relax.  I know you're some hot shot Johnny up in ATL, but you do realize the rest of us live in Jax??  Try not to collectively shoot down the entire city that helped you become who you are.  I know most of us are do nothing, lazy, failures, but please respect those that aren't. 

Oh, he lives in Atlanta?? I don't think he's ever mentioned that. Nope. 

[simms3]

Whoaaa nelly, try not to take it so personally