Educational Photo Thread About SKYWAYS - STREETCARS and JTA HISTORY

[Ocklawaha]

This should be fun and it might point out why I hold our "authority" in such contempt. Each photo will have a quote from JTA (and to be fair) COJ officials and the photo will illustrate the obvious absurdity or incongruity of their statements. Ever get the feeling that for all their engineering skill, some of these guys just walked out of a tobacco barn?

JTA - "STREETCARS must operate in the street and compete with automobile traffic."


JTA - "Bus Rapid Transit will offer uniquely enhanced stations."


JCCI - "Streetcars are slow."

* 1930, a race was organized between a Red Devil (electric rail car) and a plane. The result was that the interurban car ran at 97.9  mph, soundly beating the early aircraft flying above.  Another car outdistanced a race car by 15 lengths in a race held on the National Road between Springfield and Columbus, Ohio. Another Red Devil car hit 101 mph at Columbus Grove.

JTA - "Bus Rapid Transit will bring a level of comfort not seen in Jacksonville before."


JCCI - "Automated Rubber Tired People Movers (today's Skyway) have a higher capacity then trolleys"


JCCI - "Streetcars are old technology, we'd rather have the APM (Skyway).


JTA - "With queue jumper lanes our Bus Rapid Transit will have a unique advantage "


JTA - "The people hate Light Rail, they want more Bus Rapid Transit."

* Photo: Opening day of Seattle's new Streetcar

JTA - "Bus Rapid Transit can leave the street and run on it's own (pavement) right-of-way, this makes it uniquely suited to Jacksonville."


JTA - "Bus-rapid transit is also far more flexible than rail transit."

* Streetcars can go in the street, above it, under it, along side it, or in the median, or on private railroad trackage, BRT can only go on pavement.

JTA - "It's a quality of life issue, wouldn't you want a bus to come right to your door?"


"Bus Rapid Transit is a pioneer in REAL TIME INFORMATION."  

OCKLAWAHA

[peestandingup]

This is awesome, dude. And just shows how ignorant some of these people in charge of this stuff are around here. Then their comments just get quoted in some paper without getting fact-checked & trickle down to the rest of the uninformed population, thus getting them support for their own ridiculous notions.

"This town needs an enema!" -Jack Nicholson as The Joker

[Ocklawaha]

This is awesome, dude. And just shows how ignorant some of these people in charge of this stuff are around here. Then their comments just get quoted in some paper without getting fact-checked & trickle down to the rest of the uninformed population, thus getting them support for their own ridiculous notions.

"This town needs an enema!" -Jack Nicholson as The Joker

I agree with The Joker, but where would we stick the hose?

OCKLAWAHA

[peestandingup]

This is awesome, dude. And just shows how ignorant some of these people in charge of this stuff are around here. Then their comments just get quoted in some paper without getting fact-checked & trickle down to the rest of the uninformed population, thus getting them support for their own ridiculous notions.

"This town needs an enema!" -Jack Nicholson as The Joker

I agree with The Joker, but where would we stick the hose?

OCKLAWAHA

Hmm, maybe the insertion point could be around Southside??

[dougskiles]

This is awesome, dude. And just shows how ignorant some of these people in charge of this stuff are around here. Then their comments just get quoted in some paper without getting fact-checked & trickle down to the rest of the uninformed population, thus getting them support for their own ridiculous notions.

"This town needs an enema!" -Jack Nicholson as The Joker

I agree with The Joker, but where would we stick the hose?

OCKLAWAHA

Hmm, maybe the insertion point could be around Southside??

or Blanding Blvd

[Ocklawaha]

I was actually thinking about 150' west of Myrtle Avenue at a point about 1/2 block north of Bay.

Somebody is bound to ask, those white flags flapping along in front of that Red Devil-Airplane photo is "railroad speak," for an unscheduled run a.k.a. white flags indicate EXTRA _____ fill in the number and direction.

OCKLAWAHA

[stjr]

Ock, you have me fully convinced.  Drop the Skyway and BRT and go full bore with light rail and streetcars.  They can do anything the Skyway and BRT do, just far better! 

[Timkin]

JCCI - Just can't contain intellegence

[fsujax]

well, at least we have some at JTA who have a newer way of thinking! there may be hope.

[Garden guy]

America was bamboozled way back by the car manufacturers and oil companies..our cities have been built around car not trains...once we change the way we develop our space we'll be able to put transportation into a public realm and not so much in the private realm.

[Timkin]

Agree GG.. If we , meaning Florida, and Jacksonville had decent reliable modes of transportation other than those Oh-so-reliable-diesel-guzzling-stinky-bus thingys to connect me in various areas of the city and Statewide , Id be far more inclined to park the car.. I really don't love driving anymore .

[Garden guy]

Heck i'd love to maybe have a weekend home near the springs if there were some regular train service throughout the state..it only makes sense and it completely give us more options. the train models of england and europe are great starts for us but it seems that our leaders don't care about looking at others for idea.

[Timkin]

Well... our esteemed Governor made doing this even more difficult. I cannot belive this IDIOT was elected.

[Ocklawaha]

well, at least we have some at JTA who have a newer way of thinking! there may be hope.

AMEN BROTHER! And THANK GOD we have them in place today.

OCKLAWAHA

[BrSpiritus]

Here's a beautification project I could really get behind...