A Tale of Two Beers

Gonzo · January 20, 2011, 08:26:39 PM

Quote from: tarheels86 on January 20, 2011, 04:32:20 PM

Mmm it would depend on the bar's distributor as I doubt all Guinness in the US is from Canada. Some is probably brewed in the US for all I know!

But by your logic there are 100 types of Budweiser since it is brewed in 100 different locations worldwide with different water tables.

So yes water makes a difference, but not so much in mass produced beer.

Case in point, I grew up in St. Louis, in the shadow of the big boy on the block. When I moved here to Florida -- before I discoverd craft beers -- I noticed a HUGE difference in the Busch beer brewed here and the Busch brewed in St. Louis. The Busch here was harsher, more biter, and less sweet than the same ber in St. Louis. Turns out that AB knew that this was an issue and tried trucking in water, building a pipeline, and a number of other solutions. None worked.

Your contention that Guinness brewed in Canada is the same as that brewed in Ireland is preposterous. There are a number of websites that docment people saying just waht I have said; Guinness from Ireland and Guinness from anywhere else is NOT the same.

Not to mention that Guinness brewed for sale in the United States is Pasturized! That changes the flavor, too...

jcjohnpaint · January 20, 2011, 10:30:54 PM

hello,
If anyone knows where you can find Three Floyds Dark Lord Russion Imperial please let me know.
Thanks

Gonzo · January 21, 2011, 07:10:00 AM

Quote from: jcjohnpaint on January 20, 2011, 10:30:54 PM
If anyone knows where you can find Three Floyds Dark Lord Russion Imperial please let me know.

Have you tried Total Wine in the St. John's Town Center? They have one of the largest selections of beer in the city.

Bativac · January 21, 2011, 09:42:08 AM

Thanks for the pointers, guys. I am heading out tomorrow to track down a couple of these beers and will report back with my thoughts.

I managed to get into the world of cheese and the land of coffee. I would hate to be missing something magical in the realm of beer...!

jcjohnpaint · January 21, 2011, 10:10:57 AM

Gonzo I have and thank you, but they do not have that one. It is really a tough one to find because it is really limited, but I heard it is the best. I wasn't sure by some small chance someone might have it as well. ....also for all Imperial or Stout fan check out Lion Stout!

Captain Zissou · January 21, 2011, 11:15:06 AM

QuoteYour contention that Guinness brewed in Canada is the same as that brewed in Ireland is preposterous. There are a number of websites that docment people saying just waht I have said; Guinness from Ireland and Guinness from anywhere else is NOT the same.

Most people use beer to solve problems, you're using it to start problems. Nice

Gonzo · January 21, 2011, 12:24:37 PM

Quote from: Captain Zissou on January 21, 2011, 11:15:06 AM
QuoteYour contention that Guinness brewed in Canada is the same as that brewed in Ireland is preposterous. There are a number of websites that docment people saying just waht I have said; Guinness from Ireland and Guinness from anywhere else is NOT the same.

Most people use beer to solve problems, you're using it to start problems. Nice

Sorry Captain, but that is most certainly not the intent. The intent of the column is to educate people about beer in an entertaining way. The comments made about Guinness being the same here or in Ireland were wrong and I was merely pointing that out. Much like Tarheel pointed out his take on the article.

Now, can we get back to talking about beer and not make a big deal out of this? I sure would appreciate it.

fieldafm · January 21, 2011, 01:56:22 PM

I'll be at kickbacks tonight... lets get together and have a full on beer-off. Who's down?

Gonzo · January 21, 2011, 02:02:02 PM

Hmmm... Will have to see what is on the calendar... But, that is a definite possibility!

fieldafm · January 21, 2011, 02:09:31 PM

BTW Kickbacks is having two beer dinners coming up in the next couple of months... one of which is Cigar City (YUM!!!!!!!!!!!!) and supposedly they will be doing a special bourbon barrel Cigar City beer for the event.

Beer Off 2011, tonight, whats up?!?!?!

Gonzo · January 21, 2011, 02:23:36 PM

Yeah, I talked to Steve last week about that. There's even the possibility of a rather big player doing a dinner soon. Fingers crossed!

tarheels86 · January 21, 2011, 04:14:57 PM

Quote from: Gonzo on January 21, 2011, 07:10:00 AM
Quote from: jcjohnpaint on January 20, 2011, 10:30:54 PM
If anyone knows where you can find Three Floyds Dark Lord Russion Imperial please let me know.

Have you tried Total Wine in the St. John's Town Center? They have one of the largest selections of beer in the city.

LOL sorry.....Dark Lord i s only for sale at FFF on April 24th each year on Dark Lord day. There's not much of a limit of how much you can purchase so many of them go up on eBay or traded on ratebeer or BeerAdvocate. Since, no offense, I doubt you have any beers that people would give up a DL for, your best bet is eBay. If you've never had it before, just buy a 2009 or 2010 version (white or green wax respectively). They will be about $50-$70 per 22oz.

Captain Zissou · January 21, 2011, 04:23:59 PM

What is a Beer Off? Depending on what it is, I might be interested.

tarheels86 · January 21, 2011, 04:24:51 PM

Quote from: Captain Zissou on January 21, 2011, 11:15:06 AM
QuoteYour contention that Guinness brewed in Canada is the same as that brewed in Ireland is preposterous. There are a number of websites that docment people saying just waht I have said; Guinness from Ireland and Guinness from anywhere else is NOT the same.

Most people use beer to solve problems, you're using it to start problems. Nice

Who cares- we are debating, which is nice. Gonzo- I am going to just say here that you are flat out wrong. There is no way there is a special "pasteurized" Guinness for the US/Canada while the beer for the EU is not. If you can show me real articles, I will listen. But just because you read things on the internet doesn't mean they are true. Your logic that they taste different is sound, but that doesn't mean whatsoever that the recipe is different or that one is super heated and one is not. All Guinness draught is pasteurized. Guinness at St James Gate is a very much operational brewery that has a massive barrel output and exports all over the world. I don't know for a fact if Guinness in the US is brewed in Canada, but assumed you were correct. But I am having a hard time finding this from a respected source.

From the Guinness website under FAQs:

Q: Is it true that you get a much better pint of GUINNESSÂ® stout in Ireland?
A: GUINNESSÂ® is GUINNESSÂ® - wherever you are. We always use pure, fresh water from natural local sources for the GUINNESSÂ® stout brewed outside Ireland. That said, in blind tests (with a bunch of highly cynical journalists) none of our sample could tell the difference between Irish-brewed GUINNESSÂ® and the locally produced variety. All the GUINNESSÂ® sold in the UK, Ireland and North America is brewed in Ireland at the historic St. James's Gate Brewery in Dublin.

tarheels86 · January 21, 2011, 04:29:39 PM

Quote from: stephendare on January 21, 2011, 04:22:53 PM
Quote from: tarheels86 on January 21, 2011, 04:14:57 PM
Quote from: Gonzo on January 21, 2011, 07:10:00 AM
Quote from: jcjohnpaint on January 20, 2011, 10:30:54 PM
If anyone knows where you can find Three Floyds Dark Lord Russion Imperial please let me know.

Have you tried Total Wine in the St. John's Town Center? They have one of the largest selections of beer in the city.

LOL sorry.....Dark Lord i s only for sale at FFF on April 24th each year on Dark Lord day. There's not much of a limit of how much you can purchase so many of them go up on eBay or traded on ratebeer or BeerAdvocate. Since, no offense, I doubt you have any beers that people would give up a DL for, your best bet is eBay. If you've never had it before, just buy a 2009 or 2010 version (white or green wax respectively). They will be about $50-$70 per 22oz.

seriously? why? Whats the deal with Dark Lord? And what on earth is FFF?

FFF is shorthand for Three Floyds Brewery in Munster, Indiana outside Chicago. Why? Because tons of breweries do at-the-brewery-only releases. One of the reasons is because dickheads would just buy an entire bottle shop out of their stock and hoard it for themselves. No one would get to try it. Brewery only releases with a bottle limit is the only way for rare, sought after beers to be fairly distributed to as many hardcore beer geeks as possible. Now some people show up to these releases to re-sell on eBay and make big money. I hate these people and think they should die, but that's just my opinion. Hey, it helps people who don't want to experience Dark Lord day and meet awesome people try the beer at an obscenely marked up price.