JSO Shoots Unarmed Fleeing Man in the Back

[duvaldude08]

A. He only got shot once

B. What were they supposed to do? They dude started a chase, backed into the cops car and took off running. He could have been DANGEROUS. Were they supposed to just let him go? What if he was armed and broke into someones house and took them hostage? They had no choice but to fire. In this situation that was truly a last resort. He was asked to stop and didn't point blank!

C. This guy is a f@#king idiot. He had no weapons or drugs on him, but he yet he was fleeing. Maybe he had a warrant? But come on even if he did, he just made the situation worse. IMO, its the guys fault for being such a jack ass.

Your points A and B highlight the problem.

They shot at him 8 times, 7 live rounds missed. This occurred in a residential neighborhood. What's more dangerous, an unarmed man running away, or firing 7 live rounds into a residential neighborhood?

That is the point. It is a two fold situation. Shoot or let him run away and possibly harm someone. They had no idea what he was capable of.

[ChriswUfGator]

A. He only got shot once

B. What were they supposed to do? They dude started a chase, backed into the cops car and took off running. He could have been DANGEROUS. Were they supposed to just let him go? What if he was armed and broke into someones house and took them hostage? They had no choice but to fire. In this situation that was truly a last resort. He was asked to stop and didn't point blank!

C. This guy is a f@#king idiot. He had no weapons or drugs on him, but he yet he was fleeing. Maybe he had a warrant? But come on even if he did, he just made the situation worse. IMO, its the guys fault for being such a jack ass.

Your points A and B highlight the problem.

They shot at him 8 times, 7 live rounds missed. This occurred in a residential neighborhood. What's more dangerous, an unarmed man running away, or firing 7 live rounds into a residential neighborhood?

That is the point. It is a two fold situation. Shoot or let him run away and possibly harm someone. They had no idea what he was capable of.

You're evading the point.

The cops fired 7 live rounds into a residential neighborhood. JSO itself was the greater threat to public safety.

[duvaldude08]

^^^^But yet had they let him go, and he killed somone innocent, we would have blamed JSO then too. How many time have you seen a fleeing criminal take some hostage? you guys are pathetic. I have not agreed with anything they have done over the past few years, but this is the one time I feel they didnt have a choice.

[duvaldude08]

Hey Stephen, we are all entitled to our opinon, and this time my just so happens to be the minority. LOL

[ChriswUfGator]

^^^^But yet had they let him go, and he killed somone innocent, we would have blamed JSO then too. How many time have you seen a fleeing criminal take some hostage? you guys are pathetic. I have not agreed with anything they have done over the past few years, but this is the one time I feel they didnt have a choice.

Your absurd "what if's" are irrelevant. JSO actually fired 7 stray live rounds into a residential neighborhood.

That's what actually (not hypothetically) happened. So what's your point? To prevent someone from maybe possibly shooting up a neighborhood (which was impossible since he was unarmed anyway), it's OK for JSO to preemptively shoot up the neighborhood? You must realize how absurd you sound.

[uptowngirl]

Stephen what do you mean by class?

[uptowngirl]

Stephen what do you mean by class?

The Law Enforcement Class.  They have different rights than the rest of us, and operate with different laws.

So I personally know this first hand, and this is absolutely 100% true. Although, I am not sure how it applies to this instance :-)

[duvaldude08]

Hey Stephen, we are all entitled to our opinon, and this time my just so happens to be the minority. LOL

Absolutely.  Not disagreeing with the person, just the opinion!

[duvaldude08]

^^^^But yet had they let him go, and he killed somone innocent, we would have blamed JSO then too. How many time have you seen a fleeing criminal take some hostage? you guys are pathetic. I have not agreed with anything they have done over the past few years, but this is the one time I feel they didnt have a choice.

Your absurd "what if's" are irrelevant. JSO actually fired 7 stray live rounds into a residential neighborhood.

That's what actually (not hypothetically) happened. So what's your point? To prevent someone from maybe possibly shooting up a neighborhood (which was impossible since he was unarmed anyway), it's OK for JSO to preemptively shoot up the neighborhood? You must realize how absurd you sound.

Well the possiabilty of 7 stray bullets hitting someone is a "what if" scenerio also. I am right? So everything we are debating are "what if" scenerios, so what are you saying? Really???

Ok folk. Let's do it this way. What do you think they should have done? Everyone says what theyve done wrong, but nobody have has said what would have been the better way. Let me know where yall are coming from. Personally Im looking at it from all prespectives as far as what JSO did, versus what could have happen if they didnt.

[uptowngirl]

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/crimestoppers/news-article.aspx?storyid=183000&catid=69

[ChriswUfGator]

^^^^But yet had they let him go, and he killed somone innocent, we would have blamed JSO then too. How many time have you seen a fleeing criminal take some hostage? you guys are pathetic. I have not agreed with anything they have done over the past few years, but this is the one time I feel they didnt have a choice.

Your absurd "what if's" are irrelevant. JSO actually fired 7 stray live rounds into a residential neighborhood.

That's what actually (not hypothetically) happened. So what's your point? To prevent someone from maybe possibly shooting up a neighborhood (which was impossible since he was unarmed anyway), it's OK for JSO to preemptively shoot up the neighborhood? You must realize how absurd you sound.

Well the possiabilty of 7 stray bullets hitting someone is a "what if" scenerio also. I am right? So everything we are debating are "what if" scenerios.

No "what if's" involved in my analysis at all, unless you're arguing that 7 stray bullets flying through a residential neighborhood isn't a dangerous situation? Because that is an actual, real, dangerous situation that JSO created, while all of your "what if's" about the fleeing man are just "what if's." He certainly couldn't have created any more of a dangerous situation than JSO did, since he was unarmed.

[uptowngirl]

When officers are fired upon driving down the road, why should anyone expect them not to be overprepared to protect themselves? Where is the neighborhood outcry over this incident?

[north miami]

A. He only got shot once

B.

They shot at him 8 times, 7 live rounds missed. This occurred in a residential neighborhood. What's more dangerous, an unarmed man running away, or firing 7 live rounds into a residential neighborhood?

You're evading the point.

The cops fired 7 live rounds into a residential neighborhood. JSO itself was the greater threat to public safety.

In the Lambs episode two bullets passed through the suspect and sailed along about thirty feet.....to my office!!
One lodged in a shingle just above a large slide window next to my desk and the other remains unrecovered,entombed in the building.
That by the way was accurate shooting- four rapid shots in a group about the size of a dinner plate.Had the suspect not gone down he was headed for my office front door.Angela Corey appeared on scene and noted the potential for hostage situation.I don't think I could manage such a tight group myself .......
None of this would have happened had the siuspect be sequestered previously for his long list of previous unlawful acts.

Stephen I agree with you about the law enforcement culture and potential for abuse.In this instance it was clear the erroneous assumptions lodged at JSO were quickly disproven thanks in part to the fact it was all on film but I will never forget the relief shown collectively by JSO over the fact that it was all on tape.....and that the suspect was not black.

[ChriswUfGator]

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/crimestoppers/news-article.aspx?storyid=183000&catid=69

Now THAT is a situation calling for use of deadly force. If the cop had opened fire on the vehicle that shot at him instead of taking cover and discontinuing the chase I would've been thinking "good job." That said, he did the prudent thing and discontinued escalating a firefight and high speed chase in the middle of a residential neighborhood. That is a great cop, and a wise decision. The safety of not only himself but of everyone in the neighborhood around him was more important than recreating the wild west. No doubt they'll catch the thugs, I'm sure he got a plate number.

But that has no bearing to this case, this guy was unarmed and just ran away after having already dropped the only thing that could have been confused as a gun. He never fired on anyone.

[ChriswUfGator]

When officers are fired upon driving down the road, why should anyone expect them not to be overprepared to protect themselves? Where is the neighborhood outcry over this incident?

That incident has little relation to this one.

And just because someone shot at a cop on Monday doesn't give JSO the right to start mowing people down on Tuesday because it might happen again. They know it is a dangerous job when they sign up for it, this shouldn't come as a surprise to them, nor is it any excuse for subsequent uses of excessive force.