A Vision For The Shipyards

Started by Metro Jacksonville, November 18, 2010, 06:17:54 AM

vicupstate

Quote from: Overstreet on November 18, 2010, 09:28:29 AM
Quote from: thelakelander on November 18, 2010, 08:17:21 AM
At some point it will be.  Its been around since the 1960s and eventually we're going to have to replace it or take it down. Considering the I-95 Overland Bridge replacement project is pushing $200 million and the Hart Bridge ramps carry little traffic, I can't imagine anyone wanting to drop that type of dime on a new structure.

Well not exactly since the 60's......the jail and police building were built around 1989. It replaced the previous building and the Jail annex across the street next to the old courthouse.

I think he was referring to the ramps. 

They do need to go.  They need to be just long enough to do the elevation job needed.  Bypassing the sports district totally by ramp is a terrible idea. IMO.   
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thelakelander

Quote from: Overstreet on November 18, 2010, 09:28:29 AM
Quote from: thelakelander on November 18, 2010, 08:17:21 AM
At some point it will be.  Its been around since the 1960s and eventually we're going to have to replace it or take it down. Considering the I-95 Overland Bridge replacement project is pushing $200 million and the Hart Bridge ramps carry little traffic, I can't imagine anyone wanting to drop that type of dime on a new structure.

Well not exactly since the 60's......the jail and police building were built around 1989. It replaced the previous building and the Jail annex across the street next to the old courthouse.

I was talking about the Hart Bridge ramps.
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Coolyfett

I agree with Jeff...man these ideas kinda suck...looking at the pics I cant not tell what they are trying to do. The footbridge is a terrible idea...did they forget about boats?!? Removing builds cost money. The first idea might be the best, but every thing is lil league & totally unsexy. This the best they got? stupid parks & trees?

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Coolyfett

Quote from: I-10east on November 18, 2010, 09:45:44 AM
IMO Project 4 is a disaster. Why move all of those important municipal buildings esp. JSO? What's the purpose of tearing down existing infastructure (Hart Bridge ramp). There's plenty of land in Jax's DT to grab instead of a relatively short stretch of land underneath a high clearance four lane feeder artery.

These concepts are stupid! Why are people praising this mess? I hate them. Do something better already. They took adventage of the overpass in in Riverside, yet the overpass over Shipyards needs to come down for greenspace? lol stop it. Where is the appeal? You think Betty sue from Mandarin is coming to the Shipyard for greenspace??  I dont know why this school made these boring ass ideas. They are a waste of time!
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mbstout

I like Project 3 the best as well.  But i think that demolishing the jail and moving the Police HQ elsewhere and renovating that building (which isn't that bad!) plus an addition into a new convention center (maybe by the Danish architect Bjarke Ingles??) would be FANTASTIC!  Of course, opening up Hogan's Creek and demolishing the Hart feeder ramps are obvious choices to make.

SMoody84

When I first read this, I was wondering why they would remove the Hart Bridge Expressway.. but then I thought about it, and no one really uses them (and they're old!).  Jax would be better suited to remove it than replace it.  I'd rather drive down bay street/everbank field drive anyways!

Love the idea of running the skyway through there, and continuing on to the stadium complex too.

fsujax

I am really curious to see what people's thoughts are on adding more park space Downtown. I guess for me, it needs to be active park space. The greenspace along the river is nice, but how much is too much? I really think the site needs to become a draw, not sure park space alone will do it.

Captain Zissou

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I like a combination of the first 3.  I'd love to connect Hogan's Creek to the river more and add green space around it.  I don't think the riverfront needs to have that much park space, as long as it is accessible by the public.  

As for the pedestrian bridge, I think it's a great idea, but unfeasible due to costs.  Based on the shape, I think the students might have been thinking of a bridge designed by Wilkinson Eyre that opens up like an eye.  The span rotates so that the center  point (where the bridge turns in the image) is elevated high above the river.  This would be awesome and a signature piece for downtown, but way too expensive.

Captain Zissou



The bridge I was referring to is the Gateshead Millennium bridge.

Bike Jax

It would be nice to see a portion of the Hart Bridge somehow opened to bicycle/ped access. That would save some serious miles off a trip from Arlington to downtown.

I-10east

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Quote from: Captain Zissou on November 18, 2010, 12:28:14 PM
The bridge I was referring to is the Gateshead Millennium bridge.

Okay, so I understand that type of bridge now. The boats will be able to pass underneath. With that being said, IMO it's still a waste of time and money. We have nearby pedestrian/vehicular bridges already, Main Street, and Acosta. I can't think of a more literal "bridge to nowhere" than that concept. That's why we have water taxis to cross the water.

Sonic101

A cross between 3 and 5 would look neat

SMoody84

Quote from: Captain Zissou on November 18, 2010, 12:28:14 PM


The bridge I was referring to is the Gateshead Millennium bridge.

Now that would be cool (along with my zip-line idea!!).

Could you imagine how pissed some people would be if Jax built a bridge like this?? haha.

KuroiKetsunoHana

it looks pretty, but i prefer functionality to appearance when it comes to bridges.  crazy, i know.
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