Blackout Revelation

[JaguarReign]

Dog Walker............said it before and will say it again..........If they are winning, they would have no problem filling the stadium up and then some! So win (better than a 7 & 9 result and backing into the playoffs) and all problems are solved...........continue to lose and you get what you sow!

CS - although you're beating a dead horse, and I do agree a winning record would help ticket sales... it's still a poor mentality and not conducive to long term success... because the only sure thing in NFL is that losing seasons are just around the corner at anytime.

The Packers are a prime example. They will without a doubt never be in danger of losing their franchise even though they're the smallest market.... because their fans love the team unconditionally. You'll find the same in Pittsburgh, NY and many other NFL markets.

The product is the game, the NFL experience and not the outcome. I've paid good money to watch this team lose and I expect to time and time again. I keep my expectations realistic and I enjoy the game regardless. It's time for 65,000 other fans to do the same.

These aren't the greatest examples, Green bay owns the team and Pittsburgh has 90 years of football history. The jags, on the other hand, have 17 years football history. Give it time, we will be just like the rest of the NFL.

I also think the media does like to dump on us because they want a team in LA and they feel that we in Jville are stealing from them because they continue having come to a non-movie star city to report on the Jags. The sports media doesn't have many Einsteins in it and they can't really think beyond 3 year old group mentality. So, it will take years of sellouts for them to jump off the location bandwagon. 

[CS Foltz]

JaguarReign....you do make a valid argument! Anything takes time and the Jag's could accelerate that curve by producing a winning team! A record of 7 - 9 won't get it anywhere and backing into the playoffs won't help a great deal! I am willing to bite my tongue and give them the benifit.......but in the same breath, winning would be a great big help to any Stadium woes.........IMHO! To keep the record straight...........I have both Brunell and a Buereline jersey..............you do realize who is still playing today right?

[Shwaz]

Tampa's been around 35 years and has a Suberbowl trophy to boot... and look at their success!

This topic has become a diversion for everyone to rally around.... because if you think the Jags are over the hump or that they have 90 years to do so, you're wrong.

Look at the new fuel chart! We've got 50K tickets to sell for the remaining games!! This isn't the time to celebrate  or whine about the national media. The team made great strides in the off-season with the Everbank deal and 18k new season tickets sold but we're still a long way off of long term security.

Where there's smoke there's normally fire and the bottom line is the team is a prime candidate for relocation. It's not about the glamour of Hollywood! It's about 8 million TV’s in a market without a team! The NFL isn't going to expand it's going to relocate and whining about the national media is just a way of burying your head in the sand.

For the 1 millionth time Foltz, yes winning is a patch, it will sell some tickets but for the love of god it's not a long term solution!!

How does a team draft or keep other teams from drafting all the Peyton Mannings & Tom Brady's of the world? You can't and 31 other teams will eventually rise to the top while others will get old and decline.

You can wear all the old jerseys you want and complain about the team record but you can’t expect the team to forfeit revenue because you don't like the final score...

[Coolyfett]

As much as the blackouts hurt us here in Jax, I don't want to see the rule changed.

The whole point of televising is so that people without tix can see the game. Without a full stadium, there is no revenue... if there is no revenue there is no team.

The only way to lift the blackout rule is to charge for televised games via pay-per-view.

Imagine if local concerts were televised...

I agree.... you always say good stuff about sports.

[Coolyfett]

Dog Walker............said it before and will say it again..........If they are winning, they would have no problem filling the stadium up and then some! So win (better than a 7 & 9 result and backing into the playoffs) and all problems are solved...........continue to lose and you get what you sow!

Wins dont sell tickets. Hype does.

[Coolyfett]

Dog Walker............said it before and will say it again..........If they are winning, they would have no problem filling the stadium up and then some! So win (better than a 7 & 9 result and backing into the playoffs) and all problems are solved...........continue to lose and you get what you sow!

CS - although you're beating a dead horse, and I do agree a winning record would help ticket sales... it's still a poor mentality and not conducive to long term success... because the only sure thing in NFL is that losing seasons are just around the corner at anytime.

The Packers are a prime example. They will without a doubt never be in danger of losing their franchise even though they're the smallest market.... because their fans love the team unconditionally. You'll find the same in Pittsburgh, NY and many other NFL markets.

The product is the game, the NFL experience and not the outcome. I've paid good money to watch this team lose and I expect to time and time again. I keep my expectations realistic and I enjoy the game regardless. It's time for 65,000 other fans to do the same.

+1 the boy does it again!  The Tickets are for the NFL experience NOT for automatic wins. Where is the drama in that?
Jacksonville still has much to learn on how to be a true sport fan....not a fanatic but a real fan. Real fans dont hide when the Ls mount up.

[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

JaguarReign....you do make a valid argument! Anything takes time and the Jag's could accelerate that curve by producing a winning team! A record of 7 - 9 won't get it anywhere and backing into the playoffs won't help a great deal! I am willing to bite my tongue and give them the benifit.......but in the same breath, winning would be a great big help to any Stadium woes.........IMHO! To keep the record straight...........I have both Brunell and a Buereline jersey..............you do realize who is still playing today right?

When you say playing..... I know he got a ring last year, his one attempt IP.  He is backing up the Sanchize this year (7-9) and keep backing up other QBs half his age until he re-coups all the money he lost trying to develop property (another subject for another thread).  If you do own the Beerline(sic) jersey, then I want to rent it from you for the next Jags game - better yet, I'll wear it and pay for your ticket to the game:  Colts, Oct. 3rd. 

[CS Foltz]

I will think about loaning you that jersey, but have to pass on the Oct 3rd spot. Will be in New York burying mother in law who passed away 3 weeks ago.

[JeffreyS]

Condolences to you and your family.

[blizz01]

Interesting story today on espn.com:
On Jacksonville's ticket, business issues
http://espn.go.com/blog/afcsouth/post/_/id/15197/on-jacksonvilles-ticket-business-issues

And for a little comic relief:
Then Tyson Alualu told Tim Tebow ...
http://espn.go.com/blog/afcsouth/post/_/id/15156/then-tyson-alualu-told-tim-tebow

[Dog Walker]

I always thought NFL teams made most of their revenue from TV advertising, but I know zero about NFL team finances.

Does anyone know what the proportion is between ticket sales and advertising revenue?

[Shwaz]

I always thought NFL teams made most of their revenue from TV advertising, but I know zero about NFL team finances.

Does anyone know what the proportion is between ticket sales and advertising revenue?

I'm not sure how the revenue portions break down... but I believe the team makes money on ticket revenue and the league makes money from tv revenue which is split amongst all the teams.

[ProjectMaximus]

I always thought NFL teams made most of their revenue from TV advertising, but I know zero about NFL team finances.

Does anyone know what the proportion is between ticket sales and advertising revenue?

I'm not sure how the revenue portions break down... but I believe the team makes money on ticket revenue and the league makes money from tv revenue which is split amongst all the teams.

This should be easy to look up, if someone wants to do that for us, lol. But I'm pretty certain the split TV revenue, along with all other split revenue, is the major slice of the pie. However, to get your share, a team has to meet certain minimums, so it's important to pull enough of your own weight in a small market or you'll be cut out.

BTW, I don't think the league gets TV advertising. I assume the networks get the advertising revenue, which is why they sign the big contracts for exclusive rights to broadcast games.

[ProjectMaximus]

Just came across this interesting and fairly-balanced article:

http://espn.go.com/blog/afcsouth/post/_/id/15197/on-jacksonvilles-ticket-business-issues

[Keith-N-Jax]

Now that Moses has returned to Denver, they'll get back on the ticket issue no doubt(they never left it actually). How many years in a row have the Charges made the playoffs? You'd expected the pathetic play of the Jags to be B/O. The Chargers regularly make the playoffs, defeat the Colts on a regualr basis, imo, stands should be full. No talk of that though.