Blackout Revelation

[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

And let's not forget about the Raiders, Chargers (both already in CA), Rams, Bucs, Arizona, KC & Minnesota.

[Shwaz]

Shwaz............you do have a point, but have to point out that Green Bay dates back to pre-NFL! They have a  winning history and the Jags do not! Winning is everything and as I pointed out.....a winning record makes filling any stadium up one heck of alot easier! Losing seasons are just a turn of the wheel and the wheel allways turns! Any team has ups and downs.......Redskins,Dolphins..........heck even Cleveland (they are an original team though, actually Baltimore Ravens was the original team prior to their move!) Not turning my back on the Jag's, they have possibilities, but winning does all a world of good..........media would get off of Jacksonvilles back, team could be a contender.......they might even get to the playoffs with a winning record and be a real contender, but time will tell for sure! A brand new season.......so who knows?

I agree history is important but disagree winning meant everything to the Packers. Between 68 and 96 was along time with no title runs. That's more than a generation growing up under multiple losing seasons. Never in that time did the franchise struggle.

For about a quarter century after Lombardi's departure, the Packers had relatively little on-field success. In the 24 seasons from 1968 to 1991, the Packers had only five seasons with a winning record (above .500), one being the shortened 1982 strike season. They appeared in the playoffs twice during that period, with a record of 1â€"2.

[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

It doesn't take winning.  It takes time and passion.   You are either going to embrace the home team or you're not.  What we need are 30K people to fall passionately in love with OUR franchise (30K with 2 season tix each).  You can't care if they win or lose or if it's rainy or if it's too hot or if it's too cold or if we're playing the Browns.  Sunday's need to be a ritual - wake up with a smile, knowing you're going to watch a football game played by 2 teams - 1 you love, 1 you hate.  It's that simple. 

[SMoody84]

Nice post Non-Redneck Westsider.

I believe we are getting closer to that magical 60k number of die hard Jaguars fans as each year passes.  I was fortunate enough to grow up a Jaguars fan, and once I was old enough to know what budgeting my money meant, I bought two season tickets.  Started with me and my wife, the next year my sister and her BF bought tickets, and so-on.. I've said this before, the mid-20's people that grew up Jags fans are going to be the ones who save this franchise, & keep it in Jacksonville for years to come.

Winning only brings bandwagon fans (See the Tampa Bay Bucs)..

[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

Nice post Non-Redneck Westsider.

I believe we are getting closer to that magical 60k number of die hard Jaguars fans as each year passes.  I was fortunate enough to grow up a Jaguars fan, and once I was old enough to know what budgeting my money meant, I bought two season tickets.  Started with me and my wife, the next year my sister and her BF bought tickets, and so-on.. I've said this before, the mid-20's people that grew up Jags fans are going to be the ones who save this franchise, & keep it in Jacksonville for years to come.

Winning only brings bandwagon fans (See the Tampa Bay Bucs)..

+1MM

This is how a fan base is built.

[CS Foltz]

Well Gentlemen and all.............we have differing viewpoints and can see there is no middle ground! I have a jersey from the first quarterback and they have not had a good one since then, so I guess you could say I am somewhat biased!

[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

Well Gentlemen and all.............we have differing viewpoints and can see there is no middle ground! I have a jersey from the first quarterback and they have not had a good one since then, so I guess you could say I am somewhat biased!

You have a Steve Buerleine(sic) Jersey 

[Shwaz]

Well Gentlemen and all.............we have differing viewpoints and can see there is no middle ground! I have a jersey from the first quarterback and they have not had a good one since then, so I guess you could say I am somewhat biased!

I would say almost all in this thread are in agreement... you're the only one promoting bandwagonism.

[copperfiend]

Well Gentlemen and all.............we have differing viewpoints and can see there is no middle ground! I have a jersey from the first quarterback and they have not had a good one since then, so I guess you could say I am somewhat biased!

You have a Steve Buerleine(sic) Jersey 

I still have an Andre Rison jersey

[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

I was just busting on Foltz about having the jersey of the "First" Jaguar QB - totally assuming that he meant Brunell, but actually Brunell was a back-up to Buereline(sic) for about 3-4 games before becoming the starter.

[Jason]

Just want to spill a rant here.  

What's the deal with people leaving the game at and around the two minute warning?  This isn't a unique problem for the Jags either.  I see it every week at the end of every game I watch!  I'm not awarded many opportunities to attend a game because I have a family of 5 living on one income, however, when I do get to go to a game I'm there until the bitter regardless of the outcome.  To me, leaving before the end of the game is just like stepping out of the theatre before the movie is over.  What's the point?  You spend all of that money to be entertained by a football game and all the other things happening on the field and in the stands but suddenly you want to cut your fun short just to beat the rush?  Makes much more sence to hang out an extra ten or fifteen minutes.

Whew, OK, I feel better now.   

[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

Just want to spill a rant here.  

What's the deal with people leaving the game at and around the two minute warning?  This isn't a unique problem for the Jags either.  I see it every week at the end of every game I watch!  I'm not awarded many opportunities to attend a game because I have a family of 5 living on one income, however, when I do get to go to a game I'm there until the bitter regardless of the outcome.  To me, leaving before the end of the game is just like stepping out of the theatre before the movie is over.  What's the point?  You spend all of that money to be entertained by a football game and all the other things happening on the field and in the stands but suddenly you want to cut your fun short just to beat the rush?  Makes much more sence to hang out an extra ten or fifteen minutes.

Whew, OK, I feel better now.   

+1

[Shwaz]

Spot on Jason! I normally make comments towards the early birds like "Don't want you to miss Golden Girls!!"

[jagsfan32092]

Last year it was because we have 0 fan support and Jacksonville sucks.  Now other teams are feeling it, it's the economy and they want to see it changed.  I hate the national media.

[Non-RedNeck Westsider]

And it's not just the blackouts.  The whole '.34 cents on the dollar' revelation revealed that Tampa would have had as many blackouts last year as we if they hadn't bought their own tix.   We did that one year and look where it got us. 

I think the truth is coming out for a lot of teams about how many tix were sold to fans and how many were bought up by the front office.  It makes sense to do if for a year - assuming this recession would pass, but since we're into year 3 without a major comeback, the teams aren't willing to / don't have the cash flow to buy their own tickets anymore.