Q'uran Burning By Gainesville Nutcase.

[ChriswUfGator]

Well I certainly hope Terry Jones and his religious nutjobs are happy, there was an article in the New York Times today and some more stuff online, apparently this became quite a big deal in Afghanistan. There were riots and demonstrations, and apparently at least 2 people were killed. Wonderful. Like the US wasn't unpopular enough already.

Reverend gassbag's book burning threat was no more than an act of disrespect. He is hardly to blame for people getting killed overseas.

If you threaten to burn a bible and I pledge to kill someone if you do, is it your fault that I killed a person?

So we should not be concerned with the ramifications of our actions?  I am not sure I am following your logic here.

Speaking of logic, your response seems to be missing any. Looking at my previous post, I see no claim indicating that anyone should not consider the ramifications of ones actions.

Ramifications of book burning: It could piss people off. If I get pissed off about something you do, whose responsibility/fault is it?

Ramifications of killing people: People die. If I kill someone and blame it on the fact that I was pissed about something you did, whose responsibility is that?

Ramifications of multi-quoting: It builds a quote pyramid. If I continue multi-quoting until I have a post over 3 feet long, whose fault is that?

Your logic is what makes no sense.

If I intentionally undertake some act that I know will produce a certain result, then I become partially responsible even though I may not have physically caused the actual harm. Because it wouldn't have happened except for me. So by your logic I guess it's OK to run around yelling "FIRE!" in crowded theaters and then blame the resulting deaths and injuries on people not watching where they're stepping? Or shoot a nuclear missile at Russia and then act perplexed when we get one right back? "We didn't MAKE them do it." Come on, that's nonsensical. Nobody physically "makes" anybody do much of anything, that doesn't mean we're not responsible for our actions.

[JC]

Thats a good dhimmi

Just shut up!

I do not want to hear another word from any of you guys about people disrespecting christian sensibilities.

Apparently that whole thing from people on the Right about respecting people's deeply held religious beliefs was just bollocks.

Well good to know.  I could really care less about the issue, except that it seemed designed to kill additional soldiers in the Middle East, and I actually do try to take it seriously when General Petraeus, (a dhimmi? I suppose) has to stop what hes doing to personally request some homeless dumbass with a bible to kindly pipe the hell down before he gets somebody killed.

You guys will defend absolutely any action as long as the person being affected is either brown or foreign, apparently.  So, which Moslem country, civil and BT, are either of you under the impression invaded the US?  Incidentally.  Are either of you aware that we invaded Afghanistan or Iraq a few years ago, and began torturing people?

Or are you under the impression, that afghanistan invaded Cleveland, and only the good dhimmi of that town are now allowed to own businesses?

Your stupid chimperor president managed to bomb millions of people who had nothing to do with 911, and you wasted 3 trillion dollars of our money with this bullshit---after which you suddenly found jesus on the subject of Deficits.

Now, as a spiteful afterthought you apparently endorse defiling religious artifacts as a method of preventing muslims from exerting their property rights in manhattan.

awesome.  And you wonder why the country got driven into a ditch by your mind control superiors?

Here here!

[BridgeTroll]

Thought so...   Good Morning BTW!

[civil42806]

Thanks Civil!  I always learn new things here!

Thats a good dhimmi

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhimmi

A dhimmi (Arabic: ذمي‎ [ˈðɪmːiː]), (collectively أهل الذمة ahl al-dhimmah, "the people of the dhimma or people of the contract") is a non-Muslim subject of a state governed in accordance with sharia law. The dhimma is a theoretical contract based on a widely held Islamic doctrine granting special status to Jewish, Christian, and other non-Muslim subjects. Dhimma provides rights of residence in return for taxes.[1] Dhimmi have fewer legal and social rights than Muslims, but more rights than other non-Muslims.[2] They are excluded from the specifically Muslim duties, and otherwise equal under the laws of property, contract and obligation.[3]

Hey I should know I was one for a few years.

[civil42806]

Thats a good dhimmi

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Just shut up!

[JC]

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Christians must return to the truth and stop hiding. We need to speak up against sin and call the people to repentance. Abortion is murder. Homosexuality is sin. We need to call these things what they are and bring the world the true message: that Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Him (John 14:6).

Any religion which would profess anything other than this truth is of the devil. This is why we also take a stand against Islam, which teaches that Jesus is not the Son of God, therefore taking away the saving power of Jesus Christ and leading people straight to Hell.

It is our vision to go around, to preach and to challenge, and to get the church involved and ready. We must go outside of the walls, and march for righteousness.

I love the similarities between the rigid dogma of this guys fire and brimstone Christianity and of strict adherence to Islam or Sharia law.  The only thing the Muslims are missing is Jesus, although he makes cameos in the Koran repeatedly.  

[civil42806]

I do not want to hear another word from any of you guys about people disrespecting christian sensibilities.

Apparently that whole thing from people on the Right about respecting people's deeply held religious beliefs was just bollocks.

Well good to know.  I could really care less about the issue, except that it seemed designed to kill additional soldiers in the Middle East, and I actually do try to take it seriously when General Petraeus, (a dhimmi? I suppose) has to stop what hes doing to personally request some homeless dumbass with a bible to kindly pipe the hell down before he gets somebody killed.

You guys will defend absolutely any action as long as the person being affected is either brown or foreign, apparently.  So, which Moslem country, civil and BT, are either of you under the impression invaded the US?  Incidentally.  Are either of you aware that we invaded Afghanistan or Iraq a few years ago, and began torturing people?

Or are you under the impression, that afghanistan invaded Cleveland, and only the good dhimmi of that town are now allowed to own businesses?

Your stupid chimperor president managed to bomb millions of people who had nothing to do with 911, and you wasted 3 trillion dollars of our money with this bullshit---after which you suddenly found jesus on the subject of Deficits.

Now, as a spiteful afterthought you apparently endorse defiling religious artifacts as a method of preventing muslims from exerting their property rights in manhattan.

awesome.  And you wonder why the country got driven into a ditch by your mind control superiors?

I knew George Bush had something to do with this!  And I'm a racist to boot.  are we going for a trifecta here?

[JC]

Maybe he means these truths?

"And Israel joined himself unto Baalpeor: and the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel. And the LORD said unto Moses, 'Take all the heads of the people and hang them up before the LORD against the sun, that the fierce anger of the LORD may be turned away from Israel.'" (Numbers 25:3-4)

"And it came to pass, that at midnight the LORD smote all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh that sat on his throne unto the firstborn of the captive that was in the dungeon; and all the firstborn of cattle. And Pharaoh rose up in the night, he, and all his servants, and all the Egyptians; and there was a great cry in Egypt; for there was not a house where there was not one dead." (Exodus 12:29-30)

"Either three years' famine; or three months to be destroyed before thy foes, while that the sword of thine enemies overtaketh thee; or else three days the sword of the LORD, even the pestilence, in the land, and the angel of the LORD destroying throughout all the coasts of Israel..." (I Chronicles 21:12)

"So the LORD sent pestilence upon Israel: and there fell of Israel seventy thousand men." (I Chronicles 21:14)

"And there came out against them Zerah the Ethiopian with an host of a thousand thousand, and three hundred chariots..." (II Chronicles 14:9)

So the LORD smote the Ethiopians before Asa, and before Judah; and the Ethiopians fled. (II Chronicles 14:12)

"And he smote the men of Bethshemesh, because they had looked into the ark of the LORD, even he smote of the people fifty thousand and threescore and ten men: and the people lamented, because the LORD had smitten many of the people with a great slaughter." (I Samuel 6:19)

"Every one that is found shall be thrust through; and every one that is joined unto them shall fall by the sword. Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished." (Isaiah 13:15-16)

"If a man be found lying with a woman married to an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her;" (Deuteronomy 22:22)

"Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city; and the man, because he hath humbled his neighbour's wife: so thou shalt put away evil from among you." (Deuteronomy 22:24)

"If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found; Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silvers, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days." (Deuteronomy 22:28-29)

"Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in everything." (Ephesians 5:22-24)

"Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee." (Genesis 3:16)

I really love these quotes, they could have come out of the Koran with their killing, stoning and oppression of women!  Again, what truth does Terry want to return to?

[JC]

I knew George Bush had something to do with this!  And I'm a racist to boot.  are we going for a trifecta here?

if the shoe fits!

[civil42806]

well if i was a devout christian, which I'm not, an atheist here I would point out that they are old testament quotes which mean that they are the old covnenant.  The old covenant was superseded by the new covenant IE the new testament.  But I d believe we are straying from the basic discusion here.    But I guess I should just shut up

[JC]

well if i was a devout christian, which I'm not, an atheist here I would point out that they are old testament quotes which mean that they are the old covnenant.  The old covenant was superseded by the new covenant IE the new testament.  But I d believe we are straying from the basic discusion here.    But I guess I should just shut up

So wait, its aight for Christians to 'reform' and all their bullshit can be overlooked but when American Muslims attempt to assimilate and be reformists its somehow not ok?  You do know that there was a Mosque in tower two dont you?  I am sure you also realize that moderate Muslims are also infidels in the eyes of extremists?  

But yeah, you probably should shut up if all you are going to do is make wild ass assertions!  There is no sharia law in the US, this is not a Muslim controlled country so your use of the word Dhimmi was just dumb.

[civil42806]

Has there been a change in direction here.  I'm quite aware of what moderate  and reform islamist have to go through and the terror they have to live.  in 1993 I was setting in an iranian exiles home in bahrain listeing to cheech and chong albums.  They would have thrown him in jail, at least, for that.  He fled iran because he didn't want his wife to be a piece of meat and owned by him.  In the states they have freedom to do as will as far as the twin towers issue goes that hasnt been and issue in this thread until you brought it up.   dhimmi is not a law its a state of mind 

[buckethead]

Well I certainly hope Terry Jones and his religious nutjobs are happy, there was an article in the New York Times today and some more stuff online, apparently this became quite a big deal in Afghanistan. There were riots and demonstrations, and apparently at least 2 people were killed. Wonderful. Like the US wasn't unpopular enough already.

Reverend gassbag's book burning threat was no more than an act of disrespect. He is hardly to blame for people getting killed overseas.

If you threaten to burn a bible and I pledge to kill someone if you do, is it your fault that I killed a person?

So we should not be concerned with the ramifications of our actions?  I am not sure I am following your logic here.

Speaking of logic, your response seems to be missing any. Looking at my previous post, I see no claim indicating that anyone should not consider the ramifications of ones actions.

Ramifications of book burning: It could piss people off. If I get pissed off about something you do, whose responsibility/fault is it?

Ramifications of killing people: People die. If I kill someone and blame it on the fact that I was pissed about something you did, whose responsibility is that?

Ramifications of multi-quoting: It builds a quote pyramid. If I continue multi-quoting until I have a post over 3 feet long, whose fault is that?

Your logic is what makes no sense.

If I intentionally undertake some act that I know will produce a certain result, then I become partially responsible even though I may not have physically caused the actual harm. Because it wouldn't have happened except for me. So by your logic I guess it's OK to run around yelling "FIRE!" in crowded theaters and then blame the resulting deaths and injuries on people not watching where they're stepping? Or shoot a nuclear missile at Russia and then act perplexed when we get one right back? "We didn't MAKE them do it." Come on, that's nonsensical. Nobody physically "makes" anybody do much of anything, that doesn't mean we're not responsible for our actions.

Bollocks!
Yelling fire in a theater? Please.

Launching a nuke! C'mon, dood!

If you burn my copy of The Goblet of Fire in spite of my warning that I would kill Harry Potter if you did, you have ash to clean up and I have a wizard corpse on my hands.

It is so telling how so many who rush to defend the right of Muslims to build their community center/mosque (capable of holding services for 1000 worshipers, BTW) in an area so sensitive in the eyes of many New Yorkers, yet because the reverend is a hick Christian who threatened to burn a Koran, you fall over yourselves to hold him responsible for the violence perpetrated by muslims across the ocean.

BTW, it is the right thing to do in standing for freedom of religion. Allowing the fact that someone is offended to affect public policy and essentially discriminate against one religion would be unconstitutional.

I get it. You are for freedom of speech, for those of which you approve.

[buckethead]

http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2010/09/14/2010-09-14_koran_burner_derek_fenton_fired_from_his_job_at_nj_transit.html

The protestor who burned pages from the Koran outside a planned mosque near Ground Zero was fired from NJ Transit over the controversial act, sources and authorities said yesterday.

Derek Fenton's 11-year career at the agency came to an abrupt halt Monday after photographs of him ripping pages from the Muslim holy book and setting them ablaze appeared in newspapers.

Fenton was ushered from the protests by police and questioned, but he was released without charges.

Howzabout some opinions on this?

[RainDoggie]

well if i was a devout christian, which I'm not, an atheist here I would point out that they are old testament quotes which mean that they are the old covnenant.  The old covenant was superseded by the new covenant IE the new testament.  But I d believe we are straying from the basic discusion here.    But I guess I should just shut up

Not to split hairs but the quote from Ephesians is in the New Testament.  But your general point is certainly what a devout Christian might say in defense although it's a weak argument.