10-95 Merger

[Dog Walker]

Quote from STJR:

Why was JTB built to begin with?  Because dramatic growth was expected in the area it was serving.

Sorry you are wrong.  JTB was built to CAUSE the growth; to open up the area for development.  No growth was anticipated without the road.  Think McCormick, Hodges, Davis, Peyton.

[stjr]

Quote from STJR:

Why was JTB built to begin with?  Because dramatic growth was expected in the area it was serving.

Sorry you are wrong.  JTB was built to CAUSE the growth; to open up the area for development.  No growth was anticipated without the road.  Think McCormick, Hodges, Davis, Peyton.

Dog, I think we are trying to say the same thing.  What I meant was that growth was expected upon the completion of the road.  And, as EXPECTED, it succeeded in being the catalyst for same.  Clearly, no road, no growth.  The access it created stimulated the growth.  And, no one, least of all, "transportation planning experts", should have been surprised.

[Dog Walker]

When JTB was built, everyone called it "The Road to Nowhere."  I'm sure the people who caused it to be built hoped that it would need to be expanded, but they had enough trouble getting it built in the first place and even had to build it as a toll road to justify it to the public.

"If you build it, they will come." Is far more true of roads than of baseball fields.  We've been driving the roads around Orlando in the past few days and my nose has certainly been rubbed it that truth!

[Charles Hunter]

IIRC, the Skinners, Hodges, et al, donated the land for JTB, and reserved the right to have frequent access.  Sometime later, JTA bought the limited access rights, to keep JTB from becoming Beach or Blanding Boulevard.  This is part of the reason JTA paid for that new road just south of JTB (AC Skinner Parkway?), to make up for losing access to JTB.

Not that this has much to do with the topic "I10-95 Merger" ....

[stjr]

I'm sure the people who caused it to be built hoped that it would need to be expanded, but they had enough trouble getting it built in the first place and even had to build it as a toll road to justify it to the public.

Maybe opposition to the road was derived from the fact that almost all the land it crossed through was owned by three families:  Skinner, Hodges, and Davis.  This was a "special interest" road if there ever was one.  But, the politicos were seduced by the donation of "free" land for the road.  Of course, there were "terms and conditions" to go along with "free".  Such as guaranteed interchanges to their properties built and paid for by we, the taxpayers.  Needless to say, it made a lot of rich people richer.  And, as evidenced by the estimated $114 million in present and future upgrades to the I-95/JTB interchange, following the six laning of much of JTB, we taxpayers will continue to pay for this for a very long time.

[CS Foltz]

stjr..........the only thing that benifits anyone on AC Skinner Parkway is "DR Horten" and that about it...... some office complex's at the Belfort Road end, hotels and T Mobile Jacksonville Headquarters! DR Horten has two condo/apartment complex's down there, if I remember correctly!

[stjr]

stjr..........the only thing that benifits anyone on AC Skinner Parkway is "DR Horten" and that about it...... some office complex's at the Belfort Road end, hotels and T Mobile Jacksonville Headquarters! DR Horten has two condo/apartment complex's down there, if I remember correctly!

CS, me thinks you are referring to post by Charles.  Point noted nonetheless. 

[CS Foltz]

Ooops! Did not read far enough ahead! Thanks stjr.............credit where credit is due......Thanks Mr Charles!

[Timkin]

When JTB was built, everyone called it "The Road to Nowhere."  I'm sure the people who caused it to be built hoped that it would need to be expanded, but they had enough trouble getting it built in the first place and even had to build it as a toll road to justify it to the public.

"If you build it, they will come." Is far more true of roads than of baseball fields.  We've been driving the roads around Orlando in the past few days and my nose has certainly been rubbed it that truth!

Talk about Urban Sprawl! ... I left Orlando in 2001 and except for work-related drives there, Never looked back.  Before Disney, Im sure Orlando was a pretty sleepy area, and certainly it's outlying areas : Ocoee, Christmas, Winter Park, Casselberry,  Longwood,   etc were sleepy areas.  Roads were built, and by God, they came.. like rats from a burning ship!

[tufsu1]

So CS...I assume that the folks who live in the DR Horton complexor work in the offices also benefit?

[CS Foltz]

tufsu.......can't say for sure! I do know there appears to be quite a few retired types  and some young professionals! Retired types probably go downtown for the exciting night life right? Plenty of trees left for DR Horton to cut down and name the streets after the cut trees! I do know there are alot of offices at the Belfort end, but have no idea as to what types of business's.............T Mobile Headquarters, a physicians bldg and then some financials and school. Got some typical strip mall stuff, a few foodie stores that open morning and lunch but no supper stuff! Then you have the Hotels past there..............several! Unless those who work there actually live in one of the DR Horton developments, I kinda doubt they all do! I know of no one who works at T Mobile, who lives in one of the two stick trash complexes...........at least as of one year ago. I knew most of them in the RF, Engineering and Design Departments and most of them lived in Clay County or out at the Beaches!

[tufsu1]

what do you mean you can't say for sure?  You implied that Skinner Pkwy only benefits DR Horton...clearly it also benefits those who live there....without it, they couldn't access their houses!

[ricker]

Regarding 10/95_ what info is available on the dogpark?
will it connect the proposed artist walk from RAM to McCoy creek by way of school 4 and the abandoned 2 story brick structure across Forest St from new Animal Care and Control?

[CS Foltz]

what do you mean you can't say for sure?  You implied that Skinner Pkwy only benefits DR Horton...clearly it also benefits those who live there....without it, they couldn't access their houses!

tufsu...........you do realize that DR Horton did not build their complex's until AC Skinner was put in right? Belfort Rd was there long before AC Skinner along with most of the office bldg's all ready in place, the Hotels and the T Mobile Headquarter! That used to be a TV station by the way, AC Skinner stopped there, bridge was not there and road was not in place! When that was completed.............then DR Horton inserted their Apartments from hell........not before! I was refering to the people who live there, a mix of professionals and retired, but that did not go in until AC Skinner was completed, with our tax dollars by the way! DR Horton did not contribute and pay to have it done!

[danno]

I am glad it was built as it helps me get between my office at Belfort and A.C. Skinner and S.S. Blvd without having to get caught up in the traffic at Belfort and JTB abd JTB and S.S. Blvd.  There are several people at my office who live in those apartments that work in our office.