Was Hart Expressway Messy Overkill?

[rjp2008]

Curious what you guys think about it, especially the flailing octopus of off/on ramps that connect with downtown.

[Lunican]

A lot of money was spent to exclude that part of downtown from the rest.

When it reaches the end of its life it should be torn down and not replaced.

[thelakelander]

Yes it's overkill.  9B and the Outer Beltway are too.

[reednavy]

What Lunican said.

[brainstormer]

I'm pretty sure there was a thread where the overkill of Hart was discussed.  Most were in favor of tearing it down rather than rebuilding it.  There really needs to be a master plan/vision for this area.  Everything east of Berkman and South of Arlington Expressway should be in one overall plan.  I do remember a thread where residential was envisioned for the "point."

[rjp2008]

Mullaney specifically mentions the "future idea" of removing it in his letter following the Kansas City trip.

[fsujax]

this is something worth persuing. My great grandmothers house on Adams St was torn down for this project and I have the pictures to prove it!

[Ocklawaha]

I'm all for bringing it down but with a VISION, say:

A Buenos Aires style parkway with Skyway down it.


Almost looks like home doesn't it?


Okay, maybe not, but it IS way cool!

BTW Stephen, THIS is what I was talking about in Buenos Aries.

OCKLAWAHA

[tufsu1]

the idea of replacing it with a boulevard at street level was included in the 2035 LRTP Needs Plan....money was not identidied (reconstruction is separate pot olf money) so it was not included in the Cost Feasible Plan.

[Ocklawaha]

Bet it wasn't a "Buenos Aries" boulevard. What do y'all think, would something like this be cool or what?

OCKLAWAHA

[Seraphs]

Who knows what goes on in the mind of the GREAT planners of this city.  At the time maybe they thought it was a good idea.

[brainstormer]

Bay Street extended out to Commodore Point(if I remember correctly) with Ock's Buenos Aires Parkway and streetcar down the middle would be beautiful and a huge boost for development along the whole stretch.  Infill the stadium parking lots with residential, entertainment, restaurants, retail and green space; rework Metro Park into a real festival park; create a public pier and throw some towers up in the Shipyards area...and now we're talking!!!  I guarantee we won't have to beg to sell Jaguars tickets either.

[fsujax]

I counted 16-lanes of traffic on that Buenos Aires Pkwy is that what we want downtown?

[brainstormer]

I'm pretty sure I can speak for Ock as well.  We aren't interested in the 16 lanes of traffic. The "look and feel" of a tree lined parkway with mass transit, and rows of tall buildings was more what we are after.  Big, Bold and Beautiful!

[Lunican]

the idea of replacing it with a boulevard at street level was included in the 2035 LRTP Needs Plan....money was not identidied (reconstruction is separate pot olf money) so it was not included in the Cost Feasible Plan.

Reconstruction? What's wrong with using Gator Bowl Blvd and Bay St?