Landing bill moves forward without preservation funds, but mayor may veto

Started by thelakelander, May 17, 2010, 09:50:17 PM

Wacca Pilatka

The tourist would realize at once that he had struck the Land of Flowers - the City Beautiful!

Henry J. Klutho

reednavy

Jacksonville: We're not vertically challenged, just horizontally gifted!

mtraininjax

Peyton needs the money to pay for the 200,000 here and there he and his idiot staff have to pay for 8 years of mistakes. Why would you pay for road construction that cannot be used. All of those people still have their jobs, so they can be around to make the same mistakes again. Procurement, Public Works, HR, where does the inept mayor look for a bright spot?
And, that $115 will save Jacksonville from financial ruin. - Mayor John Peyton

"This is a game-changer. This is what I mean when I say taking Jacksonville to the next level."
-Mayor Alvin Brown on new video boards at Everbank Field

JeffreyS

A Johnny Boy beat down leaves the ball in Toney's court.  So Mr. Sleiman show us whatcha got.
Lenny Smash

duvaldude08

THANK YOU JESUS. The man upstairs heard my prayers. Take that Johnny boy!!!
Jaguars 2.0

stjr

I believe Peyton had some sincere and legitimate concerns about this project.  Time will tell if they were well founded.  Remember, he turned out to be right about Trail Ridge and last year's budget, both overruled/grandstanded by the all knowing City Council succumbing to popular demand.

We need to keep in mind that Peyton is (a) lame duck, (b) professes no desire to further seek political office and (c) is not really beholden to anyone for his next paycheck.  As such, while he has made some mistakes, particularly in his more inexperienced early years, and his judgment may be off the mark occasionally (no one bats a 1,000), at this point I am more willing to give his views greater credibility.  What motivation does he have to not recommend what he sincerely believes is in the City's best interest versus a political hack on the City Council or in the mayor's race for 2011.  He certainly could not have stepped up to be a mayor at a more difficult time for the City given the economy and manipulations by the State legislature of City revenues and expenses.

More tough choices are to follow once again when the budget comes up.  We will see who has realistic answers to please everyone on that with the backbone to stand up for them.
Hey!  Whatever happened to just plain ol' COMMON SENSE!!

fieldafm

QuoteWhat motivation does he have to not recommend what he sincerely believes is in the City's best interest versus a political hack on the City Council or in the mayor's race for 2011.

.... a decades long family feud.

stjr

Hey!  Whatever happened to just plain ol' COMMON SENSE!!

tufsu1

Quote from: stjr on June 22, 2010, 10:32:04 PM
I believe Peyton had some sincere and legitimate concerns about this project.  Time will tell if they were well founded.  Remember, he turned out to be right about Trail Ridge and last year's budget, both overruled/grandstanded by the all knowing City Council succumbing to popular demand.

it pains me to say this stjr....but on this we agree

stjr

Quote from: tufsu1 on June 22, 2010, 10:48:19 PM
it pains me to say this stjr....but on this we agree

Tufsu, if you are so pained, I have the cure for you:  JTA and FDOT issues  ;D

Actually, aside from that, I think you will find we see other issues in similar lights more often than not.  Maybe I need to make more of an effort to identify them for you.  ;)
Hey!  Whatever happened to just plain ol' COMMON SENSE!!

thelakelander

Well we'll see.  The council finally resolved a 23-year-old issue that has plagued this retail center since the Landing's day one opening.  Half of Peyton's veto points made no sense (in terms of resolving the dedicated parking issue) and the Council put in safe guards to protect the city's interest.  Now the ball is in Sleiman's court to deliver.  A year from now, we'll know who was right and who was wrong.
"A man who views the world the same at 50 as he did at 20 has wasted 30 years of his life." - Muhammad Ali

stjr

Quote from: thelakelander on June 22, 2010, 11:02:30 PM
Now the ball is in Sleiman's court to deliver.  A year from now, we'll know who was right and who was wrong.

My guess is Sleiman comes out a winner either way.  Property on the cheap, if Peyton is right, and a home run for the Landing (which he also bought on the cheap) if it gets him a full house of tenants.

And, who will remember which City Council names to hold accountable should Peyton be right?  Most in town don't even know their names.
Hey!  Whatever happened to just plain ol' COMMON SENSE!!

thelakelander

It's not about Sleiman being a winner or a loser.  The hope is that DT wins by living up to a decades old promise that could possible strengthen its premier attraction and better integrate it with the DT core.  My hope is that he is highly successful because that means DT benefits as well.  Imo, this is a prime example of working to better utilize existing assets.
"A man who views the world the same at 50 as he did at 20 has wasted 30 years of his life." - Muhammad Ali

thelakelander

With this finally taken care of, maybe the city can focus on a plan to modify some of the toxic public policies that hold DT back and work to better integrate the office tower retail spaces with the public streets surrounding them.
"A man who views the world the same at 50 as he did at 20 has wasted 30 years of his life." - Muhammad Ali

fieldafm

Quote from: thelakelander on June 22, 2010, 11:13:27 PM
With this finally taken care of, maybe the city can focus on a plan to modify some of the toxic public policies that hold DT back and work to better integrate the office tower retail spaces with the public streets surrounding them.

The issue has been beaten to death.  The 'merits' of Peyton's veto have been proven incorrect on this site.  Lake's statement is something we all need to latch on to going forward.  Productive policy change can happen if we all get involved!