Downtown Bus Shelter Designs Revealed

[stjr]

Upkeep will be an issue with all options.  Nothing they put up will stand the test of time and vandalism.

Will be interesting to see what the standards of upkeep will be by the outside company.  Or, does JTA retain that responsibility?

[TheProfessor]

I think we should be happy if they install 100 of these once a year as they said in the newspaper article.  In time they can get more creative.

[Steve]

Upkeep will be an issue with all options.  Nothing they put up will stand the test of time and vandalism.

Seriously - what a retarded argument. I guess no one could tag option 3 with grafitti.

[CS Foltz]

Well they do make paints that are relatively grafiti proof! But that would obscure the Advertising!

[Ocklawaha]

Y'all know the whole process was antiquated before any decision was made. Bidding and Ordering by specifications is an exercise for fatal flaws. 

To get this whole process up to date in the Transit world, JTA should be telling them ONLY the results they expect + any unique local rules and ordinances. This allows each bidder to be feature creative and design a structure with maximum benefits according to each manufacturers talents and experiences.

For example the old system would be:
Bus Shelter RFP - JTA
10' long x 5' deep x 9' tall
Safety glass windows on side walls from the ground to roof line.
Poster/Advertising window 24"x 48", lockable space with .... etc...

The new system should be:

Bus Shelters for Jacksonville Florida's dynamic central business district, shelters designed to hold advertising.  We also desire solar lighting, bikes, ventilation, rust resistance, ability to comfortably seat... etc...

Bet the results would range from eye opening to amazing.


OCKLAWAHA

[Mattius92]

I think we should be happy if they install 100 of these once a year as they said in the newspaper article.  In time they can get more creative.

That sounds pretty good.

[heights unknown]

Someone may have already addressed this (I won't read through all of the previous posts), but I hope they build these Bus Stops much bigger than the norm; small shelters which only seat one or two people, and don't shelter people from the weather (rain, snow, hail, heat (sun), etc.) are useless and a waste of taxpayer money in my opinion.

I have ridden the bus in the past (and still do once every blue moon), and it angers me when it is raining cats and dogs and you stand under the shelter and get just as wet as if there were no shelter!

"HU"

[stjr]

Y'all know the whole process was antiquated before any decision was made. Bidding and Ordering by specifications is an exercise for fatal flaws.  

To get this whole process up to date in the Transit world, JTA should be telling them ONLY the results they expect + any unique local rules and ordinances. This allows each bidder to be feature creative and design a structure with maximum benefits according to each manufacturers talents and experiences.

Ock, we don't agree on the need for bus shelter ads, but I do agree, if they are going forward with it, they should do it as you suggest.  That was my point several posts ago, as well, but Tufsu didn't seem to appreciate the point.  JTA's approach is dictating what the business model must be for the advertiser, not the other way around. Clearly, JTA has no real business-like capabilities based on their track record.  I won't be surprised if this foray into bus shelter has more bumps in the road than JTA is letting on to.  Still waiting to see the economic model for this and how every location desired for a bus shelter will support it.  Supporters who are already disappointed by the implementation should expect more of the same.  Another reason we should not be doing this in this manner.

[tufsu1]

perhaps JTA worked with the advertising vendor on the shelter design

[stjr]

perhaps JTA worked with the advertising vendor on the shelter design

If it's an open bid process, how could JTA already know the "winner"?  Another rigged, inside job.  Follow the money?

[CS Foltz]

Well stjr..............usun's are on the outside looking in and we are not "keeper of the transportation flame"! I still have not figured out just why Advertising is a requirement to get shelters up! If the income from advertising at this point in time is not but 2% or less......where is the additional money going to come from? No company is going to shell out cold hard cash for shelters without the chance to get their money back plus! Additional advertising can not bring in that much to fully fund shelters and the cost of maintaining them......unless the money is coming from other sources such as taxpayer money under the table or off of the books! JTA is infamous about keeping information and actual numbers in house and appears to fight tooth and nail just from a simple records request!

[stjr]

CS +1.

Tufsu has the special ability to know when to believe JTA and when not to.  I sure don't.  When I do "trust" them, Tufsu says not to.  When I don't, he says I should.  You got me how he knows, but he just does. 

Since JTA has been caught with their pants down withholding, distorting and misrepresenting numbers on this bus shelter ad program and working with "expert" people having conflicts of interest, I know I don't trust them on this one.

Like you said, "show me the money!".  Still waiting.

[CS Foltz]

I agree..........show me the money! I don't trust them either!

[tufsu1]

Tufsu has the special ability to know when to believe JTA and when not to.  I sure don't.  When I do "trust" them, Tufsu says not to.  When I don't, he says I should.  You got me how he knows, but he just does. 

perhaps because I'm actually trained in and work in the field

[toi]

I can't believe how much space under the roof is taken up for potential wheelchair use.  Couldn't there be a lightweight, hinged, flip-up bench so that the space is available for people to sit, and then if someone comes in a wheelchair, they could flip up the bench?   As it is designed, I can only see one or maybe two unrelated people sitting under the shelter at any one time.