Terror Attacks Against US At All-Time High

[Sigma]

Stephen, the falsehoods lay with you.  The article that he posted did not state it and he did not imply it. 

Nothing surprising there. 

hmm.  still in crazy land arent ya?

are you claiming that mcveigh wasnt a veteran, wasnt right wing and wasnt from the us?

Stop trying to twist my words Stevo, you clearly misrepresented the article that NotNow posted and made a statement about what NN implied. 

I was not referring to MCVeigh, who I agree was a psycho. The article talks about recent events, which is what I posted, a recent event.

[NotNow]

Yep, I remember the report issued by the Obama administration that warned of "right wing" extremism.  They even warned about veterans coming home.  Made themselves out to look like a bunch of bozo's.  There has been no such thing.  And the Tea Party has shown itself to be peaceful and law abiding, like normal concerned American citizens.  Yet they are disparaged by the White House and it's lackies as well as you and StephenDare!  You should be ashamed of yourselves for such biased, prejudiced, political mud slinging. 

Your exhibition of bravery is wasted here.  Show it to the families of the 3000 people who died on 09/11/01.  Or the families of the 17 brave sailors on the USS Cole who lost their lives.  Go say BOO! to the families of the 300 killed and the 5000 wounded in the African embassy attacks.  Say LOL! to all of the families of those brave people who have lost their lives protecting your sorry ass from the same threat.  Idiot.  I have grown used to hearing that kind of thankless drivel from those on here who have never sacrificed more than standing for the National Anthem and have never heard a shot fired in anger, but I can't believe a Devil Dog would ever say such a stupid thing.   

Yeah, boy, those idiots in the Clinton Administration sure got it wrong on the Oklahoma City Bombing, didnt they?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_McVeigh

Timothy James McVeigh (April 23, 1968 – June 11, 2001) was a United States Army veteran and former security guard who was convicted of detonating a truck bomb in front of the Alfred P. Murrah Building in Oklahoma City on April 19, 1995, killing 168 people, including 19 children under the age of six. It was the deadliest act of terrorism within the United States prior to the September 11, 2001 attacks,[3] and is referred to as the Oklahoma City bombing. McVeigh, a militia movement sympathizer, sought revenge against the federal government for the Waco Siege which had ended in the deaths of 76 people exactly two years earlier. He also hoped to inspire a revolt against what he considered a tyrannical federal government. He was convicted of 11 federal offenses, sentenced to death, and executed on June 11, 2001. Terry Nichols and Michael Fortier were also convicted in the plot.

I don't know what peyote patch you did yoga in this morning, NotNow, but your post doesnt have much going on in the way of reality based discussion.  I was actually quoting the report that you yourself posted.

But I guess this is as good an example as any about how nicely hinged the right wing is.

My point, Sir, was that the story did not refer to any "right wing" anything.  That was your considerable bias. 

My question was what "right wing" terror has occured since the Obama administration sought to warn us of the danger? 

[NotNow]

How do you "reduce" terrorism Jim?  Many in this country will tell you that if we would just pull out of the Middle East and not support Israel, (in other words, give up) we would be "safe".  Do you think that is true?  Do you think that if we just do as we are told that these nice people will just leave us alone?  Does anybody really believe that? 

Holy cow folks!  you don't even have to go far.  If you want, we will give you the addresses of mosques in Tampa and Miami where you can hear how much you are hated for yourselves.  Oh, I forgot, you won't be allowed in. 

Do as we're told?  No.  But change policy.

Can you give me 1 valid reason they attack us so fervently yet leave Canada alone?   Why aren't they attacking Australia?  Why not attack Brazil?  They don't seem to be giving Japan much problems?  And on and on. 

So why are we singled out?  What is it about us that makes them "hate" us over those other nations?  I'll tell you...foreign policy.

We are the biggest threat to our own safety and until we realize that and make policy changes to reflect it...we walk around with a big bulls eye on our backs.

They attack us for the same reasons they attack the British, the French, and the Russians.  We stop their aggression.   We are the leading voices against their stated purpose.  Like I said, we can pull back within our borders  and abandon Israel.  We might avoid being attacked for a while.  But our children will be fighting them here, IMHO.

[NotNow]

Holy Crap!  CIA is behind all terrorist?  Record failed attacks a good thing?  Toothpaste?  Can you people hear yourselves?  Bos is probably nuts but what the heck are the rest of you thinking?  I expect StephenDare! to do his usual evil Republican rant as well but his world is very small and it is occupied by only two kinds of people.  It is surprising that even a liberal bunch such as those that populate this site can not see reality. 

Jim, I know you to be a reasonable man.  What policies do you think we should change?  How well is appeasement working in North Korea?

[JC]

Yep, I remember the report issued by the Obama administration that warned of "right wing" extremism.  They even warned about veterans coming home.  Made themselves out to look like a bunch of bozo's.  There has been no such thing.  And the Tea Party has shown itself to be peaceful and law abiding, like normal concerned American citizens.  Yet they are disparaged by the White House and it's lackies as well as you and StephenDare!  You should be ashamed of yourselves for such biased, prejudiced, political mud slinging.  

Your exhibition of bravery is wasted here.  Show it to the families of the 3000 people who died on 09/11/01.  Or the families of the 17 brave sailors on the USS Cole who lost their lives.  Go say BOO! to the families of the 300 killed and the 5000 wounded in the African embassy attacks.  Say LOL! to all of the families of those brave people who have lost their lives protecting your sorry ass from the same threat.  Idiot.  I have grown used to hearing that kind of thankless drivel from those on here who have never sacrificed more than standing for the National Anthem and have never heard a shot fired in anger, but I can't believe a Devil Dog would ever say such a stupid thing.  

Just stop, please just stop for a minute and think about my words and put them in context.  I cant believe I have to go backward to this point.  

It is terrible when an innocent person dies, and I would NEVER attempt to tell anyone affected, I mean really affected by a terrorist attack how they should or shouldn't feel.  I will not ever live in fear of anything, especially not to honor the memory of others.  Fear is dangerous and it makes people do extremely stupid things, like defile the constitution, break international laws, commit war crimes and start illegal wars of aggression.  Their pain and the damage inflicted on those individuals is not worth a nation paralyzed by fear and it is damn sure not worth killing other innocent people, no matter how brown they are.  Unfortunately for your stupid attempt, I do not do guilt well either.

If you want to live in fear NN, go for it, I will not be imprisoned by a most basic of human emotions, nope, not gonna happen.

Now on to you and those who think like you!  It is despicable that you all use terrorism and fear, as well as the memories of dead innocents and American heroes to further your political agenda.  

Does anyone know how many of these terrorist attacks have been by right wingers?  By my count you have two Muslim extremists, the pantie bomber and the weekend griller in Times Square.  Now, lets see, we had the fuck wad that flew his plane into the IRS building, the nut job that killed Dr. Tiller, and the geriatric that attacked the Holocaust Museum.  Of course there was also the Military shrink who happened to be Muslim but I think was American born that killed a bunch of troops, arguably a home grown terrorist.

[JC]

Holy Crap!  CIA is behind all terrorist?  Record failed attacks a good thing?  Toothpaste?  Can you people hear yourselves?  Bos is probably nuts but what the heck are the rest of you thinking?  I expect StephenDare! to do his usual evil Republican rant as well but his world is very small and it is occupied by only two kinds of people.  It is surprising that even a liberal bunch such as those that populate this site can not see reality. 

Jim, I know you to be a reasonable man.  What policies do you think we should change?  How well is appeasement working in North Korea?

There are basic premises that you cant understand simply because you don't understand the even more basic ones.  Like, people don't appreciate American corporations exploiting them for their resources, they also don't like America meddling in their politics, killing their leaders and empowering puppets.  They RESPOND WITH VIOLENCE when this happens.  When 9/11 happened the chickens were coming home to roost, you can call me whatever unpatriotic blah blah you want but it is simply the truth!  And until AMERICA can ACKNOWLEDGE the AFFECTS of its FOREIGN POLICY and change them, we will be burying our troops and innocent civilians!

[NotNow]

Who is using this for political purposes?  I posted an article about a steep rise in attacks on Americans by radical Islamist.  StphenDare! did his usual and ignored the facts in the article in order to fit his bias in.  He wanted to (like he always does) make a POLITICAL statement.  You jumped on board with him and clearly wrote a post that minimized any danger from terrrorist.  I reminded you of those that sacrificed.

I am not asking anyone to live in fear.  I am asking them to be aware and realistic about the world we live in.  I am not the one that calls other people whatever "winger" I want.  

You might want to review your statements on some recent attacks.  The IRS attack was a left leaning nut (although I wouldn't blame the Democrats for that nut job).  And your home grown Army Major was a radicalized Muslim, which makes MY point, not yours.  


Your post was still insulting and disrespectful.  You should apologize.

[NotNow]

Holy Crap!  CIA is behind all terrorist?  Record failed attacks a good thing?  Toothpaste?  Can you people hear yourselves?  Bos is probably nuts but what the heck are the rest of you thinking?  I expect StephenDare! to do his usual evil Republican rant as well but his world is very small and it is occupied by only two kinds of people.  It is surprising that even a liberal bunch such as those that populate this site can not see reality. 

Jim, I know you to be a reasonable man.  What policies do you think we should change?  How well is appeasement working in North Korea?

There are basic premises that you cant understand simply because you don't understand the even more basic ones.  Like, people don't appreciate American corporations exploiting them for their resources, they also don't like America meddling in their politics, killing their leaders and empowering puppets.  They RESPOND WITH VIOLENCE when this happens.  When 9/11 happened the chickens were coming home to roost, you can call me whatever unpatriotic blah blah you want but it is simply the truth!  And until AMERICA can ACKNOWLEDGE the AFFECTS of its FOREIGN POLICY and change them, we will be burying our troops and innocent civilians!

You didn't have to tell me.  I know you think that the deaths of innocent Americans is the fault of America with out having to hear it from you directly.  You think they were "exploited"?  You think it is OUR fault that 3000 people were killed by flying commercial airliners filled with innocent civilians into buildings filled with innocent civilians?  You think it is OUR fault that a boat full of explosives was placed next to the USS Cole while on a port visit in a  friendly nation? 

"When 9/11 happened the chickens were coming home to roost", Huh? 

I think I understand perfectly.  You are an idiot.

[Jim]

Jim, I know you to be a reasonable man.  What policies do you think we should change?  How well is appeasement working in North Korea?

Do not confuse appeasement with a reduction in political incursions.  

It's a simple piece of logic.  All the places that hate us are the same places that we stick our political noses in.  And we don't just meddle around a little, we've helped topple popular regimes and put into power friends who ironically are now our enemies, etc...  

Look how much hatred our government gets from its own people just for the intrusion it does upon ourselves.  Now multiply that hatred a hundred fold when applied to far worse intrusion from a government 7,000 miles away.

Russia?  Go look at the Russian Afghan War.   The UK?  To the Middle East, that's just US state number 51.

Hate is an emotional response.  It's triggered by something.   Hate is not a naturally induced emotion without a stimuli.  You cannot hate to the point of taking life (including your own) without an incredibly intense cause.

Too many people in Washington want us to believe that trigger, that cause is the simple fact we are free.   Anyone that's ever taken a psychology course, even in high school, can tell those poeple in DC either have no idea what they are talking about or, worse still, know we are the cause but choose to hide it.

NN, I love our country.  I just don't love the way we assume we are a God established global police that can without repercussions enact our will against the world.  

The funny thing is that Osama Bin Laden even told us all this many times over.  The guys tells us why they attack us and morons like Rudolf Giuliani and Ben Stein call it the most ridiculous thing they've ever heard.   Fun fact: They both said that exact same thing word for word in regards to the exact same question 3 years apart.  Now that's one hell of a coincidence.

Stop banging the neighbors wife and your neighbor might stop trying to kill you.  Sounds logical to me.

[samiam]

NotNow
I just wanted to say God bless all the proud men and women that have served or are serving our country.

[JC]

Who is using this for political purposes?  I posted an article about a steep rise in attacks on Americans by radical Islamist.  StphenDare! did his usual and ignored the facts in the article in order to fit his bias in.  He wanted to (like he always does) make a POLITICAL statement.  You jumped on board with him and clearly wrote a post that minimized any danger from terrrorist.  I reminded you of those that sacrificed.

I am not asking anyone to live in fear.  I am asking them to be aware and realistic about the world we live in.  I am not the one that calls other people whatever "winger" I want.  

You might want to review your statements on some recent attacks.  The IRS attack was a left leaning nut (although I wouldn't blame the Democrats for that nut job).  And your home grown Army Major was a radicalized Muslim, which makes MY point, not yours.  


Your post was still insulting and disrespectful.  You should apologize.

I should apologize because you extrapolated what all from my post and became outraged?  Thats what you think I should do?  I honorably served my country in the Marine Corps, I am ENTITLED to be critical of America and its foreign policies.  I have also witnessed the military do some stupid things.  

A little anecdote

I was stationed in Beaufort SC on the air station.  When you pull onto base you present an ID along with your visible DOD sticker on your windshield.  Once your on base you are free to go anywhere accept the flight line, there is a second gate for that.  In order to access the flight line you had to have (I am sure there is some technological advancement now) a green ID card, a blue or red DOD sticker and a sticker on your ID card which showed you had clearance to enter the flight line.  When you go through the flight gate enough times the MPs start to recognize your car and usually wave you through (a security violation for sure) also, and I have done this when I forgot my ID, you can present something green, about the size of an ID card and they would wave you through, something like the Marlboro Menthol's I used to smoke.  Anyway, life was great, getting off and on the flight line was relatively simple and then one day I left my barracks parking lot to enter a mile long line of traffic moving very slowly trying to get onto the flight line.  After creeping along for 45 minutes I got to the gate and asked the guard why he had made me 40 minutes late.  He said "today is the anniversary of the bombing of the Marine Barracks in Lebanon and we are checking everyone's IDs"  I asked "are you fucking kidding me?" he said, "sadly no."  How about that?  What make you of MAG 31s decision to act like such dumb asses?  Normally you can just slip by with a pack of smokes but today, oh today, things are going to be tightened up!  

You have in a very week attempt tried to make it seem as though I have done something wrong, first off those men and women who are dying in Iraq and Afghanistan are not doing so to protect me, you and they may think they are but they are dying for OIL and GLOBAL DOMINANCE, not NATIONAL DEFENSE.  The people who died on 9/11 are more the victim of Americas foreign policy than terrorists and although I am sympathetic to them as fellow humans, I will not let their tragedy scare me into doing something stupid.  

Truth be told NN,  your arguments disgust me, they are the essence of what is wrong with America, they are the reason we are having the foreign policy nightmare we are having right now.  They are the reason for wars, death and destruction and people who think like you are scared, you are basic and primitive and unfortunately for me you and yours will be around until evolution takes care of you, until the primitive scared part of our brains are evolved away!  It is good to see you are in the minority on this forum, but keep on keepin on NN, maybe you will convince someone of something!

You didn't have to tell me.  I know you think that the deaths of innocent Americans is the fault of America with out having to hear it from you directly.  You think they were "exploited"?  You think it is OUR fault that 3000 people were killed by flying commercial airliners filled with innocent civilians into buildings filled with innocent civilians?  You think it is OUR fault that a boat full of explosives was placed next to the USS Cole while on a port visit in a  friendly nation?  

"When 9/11 happened the chickens were coming home to roost", Huh?  

I think I understand perfectly.  You are an idiot.

I know I have reached a good place in life when people like you can figure out that I am an idiot!

Stop banging the neighbors wife and your neighbor might stop trying to kill you.  Sounds logical to me.

Brilliant insight Jim!

[NotNow]

Thank you Sam.  And I say God bless to them as well.  I have lost a few good friends, and I will think of them and pray for them this holiday weekend.

Jim, do you believe that if we completely pulled out of the Middle East, the region would be better off and we would not suffer any attacks by Muslim extremists?  Do you think that they would see our withdrawal as weakness, and then press on attacks and demands for withdrawal of our support for Israel?  Would it stop then?  Or would the next demand be to but out in Pakistan when an Islamic government took over?  Do you think that Iran is capable of using a nuclear weapon?  What should be the response to that if they do?  A UN resolution?  An Israeli nuke response?  An American nuke response or invasion?  

The point of all these questions is to point out the fallicy of appeasement.  Speak softly and carry a big stick.

[JC]

Thank you Sam.  And I say God bless to them as well.  I have lost a few good friends, and I will think of them and pray for them this holiday weekend.

Jim, do you believe that if we completely pulled out of the Middle East, the region would be better off and we would not suffer any attacks by Muslim extremists?

Please dont pretend you give a shit about the Middle East on any other level than some paranoid need to feel safe and to have oil.  Just stop, this concern for Mid Easterners is fake!

Do you think that they would see our withdrawal as weakness, and then press on attacks and demands for withdrawal of our support for Israel?

It would seem weak to some, but only to those who already "hate us for our freedoms" lol!  Israel has nothing to do with the invasion of Iraq or Afghanistan, don't pretend like you know anything about Israel, because you don't know shit.

Would it stop then?

Would what stop?

Or would the next demand be to but out in Pakistan when an Islamic government took over?  

Well since America enabled the Taliban who knows what they would do in Pakistan.

Do you think that Iran is capable of using a nuclear weapon?

Clearly they are not, or if they were and as crazy as some of YOU claim, they already would have!   

What should be the response to that if they do?  A UN resolution? An Israeli nuke response?  An American nuke response or invasion?  

Can you tell me the first and only country to ever use a nuclear weapon on a population?

The point of all these questions is to point out the fallicy of appeasement.  Speak softly and carry a big stick.

Just LOL...  You are perpetuating a false argument here.

[NotNow]

Who is using this for political purposes?  I posted an article about a steep rise in attacks on Americans by radical Islamist.  StphenDare! did his usual and ignored the facts in the article in order to fit his bias in.  He wanted to (like he always does) make a POLITICAL statement.  You jumped on board with him and clearly wrote a post that minimized any danger from terrrorist.  I reminded you of those that sacrificed.

I am not asking anyone to live in fear.  I am asking them to be aware and realistic about the world we live in.  I am not the one that calls other people whatever "winger" I want.  

You might want to review your statements on some recent attacks.  The IRS attack was a left leaning nut (although I wouldn't blame the Democrats for that nut job).  And your home grown Army Major was a radicalized Muslim, which makes MY point, not yours.  


Your post was still insulting and disrespectful.  You should apologize.

I should apologize because you extrapolated what all from my post and became outraged?  That's what you think I should do?  I honorably served my country in the Marine Corps, I am ENTITLED to be critical of America and its foreign policies.  I have also witnessed the military do some stupid things.  

A little anecdote

I was stationed in Beaufort SC on the air station.  When you pull onto base you present an ID along with your visible DOD sticker on your windshield.  Once your on base you are free to go anywhere accept the flight line, there is a second gate for that.  In order to access the flight line you had to have (I am sure there is some technological advancement now) a green ID card, a blue or red DOD sticker and a sticker on your ID card which showed you had clearance to enter the flight line.  When you go through the flight gate enough times the MPs start to recognize your car and usually wave you through (a security violation for sure) also, and I have done this when I forgot my ID, you can present something green, about the size of an ID card and they would wave you through, something like the Marlboro Menthol's I used to smoke.  Anyway, life was great, getting off and on the flight line was relatively simple and then one day I left my barracks parking lot to enter a mile long line of traffic moving very slowly trying to get onto the flight line.  After creeping along for 45 minutes I got to the gate and asked the guard why he had made me 40 minutes late.  He said "today is the anniversary of the bombing of the Marine Barracks in Lebanon and we are checking everyone's IDs"  I asked "are you fucking kidding me?" he said, "sadly no."  How about that?  What make you of MAG 31s decision to act like such dumb asses?  Normally you can just slip by with a pack of smokes but today, oh today, things are going to be tightened up!  

You have in a very week attempt tried to make it seem as though I have done something wrong, first off those men and women who are dying in Iraq and Afghanistan are not doing so to protect me, you and they may think they are but they are dying for OIL and GLOBAL DOMINANCE, not NATIONAL DEFENSE.  The people who died on 9/11 are more the victim of Americas foreign policy than terrorists and although I am sympathetic to them as fellow humans, I will not let their tragedy scare me into doing something stupid.  

Truth be told NN,  your arguments disgust me, they are the essence of what is wrong with America, they are the reason we are having the foreign policy nightmare we are having right now.  They are the reason for wars, death and destruction and people who think like you are scared, you are basic and primitive and unfortunately for me you and yours will be around until evolution takes care of you, until the primitive scared part of our brains are evolved away!  It is good to see you are in the minority on this forum, but keep on keepin on NN, maybe you will convince someone of something!

You didn't have to tell me.  I know you think that the deaths of innocent Americans is the fault of America with out having to hear it from you directly.  You think they were "exploited"?  You think it is OUR fault that 3000 people were killed by flying commercial airliners filled with innocent civilians into buildings filled with innocent civilians?  You think it is OUR fault that a boat full of explosives was placed next to the USS Cole while on a port visit in a  friendly nation?  

"When 9/11 happened the chickens were coming home to roost", Huh?  

I think I understand perfectly.  You are an idiot.

I know I have reached a good place in life when people like you can figure out that I am an idiot!

Stop banging the neighbors wife and your neighbor might stop trying to kill you.  Sounds logical to me.

Brilliant insight Jim!

JC,

You are right.  You are entitled to your opinion.  I strongly disagree with you, and I am disappointed when I hear someone rattle of the "blame America" talking points.  

Basic and primitive are probably good descriptors for me.  Life has taught me that most things are pretty basic.  If it walks like a duck, in real life it is probably a duck.  Think of me as stupid or scared if you wish.  I have spent my life under arms, and a few years on our present battlegrounds.  I see people who want to hurt and take from others every day.  The GI Bill even provided me with a BS degree so that I can cover a pretty good sized stain on my wall.  

I'll agree to disagree with you.  And I wouldn't share that 9/11 opinion of yours in any of the places that I frequent, if I were you.

[JC]

A little education for you NN

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-FLIBkTg8g

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbDMam_jGVk&feature=related

JC,

You are right.  You are entitled to your opinion.  I strongly disagree with you, and I am disappointed when I hear someone rattle of the "blame America" talking points. 

Basic and primitive are probably good descriptors for me.  Life has taught me that most things are pretty basic.  If it walks like a duck, in real life it is probably a duck.  Think of me as stupid or scared if you wish.  I have spent my life under arms, and a few years on our present battlegrounds.  I see people who want to hurt and take from others every day.  The GI Bill even provided me with a BS degree so that I can cover a pretty good sized stain on my wall. 

I'll agree to disagree with you.  And I wouldn't share that 9/11 opinion of yours in any of the places that I frequent, if I were you.

What is it that makes you think America is above "blame" or question for its foreign policy decisions?  The connections between the involved parties are not coincidence.

As I have said before, it is a terrible tragedy when an innocent person dies, I just dont make a distinction between innocent people from America or Iraq, Afghanistan, Japan or where ever.

I'll agree to disagree with you.  And I wouldn't share that 9/11 opinion of yours in any of the places that I frequent, if I were you.

Can you please explain this point, are you threatening me because it surely seems like you are.