Jacksonville's 2030 Mobility Plan

[tufsu1]

Local comprehensive plans must also comply with 163.3177, F.S., which requires the adoption of strategies to reduce greenhouse gas emissions and promote energy-efficient land use patterns. Pursuant to SB 360 and 163.3177, F.S., the City of Jacksonville Planning and Development Department has prepared a draft 2030 Mobility Plan. 

I think that this new statute will be a key driving force in requiring Jacksonville to move forward with this plan. If we don't, then we won't be in compliance with state law.

I suppose the city council could deny the entire plan, but we will still need to comply with 163.3177 and it's doubtful we will be able to do that without investments in transit.

just about everyone in the state is trying to figure out how to deal with 163.3177....interestingly, studies are showing that successful transit only has a minimal effect on greehouse gas emissions.

[Ocklawaha]

Friend TUFSU, could it be because most transit systems, especially in this relm are powered by fossil fuels?

As for 163.3177, me thinkith yon Village Elders are about to experience a moment of misericordia in the monastery.


OCKLAWAHA
Look that up in your Funk and Wagnalls

[thelakelander]

Local comprehensive plans must also comply with 163.3177, F.S., which requires the adoption of strategies to reduce greenhouse gas emissions and promote energy-efficient land use patterns. Pursuant to SB 360 and 163.3177, F.S., the City of Jacksonville Planning and Development Department has prepared a draft 2030 Mobility Plan. 

I think that this new statute will be a key driving force in requiring Jacksonville to move forward with this plan. If we don't, then we won't be in compliance with state law.

I suppose the city council could deny the entire plan, but we will still need to comply with 163.3177 and it's doubtful we will be able to do that without investments in transit.

just about everyone in the state is trying to figure out how to deal with 163.3177....interestingly, studies are showing that successful transit only has a minimal effect on greehouse gas emissions.

A minimal effect is better than going in the opposite direction.  However, this is why investing in multimodal transportation options and integrating supportive land use changes is important.  Nothing alone will have a great impact.  However a mix of higher building densities, bicycle and pedestrian connections along with efficient mass transit has the power to have a great impact.

[thelakelander]

Local comprehensive plans must also comply with 163.3177, F.S., which requires the adoption of strategies to reduce greenhouse gas emissions and promote energy-efficient land use patterns. Pursuant to SB 360 and 163.3177, F.S., the City of Jacksonville Planning and Development Department has prepared a draft 2030 Mobility Plan. 

I think that this new statute will be a key driving force in requiring Jacksonville to move forward with this plan. If we don't, then we won't be in compliance with state law.

I suppose the city council could deny the entire plan, but we will still need to comply with 163.3177 and it's doubtful we will be able to do that without investments in transit.

I find this to be a beautiful thing.  For the last few years, we've said things would move this way and either Jax could accept it and plan accordingly or be pulled kicking and screaming.  It looks like we'll be pulled kicking and screaming.

[Ocklawaha]

I find this to be a beautiful thing.  For the last few years, we've said things would move this way and either Jax could accept it and plan accordingly or be pulled kicking and screaming.  It looks like we'll be pulled kicking and screaming.

Maybe so Lake, but you know what they said about me 30 years ago?  Sometimes it helps to admit it!
I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us are...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad....

"WHY IS JACKSONVILLE PLANNING CONDUCIVE TO MASS TRANSIT?"

"Have you guessed the riddle yet?" Ocklawaha said, turning to Peyton again.
"No, I give it up," Peyton replied. "What's the answer?"
"I haven't the slightest idea," said Ock.
"Nor I," said Mike Miller.
Peyton sighed wearily. "OCK, I think you might do something better with the time," he said, "than wasting it in asking riddles that have no answers."
"Pogo sticks heir Peyton, Pogo Sticks..."
"Hee hee..."

OCKLAWAHA

[buckethead]

Did anyone see the channel 4 news special on transit infrastructure in the first coast area?

They (interviewed guests, Richard Clark, Charles H Crist)  were pitching the outer beltway like no ones business.

When I see it, my cynical side emerges, and it all smells like a sweetheart deal to turn millionairs into billionairs.

Someone talk me off the proverbial ledge. (or should I just jump?)

[thelakelander]

No reason to jump.  The Outer Beltway will require the private sector to pony up the $2 billion in cash to construct it before the first toll is collected.  Still waiting to see who's man enough to risk that type of money on road project that will struggle to collect enough toll revenue to support itself.

[buckethead]

It was unclear to me what portion of the 2B was privately invested. Someone also suggested the estimated cost was refigured at 20% - 30% lower. Significant.

I really doubt that a private investor(s) will drop 2B in hopes of earning a profit to be collected from tolls. Bailout provisions to follow?

[thelakelander]

My guess is if someone does pony up the cash, once it fails and goes into default, the taxpayer will be left holding the bag.  From my understanding, this scenario is currently playing out in Greenville, SC.

[Ocklawaha]

Well it's bound to have an amazing success among cows at Gustaffson's.  That plus, Sharron, a sawmill village (3 homes today) South of Penny Farms, that last had a direct connection to the outside world via the South-Western Railway of Florida, a narrow gauge line from Green Cove to Melrose, in the 1890's, could be in for a land boom!

OCKLAWAHA

[Coolyfett]

The Disney World Monorail covers 14 miles, the Jacksonville Monorail covers 2 miles. I never thought a theme park system would be bigger than a metro city's system. Thats odd.

Where are they extenting the Skyway to in this 2030 plan?

[thelakelander]

^Atlantic Blvd in San Marco.

[tufsu1]

The Disney World Monorail covers 14 miles, the Jacksonville Monorail covers 2 miles. I never thought a theme park system would be bigger than a metro city's system. Thats odd.

Disney also has the largest bus system (ridership) in Florida...its called "captive market"

[Ocklawaha]

The Disney World Monorail covers 14 miles, the Jacksonville Monorail covers 2 miles. I never thought a theme park system would be bigger than a metro city's system. Thats odd.

Where are they extenting the Skyway to in this 2030 plan?

Disney might be a theme park, but they are also an incorporated city.  The Disney Transit network is world class and the monorail is the busiest in the world, making it a great testbed for any future mono-toys.

Our's certainly needs to be expanded in 4 directions, if we get just one route that is successful, (NOTE I DIDN'T SAY PROFITABLE) the other 3 might take care of themselves. We need to define success early on, 2x current? 3x? Whatever...

OCKLAWAHA

[Mattius92]

I did a fictional extension of the Skyway system with about 5 additional miles added to it.



Legend:

Orange: Existing System

Red: Added line

Yellow: Current and proposed stations

Blue: Alternative Route for the Riverside Extension.


The extensions will have these following stations:

Riverside Extension: Fidelity, Five Points, and St Vincents.

Bay Street Extension: Courthouse/Hyatt/Future Convention Center and Sports Complex

San Marco Extension: N. San Marco and S. San Marco.