Offshore Oil Drilling and the Oil Rig Disaster in the Gulf

Started by RiversideGator, April 30, 2008, 01:14:37 AM

Do you support Oil Drilling off of Florida's First Coast?

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Dog Walker

#375
April 26, 2010, 12:45:41 PM
With this going on do we really need to drill more?

http://articles.latimes.com/2010/mar/11/business/la-fi-refineries11-2010mar11
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Lunican

#376
April 26, 2010, 12:51:04 PM

BridgeTroll

#377
April 26, 2010, 01:51:23 PM
QuoteI cant believe anyone is surprised by this.  I just want to shout a resounding "WE TOLD YOU SO" from the roof tops.

Who exactly is surprised?  I'm not...  I will join in the "I TOLD YOU SO"... but it doesn't mean anything.  Even the pro drillers (such as I) could have predicted a drilling accident in the future.  The only thing it changes is I am sure the will to drill is now gone.  The need to does not.  Our need for oil is not diminished one iota by this disaster... the dangers of transporting oil does not change and yet...

There is no substitute.  You make it sound as if the "pro drillers" would not prefer free,clean, and cheap, energy over what we have.  The fact is it does not exist... and will not for decades.
In a boat at sea one of the men began to bore a hole in the bottom of the boat. On being remonstrating with, he answered, "I am only boring under my own seat." "Yes," said his companions, "but when the sea rushes in we shall all be drowned with you."

JC

#378
April 26, 2010, 01:54:46 PM
Quote from: BridgeTroll on April 26, 2010, 01:51:23 PM
QuoteI cant believe anyone is surprised by this.  I just want to shout a resounding "WE TOLD YOU SO" from the roof tops.

Who exactly is surprised?  I'm not...  I will join in the "I TOLD YOU SO"... but it doesn't mean anything.  Even the pro drillers (such as I) could have predicted a drilling accident in the future.  The only thing it changes is I am sure the will to drill is now gone.  The need to does not.  Our need for oil is not diminished one iota by this disaster... the dangers of transporting oil does not change and yet...

There is no substitute.  You make it sound as if the "pro drillers" would not prefer free,clean, and cheap, energy over what we have.  The fact is it does not exist... and will not for decades.

lulz!

BridgeTroll

#379
April 26, 2010, 01:54:57 PM
Um... uh... duh... no... Stephen... I dont.  Of course you know that.  It cannot, and does not compete.  It will not for the forseeable future provide what coal and oil do.  Plain and simple.
In a boat at sea one of the men began to bore a hole in the bottom of the boat. On being remonstrating with, he answered, "I am only boring under my own seat." "Yes," said his companions, "but when the sea rushes in we shall all be drowned with you."

BridgeTroll

#380
April 26, 2010, 02:02:02 PM
Perhaps we should close all the oil rigs... on shore and off.  Park the tankers and shut down the coal mines.  I am sure civilization would go on just fine... the environment would be cleaner and we would all be safer and much better off.

Oops... maybe not.  we saw what a weeks worth of closed airspace just did to america and europe.
In a boat at sea one of the men began to bore a hole in the bottom of the boat. On being remonstrating with, he answered, "I am only boring under my own seat." "Yes," said his companions, "but when the sea rushes in we shall all be drowned with you."

BridgeTroll

#381
April 26, 2010, 02:14:48 PM
I did not provide one... perhaps you would be so kind. :)
In a boat at sea one of the men began to bore a hole in the bottom of the boat. On being remonstrating with, he answered, "I am only boring under my own seat." "Yes," said his companions, "but when the sea rushes in we shall all be drowned with you."

gatorback

#382
April 26, 2010, 02:27:42 PM
Well, I want some of what RG is smoking...

Quote from: stephendare on April 26, 2010, 12:47:35 PM
ah yes....another oldie but goodie.

Quote from: RiversideGator on July 22, 2008, 02:13:06 PM
The real truth is liberals want high oil prices.  They want these because they want society to be reoriented in ways that they prefer (more mass transit, denser development, to stop "global warming", etc) but that voters evidently do not want.  So, instead of going to the people and asking for a gas tax to raise oil prices to levels they prefer they do sneaky things like prevent drilling where known oil quantities are located, prevent the development of new refineries domestically, try to scare people, etc.  I think this is fundamentally dishonest and they should be ashamed of themselves.  I am personally all for denser development and more mass transit and less fossil fuel use but the shift has to be gradual and voluntary IMO.
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BridgeTroll

#383
April 26, 2010, 02:32:15 PM
QuoteWell thats odd.  If they are similar costs and output, except one pollutes and has ecological catastrophes and the other one doesnt, wouldnt that be more sensible?

You would think so huh...  Where are they?  One would think we would replace the evil one with the good one right away.  One would think Exxon, GE, Halliburton, et al would be building windmills and solar panel power plants all over the place.

And yet... not much


In a boat at sea one of the men began to bore a hole in the bottom of the boat. On being remonstrating with, he answered, "I am only boring under my own seat." "Yes," said his companions, "but when the sea rushes in we shall all be drowned with you."

BridgeTroll

#384
April 26, 2010, 03:22:06 PM
Those companies are in the energy business.  You would be the first to accuse them of being greedy.  If they could provide clean energy at less cost to themselves... they would do it.  In a freeking heartbeat.  GE and others are working on it...  They would be the first to tell you that they are not there yet.  In fact virtually everybody KNOWS we/they are not there yet.

Since this is about oil rigs... and oil... the issue at hand is really transportation.  I'm guessing wind and solar powered cars, trains, planes, ships are even further away than powerplants.  Oil... and the need for oil is just a fact of life.  If you want to decrease your dependence on foreign oil... one of the ways to do so is to exploit deposits within our country.

I and many other "pro drillers" are not against new power sources.  Speaking for myself... I am 100% for development of these technologies... BUT they do not yet serve the needs yet... and will not for a very long time.
In a boat at sea one of the men began to bore a hole in the bottom of the boat. On being remonstrating with, he answered, "I am only boring under my own seat." "Yes," said his companions, "but when the sea rushes in we shall all be drowned with you."

Doctor_K

#385
April 26, 2010, 03:38:36 PM
Solar-only powered cars are not available on the mass-market.  They cannot compete with internal-combustion gasoline-engined cars.  They won't for a long time. 

Theoretically could they?  Absoutely.  Will they be as readily available in every mass market around the world as ICE cars are now?  Debateable.  Doubtful.

Planes, trains, automobiles, and ships of practically every kind are still powered by fossil fuels.  I'd love to board a solar-powered, zero-emission airplane and fly transcontinentally.  Doesn't mean I can, or even will in my lifetime.  I'm not saying "won't"; merely "certainly not yet."

I'm not going to put words into BTs posts or mouth, but I read that argument as alternate-energy not being able to compete with fossil fuels right now, for the everyday everything.  I agree with that.  I don't see how you don't, Stephen.
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Dog Walker

#386
April 26, 2010, 03:51:22 PM
As much as I like alternative energy (and I have a roof full of solar panels), transportation still relies on liquid or compressed gas, fossil fuels.  We can and should conserve our way to relying only on oil from North America.

Didn't you know that we "import" most of our "foreign" oil from Canada, not Saudi Arabia?

We've got lots of natural gas on-shore here in the U.S.  I'm with T. Boone Pickens; we should use our natural gas resources until a combination of the alternatives can replace oil.  We can have a lot of CNG powered cars on the road much faster than we can have practical electrics on the road.  Cleaner, faster too.
When all else fails hug the dog.

BridgeTroll

#387
April 26, 2010, 04:00:22 PM
Im with you Doc and DW... :)
In a boat at sea one of the men began to bore a hole in the bottom of the boat. On being remonstrating with, he answered, "I am only boring under my own seat." "Yes," said his companions, "but when the sea rushes in we shall all be drowned with you."

JC

#388
April 26, 2010, 04:04:16 PM
Quote from: BridgeTroll on April 26, 2010, 04:00:22 PM
Im with you Doc and DW... :)

Of course you are. 

Emergencies and shortages are great motivators.

BridgeTroll

#389
April 26, 2010, 04:14:38 PM
Last I checked oil and gas were not obsolete but essential and there is most definitely a shortage of alternatives!
In a boat at sea one of the men began to bore a hole in the bottom of the boat. On being remonstrating with, he answered, "I am only boring under my own seat." "Yes," said his companions, "but when the sea rushes in we shall all be drowned with you."
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