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Run, Al, Run!

Started by stephendare, July 09, 2007, 09:56:48 AM

buckethead

Admitting abusive behavior is the first step to recovery!

Burn to Shine

I'm not into Al Gore or Bush...apparently Clinton is though.  ;) 

NotNow

Thanks for emphasizing.  My arguments of the time still make good sense to me.  Are you coming around to the truth StephenDare!?
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NotNow

You were more accurate than most, I agree.  What "rocket docket" are you referring to?  I think the fraudulent foreclosures were...well, fraudulent.  It should be investigated and if criminal charges apply, then we should prosecute.  It will be a mess for years.  I don't think that the numbers of homeless have approached what you were describing.  There has certainly been economic problems for the last few years, and many Americans have suffered a decline in their financial situation.  But, thank God, we have not seen the 20-30% unemployment of the Great Depression, which is the least of what you seemed to be describing.  Hopefully, that will not come to pass in the future.  Illegal gambling?  If you count those little "game rooms" that seem to have cropped up everywhere, then yes it has certainly increased.  It is not illegal though.  I wish it was.  I don't see the increased drug use or domestic violence that you predicted.  I'm sure you would agree with me that is a good thing. 

But all in all, you did predict better than most.  I certainly did not see it getting as bad as it did. 

Now, if you could just get the politics right....   :)
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NotNow

I think those "tea party idiots" just may save this nation if you aren't careful.
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NotNow

I'm not sure what your point was in quoting me at this much later time, but isn't it interesting that Mr. Obama essentially continued the policies of the Bush administration?  Heck, he's even gotten us into another war!  Not at all what I expected, you?
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NotNow

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I must admit that I was wrong when it comes to foreign wars.  President Obama has behaved much differently than I would have guessed.  I would be curious to know in what speech you heard him say that he would keep troops in Iraq, keep Gitmo open, approve military tribunals for terrorists, invade Libya, and invade Pakistan.  In fact, his speeches contained statements that he would do just the opposite.  Even his "concentration on Afghanistan" turned out to be appointing President Bush's general (remember General BetrayUs?) to repeat the same policy from Iraq.  Are you claiming that he stated he would do any of this?  As for the Constitutional question, I do not and have never questioned the Presidents right to take military action, per our current laws, and I supported him, reluctantly, in his Libyan invasion.  President Bush obtained Congressional approval for his military adventures, and I would expect President Obama to do the same within the alloted time on the Libyan issue.  Don't you?  Are these policies not the "opposite" of what candidate Obama "promised"?

His domestic policy has met my expectations, however, and can hardly be considered anything but "liberal", "democrat", "progressive", or whatever you are calling yourselves these days.  The mess that "Obamacare" has become, with politcal cronies receiving "exemptions" and new revelations every day of what the law entails.  Federal spending is out of control (even more than the republicans!) and massive debts predicted by the WH itself for years to come.  I am always amused at how quickly the call of "Bush is responsible for 2009" goes out.  I suppose that Mr. Obama is compelled to follow the policies of Mr. Bush?  

Wall street has certainly been looking up though.  The indexes are way up.  Of course, profits are setting records as well, and the same old system of mega bonuses is in play again.  This time for the contributors to the democrats.  Not much change there, is there?  

Energy policy anyone?  Anyone?

Your crystal ball lacks clarity.  I think that is just a mirror you are staring into lovingly.
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NotNow

Source of the Dole statement?  Mr. Dole made many mistakes, but I don't remember that one.

Opposite of what happened?  What are you talking about?  Are we still in Iraq?  Is Gitmo open?  Has the President authorized military tribunals?  Are we not involved in a war in Libya?  Is the President not authorizing military engagement in Pakistan and Libya without congressional approval?  (Not that I disagree, but Mr. Obama made numerous statements that such action was "illegal").  How many "exemptions" have been granted to Obamacare?  How many have been applied for?  Seen any tax increases proposed for those making less than $250,000?

Mr. Obamas record is clear.  If you think Obamacare is "hardly liberal", then your thinking is way outside of the general concensus.

Care to answer the questions?
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NotNow

Your "submission" is a joke.  Propagandized?  From the Huffington Post master?

I'm not sure what your idea of a "moderate Republican" is.  I will state that the Obama administrations spending habits are anything but "moderate".  $1+ Trillion dollar deficits as far as the eye can see.  $16 Trillion federal debt by the end of Obama's first term.  If Obamacare gets past the Supreme Court, then add another $1.7 Trillion to that.

So now you support our activities in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Libya.  You support the use of drones to kill terrorists.  You are a supporter of the prison in Cuba and the use of military tribunals.  I'm glad that you have seen the light in the area of terrorism, at least.
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