Entire Antarctic Shelf splitting away from Continent.

[Social Conservative]

Social Conservative, it might be better to leave the promotion of new earth creationism to the experts in the field. You are doing a poor job of representing this cause and as such are tarnishing the entire movement.

There are numerous websites devoted to this subject that have in depth discussions of all the important and pertinent advances in this field, as well as a museum in Kentucky. I am deeply offended that you are representing this important cause in such an inadequate fashion.

If your arguments were more reasoned and compelling, I am certain that all who read them would understand the  basic underlying truth in this interpretation of the creation of Earth, and would also understand that the Earth's age cannot possibly exceed 8,000 years.

Please avail yourself of the myriad resources on this subject for the purposes of self education and return when you are equipped to adequately represent this advancement of human knowledge and awareness in a way that permits all people to follow your teachings.

Ask and it will be given to you; seek and ye shall find; knock and the door will be opened unto you. For everyone who asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.
Matthew 7:7-8

I apologize for the delay in response.  I have not had the opportunity to log on for an extended period time that would allow me to respond.

I also apologize if I have offended you Midway.  My intent was certainly not to offend anyone.  However, I believe you are misguided in your critisism considering I have made no attempt to defend my faith.  I plainly stated that my beliefs derive from Scripture; and that is all I stated.  My point in this conversation has not been to defend the age of the earth, but to point out that regardless of what you believe you believe it based on your faith in something.  You certainly can't disagree with that can you?

I disagree with you that it is NOT possible to prove that the earth is less than 8,000 years old.  Just like Lunican can not prove that the earth is greater than 8,000 years old.  If our beliefs are based on faith, and they are, then there is no tangible certainty in the equasion on either side.

If you are asking me what do I base my faith on the answer is The Bible.  I believe The Bible is the inspired word of God given to us graciously by Him in order that we will know Him better and will be able to, through the power of the Holy Spirit, reflect His holiness in our daily lives.  I believe The Bible should be read literally as the author meant it to be read.  I believe The Bible tells us that based on the geneological records given to us by God the age of the earth to be around 6,000 years old.  I also believe that Jesus Christ is the son of God, died for our sins on the cross, rose again 3 days later and ascended to the right hand of the Father 40 days after that.  I believe that every man (woman) who accepts Jesus Christ as his (her) Lord and Savior will be redeemed my Him, sactified and made righteous and will live in eternity with the One True Living God.

[RiversideGator]

More concerns re global cooling:

The Sun Also Sets

By INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY | Posted Thursday, February 07, 2008 4:20 PM PT

Climate Change: Not every scientist is part of Al Gore's mythical "consensus." Scientists worried about a new ice age seek funding to better observe something bigger than your SUV â€" the sun.

Related Topics: Global Warming

Back in 1991, before Al Gore first shouted that the Earth was in the balance, the Danish Meteorological Institute released a study using data that went back centuries that showed that global temperatures closely tracked solar cycles.

To many, those data were convincing. Now, Canadian scientists are seeking additional funding for more and better "eyes" with which to observe our sun, which has a bigger impact on Earth's climate than all the tailpipes and smokestacks on our planet combined.

And they're worried about global cooling, not warming.

Kenneth Tapping, a solar researcher and project director for Canada's National Research Council, is among those looking at the sun for evidence of an increase in sunspot activity.

Solar activity fluctuates in an 11-year cycle. But so far in this cycle, the sun has been disturbingly quiet. The lack of increased activity could signal the beginning of what is known as a Maunder Minimum, an event which occurs every couple of centuries and can last as long as a century.

Such an event occurred in the 17th century. The observation of sunspots showed extraordinarily low levels of magnetism on the sun, with little or no 11-year cycle.

This solar hibernation corresponded with a period of bitter cold that began around 1650 and lasted, with intermittent spikes of warming, until 1715. Frigid winters and cold summers during that period led to massive crop failures, famine and death in Northern Europe.

Tapping reports no change in the sun's magnetic field so far this cycle and warns that if the sun remains quiet for another year or two, it may indicate a repeat of that period of drastic cooling of the Earth, bringing massive snowfall and severe weather to the Northern Hemisphere.

Tapping oversees the operation of a 60-year-old radio telescope that he calls a "stethoscope for the sun." But he and his colleagues need better equipment.

In Canada, where radio-telescopic monitoring of the sun has been conducted since the end of World War II, a new instrument, the next-generation solar flux monitor, could measure the sun's emissions more rapidly and accurately.

As we have noted many times, perhaps the biggest impact on the Earth's climate over time has been the sun.

For instance, researchers at the Max Planck Institute for Solar Research in Germany report the sun has been burning more brightly over the last 60 years, accounting for the 1 degree Celsius increase in Earth's temperature over the last 100 years.

R. Timothy Patterson, professor of geology and director of the Ottawa-Carleton Geoscience Center of Canada's Carleton University, says that "CO2 variations show little correlation with our planet's climate on long, medium and even short time scales."

Rather, he says, "I and the first-class scientists I work with are consistently finding excellent correlations between the regular fluctuations of the sun and earthly climate. This is not surprising. The sun and the stars are the ultimate source of energy on this planet."

Patterson, sharing Tapping's concern, says: "Solar scientists predict that, by 2020, the sun will be starting into its weakest Schwabe cycle of the past two centuries, likely leading to unusually cool conditions on Earth."

"Solar activity has overpowered any effect that CO2 has had before, and it most likely will again," Patterson says. "If we were to have even a medium-sized solar minimum, we could be looking at a lot more bad effects than 'global warming' would have had."

In 2005, Russian astronomer Khabibullo Abdusamatov made some waves â€" and not a few enemies in the global warming "community" â€" by predicting that the sun would reach a peak of activity about three years from now, to be accompanied by "dramatic changes" in temperatures.

A Hoover Institution Study a few years back examined historical data and came to a similar conclusion.

"The effects of solar activity and volcanoes are impossible to miss. Temperatures fluctuated exactly as expected, and the pattern was so clear that, statistically, the odds of the correlation existing by chance were one in 100," according to Hoover fellow Bruce Berkowitz.

The study says that "try as we might, we simply could not find any relationship between industrial activity, energy consumption and changes in global temperatures."

The study concludes that if you shut down all the world's power plants and factories, "there would not be much effect on temperatures."

But if the sun shuts down, we've got a problem. It is the sun, not the Earth, that's hanging in the balance.

http://ibdeditorial.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=287279412587175

[Charleston native]

More damning evidence that humans do not and cannot control the weather or the planet, as much as these hoaxers "deny" the obvious.

[RiversideGator]

More signs of global cooling:

China battles "coldest winter in 100 years"
Mon Feb 4, 2008 9:28am GMT

By John Ruwitch

CHENZHOU, China, Feb 4 (Reuters) - Millions remained stranded in China on Monday ahead of the biggest holiday of the year as parts of the country suffered their coldest winter in a century.

Freezing weather has killed scores of people and left travellers stranded before the Lunar New Year, or Spring Festival -- the only opportunity many people have to take a holiday all year.

It has also brought China unwanted negative publicity six months before the Summer Olympics in Beijing.

President Hu Jintao chaired an emergency Politburo meeting on Sunday for the second time in a week to discuss rescue efforts.

"We have to be clear-minded that the inclement weather and severe disaster will continue to plague certain regions in the south," said a statement issued after Sunday's meeting. "Relief work will continue to face challenges, posing a tough task."

The China Meteorological Administration said the weather was the coldest in 100 years in central Hubei and Hunan provinces, going by the total number of consecutive days of average temperature less than 1 degree Celsius (33.8 degrees Fahrenheit).

But it expected brighter weather ahead, though fog could become a problem and temperatures at night would likely still be below freezing, slowing the thaw.

"The weather over the disaster-stricken regions is likely to turn better in the next several days, but it is still necessary to remain alert for possible low temperatures, frozen rain, snow, freezing and heavy fog," said administration head Zheng Guoguang.

He added the cold snap had caught the country off guard, in an area unprepared for such heavy snow. But climate change could see more extremes in weather in China, Zheng warned.

Four people died after a snow-laden roof collapsed at a fuel station in the eastern city of Nanjing on Sunday, Xinhua news agency said. One person was killed in a stampede at Guangzhou railway station in the south as people rushed to board trains.

Roads and railways, some of which have been blocked for days, have started to move again, and fewer flights were being cancelled, state media said, offering a glimmer of hope.

CAJOLED TO SKIP HOLIDAY

Authorities in the southern city of Guangzhou said their priority was to clear the backlog of travellers, having cajoled millions of migrant workers to stay put and skip the holiday.

Elsewhere, efforts turned to restoring power and water, which some cities, such as Chenzhou in the south, have been without for more than a week, causing some to question China's ability to handle emergencies months before Beijing holds the Olympics.

"Without power the only information we have been getting is by SMS from the government," said Chenzhou resident Zheng Ninghong, tending a fruit stall amid the slush.

"There was one, I think, that said it would get warmer, but what we need is electricity."

China has largely avoided unrest throughout the crisis, in part due to hundreds of thousands of soldiers and paramilitary police that have been deployed around the country to help with disaster relief and crowd control.

Mobilising the might of the state, China has deployed more than 300,000 troops and nearly 1.1 million militia and army reservists to get traffic moving and ensure power supplies.

Pictures from Wuhan, capital of the central province of Hubei and lying at the middle reaches of the Yangtze and Han rivers, showed cars blanketed not by snow, but by ice. Riverside barriers and trees were draped in huge icicles.

The China Daily quoted Li Pumin, spokesman for top planning body the National Development and Reform Commission, as saying power plants in Beijing and Shanghai had only enough coal for less than seven days.

"But top economic planners said the country had reversed a sharp decline in coal reserves. There was enough coal on Saturday to generate electricity for the entire country for the next eight days," the newspaper added. (Additional reporting by Ben Blanchard in Beijing; Editing by Nick Macfie and Alex Richardson)

http://uk.reuters.com/article/homepageCrisis/idUKPEK161570._CH_.242020080204

[RiversideGator]

And here:

Record Cold for Northern Minn.: 40 Below

By JEFF BAENEN â€" 2 days ago

MINNEAPOLIS (AP) â€" It lived up to its name: The temperature in International Falls fell to 40 below zero Monday, just a few days after the northern Minnesota town won a federal trademark making it officially the "Icebox of the Nation."

It was so cold that resident Nick McDougall couldn't get his car trunk to close after he got out his charger to kick-start his dead battery. By late morning, the temperature had risen all the way to 18 â€" below zero.

"This is about as cold as it gets, this is bad. There's no wind â€" it's just cold," said McDougall, 48, a worker at The Fisherman, a convenience store and gas station in the town on the Canadian border. "People just don't go out, unless you have to go to work."

Residents of the area use electric engine block heaters to keep their cars from freezing.

"You plug in your car, for sure, and you put the car in the garage if you can," McDougall said. His garage is full of other things, so he had to park outside â€" a "big mistake."

The previous record low for Feb. 11 in International Falls was 37 below, set in 1967, said meteorologist Mike Stewart at the weather service in Duluth.

The temperature also fell to 40 below in Embarrass, 80 miles southeast of International Falls. That's just one degree above the all-time record in Minneapolis, 250 miles to the south, that was set in January 1888, the weather service said.

It was also a cold day in Winter. The town in northwest Wisconsin chilled to a low of 25 below.

"You don't want to be out there too long," said Winter area resident Bill Warner, 37.

The chilly air also blew into the Northeast on Monday and many schools in New York state between Buffalo and Syracuse closed or opened late. Single-digit temperatures plus wind drove the wind chill factor to nearly 20 below across much of upstate New York.

New York state got more than 3 feet of lake-effect snow Monday along the east end of Lake Ontario as the cold wind picked up moisture from the lake. "The highway crews are having a difficult time keeping up with the amount of snow and blowing conditions," said Oswego Town Supervisor Victoria Mullen.

South of the coldest air mass, freezing rain hit southwest Missouri, making roads hazardous and closing schools. Ice was more than an inch thick in places, authorities said. Several thousand lost electricity in the Springfield area when lines iced over and ice-covered limbs crashed onto power lines.

"It's treacherous" Missouri Highway Patrol Sgt. Dan Bracker said in Springfield.

As the precipitation moved eastward out of Missouri, the weather service posted winter storm and snow warnings for parts of Kentucky, Indiana and Ohio.

Hundreds of West Virginia homes and businesses had no electricity Monday, down from several thousand, after weekend wind gusts of up to 55 mph. At least nine counties closed schools because of power outages and the cold. The mountain city of Elkins had a low of 6 above.

Classes also were canceled Monday for a number of schools in Michigan, which remained in a deep freeze after a weekend of single-digit temperatures and gusty wind. One death was blamed on the weather there.

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iohVGaSpRYCXAqL0lXJx7vH_WKtAD8UOHD500

[jaxnative]

February 16, 2008
Arctic Sea Ice Sees 'Significant Increase' in Size Following 'Extreme Cold'
Thomas Lifson
The ultraliberal CBC reports a truth that is mighty inconvenient for Al Gore.


There's an upside to the extreme cold temperatures northern Canadians have endured in the last few weeks: scientists say it's been helping winter sea ice grow across the Arctic, where the ice shrank to record-low levels last year. Temperatures have stayed well in the -30s C and -40s C range since late January throughout the North, with the mercury dipping past -50 C in some areas. Satellite images are showing that the cold spell is helping the sea ice expand in coverage by about 2 million square kilometres, compared to the average winter coverage in the previous three years. "It's nice to know that the ice is recovering," Josefino Comiso, a senior research scientist with the Cryospheric Sciences Branch of NASA's Goddard Space Flight Centre in Maryland, told CBC News on Thursday. [...] Winter sea ice could keep expanding. The cold is also making the ice thicker in some areas, compared to recorded thicknesses last year, Lagnis added. "The ice is about 10 to 20 centimetres thicker than last year, so that's a significant increase," he said. If temperatures remain cold this winter, Langis said winter sea ice coverage will continue to expand.


Will somebody please tell all the schoolchildren frightened by nightmares of drowning polar bears that Al Gore unnecessarily scared them?

www.americanthinker.com

[jaxnative]

Global Warming: The same applies here. Even if every single individual agreed that this phenomenon was taking place, yet disagree on the reasons for it, government cannot impose obligations on those who disagree with the ‘evidence’ in order to satisfy those who believe the ‘evidence’. Now, according to the Global Warming Lobby, some 40 to 60% of people believe that Global Warming is a man-made phenomenon. In that case, if all those who believe that ‘evidence’ simply ceased to avail themselves of those ‘conveniences’ which they claim cause the problem, the problem would be immediately reduced by half. Of course, that would have a dramatic effect on the motor industry, the airline industry, and the energy industry. But, no doubt, the free-enterprise system would quickly compensate by increasing production of bicycles, candles and the like. But, I suspect, such people are not that convinced of their ‘evidence’. If they are, the solution lies in their hands

www.freedomvrights.com

[Lunican]

http://www.youtube.com/v/wppjYDj9JUc

[midnightblackrx]

http://www.dailytech.com/Temperature+Monitors+Report+Widescale+Global+Cooling/article10866.htm

Twelve-month long drop in world temperatures wipes out a century of warming

Over the past year, anecdotal evidence for a cooling planet has exploded. China has its coldest winter in 100 years. Baghdad sees its first snow in all recorded history. North America has the most snowcover in 50 years, with places like Wisconsin the highest since record-keeping began. Record levels of Antarctic sea ice, record cold in Minnesota, Texas, Florida, Mexico, Australia, Iran, Greece, South Africa, Greenland, Argentina, Chile -- the list goes on and on.
No more than anecdotal evidence, to be sure. But now, that evidence has been supplanted by hard scientific fact. All four major global temperature tracking outlets (Hadley, NASA's GISS, UAH, RSS) have released updated data. All show that over the past year, global temperatures have dropped precipitously.

A compiled list of all the sources can be seen here.  The total amount of cooling ranges from 0.65C up to 0.75C -- a value large enough to wipe out nearly all the warming recorded over the past 100 years. All in one year's time. For all four sources, it's the single fastest temperature change ever recorded, either up or down.

Scientists quoted in a past DailyTech article link the cooling to reduced solar activity which they claim is a much larger driver of climate change than man-made greenhouse gases. The dramatic cooling seen in just 12 months time seems to bear that out. While the data doesn't itself disprove that carbon dioxide is acting to warm the planet, it does demonstrate clearly that more powerful factors are now cooling it.

Let's hope those factors stop fast. Cold is more damaging than heat. The mean temperature of the planet is about 54 degrees. Humans -- and most of the crops and animals we depend on -- prefer a temperature closer to 70.


Historically, the warm periods such as the Medieval Climate Optimum were beneficial for civilization. Corresponding cooling events such as the Little Ice Age, though, were uniformly bad news.

[JeffreyS]

I predict the over selling of global warming will have a big back lash effect on pollution of all kinds.  It isn't a hoax, people have just elevated  a factor into the whole story.  We can not yet regulate this planet's temperature to the degree.(we could use nukes and change the worlds temp).  We do need to realize our impact on the planet and work to keep it clean.

[RiversideGator]

http://www.youtube.com/v/wppjYDj9JUc

BTW, great straw man argument, Lunican.  Unfortunately, you are gonna have to do a little better than that to prove your case.   

[Lunican]

Case closed RG... the earth is flat.

[JeffreyS]

No matter what you think about greenhouse gases the activity of the sun and earth's thermal activity have proven to be bigger factors in atmospheric temperature.  That does not mean we can ignore greenhouse gases as polluting our planet. 

[RiversideGator]

Case closed RG... the earth is flat.

Sorry.  Perhaps I should be more explicit:  the earth is not flat and global warming is not real.  There is no wise guy analogy here.  You are simply wrong with your cherished GW theory.  Got it?

[Charleston native]

Sorry.  Perhaps I should be more explicit:  the earth is not flat and global warming is not real.  There is no wise guy analogy here.  You are simply wrong with your cherished GW theory.  Got it?

I was wondering if I was the only one who saw that huge straw man.  Good call.