QuoteTim Tebow is coming back.
The Florida quarterback told a crowd celebrating the school's latest national title that he wants to lead the Gators to another championship.
Tebow thrilled the crowd by saying: "Oh, by the way let's do it again. I'm coming back."
In 2007, Tebow became the first sophomore to win the Heisman Trophy. In the Gators' 24-14 win over Oklahoma on Thursday night, Tebow completed 18 of 30 passes for 231 yards and two touchdowns. He also ran for 109 yards.
http://www.jacksonville.com/sports/college/florida_gators/2009-01-11/tebow_announces_return_to_florida
If he does come back Urban Meyer owes it to Tebow to play a pro set. I hope Tebow asked for and got that concession...
He needs a pro set, otherwise any shot he has as an NFL QB is severely diminished.
It's Urban's responsibility to coach in the best interest of the team...not one player.
I wouldn't want to see too much change with this year's offense except to maximize the explosiveness of the skill players. Working some formations with Tebow under center may or may not do this.
But I do agree with the gist of what you both said, which would be that Tebow needs experience in a pro-style offense to prove he can play at the next level. However, a pro set could still just be another way to employ the triple option.
Oh I agree Max... All I am saying is now that Tebow has committed to another year Meyer should commit to helping Tebow rise within the draft. This does not just help Tebow but also Meyer and the University in future recruiting.
Maybe he's not coming back after all....
http://www.sportingpress.com/sporting_press/2009/01/tebow-skips-senior-season-ascends-directly-into-heaven.html (http://www.sportingpress.com/sporting_press/2009/01/tebow-skips-senior-season-ascends-directly-into-heaven.html)
Meyer might have two national championships but he definitely does not have a rep for putting out good NFL talent. What former Urban player made the biggest NFL impact?
nice find tufsu1...haha. If i have to see or hear one more Gator story I might vomit. I felt like I couldn't even watch any local news broadcast on Friday. While I am happy for them, the local media drives me nuts on this.
You mean the comments during the game about just being with Tebow for a few minutes will make you a better person affected you that much?
;)
Oh Joy, another year of listening to the over hyping of the most over rated QB in College football. Good grief guys, give me a break.. hes an aveage QB and an average running back, nothing special. He will get killed in the NFL, maybe thats why hes staying, he knows he wouldnt even be a 3rd stringer on any team in the NFL right now.
Quote from: fowlerracing on January 12, 2009, 09:18:33 AM
Oh Joy, another year of listening to the over hyping of the most over rated QB in College football. Good grief guys, give me a break.. hes an aveage QB and an average running back, nothing special. He will get killed in the NFL, maybe thats why hes staying, he knows he wouldnt even be a 3rd stringer on any team in the NFL right now.
I'm sorry but the kid seems to be a good guy, and a very impressive college QB. Just because he isn't pro material doesn't mean that he shouldn't be praised for his accomplishments. I agree that the commentators go over board but thats the nature of TV and radio these days.
No doubt... A REAL ROLE MODEL... Good god please quit talking about that... :D ::)
QuoteOh I agree Max... All I am saying is now that Tebow has committed to another year Meyer should commit to helping Tebow rise within the draft. This does not just help Tebow but also Meyer and the University in future recruiting.
His education and degree is what he's owed for playing another year. I wouldn't expect a big change in Gator offense.
QuoteOh Joy, another year of listening to the over hyping of the most over rated QB in College football.
Only sophomore to win the Heisman and you think he's over rated ::)
He was the only sophomore...Sam Bradford joined him in that this year.
QuoteHe was the only sophomore...Sam Bradford joined him in that this year.
Red shirt sophomores don't count.
Quote from: Shwaz on January 12, 2009, 12:00:44 PM
QuoteHe was the only sophomore...Sam Bradford joined him in that this year.
Red shirt sophomores don't count.
Why wouldn't they?
Because he's essentially a junior - he's smarter bigger and also eligible for the NFL draft.
Also, if it wasn't for the Big12 bs voting (not even putting Tebow on the ballot) he wouldn't even have the trophy.
Good News! ;D
Only the SE USA had Tebow #1, every other part of the country had him as #3 on their votes or even left off (you only vote #1 #2 #3) He finished first in the south only.
Voting by region
NORTHEAST
1, Sam Bradford, 289.
2, Tim Tebow, 274.
3, Colt McCoy, 266.
MID-ATLANTIC
1, Sam Bradford, 267.
2, Tim Tebow, 264.
3, Colt McCoy, 252.
SOUTH
1, Tim Tebow, 382.
2, Sam Bradford, 250.
3, Colt McCoy, 247.
SOUTHWEST
1, Sam Bradford, 360.
2, Colt McCoy, 313.
3, Tim Tebow, 184.
MIDWEST
1, Colt McCoy, 292.
2, Sam Bradford, 281.
3, Tim Tebow, 259.
FAR WEST
1, Sam Bradford, 279.
2, Colt McCoy, 234.
3, Tim Tebow, 212.
Not sure where you got these numbers but... Tebow had more #1 votes overall and only needed another 84 (2nd place ballots) to take the the trophy... he was left off of 154 ballots in the Southwest region.
Quote from: Shwaz on January 12, 2009, 12:21:45 PM
Because he's essentially a junior - he's smarter bigger and also eligible for the NFL draft.
Also, if it wasn't for the Big12 bs voting (not even putting Tebow on the ballot) he wouldn't even have the trophy.
BS Voting? Bitter much?
Not one bit... I'm not even a gator fan or some tebow fanatic. I rooted for them in the game because they're a FL team and also because my sister is a Junior there. I'm just relating a logical point of view.
Tebow wasn't the only guy left off the ballots, both McCoy and Bradford were left off of ballots as well.
... but neither of them had the most 1st place votes.
The numbers Jandar listed are the points received for each person. The votes are broken down below.
2008 Heisman Trophy Finalist Voting Finalist
First place votes (3 pts. each)
Second place votes (2 pts. each)
Third place votes (1 pt. each)
VOTES POINTS
Sam Bradford 300 315 196 - 1,726
Colt McCoy 266 288 230 - 1,604
Tim Tebow 309 207 234 - 1,575
Tebow proved on the field that he is the real Heisman Trophy winner. He was clearly better than Bradford head to head, no matter what disgruntled criminoles have to say about the matter.
No one is disgruntled (at least not me) and not all Seminoles are criminals. Florida has had there fair share of players arrested this year. I dont want to take anything from Tebow. I go to the same church as him and his family. They are great people. I just get tired of the relentless news coverage here locally. Let the Gainesville news media take care of all that. UF campus is not in Jacksonville and we should stop acting as if it is.
It is always so interesting how people who arent Gator fans complain about the coverage that UF gets here in Jax. It is after all the University of Florida. Jacksonville is in Florida isnt it? We are closer to Gainesviller than any other major Metro area. A major UF medical center is here. There are more UF alumni and fans in the Jax area than all of the other schools combined. The local news media is loaded with UF interns and graduates.It is a simple matter of geography. Oh,and by the way Seminole boy, didnt you recently call me out about my perception on F.S.U. and its attendance problems in regards to how much closer Gainesville is to Floridas major cities than Tallahassee? You cant have it both ways. And to all of the Tebow haters, Senimole or otherwise, this guy shows nothing but class and integrity on and off the field. I guess you cant fault him off the field so you just have to settle for attacking his so-called lack of football ability. Its great to be a Florida Gator!!
fsujax: I hadn't realized you'd attacked Tebow regarding his on- or off-field life. (shrug)
In the meantime, it's also great to be a Miami Hurricane fan. I'll say that now, despite being in the midst of their 'poorer' years. Let's see half the UF fans say that once they start into their lesser seasons.
Every school has had their share of student arrests. It happens. Hell, look at UM. Students are young and dumb and think they're invincible and above the law. There's no such thing as a completely saintly college sports team.
Even moreso: I pretty much dislike FSU and UF altogether. But I agree that coverage and fawning of the local media is pretty humorous, if nothing else. Personally, it reinforces the fact that there's plenty of subprime media in this town, as we've discussed elsewhere.
I've no personal experience living here and seeing the media present the Seminoles' past victories in the same light, so I shan't form a comparison nor bias. I do, however, wonder if it was as intense and favorable.
Quote from: fsujax on January 12, 2009, 03:00:58 PM
UF campus is not in Jacksonville and we should stop acting as if it is.
Amen to this. I'm always upset at the number of UF shirts I see on campus at UNF, but Wednesday and Thursday it was just ridiculous. I personally don't care much about college football teams so it doesn't matter to me who wins/loses/is in the championship. I understand, given our proximity to Gainesville that there are going to be a lot of Gator fans in town. But it really bothers me seeing UNF's campus littered with blue and orange. It's blue and gray you morons!! Have some pride in THE SCHOOL THAT YOU GO TO!!
I didnt attack Tebow. I think he is a standup guy, and that he is a great role model. I also didn't make any such comment GatorShane,
"Oh,and by the way Seminole boy, didnt you recently call me out about my perception on F.S.U. and its attendance problems in regards to how much closer Gainesville is to Floridas major cities than Tallahassee?"
There is someone else with FSU in their name on this board, I am not the only one.
Quote from: Shwaz on January 12, 2009, 01:45:32 PM
... but neither of them had the most 1st place votes.
Tebow did have more 1st place votes, but not by that much. Also in the championship game, I don't believe Tebow was the better quarterback, some of those throws especially the 2 interceptions were just horrid throws that should not have been made. I also believe that the MVP should have been Percy Harvin, because that kid made some ridiculous runs that helped set up the points that the Gators score. I will give Tebow the nice runs he had in the game, but when you have all the weapons on the field that Tebow had, someone was going to be left alone and at the end of the game it was Tebow that benefited. All in all it was a great game to watch and hope for another great year next year.
I am so sorry! I did not know that the media in Tampa, Orlando. Miami and Ft. Lauderdale were ignorant and fawning also over there coverage over UF.(they also had extensive coverage of UF as well) As for the comment that Uf fans wont be as loud and vocal and supportive when things dont go as well as this year then you obviously dont now the history. Florida has the third longest sellout streak in the nation, dating back to 1989. Prior to that span, during the eighties, only five games didnt sell out. Thats a total of six games since 1980. (out of more than 200) Just a reminder that we dont just show up during the best of times. Good or bad, we show up. Something the Canes and Noles could learn from. You are right however that all three scholls have had there share of off field problems so that is why the Tebow kid is so special. That was my point about peoples complaint about coverage of him in particular. You cant deny he is a great role model,
Quote from: 9a is my backyard on January 12, 2009, 03:47:46 PM
Quote from: fsujax on January 12, 2009, 03:00:58 PM
UF campus is not in Jacksonville and we should stop acting as if it is.
Amen to this. I'm always upset at the number of UF shirts I see on campus at UNF, but Wednesday and Thursday it was just ridiculous. I personally don't care much about college football teams so it doesn't matter to me who wins/loses/is in the championship. I understand, given our proximity to Gainesville that there are going to be a lot of Gator fans in town. But it really bothers me seeing UNF's campus littered with blue and orange. It's blue and gray you morons!! Have some pride in THE SCHOOL THAT YOU GO TO!!
You do have to realize that a lot of the people that go to UNF are there because they couldn't get into some of the other schools in the state like UF. Not everyone can go there. I was lucky enough to make it into UF, though I'm not a Gator fan. And with how close Jacksonville is to Gainesville, I can see why there are so many Gator fans. I wish it was different but before there were the Jaguars it was only the Gators.
My apologies! You are right. I should do my research before posting. That was someone else with fsu in their postname. Once again my sincerest apologies. Thanks, Shane
I was a diehard Seminole fan growing up (both my parents got their doctorates from FSU) and I never had any problem with the local media's coverage of college sports. I also never felt that us Seminoles were terribly outnumbered either (although the scales certainly did tip in the favor of Gator fans, just not heavily).
To avoid any confusion...I truly became a gator fan early in my third year attending the University of Florida...it took over two years for me to shed my gator hatred developed over the first 18 years of life.
I also have no problem with people attending one college and rooting for another. It's certainly a case-by-case basis...fairweather fans are annoying, but it is possible to be a legitimate fan who just happens to want to wear his team's colors when they are doing well.
Schwaz/copper - let's just say he's the only true sophomore to win? Fair enough? I'm a gator fan but I don't put too much stock in the heisman voting/snub talk...nor do I say that Tebow outplaying Bradford in Miami proves he is the better quarterback. Wouldn't you agree that the UF defense is much tougher to play against than the OU defense?
QuoteWouldn't you agree that the UF defense is much tougher to play against than the OU defense?
Actually that's what makes the case for Tebow getting robbed of the Heisman. Bradford did have great stats in a division that essentially plays 2 hand touch. It's easy to put up 60 points a game in the Big12... against a real defense you saw the outcome.
Once again I am not a gator fan, I do not own any gator apparel nor have I ever been to one of their games.
I'm just saying what I observed was unfair as far as the Heisman goes.
QuoteTebow did have more 1st place votes, but not by that much.
What you fail to realize is he was snubbed on the ballots from the southwest. Whether you're a gator fan or a gator hater it's obvious to most that being left off those ballots handed Bradford the trophy. Was their unethical voting in other regions? Sure... but nowhere near as blatant as the Southwest.
Whether or not the voting in the southwest was to snubb Tebow is debateable. However after seeing how the Big 12 faired in the bowl games those votes might not have been the same. If the voting for the heisman was done after all the games were played (i.e. BCS Champioship) then those votes may of played out differently. I think what really needs to happen is the voting should be held off until all the games are played.
As far as I'm concerned the Heisman is now in the same league with the ProBowl... meaningless.
How can you say the ProBowl is meaningless...Brett Favre got voted in and he led the league in interceptions!
Quote from: GatorShane on January 12, 2009, 03:59:32 PM
My apologies! You are right. I should do my research before posting. That was someone else with fsu in their postname. Once again my sincerest apologies. Thanks, Shane
yep...that was me...not fsujax
As for adding a little gas to the fire....UF has the largest and best journalism program in the state...so that's where many members of the media got degrees....but it is unfortunate how slanted the reporting sometimes is...for example, anytime there is a "criminole" problem its a top story....but how many people have even heard about Cam Newton's (backup QB) problems this year in Gainesville?
Whats was funny was the students wearing UF shirts to class @ JU.
I laughed when they would want the class off to watch a game (Basketball, etc) and the professor just happened to have his doctorate from Auburn, or another UF rival.
Was always worth a good laugh.
Quote from: fsujax on January 12, 2009, 03:00:58 PM
No one is disgruntled (at least not me) and not all Seminoles are criminals. Florida has had there fair share of players arrested this year. I dont want to take anything from Tebow. I go to the same church as him and his family. They are great people. I just get tired of the relentless news coverage here locally. Let the Gainesville news media take care of all that. UF campus is not in Jacksonville and we should stop acting as if it is.
I feel your pain man. At least 5 Blackouts in 2009. Go Jags.
QuoteI'm always upset at the number of UF shirts I see on campus at UNF, but Wednesday and Thursday it was just ridiculous. I personally don't care much about college football teams so it doesn't matter to me who wins/loses/is in the championship. I understand, given our proximity to Gainesville that there are going to be a lot of Gator fans in town. But it really bothers me seeing UNF's campus littered with blue and orange. It's blue and gray you morons!! Have some pride in THE SCHOOL THAT YOU GO TO!!
I always wear my Silver & Blue when Osprey football games are played........oh, wait.
Quote from: Shwaz on January 12, 2009, 04:19:46 PM
Actually that's what makes the case for Tebow getting robbed of the Heisman. Bradford did have great stats in a division that essentially plays 2 hand touch. It's easy to put up 60 points a game in the Big12... against a real defense you saw the outcome.
I disagree. Your extrapolation fails to consider both sides. Bradford had it easier facing weak Big 12 defenses, but his numbers were higher accordingly. Tebow's stats were impressive given his situation, but you can't legitimately say he would have matched Bradford (60 points a game isn't no matter who you're playing). Hey, he only put up 24 against the Sooner D. That would seem to suggest that OU's defense was better than all the SEC teams Florida faced this year.
Bottom line is, in my eyes, Tebow slightly outplayed Bradford in the title game, and had the benefit of facing a worse defense.
All that said, I would have voted for Tebow if I had a vote, but I think Bradford and McCoy were both deserving as well so it doesn't bother me.
Quote from: blizz01 on January 12, 2009, 10:46:55 PM
I always wear my Silver & Blue when Osprey football games are played........oh, wait.
lol, blizz.
Let's see how much press this get in Jacksonville!
Report: FSU's Rolle headed to Oxford, to put NFL on hold
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/story/11252506 (http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/story/11252506)
Quote from: tufsu1 on January 12, 2009, 04:52:54 PM
Quote from: GatorShane on January 12, 2009, 03:59:32 PM
My apologies! You are right. I should do my research before posting. That was someone else with fsu in their postname. Once again my sincerest apologies. Thanks, Shane
yep...that was me...not fsujax
As for adding a little gas to the fire....UF has the largest and best journalism program in the state...so that's where many members of the media got degrees....but it is unfortunate how slanted the reporting sometimes is...for example, anytime there is a "criminole" problem its a top story....but how many people have even heard about Cam Newton's (backup QB) problems this year in Gainesville?
I have and I believe he was booted off the team. FSU earned the criminole tag not because their players were necessarily worse than other schools but because Bowden and Co. would simply put up with it and let them play so long as they brought him wins.
Quote from: tufsu1 on January 13, 2009, 08:30:57 AM
Let's see how much press this get in Jacksonville!
Report: FSU's Rolle headed to Oxford, to put NFL on hold
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/story/11252506 (http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/story/11252506)
There was an article in the T-U about this. This has already received pretty wide coverage.
Quote from: RiversideGator on January 13, 2009, 10:58:45 AM
Quote from: tufsu1 on January 12, 2009, 04:52:54 PM
Quote from: GatorShane on January 12, 2009, 03:59:32 PM
My apologies! You are right. I should do my research before posting. That was someone else with fsu in their postname. Once again my sincerest apologies. Thanks, Shane
yep...that was me...not fsujax
As for adding a little gas to the fire....UF has the largest and best journalism program in the state...so that's where many members of the media got degrees....but it is unfortunate how slanted the reporting sometimes is...for example, anytime there is a "criminole" problem its a top story....but how many people have even heard about Cam Newton's (backup QB) problems this year in Gainesville?
I have and I believe he was booted off the team. FSU earned the criminole tag not because their players were necessarily worse than other schools but because Bowden and Co. would simply put up with it and let them play so long as they brought him wins.
apparently Meyer meeting with him this week to discuss....the cynic in me thinks that Newton would have been back if Tebow went to the NFL.
Quote from: RiversideGator on January 13, 2009, 10:58:45 AM
Quote from: tufsu1 on January 12, 2009, 04:52:54 PM
Quote from: GatorShane on January 12, 2009, 03:59:32 PM
My apologies! You are right. I should do my research before posting. That was someone else with fsu in their postname. Once again my sincerest apologies. Thanks, Shane
yep...that was me...not fsujax
As for adding a little gas to the fire....UF has the largest and best journalism program in the state...so that's where many members of the media got degrees....but it is unfortunate how slanted the reporting sometimes is...for example, anytime there is a "criminole" problem its a top story....but how many people have even heard about Cam Newton's (backup QB) problems this year in Gainesville?
I have and I believe he was booted off the team. FSU earned the criminole tag not because their players were necessarily worse than other schools but because Bowden and Co. would simply put up with it and let them play so long as they brought him wins.
So letting Jarvis Moss play against SC rather than suspending him against Western Kentucky for failing a drug test is any different?
Marcus Thomas played most of 2005 and was only suspended at the end of the year for failing tons of drug tests and word got out, including GHB. Yet it was insisted he only failed one test.
What about Dee Webb, Andre “Bubba†Caldwell and Reggie Lewis? That AK47 did not go off accidentally towards apartments with people in them. Dee Webb took the fall since he was already declaring for the NFL.
Or what about Tony Joiner, who was "caught" burglarizing the towing company his girlfriend's car was towed to. Regardless of whether or not he actually had arraigned to pay for the tow and get the car, Bill Cervone stepped in and expedited the process to less than a week (when a normal person would look at weeks minimum before a court date) just so he could play against LSU.
Funny part is, Bill Cervone is a Bull Gator. Favoritism?
Here's a great article by Mike Bianchi (did I just say that?????)
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/sports_bianchi/2007/10/of-course-urban.html
QuoteJoiner, who was arrested on a felony count of burglary early Tuesday morning for allegedly removing his girlfriend's car from a towing company parking lot, will play for one reason and one reason only: Because the Gators are playing No. 1-ranked Louisiana State; not No. 101-ranked Louisiana-Lafayette. It's a BIG game and Joiner is a star player. He will play because the Gators need him to play.
It's the same reason Florida State coach allowed stud linebacker Geno Hayes to play Saturday against Alabama, despite the fact that Hayes was arrested for disorderly conduct and Tasered by police a few days earlier. Hayes might have sat out if the Seminoles were playing Alabama-Birmingham, but he was darn sure going to be on the field against the Alabama Crimson Tide.
Although the Gators and Seminoles like to argue about whose coach is tougher on discipline, it's all just a bunch of message-board malarkey. Remember this: Florida and Florida State recruit from the exact same pool of players and their coaches have the exact same mission:
To Win.
I actually agree with mike on that one. All coaches do it.
Quote from: tufsu1 on January 13, 2009, 08:30:57 AM
Let's see how much press this get in Jacksonville!
Report: FSU's Rolle headed to Oxford, to put NFL on hold
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/story/11252506 (http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/story/11252506)
Remember that Tebow is from Jax...that may skew things even more.
I bet Myron Rolle is bigger news in the Bahamas than God, I mean, Tim Tebow.
Jandar, I'll fervently defend UF when necessary...but I agree with the excerpt you posted from Bianchi. His articles used to be very entertaining when he was in Jax, and on this one, I think he is pretty fair and hits the nail on the head.