I Here is a list of cities and the amount of Superbowls hosted. Below is a list of future sites. When do you think the big one will be back in Jacksonville??
Miami - 9
New Orleans - 9
Los Angeles - 7
Tampa Bay - 3
San Diego - 3
Houston - 2
Detroit - 2
Atlanta - 2
Phoenix - 2
San Francisco- 1
Minneapolis- 1
Jacksonville- 1
Future Super Bowl host cities
2009 - Tampa Bay (4)
2010 - Miami (10)
2011 - Dallas (1)
2012 - Indianapolis (1)
The league is set until the 2012 season.
Not anytime soon. Perhaps after a few years of positive urban, entertainment, hotel and mass transit improvements. If I had to toss a year out there, it would be somewhere between 2025 and 2030.
JACKSONVILLE 2013
That will give us enough time for transportation and city improvements! Let's do it!
From what I understand, the overall sentiment was that Jax did a pretty good job with hosting the game. Having the cruise ships downtown was something never done and the general atmosphere was very upbeat and pleasant. I have a more optimistic prediction of 2014 or 2015.
There has been quite a bit of hotel capacity added downtown and across the metro, as well as some small steps in the entertainment sector. The news of an award could help to push the city forward on helping developers such as Sleiman to enhance the entertainment sector allowing us to put on a much better show this go round.
When the NFL is ready to pressure us make improvements to the stadium again. I do not say this as a negative.
Jacksonville Super Bowl was one of the best times Ive ever had in this City and Ive been here for about 30 years.
My wife and I headed down for the friday and saturday night festivities and had a blast too. I didn't hear one complaint from anyone other than the Landing being so jam packed they couldn't move.
Many, many years. The new mega-stadiums in Dallas, Arizona and New York will be in the rotation. Throw in a regular trip to Miami and New Orleans and we are shut out. I'd be surprised if it ever came back.
The cardiac Jags are certainly doing their part, damn, if they trump the steelers we are quickly becoming one of the darling teams of the NFL. I say that because on the streets in CCCCC XXXXXX and OOOOO all over the land you hear talk about JACKSONVILLE JAGUARS, I saw jerseys on the DALLAS and MEMPHIS streetcars! We are not yet the Packers or Cowboys, but I think for a baby team in a tiny TV market, we are winning friends across the land. This is going to effect the decision to come back to "the big city" with the SKYWAY er
STREETCAR (sorry) SUPER BOWL.
OCKLAWAHA
Quote from: thelakelander on October 02, 2008, 09:03:13 AM
Not anytime soon. Perhaps after a few years of positive urban, entertainment, hotel and mass transit improvements. If I had to toss a year out there, it would be somewhere between 2025 and 2030.
So 17 to 22 years from now. Wow that is a long time. Im thinking Nashville & Charlotte will won't some of that action also. 17 to 22 years. :-\
Quote from: JeffreyS on October 02, 2008, 11:20:04 AM
When the NFL is ready to pressure us make improvements to the stadium again. I do not say this as a negative.
Can you explain in more detail? Isn't Jacksonville one of the best stadiums in the league? Does Miami & New Orleans make those improvements as well? Just some dumb questions, Im curious how that works. Write back.
IMO Put a roof and transit into the stadium and we might damn well become a HOME for the Superbowl.
OCKLAWAHA
Our stadium is current as of 2005 for the Super Bowl. I can't tell you that I know all that much about the NFL's stadium requirements, but generally when franchises fight cities over money for new stadiums, the organizations want the new stadiums to be built to maximize profits in the ever-changing marketplace. It's not generally because of any action by the league itself.
What I took Jeffrey's comment to be referencing was the fact that when a team builds (or makes costly renovations to) a new stadium, they are often rewarded with the Super Bowl by the rest of the owners.
Quote from: Coolyfett on October 02, 2008, 02:36:19 PM
Quote from: JeffreyS on October 02, 2008, 11:20:04 AM
When the NFL is ready to pressure us make improvements to the stadium again. I do not say this as a negative.
Can you explain in more detail? Isn't Jacksonville one of the best stadiums in the league? Does Miami & New Orleans make those improvements as well? Just some dumb questions, Im curious how that works. Write back.
I don't know, guys. I worked at a Downtown bar â€" granted, one that wasn't exactly in walking distance from the Stadium â€" and people from Philly were walking in dumbfounded, like, "What the f*** is there to do around here?" I was a little bit embarrassed. On Super Bowl Sunday the westside of downtown was a ghost town. I swear. I saw tumbleweeds.
I think we have a lot of improvements to make and a lot more downtown development to do (The Landing is a joke at this point) before we can think about hosting another Super Bowl. I hope we work toward that though and I hope it benefits the people who will continue to develop the urban core.
don't forget LA's new stadium.
they don't have a team yet, but they will get one again.
http://www.losangelesfootballstadium.com/
Quote from: stug on October 02, 2008, 03:48:01 PM
I don't know, guys. I worked at a Downtown bar — granted, one that wasn't exactly in walking distance from the Stadium — and people from Philly were walking in dumbfounded, like, "What the f*** is there to do around here?" I was a little bit embarrassed. On Super Bowl Sunday the westside of downtown was a ghost town. I swear. I saw tumbleweeds.
I think we have a lot of improvements to make and a lot more downtown development to do (The Landing is a joke at this point) before we can think about hosting another Super Bowl. I hope we work toward that though and I hope it benefits the people who will continue to develop the urban core.
This is pretty much what I heard from out of town visitors. Imo, we have a lot of work to do if we really want to be in a permanent rotation.
Quote from: stug on October 02, 2008, 03:48:01 PM
I don't know, guys. I worked at a Downtown bar â€" granted, one that wasn't exactly in walking distance from the Stadium â€" and people from Philly were walking in dumbfounded, like, "What the f*** is there to do around here?" I was a little bit embarrassed. On Super Bowl Sunday the westside of downtown was a ghost town. I swear. I saw tumbleweeds.
I think we have a lot of improvements to make and a lot more downtown development to do (The Landing is a joke at this point) before we can think about hosting another Super Bowl. I hope we work toward that though and I hope it benefits the people who will continue to develop the urban core.
Hmmm interesting & sad. I went to the Landing during the game, but was invited to a few Superbowl parties in the burbs. I wanted to see what Jax looked like. The Landing was packed!! Plus it was a good game, not a blow out. I don't think you should be embarrassed, those people are what you call "last minute fans". They didn't do any research on the city, they just came and wandered. Not a good idea when you go to a city you have never been before. I saw plenty of Eagle - Patriot fans having a good time @ the Landing. I'm sure something was happening onthe southbank. I wouldn't blame the city for that. True there are not enough options Downtown, but if you pay all that money to go to a new city, go where everyone else is. Do you adventure searching online before you get there.
Now back to our regularly scheduled program. ::)
Not only is LA working on a dirt berm stadium (earthquake resistant) but it is only 2 blocks south of a current Metro-Link commuter rail station with a direct Right of Way, into the new Football stadium from the NW. There is also a LRT line planned to go in this direction that may end at the stadium. Add to that the LA equal of our Arlington Expy - Hart Expy - MLK Expy and you have a Stadium that can't miss much.
I do think it's too far EAST to attract the urban core and those from the MONEY in the Belair or Beverly Hills, the beaches or Santa Clarita. But mass transit might be the great equalizer in this. I know before TRANSIT, I would have gone through HELL to stay out of Pomona and that neck of the city. The old Jack Rabbit trail from Long Beach-Disney-Riverside and east is a much nicer area. About the only thing going for the neighborhood is land. Otherwise it will be a cold day in Topanga Canyon when I'd make that drive.
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and people from Philly were walking in dumbfounded
Don't worry man, that's why so many are here, people from Philly just do that, then they can't find their ways home! LOL!
OCKLAWAHA
I think Jacksonville did the best it could with what it had in 2005.
I think we still have at least 10 years to go before we get another Superbowl. By that time, we should have at least another 2,500 more residents in the core, at least one more signature office tower, 2-4 more limited service hotels and at least 1-2 more full service hotels (adding about 1,500 more rooms downtown) along with a couple of national restuarants and shops downtown.
Quote from: chipwich on October 02, 2008, 05:04:15 PM
I think Jacksonville did the best it could with what it had in 2005.
I think we still have at least 10 years to go before we get another Superbowl. By that time, we should have at least another 2,500 more residents in the core, at least one more signature office tower, 2-4 more limited service hotels and at least 1-2 more full service hotels (adding about 1,500 more rooms downtown) along with a couple of national restuarants and shops downtown.
So 2018?
New England is working on Gillette City or whatever they're calling it. Kraft has built a small city on the same site as the stadium, complete with hotels, condos, and shopping. There is a Patriot museum as well. Plus it's only 30 min. from Boston. I'm pretty sure they'll get one before we ever see another one...
Quote from: soxfan on October 02, 2008, 06:11:32 PM
New England is working on Gillette City or whatever they're calling it. Kraft has built a small city on the same site as the stadium, complete with hotels, condos, and shopping. There is a Patriot museum as well. Plus it's only 30 min. from Boston. I'm pretty sure they'll get one before we ever see another one...
wrong...the NFL refuses to host Super Bowls in cold weather cities unless its in a dome...after 9/11, there was talk of having one in NYC or DC...and the NFL pretty much said NO...even the one now planned for NY (really NJ) was a hard fight.
Nashville and Charlotte will not get it because they have outdoor stadiums. I forgot the exact temp minimum, but if the city has an avg. temp for the time of the Super Bowl below the minimum, they must have a indoor stadium to host. Which is why Dallas and Indianapolis are hosting. Jax has about the lowest minimum temp of any city to host the Super Bowl outside. I can see Jacksonville getting another SB before 2020, only they negative nancies and such at ESPN really bitched about our "Podunk city".
The positives of being outdoors in the bright shirt sleve sunshine far out weigh any negatives y'all can come up with. Anyone remember or old enough to remember the famous Blizzard Bowl? I watched in disbelief as the Reffs tried to run out and kick the hash marks in the field, the cameras couldn't see most of the game. I'm telling you IF that was the largest market in the world, and they had every perk known to man and football, we would still beat them as we are "SOUTHERN BY THE GRACE OF GOD!"
OCKLAWAHA
Quote from: Coolyfett on October 02, 2008, 06:06:43 PM
So 2018?
I hope so. Let's dare to dream and most importantly get the city on the right track towards encouraging a vibrant, organized core that is capable of hosting such an event. I think we got a lot of sympathy on our first try. However, in order to get in the rotation, we will have to offer guests a bit more than just great hospitality and effort. We have to give them a nice and fun place to stay, eat, drink, shop and hang-out.
We can do it!
I'm a pretty positive optimistic guy but I'll be SHOCKED if we get another Superbowl in my lifetime.
Quote from: Coolyfett on October 02, 2008, 02:36:19 PM
Quote from: JeffreyS on October 02, 2008, 11:20:04 AM
When the NFL is ready to pressure us make improvements to the stadium again. I do not say this as a negative.
Can you explain in more detail? Isn't Jacksonville one of the best stadiums in the league? Does Miami & New Orleans make those improvements as well? Just some dumb questions, Im curious how that works. Write back.
I just meant years from now when it is time to improve again the NFL will come to us and use the superbowl as a carrot. Jacksonville is a wonderful stadium and won't need anything for a long time.
QuoteQuote from: Coolyfett on Yesterday at 02:36:19 PM
Quote from: JeffreyS on Yesterday at 11:20:04 AM
When the NFL is ready to pressure us make improvements to the stadium again. I do not say this as a negative.
Can you explain in more detail? Isn't Jacksonville one of the best stadiums in the league? Does Miami & New Orleans make those improvements as well? Just some dumb questions, Im curious how that works. Write back.
I just meant years from now when it is time to improve again the NFL will come to us and use the superbowl as a carrot. Jacksonville is a wonderful stadium and won't need anything for a long time.
It's not just our stadium, it's our location, and our weather that will speak LOUDLY for us. Where else can MICKEY have a Super Bowl? 3 choices and ours is the largest, and perhaps best of the lot. As for improvements, that also doesn't rest with just the stadium. Most any city getting Olympic's, Worlds Fair, Superbowl's, etc... will get MILLIONS from the various federal agencys to boost roadways, transit, police, access all the general city perks. We failed to play that card last time around, hopefully, within 7-8 years, we'll have it in the bag. I HAVE NO DOUBT. OCKLAWAHA
People will always find something to complain about. To be fair to our city, we did a good job for what we had, but since there was so many negative vibes, and negative sterotypes made well before the big game got here I am not surprised that if the littliest thing went wrong people would complain. The NFL said they were impressed ok well I dont see the game ever comming back here. With a bad economy, very poor leadership, honestly what changes will we see in the city in the future,,IMO not much, I always try to remain optimistict, but the real truth is so many other ciites with teams are so far ahead and increasing the lead while we ponder about how to maintain a pocket park :-\
Looking back, we did a really good job as a city with the Super Bowl. Also, I would say that (looking back) we have come a little ways as a city and I'm not trying to use little with tongue in cheek. But we have grown and made improvements.
While I would be hesitant to say that we are ready to host a game right now BUT ... if the port grows as expected and I think it will even in these economic times (imports will turn into exports as the value of the dollar fluctuates and makes manufaturing in the US more viable ... etc) and we have a large Navy contingent ... I think what I trying to say is that we have the ability to 'ride out' some of the economic down turn better than some of the other places who regularly host.
2013 Superbowl??? Has anyone heard anything?? I have heard Charlotte got it!!! Did a Google search and all I am finding is that New Orleans is trying hard to get that game.
So did Charlotte get the game for 2013 or New Orleans.
Jacksonville needs to try and get back in line for one!!!!
I want Jacksonville to have at least 3 Superbowls before Nashville gets one!!! 8)
Jax has alot of work do. I seriously doubt if the NFL will award us another game if our downtown has not significantly improved.
The absolute soonest we might be awarded the Superbowl would be after we complete the $150 million upgrade to the stadium. What's the time frame on that? A few years? And then we'd be bidding for the game about 5 years later? So maybe, possibly the 2016 or 2017 Super Bowl at the earliest.
That said, I'm not optimistic they'd even consider us for the next decade.
I think 2 major things have to happen. First is to follow through with the stadium improvements, and second is to upgrade downtown. The next time they should follow through with the original plans with the barges in the river for the entertainment district. With the hotels added at the airport and other new ones sprinkled around town we probably have about 1,000 more hotel rooms. I worked near the airport during the last super bowl and there are at least 5 more hotels with another one being built right now.
I believe that Detroit went 24 years (1982-2006) between Superbowls...so lets get psyched for Superbowl LIII!
Should read LXIII ...my latin teacher would not be happy
Quote from: GatorShane on December 07, 2008, 05:30:39 PM
I think 2 major things have to happen. First is to follow through with the stadium improvements, and second is to upgrade downtown. The next time they should follow through with the original plans with the barges in the river for the entertainment district. With the hotels added at the airport and other new ones sprinkled around town we probably have about 1,000 more hotel rooms. I worked near the airport during the last super bowl and there are at least 5 more hotels with another one being built right now.
I think we need to not only work on those two things but transportation as well. One of the major complaints with Jax revolved around poor mass transit options and being forced to drive 30-45 minutes to visit various attractions. Its hard to compete head-to-head with the big dogs when all you have is a second class bus system.
Quote from: jaxtrader on December 07, 2008, 05:38:06 PM
I believe that Detroit went 24 years (1982-2006) between Superbowls...so lets get psyched for Superbowl LIII!
Detroit?
Well after the season they will award another location. Every city gets 5 years to prepare so........I think Wayne Weaver needs to go for another one.
Does anyone know who has the Superbowl after Indy?
XL (2009 after the 2008 season) - Detroit
XLI (2010) - Miami
XLII (2011) - Glendale, Arizona - U of Phoenix Stadium
XLIII (2012) - Tampa
XLIV (2013) - Miami (again!!)
Don't see Indy at all?
From this site: http://www.superbowlhistory.net/superbowl/schedule.php
XLIII is this season's Super Bowl, to be held in Tampa. Your order is correct, but the years are wrong. The correct list is as follows:
XLIV (2010) - Miami - Dolphins Stadium
XLV (2011) - Dallas - new Cowboys stadium
XLVI (2012) - Indy - Lucas Oil Stadium
Gee, if you can't trust a site called "Superbowl History" who can you trust?
Maybe I should have gone to the NFL site? Maybe next time!
Thanks for the clarification!
With Superbowl 43 coming up next week, Tampa Bay's 4th, does anyone know when the NFL will announce the next Superbowl location? I am guessing they do it at the owners meetings, Whats going on down there, is weaver trying for another one? What is the buzz?
Did a little research, from what I have read, Houston, New Orleans & Phoenix will be bidding for Superbowl 47, Also Phoenix had bid for 45 & 46!! They seem very aggressive out there. They just had 42, bidded on 45, 46 and now 47. Houston & New Orleans also bid for 46. Weaver needs to bid for 47 as well. I hope Jacksonville leadership doesn't let the media punk them out. Weaver & Peyton need to bid!
Let me say this one more time....Jacksonville got the Super Bowl a few years back as all new or relocated teams in decent weather markets are given one....but we have very little chance of getting another one in the next 10 years....at this point, a bid would be a waste of time and money!
Quote from: thelakelander on December 07, 2008, 10:11:01 PM
Quote from: GatorShane on December 07, 2008, 05:30:39 PM
I think 2 major things have to happen. First is to follow through with the stadium improvements, and second is to upgrade downtown. The next time they should follow through with the original plans with the barges in the river for the entertainment district. With the hotels added at the airport and other new ones sprinkled around town we probably have about 1,000 more hotel rooms. I worked near the airport during the last super bowl and there are at least 5 more hotels with another one being built right now.
I think we need to not only work on those two things but transportation as well. One of the major complaints with Jax revolved around poor mass transit options and being forced to drive 30-45 minutes to visit various attractions. Its hard to compete head-to-head with the big dogs when all you have is a second class bus system.
On the field as a team, or in the bids for the big game, it all boils down to mobility and livability. We are poor in both arenas.
(http://www.canalstreetcar.com/2007/superbowlxx_neworleans.jpg)
Guess which local companies "GET IT?" OCKLAWAHA
If mobility were a major factor, Tampa would not be hosting its 4th Super Bowl....plus New Orleans doesn't have much of a transit system and Miami's stadium and attractions are nowhere near Metrorail
The fact is most of the people who attend the game and the events don't ride public transit....the biggest problem Jax has is that its not glitzy enough....and that's just fine by me!
Quote from: ProjectMaximus on December 07, 2008, 03:46:22 AM
The absolute soonest we might be awarded the Superbowl would be after we complete the $150 million upgrade to the stadium. What's the time frame on that? A few years? And then we'd be bidding for the game about 5 years later? So maybe, possibly the 2016 or 2017 Super Bowl at the earliest.
That said, I'm not optimistic they'd even consider us for the next decade.
Quote from: tufsu1 on January 25, 2009, 10:32:57 PM
If mobility were a major factor, Tampa would not be hosting its 4th Super Bowl....plus New Orleans doesn't have much of a transit system and Miami's stadium and attractions are nowhere near Metrorail
The fact is most of the people who attend the game and the events don't ride public transit....the biggest problem Jax has is that its not glitzy enough....and that's just fine by me!
Tampa is not glitzy, but the area does have some things going for it that Jax does not, when it comes to hosting the big game. Its larger, there are more attractions in the area, it has more hotel rooms and it has larger pockets of compact entertainment options (even the strip clubs on Dale Mabry become a huge draw).
Out of all the cities mentioned about, they all have decent pockets of entertainment activity (New Orleans - one of the most pedestrian friendly cities in the US, Tampa - Ybor, Miami - South Beach) that don't require visitors to travel all over town if they chose not too. I think we can all agree that Jax does not bring much of these qualities to the table, so mobility (even pedestrian mobility) stands out more locally. As for hosting another super bowl, in the next decade, I would not hold my breath.
The NFL is playing the game in more venues than in the past if we can get the game in say 10 to 12 years that would be right in the mix.
If we want to compete for it, in the next decade, we need to work on bringing something to the table to make up for our shortcomings. I don't think we'll land another if we don't.
I agree....beefing up the Bay Street district and adding another large hotel downtown would go a long way to makeing a bid more attractive
QuoteIf mobility were a major factor, Tampa would not be hosting its 4th Super Bowl....plus New Orleans doesn't have much of a transit system and Miami's stadium and attractions are nowhere near Metrorail
The fact is most of the people who attend the game and the events don't ride public transit....
Say What?
Uh, New Orleans is expected to hit at or near pre-Katrina numbers in mass transit ridership for 08. That's some 45 MILLION riders on over 60+ bus routes. Don't forget the streetcars are running 2 MILLION per year ( on 5 miles of track) and growing. New Orleans is replacing the entire 372 bus fleet adding 45 streetcars, and going bio-fuel. In fact the feds and city are looking toward the RESTAURANT INDUSTRY to feed mass transit with waste oil.
The difference is, as Lakelander said, Transit and livability go hand in hand. People go to New Orleans just to ride on it's transit system. How many come to Jacksonville for the same reason? Skyway anyone?
The numbers for Jacksonville should trump last years 10 MILLION rider mark, but however you want to count New Orleans (about 35 MILLION riders projected before the fuel ran out with 1/2 the system running) they whip us in spades.
Miami has a great mix which is a better start then any other Florida City. Appears they are now awake and trying to become a world class system. Time will tell - meanwhile the ZZZZZZZ from Tallahassee and Jacksonville City Hall echo over our state. OCKLAWAHA
45 Streetcars? WTF? Yeah boyz and girls, those are the PCC's I located for OUR use. "Sa La Vie inteligencia!"
Quote from: tufsu1 on January 26, 2009, 10:28:33 AM
I agree....beefing up the Bay Street district and adding another large hotel downtown would go a long way to makeing a bid more attractive
Yes, and that is just a start. I think the chances we get another SB are slim. Wait until the new stadium in NYC is built. The game will be played there. A rotation of Miami, NYC, New Orleans, Dallas and Phoenix is not out of the question.
Quote from: tufsu1 on January 25, 2009, 06:42:15 PM
Let me say this one more time....Jacksonville got the Super Bowl a few years back as all new or relocated teams in decent weather markets are given one....but we have very little chance of getting another one in the next 10 years....at this point, a bid would be a waste of time and money!
The Superbowl is not given away FSU, why is Phoenix & Houston bidding so much? Where is the ambition? That's a great attitude man.....really. I guess that's it then Jax should be satisfied with their first and only opportunity....While cities like Miami, New Orleans, Tampa Bay, San Diego, Phoenix & Houston just get more familiar and more familiar with the lime light.
*shaking head*
I didn't say be satisfied with one...I just stated that we shouldn't hold our breath for anything before 2020....and yes, putting a bid together for any time sooner would be a waste of time and money.
I agree until downtown is functional why waste money. SO 2020 gives us 11 yrs right. Let's see what happens. IMO I think we will still be havinig conversations like this, based on this city's history of doing things
Future Super Bowl host cities
2010 - Miami (10)
2011 - Dallas (1)
2012 - Indianapolis (1)
2013 - New Orleans (10)
Any guesses for 2014? Any hope for Jacksonville getting in the mix?
No.
Quote from: Coolyfett on May 20, 2009, 12:33:00 PM
Future Super Bowl host cities
2010 - Miami (10)
2011 - Dallas (1)
2012 - Indianapolis (1)
2013 - New Orleans (10)
Any guesses for 2014? Any hope for Jacksonville getting in the mix?
No. Not a chance. With new mega stadiums in Dallas and Glendale, Az and soon to be in NYC there isn't much hope for a SB ever coming to Jacksonville again.
I'm going to say no as well.
Having been to 80% of the cities on the SB rotation I can see why they get the game and we don't. It's not a single one thing, it's a blend of nothing to do and no way of getting to anything. The city would need to build it's core to give visitors something to do and a mass transit system to get people out to the area's(i.e beaches, St Johns town center for shopping) that make this city great.
I'll quote my cousins who come for a visit from Atlanta when they are on their way to Miami. "Jacksonville is a speed bump on 95"
So the St. John's Town Center is what makes this city great? ::)
No your right all the "great cities" in the world have no place to shop. Some of us like to do more than go to bars.
We had no place to shop before the SJTC?
Your right......As a matter of fact BCBGMAXAZRIA, Kate Spade, Louis Vuitton, Swarovski Crystal, Sephora,Juicy Couture, Lucky Brand Jeans and Apple are all opening next month at Regency.
QuoteYour right......As a matter of fact BCBGMAXAZRIA, Kate Spade, Louis Vuitton, Swarovski Crystal, Sephora,Juicy Couture, Lucky Brand Jeans and Apple are all opening next month at Regency
We must be a cultural Mecca now.
Never claimed it was a mecca, just something else that made Jacksonville better. I guess we should only build whatever you feel to be valuable from here on out.
CrysG the only ones that can afford those brands are the wealthy and that's not fair. Maybe we could get rid of private clothing manufacturer's and provide a national clothing system. Let the goverment decide if you're too old for $700 denim.
QuoteIn November 1999, two federal lawsuits were filed on behalf
of four Los Angeles garment workers, alleging violations of state and
federal labor laws. The plaintiffs are Chinese and Mexican immigrants
who sewed for upscale manufacturer BCBG Max Azria in two different
sweatshops.
Quote“Like most garment manufacturers and retailers, BCBG Max
Azria reaps enormous profits from the labor of the workers who sew its
clothes, but denies any responsibility for the conditions under which
they toil,†said Julia Figueira-McDonough. These larger companies
contract with smaller sewing shops that hire garment workers to
produce their clothing, often setting the contract price so low that
minimum wages are not paid. When manufacturers visit the contractor
factories, they choose not to speak to the workers, and turn a blind
eye to the visible squalor.
Keep fighting for the peoples right's CrysG
http://www.law.unc.edu/documents/poverty/publications/sweatshopwatch.pdf (http://www.law.unc.edu/documents/poverty/publications/sweatshopwatch.pdf)
What does this all have to do with the Super Bowl?
And what does this have to do with the Superbowl, or are you unable to move on from other threads on this forum.
ANYWAYS, back on topic. Until we get the inner part of the city, especially the core in better shape, we can count our chances as <10%.
I imagine if the Shipyards had been built, the Courthouse was near completion and the Convention Center was going to be built on the Courthouse property that chances would be better. Honestly, what has changed in the 4.5 years since the Super Bowl was here. I was glad it came and I think we did our best considering the challenges but I don't think it will ever return.
Quotethe Courthouse was near completion and the Convention Center was going to be built on the Courthouse property that chances would be better.
This may still happen... We will get the Super Bowl again... Provided the Jags are still here in 15 years...
Quote from: BridgeTroll on May 20, 2009, 03:39:52 PM
Quotethe Courthouse was near completion and the Convention Center was going to be built on the Courthouse property that chances would be better.
This may still happen... We will get the Super Bowl again... Provided the Jags are still here in 15 years...
I don't think that will be an issue. There are other teams will attendance/blackout issues that have greater stadium needs than the Jags. I would not be surprised if St. Louis, Oakland or San Diego is the team that moves to LA. That is assuming LA can get their act together.
Inadequate hotel accommodations is still a major factor too.
Everyone already knew that one, that's why I didn't mention it.
Whether you knew it or not it's probably the biggest factor. I'm curious to know what are average hotel availability is normally. I'm not sure it's a great idea to build a Super Bowl accommodating number of hotel's if the rooms end up sitting vacant otherwise.
Quote from: reednavy on May 20, 2009, 03:27:44 PM
ANYWAYS, back on topic. Until we get the inner part of the city, especially the core in better shape, we can count our chances as <10%.
has that stopped Tampa?
Well they do have Ybor, more than enough hotel rooms and the metro is twice the size. I think if we had an urban core entertainment district similar in scale to Ybor our prospects would be better off.
The next John Peyton will take credit for something the previous mayor set out to accomplish anyway. So why bother. We can't even get the Shipyards built, forget the super bowl.
I think we shouldn't attempt to host the Super Bowl unless we have enough hotel rooms to cover the attendees (not counting cruise ships).
In that case maybe our great grands will be to see it. Tampa also has Busch Gardens and a Aquarium. We do have,, nothing
Quote from: Keith-N-Jax on May 21, 2009, 01:09:49 AM
In that case maybe our great grands will be to see it. Tampa also has Busch Gardens and a Aquarium. We do have,, nothing
And an airport that is near the core.
I wouldn't be surprised to see Miami awarded the Super Bowl for an extended period like Hawaii had the Pro Bowl.
Quote from: copperfiend on May 21, 2009, 08:10:08 AM
And an airport that is near the core.
That isn't such a bad thing, I wouldn't want jets flying over the dense areas of town. Plus, airport location has really nothing to do with getting the Super Bowl.
QuoteThat isn't such a bad thing, I wouldn't want jets flying over the dense areas of town. Plus, airport location has really nothing to do with getting the Super Bowl.
It does when there isn't adequate transportation to & from... especially when people are staying in hotels as far as Daytona.
And doesn't the Navy fly planes over dense areas including downtown all hours of the day?
Our chances are slim until hotel rooms (>=20,000) and entertainment venues are nearby. We received credit for the cruise ships, but that was out of necessity to meet lodging requirements.
We are still viewed as a sleepy, blue-collar town. Our leadership needs not only to focus on attracting higher paying, white-collar jobs, but also land and retain them.
Our tax revenue will rise and retail and other activities that can be easily afforded will take off. Few who live within a 5-mile radius of the CBD have desirable discretionary income.
QuoteNo. Not a chance. With new mega stadiums in Dallas and Glendale, Az and soon to be in NYC there isn't much hope for a SB ever coming to Jacksonville again.
Thanks for being positive. What the heck is a Mega Stadium, I googled the term and found nothing. What is a mega stadium?
QuoteI don't think that will be an issue. There are other teams will attendance/blackout issues that have greater stadium needs than the Jags. I would not be surprised if St. Louis, Oakland or San Diego is the team that moves to LA. That is assuming LA can get their act together.
I am hoping it is Oakland, I like how they go back and forth, back and forth in Cali. I didn't mean if Jacksonville would get the Sb in 2014, I honestly think Phoenix will get that one. I am happy New Orleans is getting it again, to help rebuild their city. I know the NBA allstar game did a lot for them. It would be nice just to see Jacksonville get a different chance at it with another mayor. Its a great way to get on the map, but man just seems like everyone is asleep on the 2nd or 3rd go round. Maybe Weaver is feeling insecure about the city or something...I don't know. I just remember it being a good time.
Quote from: Coolyfett on May 21, 2009, 06:27:19 PM
QuoteNo. Not a chance. With new mega stadiums in Dallas and Glendale, Az and soon to be in NYC there isn't much hope for a SB ever coming to Jacksonville again.
Thanks for being positive. What the heck is a Mega Stadium, I googled the term and found nothing. What is a mega stadium?
I don't think there is a definition of a mega stadium per say but if go and look at the new one in Dallas and the current one in Glendale you can see that they have amenities, size capacities and dramatic features that most "normal" stadiums don't have.
http://stadium.dallascowboys.com/
http://www.universityofphoenixstadium.com/
Quote from: Shwaz on May 21, 2009, 11:12:09 AM
It does when there isn't adequate transportation to & from... especially when people are staying in hotels as far as Daytona.
And doesn't the Navy fly planes over dense areas including downtown all hours of the day?
Yes they do, but not all hours of the day. Most of the P3s stay south of downtown, it is mainly helos downtown. I still have yet to see what airport distance and the Super Bowl has in common. What if Houston gets it, then what? Their airport is jsut as far, but much more difficult to get to.
I see Navy planes all day out of my window downtown and it doesn't bother me.
Like I said, the problem is getting to & from the airport. We don't have near enough rental cars for an event like the super bowl and no public transportation to speak of.
Houston did have the Super Bowl... 10 years ago. I don't hear their name being back in the ring as a possible future sight.
That may be the key - public transit (not JTA, pretty buses do not count - it must have tracks) and hotels. Interstingly, the convention center thing may be intricate in both of these discussions.
Its that time again....keep remembering when Jax got the big one. peyton seems to be active. Jax should bid again! A new city will be named in the summer. Whats the buzz like?
Gametime!
Our stadium was built in 1995, and if Miami is being told their stadium is too old at 20, good luck getting the game in Jax anytime soon. Apparently you have to spend 1 billion on a stadium to buy the game or at least have a named sponsor. We can't even sellout the stadium but once in 10 games, so good luck with the SB argument.
We will have a chance when it is time for a new stadium. Super bowl is one on the NFL carrots.
Let's get a bid in for 2014!
Quote from: Steve on May 21, 2009, 08:33:12 PM
That may be the key - public transit (not JTA, pretty buses do not count - it must have tracks) and hotels. Interstingly, the convention center thing may be intricate in both of these discussions.
Funny Steve, but if the Skyway were to end at the stadium, and the Streetcar looped around near it, with a Gateway line (Arlington Expy at Palmetto North on private right of way, former Norfolk Southern/CSX to Gateway Mall) running from roughly Beaver St. Northward... In one Superbowl, we could muster :
MONORAIL - Skyway to Downtown
STREETCAR - To Downtown and Uptown Districts
LIGHT RAIL - To Gateway via former freight railroad tracks
AMTRAK/PV CHARTERS - from Springfield Yard via former freight railroad tracks
BUS - All Eastside JTA routes
EXPRESS BUS - Beach Flyers
WATER TAXI - Extended River Service
Services to and from downtown and the Stadium area, which in turn makes our "downtown" hotel count go much higher as we could pull in more rooms with direct transit links. You have to know those camera guys will have NEVER seen anything like it, and we'd be getting free PR shots for the next 5 years! OCKLAWAHA
Quote from: reednavy on February 07, 2010, 11:41:03 PM
Let's get a bid in for 2014!
not even worth trying...Jax won't get another Super Bowl until they can show a serious entertainment district...and probably another 1500 hotel rooms in the downtown area.
I believe Jacksonville has another shot at the superbowl, however not right now. We still have a ways to go. We have made alot of progress since the last SB in regard to hotel space and with entertainment (since Bay street is now coming along). I have seen an explosion of hotels being built around jacksonville the past few years and I think were almost to the point we can support it. (without calling in cruise ships.) And with bay street being so active now, we wont have to have so many make-shift clubs like we did the last time.
Jacksonville- Let's stop being so negative about our own city. That only hinders our growth. If you dont like Jacksonville or always have something negative say, just leave. No one is forcing you to stay here.
Jacksonville probably will have another shot at a Superbowl, but it will be a while before that happens. They will probably want a new stadium and more downtown entertainment and hotels. I know there have been a few new hotels built since the superbowl we had here a few years ago, but I believe the NFL will want more hotels and entertainment in actual downtown. That will probably be awhile for that to happen.
They may want upgrades but definitely not a new stadium. JMS sat over 90K for the superbowl... last night in Miami only had 76K.
I think we have a shot. The entertainment in downtown has quadrupled since 2005 and could quadruple again before the next available superbowl.
Quote from: mtraininjax on February 07, 2010, 11:08:40 PM
Our stadium was built in 1995, and if Miami is being told their stadium is too old at 20, good luck getting the game in Jax anytime soon. Apparently you have to spend 1 billion on a stadium to buy the game or at least have a named sponsor. We can't even sellout the stadium but once in 10 games, so good luck with the SB argument.
Not sure what any of those things has to do with it. We will have to renovate the stadium and that will count. The naming rights wouldn't apply to the Super Bowl so that's irrelevant. And so is local stadium attendance.
That said, my conclusion is still the same as yours...not coming back to Jax anytime soon.
Quote from: tufsu1 on February 08, 2010, 10:11:27 AM
not even worth trying...Jax won't get another Super Bowl until they can show a serious entertainment district...and probably another 1500 hotel rooms in the downtown area.
So we just shouldn't even try? That's been the problem here is that we don't try really. We made a bid for the World Cup, mainly because we could tout our large stadium. If we don't even try, how do we know we don't have a chance?
Go back in time and read post 2006 Super Bowl views of the experience people had here. Granted we don't have as many attractions and such to offer, but the overall review was very good.
Quote from: reednavy on February 08, 2010, 12:53:41 PM
Go back in time and read post 2006 Super Bowl views of the experience people had here. Granted we don't have as many attractions and such to offer, but the overall review was very good.
really...did you read the national press...or the comments from Philly writers?
I think that Jacksonville would be best not bidding until we can host it without the cruise ships. Once we get to that point, and I honestly believe we will, we will have a convention center (nothing else would cause us to build 4,000 hotel rooms). The entertainment district is coming. Anyone who hasn't been Downtown in the last six months is seriously missing out.
Quote from: tufsu1 on February 08, 2010, 01:00:22 PM
really...did you read the national press...or the comments from Philly writers?
Fan reviews, not bullcrap Philly sportswriters. More reviews were positive than negative, but the biggest ones that were negative were of course from ESPN and other big name stations and/or newspapers.
Even with the current situation Steve, I'd still bid, it never hurts to try.
If you don't meet the minimumn qualifications, you don't bid...period
what was funny to me was how the media kept bashing the Miami stadium. saying the San Diego & Miami need new stadiums. What Dallas & Phoenix have really set the bar high. Jax field is only 15 yrs old. Jax needs to be agressive!!
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Let's get a bid in for 2014!
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Thats what im saying go for it every year! nothing wrong with being denied. Just go for it!
people act as if when the game is awarded they play the game the same year.every city knows 5 years to plan. Jax has one under its belt. It wont be a rookie superbowl people. 5 years is a lot of time.
Quote from: tufsu1 on February 08, 2010, 01:34:01 PM
If you don't meet the minimumn qualifications, you don't bid...period
Then what happened in 2006? We bid for that one and got it, so what made them pick us? I think having a small cruise ship or two as accomodations was unique, even though some took shots at it. So freckin what, it worked, I say bid for it and I'm sticking to it. I don't get what you mean by not bidding for it. So I guess you're trying to say we never should've bid for the 2006 SB, not got it, missed out on the recognition, and the revenue?
Quote from: reednavy on February 08, 2010, 02:36:39 PM
Quote from: tufsu1 on February 08, 2010, 01:34:01 PM
If you don't meet the minimumn qualifications, you don't bid...period
Then what happened in 2006? We bid for that one and got it, so what made them pick us? I think having a small cruise ship or two as accomodations was unique, even though some took shots at it. So freckin what, it worked, I say bid for it and I'm sticking to it. I don't get what you mean by not bidding for it. So I guess you're trying to say we never should've bid for the 2006 SB, not got it, missed out on the recognition, and the revenue?
not at all what I am saying...we made a bid for 2005 that included use of cruise ships for hotels....now that folks have seen that in action, I doubt they would approve of a similar plan for a future game.
Face it, this town can not compete year-in, year-out with the likes of Tampa, San Diego, New Orleans, etc. for Super Bowls...remember that often new teams (or new stadiums) are granted a game.
BTW...the main problem Miami has (according to the Super Bowl folks) is that it is open-air...the last time they had a Super Bopwl there, it rained....also, keep in mind that the 2010 game was supposed to be in New Orleans and got moved because of Katrina.
The city is broke, so finding money for another bid is really out of the question. Plus, the city needs to concentrate on getting the level of support for the Jags to the appropriate level. That is a plate full already.
The results of the last SB for Jax were mixed at best. Many local businesses lost money that week.
A future bid might be a good idea at some point, but I would wait until the Jags are more stable, the economy has recovered, Bay St is post-Courthouse and further along, and DT momentum has been regained.
I realize that some of those things could happen in the years between getting a bid and the actual game, but I would wait until they have all happened.
Perhaps the better goal would be to seek to be 'SB bid ready', rather than simply go for another game immediately.
When we can answer 'yes' to a list of questions like this, then we are ready ...
1) Adequate lodging
2) A genuine DT entertainment district instead of a movie-set one
3) Improved transit in the core
4) A DT that would impress someone that came to the 2005 SB by comparison
5) A Landing that has been re-done SINCE the 80's
6) A Riverwalk that is safe, clean, and well-used
That's a start anyway.
Sorry NFL, but I'd rather attend an outdoors SB game. Most teams play outside, so IMO, it isn't fair to always want to have it indoors. The onyl reason Dallas and Indianapolis have games, in 2011 and 2012 respectively, is becuase they're indoors only. If it were an outside venue, Indy would be completely out of the mix and Dallas would be marginal.
I honestly think that the NFL needs to get off the indoor craze and expand the SB to more cities that have still relatively ok conditions this time of year. I'd be all for adding Charlotte and Nashville, even if they're both outside venues.
Football is a sport made to be played outdoors. The Univ. of Minnesota opened their new OUTDOOR stadium this past season, and did very well. The direction the NFL has been going over the years, I hope for a lockout in 2011, that'll teach all levels are leson, granted a hard one. It would suck for Indy cause they wouldn't get the SB in 2012 then.
It is high time for a Super Bowl in Lambeau then!! ;)
We'll call it the "Ice Bowl II"
Quote from: reednavy on February 08, 2010, 03:42:06 PM
I honestly think that the NFL needs to get off the indoor craze and expand the SB to more cities that have still relatively ok conditions this time of year. I'd be all for adding Charlotte and Nashville, even if they're both outside venues.
Football is a sport made to be played outdoors. The Univ. of Minnesota opened their new OUTDOOR stadium this past season, and did very well.
Three thoughts:
1. Nashville - did you see how cold the Music City Bowl (Kentucky v. Clemson) looked this year?
2. Minneapolis - Univ. of Minnesota stops playing in November...try and have a game outdoors now
3. Its not about the players, its about the fans that pay $1000 per ticket...they can't be cold or wet
Quote from: tufsu1 on February 08, 2010, 04:30:33 PM
Quote from: reednavy on February 08, 2010, 03:42:06 PM
I honestly think that the NFL needs to get off the indoor craze and expand the SB to more cities that have still relatively ok conditions this time of year. I'd be all for adding Charlotte and Nashville, even if they're both outside venues.
Football is a sport made to be played outdoors. The Univ. of Minnesota opened their new OUTDOOR stadium this past season, and did very well.
Three thoughts:
1. Nashville - did you see how cold the Music City Bowl (Kentucky v. Clemson) looked this year?
2. Minneapolis - Univ. of Minnesota stops playing in November...try and have a game outdoors now
3. Its not about the players, its about the fans that pay $1000 per ticket...they can't be cold or wet
Good point tufsu1; the fans pay a lot money for those tickets and for them to spend 3 hours or more in sub-freezing or freezing temperatures, or pouring, driving, wind driven rain, is not good for the super bowl in and of itself; fans will not pay to sit in the cold or rain; they'd rather be in Tampa, San Diego, Miami, or an indoor domed facility.
"HU"
Quote from: reednavy on February 08, 2010, 03:42:06 PM
Sorry NFL, but I'd rather attend an outdoors SB game. Most teams play outside, so IMO, it isn't fair to always want to have it indoors. The onyl reason Dallas and Indianapolis have games, in 2011 and 2012 respectively, is becuase they're indoors only. If it were an outside venue, Indy would be completely out of the mix and Dallas would be marginal.
I honestly think that the NFL needs to get off the indoor craze and expand the SB to more cities that have still relatively ok conditions this time of year. I'd be all for adding Charlotte and Nashville, even if they're both outside venues.
Football is a sport made to be played outdoors. The Univ. of Minnesota opened their new OUTDOOR stadium this past season, and did very well. The direction the NFL has been going over the years, I hope for a lockout in 2011, that'll teach all levels are leson, granted a hard one. It would suck for Indy cause they wouldn't get the SB in 2012 then.
dallas and indy are in, because they just built new stadiums . . . it's a great advertisement for the nfl to press the cities where the they and the team owners are complaining about their stadiums. It is a build and we will come mentality. it can definitely put pressure on jax in the future. maybe all the rumors about Goodell being anti jax are true and he wants to move the team, not weaver.
Quote from: tufsu1 on February 08, 2010, 01:34:01 PM
If you don't meet the minimumn qualifications, you don't bid...period
B S!! I say go for it every year like Phoenix does. There is always 4 Superbowls on line up. 3 right now. I know Jax probably want get the next opening, but I know San Diego, Miami & Tampa Bay are getting that spot. In my opinion that leaves Phoenix, Houston & maybe Atlanta, but Atlanta is talking the same "we cant do it" crap that Jax is doing.
Quote from: BridgeTroll on February 08, 2010, 03:46:45 PM
It is high time for a Super Bowl in Lambeau then!! ;)
the media snobs would have a field day!
Atlanta will never host another SB because the last time they did there was a major ice storm. It was too much of a negative experience. Jacksonville needs at least another decade. Coolyfett and Reednavy, I love the optimism, but at this point you guys need to start sounding more realistic. The state the city is still in right now would be an embarassment even to place a bid. Goodell and other NFL execs would only laugh at us.
Besides, I think SBs are highly overrated. There are plenty of other events that bring more people and cost less. The SB can almost be like a mini Olympics: A huge money loser even after exposure and crowds is taken into effect. Our city's/taxpayer's money would be much better spent improving downtown and attracting business than lobbying for a SB and rebuilding our stadium. Once we do the first step, then let's talk. Also, Jax has a fog/weather problem for Feb. It can be down right cold! People do not come to FL to be cold. Period.
So, it was in the 50s in Miami at the end of the game, what's your point on the weather? I'm a meteorologist, so you can't tell me that bullcrap about the weather.
Cooly, San Diego will not host another SB unless they can get Qualcomm Stadium up to par, which ain't happening anytime soon.
Quote3. Its not about the players, its about the fans that pay $1000 per ticket...they can't be cold or wet
I paid 500 each for my seats in 2003, I had a great time, even though it was a bit chilly during the game. The day was warm, the bands were fun, it was the best that downtown has looked since I have been here in my 30+years.
QuoteA huge money loser even after exposure and crowds is taken into effect.
Simms - I guess we should throw out the Gator Bowl and FL/GA games while we're at it. Forget the fact that they bring an estimated 20-30 million PER game to our local economy. Super Bowl cities have 200-300 million impact, we have had jobs created as a result of the SB played here. I think it was well worth the investment. Downtown has not looked so good since then.
Our stadium, at 15 is looking a bit tired compared to the new Dallas or Indy stadiums. Even Miami is getting thrown under the bus for a 20 year old stadium. The Ga Dome is nothing new either, and the NFL wants the games played in newer stadiums. I don't see the game coming back anytime soon, but never say never.
Quote from: simms3 on February 08, 2010, 08:17:19 PM
Besides, I think SBs are highly overrated. There are plenty of other events that bring more people and cost less. The SB can almost be like a mini Olympics: A huge money loser even after exposure and crowds is taken into effect. Our city's/taxpayer's money would be much better spent improving downtown and attracting business than lobbying for a SB and rebuilding our stadium.
I don't think it's anything like the olympics. Beijing and Athens lost money because they spent billions building infrastructure and venues that have gone to waste after the events ended. And the costs with security and ceremony/celebrations is not even comparable to the two-week long Olympics. Of course, the olympics also stand to generate far more exposure and revenue if done "properly," but my main point is that the Super Bowl is definitely a net positive for the city. We aren't talking about building a stadium for the game and then tearing it down afterward. It's already there for use by other tenants and will continue to be, with or without another SB.
And yet, I agree to wait until we are ready before placing another bid.
I think the two things that would hinder us right now is the transportation issue. Downtown Jacksonville was a mad house clogged with buses and limo's. All we have are city buses and the skyway, which goes nowhere. I feel that if we extended the skyway to the stadium, that would be the best thing we could have ever done. However we all know thats not going to happen. As far as entertainment, the Bay street area is popping and only getting better, and there a new hotels poppin up everyday. I feel once all these things are in line, we will be better positioned to host a event of that size with no problem.
Quote from: thelakelander on October 02, 2008, 09:03:13 AM
Not anytime soon. Perhaps after a few years of positive urban, entertainment, hotel and mass transit improvements. If I had to toss a year out there, it would be somewhere between 2025 and 2030.
Are we ready for another Superbowl yet....Scoreboards seem ready.
Nope. It will be a while and it will take more than nice scoreboards and pools.
I like this subject, and you had it right here Lake.
Quote from: thelakelander on October 02, 2008, 09:03:13 AM
Not anytime soon. Perhaps after a few years of positive urban, entertainment, hotel and mass transit improvements. If I had to toss a year out there, it would be somewhere between 2025 and 2030.
Lets say everything in Brooklyn continues smoothly, Khan gets the Shipyards to be a successful development on the scale he has discussed, Healthy Town goes great, and the Landing is developed to something on these lines...
(http://jacksonville.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/lead_photo_wide/newlanding.jpg)
The NFL then might start to
think about another Jax Super Bowl. The hotel and exhibition space is still a big problem for them, as is the mass transit and there not being an overwhelming number of entertainment options like there is in Miami and New Orleans. Also the NFL liked the idea of Jax having the Super Bowl before it started to really be a "big league" city. Part of the appeal of this, is so that when the Super Bowl comes back, the growth the NFL believes they help to spur would be evident, thus the need to fix some of the holes.
I wouldn't even waste my time considering a super bowl without a major expansion of hotel rooms and actually doing something to really enhance mass transit connectivity. I'm not sure JTA's BRT-lite proposal would be considered an enhancement for this demographic, so it would have to be something that really attracts choice riders.
Quote from: thelakelander on November 29, 2014, 05:12:06 PM
I wouldn't even waste my time considering a super bowl without a major expansion of hotel rooms and actually doing something to really enhance mass transit connectivity. I'm not sure JTA's BRT-lite proposal would be considered an enhancement for this demographic, so it would have to be something that really attracts choice riders.
Yah I think after their last experience here, just fixing the hotel problem wont be enough. The NFL knows the area is spread out, and I think they'd like something like a nice, comfortable, well designed LRT system. The BRT-lite would be laughed out by the owners who live in cities like Denver, San Francisco, NYC, Chicago, Minneapolis....
I honestly don't think transit is that big an issue. It's primarily a hotel rooms and entertainment issue. Where transit comes into play is it would really help improve vibrancy and connectivity, but transit itself isn't the key. Otherwise Tampa, Phoenix, Miami and Dallas wouldn't be as popular as they are. Tampa and Phoenix don't have good transit and while Dallas and Miami are ok, their stadiums aren't connected at all.
Quote from: ProjectMaximus on November 29, 2014, 08:23:46 PM
I honestly don't think transit is that big an issue. It's primarily a hotel rooms and entertainment issue. Where transit comes into play is it would really help improve vibrancy and connectivity, but transit itself isn't the key. Otherwise Tampa, Phoenix, Miami and Dallas wouldn't be as popular as they are. Tampa and Phoenix don't have good transit and while Dallas and Miami are ok, their stadiums aren't connected at all.
Get someone to built a casino DT, there's your entertainment and hotel rooms...two birds with one stone.
Quote from: ProjectMaximus on November 29, 2014, 08:23:46 PM
I honestly don't think transit is that big an issue. It's primarily a hotel rooms and entertainment issue. Where transit comes into play is it would really help improve vibrancy and connectivity, but transit itself isn't the key. Otherwise Tampa, Phoenix, Miami and Dallas wouldn't be as popular as they are. Tampa and Phoenix don't have good transit and while Dallas and Miami are ok, their stadiums aren't connected at all.
Due to the hordes of spectators that descend on the area holding a super bowl, the NFL likes a city to have a decent/improving mass system (see Minneapolis's Metro Green Line being a factor in their being awarded the 2018 game... as well as the new 1 billion dollar stadium opening next season). Tampa and Miami get around this by already being long time super bowl destination cities from before the time that was really looked at as a factor. Same with Phoenix, although with the opening of the Metro LTR there in 2008, even they are starting to improve. And Dallas just got to host it that one time as an honor for building such a huge, fancy facility. That and Jerry's sway over the other owners (stripper parties.... jk... i think)
In terms of Jax though, since we are so spread out, connectivity goes a long way. Especially when its to vibrant places that already exist.
Quote from: ProjectMaximus on November 29, 2014, 08:23:46 PM
I honestly don't think transit is that big an issue. It's primarily a hotel rooms and entertainment issue. Where transit comes into play is it would really help improve vibrancy and connectivity, but transit itself isn't the key. Otherwise Tampa, Phoenix, Miami and Dallas wouldn't be as popular as they are. Tampa and Phoenix don't have good transit and while Dallas and Miami are ok, their stadiums aren't connected at all.
True. However, those other cities are more compact in terms of hotel rooms and distance between entertainment options and their stadiums. All are also multiple times larger than Jax. The smallest is Tampa and it's MSA is more than twice our size. When it comes to hosting major events, we're no where close to being in their league. However, that's not an indictment against us. We're just much smaller in population and what we have to offer isn't available in a compact environment, similar to a place like Indianapolis.
Sounds like quite a few exceptions to the rule was made regarding transit in other Super Bowl cities (two FL cities among them). I'm not sure why Jax's mass transit have to be this stand alone jewel in the South to get a SB back. The key is hotels and entertainment specifically DT.
Quote from: I-10east on November 29, 2014, 11:53:05 PM
Sounds like quite a few exceptions to the rule was made regarding transit in other Super Bowl cities (two FL cities among them). I'm not sure why Jax's mass transit have to be this stand alone jewel in the South to get a SB back. The key is hotels and entertainment specifically DT.
No one said jewel, and considering off the top my head, Atlanta, New Orleans (regular southern Super Bowl host by the way), it wont hurt us. Hotels and entertainment are majorly important, as is having an adequate exhibition space for hosting corporate events and the NFL experience showcase, but it's probably more important to show the city has truly become an NFL market (or can at least do a much better job of keeping up appearances).
By the way, you want to know how you get all the nation to stop talking about how small time Jax was last Super Bowl? You knock there socks off at the second one. And considering how many people come from urban markets where they don't have to drive all the time like New York, Chicago, SF, Boston......