http://www.bizjournals.com/jacksonville/news/2016/03/17/jaguars-amphitheater-flex-field-construction-to.html?ana=twt
Nice to have an actual starting point, though who knows how long it will take.
Doubt it is ready for this season. But will be nice once it is finished.
^When they originally announced them both, the idea was the Amphitheater would be done about the end of the calendar year. I doubt they hit that, but could come close I suppose.
QuoteOne of the strategies for doing this is hosting concerts on Saturday night as a warm-up for Sunday game days. Since the Jaguars only have seven home games per year, due to their one home game per year in London, this could be a critical element of their success.
"To convince people to come in from further away – because we have to do that to grow our market – the idea is that it's a Jaguars weekend," Lamping said. "When you hear there's a Jaguars game, you'll know now the night before there's a concert. The only question is who's playing."
I like it.
Nice read Ken, glad construction will be starting.
I heard once they start they'll be working on it 24/7 6 days a week
Any retail built into any of this? I only ask because Jerry Jones has surrounded his stadium with restaurants, shops, hotels, etc. The Jags stadium is kind of in a no mans land right now.
^The team would like to utilize the other side of Bay Street for that. They mentioned reimagining Metro Park and the surrounding areas in the Print Edition.
They still want to do the shipyards, but until the city cleans it up (or they strike a deal to get it cleaned up) I don't see it happening.
^I can't see Khan being all that seriously interested in the Shipyards now that the city won't be essentially paying him to take it. And that's mostly a good thing, since the things Khan really wanted - the practice field and amphitheater - have been moved off the water.
Quote from: Dapperdan on March 18, 2016, 10:45:17 AM
Any retail built into any of this? I only ask because Jerry Jones has surrounded his stadium with restaurants, shops, hotels, etc. The Jags stadium is kind of in a no mans land right now.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/14878969/how-jerry-jones-dallas-cowboys-changing-game-new-training-facility
I would love to see a hotel built close to the stadium. As far as retail, I would create a space for pop-up shops.
After speaking with DVI last night, it was interesting to learn how many acts and agents do not like SMG, so Khan and his people will manage the acts and entertainment. It will be great to see what they can do!
Quote from: mtraininjax on March 20, 2016, 08:53:58 AM
After speaking with DVI last night, it was interesting to learn how many acts and agents do not like SMG, so Khan and his people will manage the acts and entertainment. It will be great to see what they can do!
Is it because SMG is best at getting bottom dollar for acts?
Or is it because SMG is not running the events well?
Would love to hear the center of the gripes.
I noticed this the other day:
http://www.floridabids.net/bid-opportunities/2016/05/11/7033805-EverBank-Field-Improvements-South-End-Zone-Phase-II-Amphitheater-and-Covered-Flex-Field-Project.html (http://www.floridabids.net/bid-opportunities/2016/05/11/7033805-EverBank-Field-Improvements-South-End-Zone-Phase-II-Amphitheater-and-Covered-Flex-Field-Project.html)
So, the phase 2 EverBank Field improvements of the South endzone leading into the Amphitheater leading into the Flex Field will go to bid soon. I'm anxious to know when these exterior projects are scheduled to be completed. Sometime next summer, I presume.
QuoteSo, the phase 2 EverBank Field improvements of the South endzone leading into the Amphitheater leading into the Flex Field will go to bid soon. I'm anxious to know when these exterior projects are scheduled to be completed. Sometime next summer, I presume.
If Facebook knows you are a Jaguar fan, they are throwing the video of how the entertainment district will look with a new club section featured in the end zone. Love him or think he's crazy, Lamping knows how to turn a Teal Seat Stadium with Concrete and steel into a 5-ring circus. The man never stops promoting and looking for ways to drive more revenue for Khan.
When you're the little city that could, full of residents who moved here who still can't quite fully acknowledge your rather obvious strengths, that's what you have to do. Achieve against the odds, because the odds are definitely against us. That's why we're so incredibly lucky to have Khan and Lamping. They know we're not a Super Bowl city; fewer and fewer places are but we definitively proved the event has outgrown smaller cities. Those two guys aren't reality-challenged. They're cool with who we are and can be. The best is yet to come from them.
I watched the NFL press conference yesterday from Charlotte announcing the next round of host cities. A reporter from Charlotte asked what it was going to take to get the game there and the Commissioner was very diplomatic in his response. He essentially said, it ain't likely (factors: ability to handle influx of 100,000 people, hotel rooms near entertainment district, well-established tourism infrastructure, etc.) but hey, put together a great proposal and we'll see.
The NFL is about to go into a rotation where L.A. is probably going to get the most, by far, and Miami the second most, with a few other locations sprinkled in as needed.
Quote from: mtraininjax on May 20, 2016, 05:06:01 AM
QuoteSo, the phase 2 EverBank Field improvements of the South endzone leading into the Amphitheater leading into the Flex Field will go to bid soon. I'm anxious to know when these exterior projects are scheduled to be completed. Sometime next summer, I presume.
If Facebook knows you are a Jaguar fan, they are throwing the video of how the entertainment district will look with a new club section featured in the end zone. Love him or think he's crazy, Lamping knows how to turn a Teal Seat Stadium with Concrete and steel into a 5-ring circus. The man never stops promoting and looking for ways to drive more revenue for Khan.
Can't find this video anywhere.
Salaries keep going up.
More competition for peoples attention.
Have to find new ways to bring people in because its more than just a football game now. Football is merely a premise to bring them together, now one has to find new ways to keep them there and by extension, spending their money.
The actual game is the means, everything else is a matter of tools.
Mike Kaye, FCN said on Twitter that during media tour this morning they announced construction to start mid June with completion in Spring, 2017.
And they announced on 1010XL today they already have another upgrade for a special section they'll be renovating after this upcoming season is done. In the South Endzone, somehow interacting with the Bud Light Party Zone on the Sky Patio or the State Farm Neighborhood Fan Cave above.
This means it may also have some applicability with the amphitheater.
So they don't have to go before the DDRB like all the other downtown projects?
Thought I heard that the new stadium in ATL will have the world's largest video boards. But at least they won't have a swimming pool. Guess we better find another $90M
Quote from: thelakelander on May 25, 2016, 03:28:56 PM
So they don't have to go before the DDRB like all the other downtown projects?
Do city projects usually have to go through the DDRB? Anyway, it will probably turn out better without DDRB being involved, the rate we're going.
Quote from: exnewsman on May 26, 2016, 01:33:36 PM
Thought I heard that the new stadium in ATL will have the world's largest video boards. But at least they won't have a swimming pool. Guess we better find another $90M
It'll be larger, but it's also an oculus in the roof so it's not really comparable. Based on the renderings I've seen I'm not sure how well it'll work with viewing angles, etc. It's also extremely high. People in the 100 sections will have to break their necks to see it
Good question. I thought the YMCA renovation, into city hall annex, did but I could be wrong.
^ of note, the current modifications to the entrance of City Hall did not.
This expansion by the city and the Jaguars will make Jacksonville competitive in the both music festival and stadium concert markets. it will provide two covered venues and a stadium.
Quote from: tufsu1 on May 26, 2016, 09:21:37 PM
^ of note, the current modifications to the entrance of City Hall did not.
stop with all that reality based smack talk tufsu1. Stephen won't be able to ken all that.I mean, heaven forbid we ponder a major addition to our downtown core without some Pavlov Dog bitching and moaning and speculatin' 'bout nuttin, nuttin.
Quote from: brucef58 on May 28, 2016, 10:06:44 AM
This expansion by the city and the Jaguars will make Jacksonville competitive in the both music festival and stadium concert markets. it will provide two covered venues and a stadium.
We currently have venues of multiple sizes in the metro area (T-U Center with 600, 1800, 3200); Florida Theater at 1900, Metro Park at 10k, Arena at 10-12k, Stadium at 40-70k seating design dependent, St Aug at 4000. So wondering how a 5k venue helps us that much. Just asking.
Quote from: exnewsman on June 02, 2016, 12:17:49 PM
Quote from: brucef58 on May 28, 2016, 10:06:44 AM
This expansion by the city and the Jaguars will make Jacksonville competitive in the both music festival and stadium concert markets. it will provide two covered venues and a stadium.
We currently have venues of multiple sizes in the metro area (T-U Center with 600, 1800, 3200); Florida Theater at 1900, Metro Park at 10k, Arena at 10-12k, Stadium at 40-70k seating design dependent, St Aug at 4000. So wondering how a 5k venue helps us that much. Just asking.
St. Augustine isn't Jacksonville and Metro Park isn't a good venue. The stage is condemned so now they erect a dedicated stage for each show. Neither the Arena, Florida Theater nor the TU Center are viable for music festivals or ideal for longer format multi-band shows.
Quote from: exnewsman on June 02, 2016, 12:17:49 PM
Quote from: brucef58 on May 28, 2016, 10:06:44 AM
This expansion by the city and the Jaguars will make Jacksonville competitive in the both music festival and stadium concert markets. it will provide two covered venues and a stadium.
We currently have venues of multiple sizes in the metro area (T-U Center with 600, 1800, 3200); Florida Theater at 1900, Metro Park at 10k, Arena at 10-12k, Stadium at 40-70k seating design dependent, St Aug at 4000. So wondering how a 5k venue helps us that much. Just asking.
I would personally like to see this new 5k venue pick up some of the shows that go to the St. Aug venue
Quote from: exnewsman on June 02, 2016, 12:17:49 PM
Quote from: brucef58 on May 28, 2016, 10:06:44 AM
This expansion by the city and the Jaguars will make Jacksonville competitive in the both music festival and stadium concert markets. it will provide two covered venues and a stadium.
We currently have venues of multiple sizes in the metro area (T-U Center with 600, 1800, 3200); Florida Theater at 1900, Metro Park at 10k, Arena at 10-12k, Stadium at 40-70k seating design dependent, St Aug at 4000. So wondering how a 5k venue helps us that much. Just asking.
We have a lack of venues seating between about 1k-5k people, which is the size the industry has trended toward. We are definitely missing touring acts for the reason that we don't have enough adequate venues.
The venues around this size that we do have, all have their drawbacks. The Florida Theater is an amazing space, but as an older theater it's not great for amplified music, and the seats aren't removable (nor should they be). Similarly, the TU Center is terrific for its purpose, but isn't great for modern concerts and the seats are also fixed (I believe). Metro Park's bandshell is a goner and it can only be used a limited number of times a year. St. Augustine Amphitheater and Ponte Vedra Concert Hall are, well, in St. Augustine and (somewhat close to) Ponte Vedra. Even though they do well, a similar, modern venue Downtown should do a lot better.
Beyond the fact that these will be two absolutely unique, elite-level spaces integrated into EverBank Field in an equally unique way, we aren't discussing enough (it seems to me) the potential for this area to morph into an outstanding entertainment district.
The Jacksonville Public Market may have a pie-in-the-sky approach, but it's an interesting effort that I'll be hoping succeeds:
http://www.groundworkjacksonville.org/projects/public-market/
The Intuition Ale/Manifest Distilling/Doro complex of building should have some initial life this September and grow from there:
http://www.jaxdailyrecord.com/showstory.php?Story_id=547232
And, of course, hope springs eternal for The Shipyards. Good things are happening.
They are ready to start construction of the amphitheater/flex field. Just waiting for schedules to align to do the actual groundbreaking ceremony.
QuoteLamping said design work is complete and work has started on the 5,500-seat Amphitheatre/flex field project that will be built adjacent to EverBank's South End Zone.
"We haven't done the ceremonial groundbreaking yet, and the only reason we haven't done that is sometimes it's difficult to get schedules coordinated between very busy people such as [Jaguars Owner] Shad Khan and the mayor of Jacksonville [Lenny Curry],'' Lamping said. "Work has started. It's not a lot that people will be able to see, but the renovation at field level in the south end zone is really part of the Amphitheatre project and that's almost complete."
http://www.jaguars.com/news/article-JaguarsNews/-Jaguarscom-LIVE-%E2%80%9CPeople-are-excited%E2%80%9D-Lamping-says/5282c949-aa8f-4442-a01e-7233ad78c92e (http://www.jaguars.com/news/article-JaguarsNews/-Jaguarscom-LIVE-%E2%80%9CPeople-are-excited%E2%80%9D-Lamping-says/5282c949-aa8f-4442-a01e-7233ad78c92e)
Channel 4 had an interesting program on yesterday providing an in-depth look at the new renovations at the stadium:
http://www.news4jax.com/everbank-evolution
And Shad Khan dropped a very interesting nugget about development plans
*east* of The Shipyards property coming down the road, including a luxury hotel.
QuoteSpring, 2017 is the target date for completion of the south end zone project. It will be open for plenty of events before it's ever used as an indoor football field.
Once that's done, Khan has plans for the Shipyards project, probably starting a little east of the actual shipyard property with a luxury hotel, a walk-bridge to the stadium, public spaces, some retail, a spot for the USS Adams and, maybe, even docking space for Shad's mega yacht "Kismet."
Hmmmmmm.
That sounds like the waterfront next to the stadium maybe towards Arlington?
That would make no sense...
^It sounds like the area directly east of the Shipyards proper, currently used for gameday parking.
Wouldn't be surprised to see Met Park eventually become part of that discussion as well.
http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2015-04-30/story/relocating-metropoltian-park-could-be-part-talks-khan-about-shipyard
Completion of this project in the spring will be very important. The Jags will have a good chance at the 2018 or 2019 NFL Draft. Philadelphia will host the draft next year.
QuoteWouldn't be surprised to see Met Park eventually become part of that discussion as well.
My recollection is that Melody Bishop, when on the DIA, proposed that Khan swap, take Metro Park for development and leave the Shipyards as green space. I believe Khan's team was open to this at the time. With the current construction, this makes more sense than ever.
I hear that cleaning up the Shipyards for development is prohibitive so it is likely not feasible anytime soon. But as a park, cover it with a few feet of clean fill, and it's likely usable as green space. I have read this has been done with brownfields many times.
Metro Park's proximity to the sports complex makes that a better location for development. The Shipyards proximity to downtown and residential possibilities, along with the Hyatt, make that a better spot for green space. Let's see if common sense prevails for once :).
Quote from: JaxAvondale on August 01, 2016, 12:04:15 PM
Completion of this project in the spring will be very important. The Jags will have a good chance at the 2018 or 2019 NFL Draft. Philadelphia will host the draft next year.
Funny thing about Philly hosting next year is the Eagles don't have a first pick. It was dealt to Cleveland in the move up to get Wentz.
Quote from: Tacachale on August 01, 2016, 11:04:19 AM
^It sounds like the area directly east of the Shipyards proper, currently used for gameday parking.
That would make sense. Doesn't that property have the Fire Museum on it? I didn't think Khan owned that but did own the property next to Hogan's Creek next door to the property you mentioned. I thought the property you are speaking of was basically part of the park? If so, the land swap would make sense.
Quote from: copperfiend on August 01, 2016, 02:01:20 PM
Quote from: JaxAvondale on August 01, 2016, 12:04:15 PM
Completion of this project in the spring will be very important. The Jags will have a good chance at the 2018 or 2019 NFL Draft. Philadelphia will host the draft next year.
Funny thing about Philly hosting next year is the Eagles don't have a first pick. It was dealt to Cleveland in the move up to get Wentz.
They will be booing every pick all night.
When this project is completed, the Jags and city will be able to make a good case for hosting the draft. Jacksonville has 6 teams located within an 8 hour drive of the city. This will be huge for getting a lot of fans from other teams to come to the draft.
Quote from: FlaBoy on August 01, 2016, 02:21:28 PM
Quote from: Tacachale on August 01, 2016, 11:04:19 AM
^It sounds like the area directly east of the Shipyards proper, currently used for gameday parking.
That would make sense. Doesn't that property have the Fire Museum on it? I didn't think Khan owned that but did own the property next to Hogan's Creek next door to the property you mentioned. I thought the property you are speaking of was basically part of the park? If so, the land swap would make sense.
Khan doesn't own any of it. All that area (including the stadium and parking) is the City. Yes, the parcel with the fire station and docks is generally lumped in and administered as part of Metro Park, it's where Kids Kampus was until Mayor Peyton turned it into a grass "flex space". That may be what they're talking about. Unlike eastern Metro Park, which is actually over National Parks Service land, it's owned by the city so it would be easier to swap. They could also just be referring to the easternmost parts of the "Shipyards", which weren't really part of the original shipyards property but are packaged together in most deals that have been discussed.
From the T-U today, Jags President Mark Lamping on the end zone renovations.
Sounds like the Jags are serious about making Everbank a destination for music festivals, which would likely make Met Park even more obsolete.
QuoteThe new entrance in the South End Zone also presents opportunities for EverBank Field, besides being the final stop on the team's Prowl when it takes the field.
"It's part of the amphitheater project," Lamping said. "The primary reason was to make the facility work better for other events. If we hosted a music festival here with multiple stages, the amphitheater, the flex field and the main stage on the field. The problem with having concerts on the field in most stadiums is it's hard to get the customers on and off. That gives us the ability to very efficiently get fans on and off the field. It makes it a better site for other events, especially music festivals."
Still sippin' from that jug of haterade, I see.
That entertainment district is going to become something special thanks to Shad.
^ that's laughable.
It's all about clustering. The amphitheater at Millennium Park in Chicago works because its literally 2 blocks from the core. The Stadium area may develop into a new entertainment area, but it will have VERY little impact on the downtown core.
Sometimes I wonder if we'll ever learn.
QuoteThe Stadium area may develop into a new entertainment area, but it will have VERY little impact on the downtown core.
+1
Downtown better come up with a better plan than dressing up parks to save itself, soon the stadium will be the place to be and maybe that's all downtown is, a watering hole/dinner stop on the way to a new entertainment site.
Quote from: tufsu1 on August 01, 2016, 10:51:43 PMThe amphitheater at Millennium Park in Chicago works because its literally 2 blocks from the core. The Stadium area may develop into a new entertainment area, but it will have VERY little impact on the downtown core.
Amen. I like the idea of the amphitheater at the stadium, but a substitute for what the core should be? Nope. It's way too far from the core to the stadium-not exactly walkable.
Quote from: tufsu1 on August 01, 2016, 10:51:43 PM
^ that's laughable.
It's all about clustering. The amphitheater at Millennium Park in Chicago works because its literally 2 blocks from the core. The Stadium area may develop into a new entertainment area, but it will have VERY little impact on the downtown core.
Sometimes I wonder if we'll ever learn.
It's tough sledding, but I think he's working with the hand he's been dealt. Sure the taxpayers have ponied up a metric assload of cash for improvements, but he's putting quite a bit of his own flesh in as well. There's no legitimate way to connect the stadium area and downtown in any foreseeable future. Not with a toxic wasteland on the south of Bay and the detention center on the north. The biggest thing that going to have to happen in mass transit connectivity between the 2, whether skyway or streetcar, I don't care, but something with dedicated infrastructure that's not asphalt. Then you will need to have hotels around the stadium to put people where the action is.
No, what's laughable is how narrow some of you can be on this issue. In many other similar situations, we'd be admonished to think broadly. To think outside the
"box." The Jaguars, through the leadership of Shad Khan, have made that
"box" of a stadium into segmented pieces that if viewed as stand-alone venues added to downtown Jacksonville would be praised to the high heavens.
The US Assure West Club (country club emphasis)
The US Assure East Club (sports bar emphasis)
The Amphitheater
The Flex Field
These spaces have all been (or soon will be) essentially turned into unique, stand-alone spaces capable of hosting nightlife events in downtown Jacksonville year-round on any day of the week.
That isn't speculation, that's fact. Presuming "The Shipyards" property is turned into a significant 48-acre greenspace that connects with Klutho Park, you will have revolutionized how inviting the downtown riverfront is not simply to Jacksonville residents but to Northeast Florida residents as well. Build a luxury hotel on-site and add other amenities that mirror what the Patriots (and other NFL teams) have already proven to be viable, and you will have transformed downtown Jacksonville while the bitch-and-moan crowd sat on the sidelines crying about this or that.
tufsu1QuoteThe Stadium area may develop into a new entertainment area, but it will have VERY little impact on the downtown core.
QuoteSometimes I wonder if we'll ever learn.
We'll no doubt revisit this one day, tufsu1, but of course you'd think that way; you keep insisting on viewing Jacksonville from an inapplicable northern, urban lens. That's not the way Florida works, that's not the way the South works. One of these days, hopefully, you'll wake up and come to terms with the city (and region) you live in. So, addressing this narrow issue only, it's high time you and ya buddies get ya head outta ya ass. But if you don't, by all means -- do keep yawning and laughing. You won't stop this train.
You know, sometimes I wonder if
y'all will ever learn.
Quotestand-alone spaces capable of hosting nightlife events in downtown Jacksonville year-round on any day of the week.
This already happens, Jacksonville Magazine hosts its Best of Jax party in the West Club, the Humane Society has its fundraiser in the Terrace, there are countless other events held in the various "meeting" areas of Everbank Field. Many Real Estate companies hold their awards events at Everbank as well.
Could these become daily nightclubs? Interesting, but there is nothing around it, other than going from club to club and there is no easy way to go from either club to the Terrace level. Perhaps this will come next year with the amphitheater.
Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on August 01, 2016, 11:56:23 PM
Not with a toxic wasteland on the south of Bay and the detention center on the north. The biggest thing that going to have to happen in mass transit connectivity between the 2, whether skyway or streetcar, I don't care, but something with dedicated infrastructure that's not asphalt. Then you will need to have hotels around the stadium to put people where the action is.
+1
There should be pedestrian access between the two. However I would put less emphasis on the skyway only because, in its current state, it connects nothing with nothing. You would need to extend it... not only to the stadium, but also to the adjacent neighborhoods.
Lets face it, the jail isn't going anywhere. Developing the shipyards would be a good alternative to the skyway, maybe even less expensive for the COJ to mitigate the environmental issues than build out the skyway.
I personally think that if The District proves successful, it will ignite the skyway ridership as well as push developers (Kahn or some other entity) to look a bit more closely at the development of the shipyards.
That area is an event district, but not an entertainment district. I think the best case scenario would be a hotel on the Shipyards land east of Hogan's Creek. There is real potential on AP Randolph St. with Intuition, the Distillery, and the building stock up that street. It is sad the stadiums are so poorly designed for street interaction and they stuck huge parking garages without street interaction.
If you could host the Naval Museum on the undeveloped Shipyards Park with some cool kiosks for food/bars one day (similar to what Blacksheep is doing at Hemming), I think it would be nice to preserve the waterfront for the people. In a perfect world, one day the city will move the Jail and Police Station off of Bay St.
The St. Augustine Amphitheater and Ponte Vedra Concert Hall are much more poorly located than this, and they do just fine. Metro Park, for all its faults, did pretty well when it was actually used for event - and would have been doing better if the gods had willed it to be a real concert space. The amphitheater's not as well located as it could be, but that's the hand they're dealt. The stadium is where it is, and has been for 90 years.
At the same time, it's turning a big empty lot into active use. Even being located off the beaten path, it certainly has the opportunity to contribute to growth in the area, much more than the St. Augustine Amphitheater and PVCH. They aren't necessarily obvious, but there are a lot of infill opportunities over there on top of whatever happens with the Shipyards.
Quote from: stephendare on August 02, 2016, 09:49:59 AM
Quote from: FlaBoy on August 02, 2016, 09:41:45 AM
That area is an event district, but not an entertainment district. I think the best case scenario would be a hotel on the Shipyards land east of Hogan's Creek. There is real potential on AP Randolph St. with Intuition, the Distillery, and the building stock up that street. It is sad the stadiums are so poorly designed for street interaction and they stuck huge parking garages without street interaction.
If you could host the Naval Museum on the undeveloped Shipyards Park with some cool kiosks for food/bars one day (similar to what Blacksheep is doing at Hemming), I think it would be nice to preserve the waterfront for the people. In a perfect world, one day the city will move the Jail and Police Station off of Bay St.
wow. we strongly agree.
What would you like to see?
Seems like a good question to me. Given the reality of the situation, and the limitations (presumed or real), what *would* you (or anyone else) like to see?
Quote from: tufsu1 on August 01, 2016, 10:51:43 PM
^ that's laughable.
It's all about clustering. The amphitheater at Millennium Park in Chicago works because its literally 2 blocks from the core. The Stadium area may develop into a new entertainment area, but it will have VERY little impact on the downtown core.
Sometimes I wonder if we'll ever learn.
What are the alternatives?
One alternative is what we have now, which is an entertainment district at the beaches and an amphitheater at Anastasia. Is that better for downtown than an entertainment and event district at the Sports Complex? Another alternative is for someone to develop something downtown similar to what Khan is doing in the Sports Complex with 100% private capital. Is there a long list of developers willing to do that, or no?
The way I see it, we can continue to have nothing or we can have a concert venue at the stadium. Which has more of an impact on downtown?
The Elbow is your downtown alternative. Keep building it up by working to create more synergy between existing spaces and focusing on compatible infill of adjacent underutilized spaces. Whatever happens around EverBank Field will eventually end up being a different node of activity. The best thing you can do here is link them and other urban core areas with reliable and frequent transit service. In the long term (I mean decades...), things will fill in if we don't screw the pooch.
Ampitheather/covered flex field will be called Daily's Place.
New video renderings:
http://www.jaguars.com/media-gallery/videos/Dailys-Place-official-video-renderings/af0c5d74-55fa-43eb-82f6-096f1dc8e289
Projected open for both facilities is May of next year.
Khan is shooting for an NFL Draft in Jacksonville, and has his sights set next on an upscale hotel and convention center across from the stadium.
That convention center hotel is going to happen, take that to the bank:
"What this means for the Shipyards is very good, because you have to have some inertia to get something going," Khan said. "We have now, across the highway, would be a great opportunity for a high-end hotel and convention center, which really this town needs. We'll try to work with the city and then as you move towards downtown, the city is wrestling with a lot of challenges environmentally. As that is addressed, then you can really have the growth. I think it's very good. It's embryonic, but important."
That utility of the flex field and amphitheater combo -- wondering if the bitch and moan crowd can begin to get the picture now? Maybe, hmmmmm?
I doubt it. Probably looking for that jug of haterade right about now. While yawning, of course.
Very impressive
I like it! :o :o :o
Quote from: KenFSU on August 19, 2016, 11:22:55 AM
Ampitheather/covered flex field will be called Daily's Place.
New video renderings:
http://www.jaguars.com/media-gallery/videos/Dailys-Place-official-video-renderings/af0c5d74-55fa-43eb-82f6-096f1dc8e289
Projected open for both facilities is May of next year.
Khan is shooting for an NFL Draft in Jacksonville, and has his sights set next on an upscale hotel and convention center across from the stadium.
Interesting. The only way this happens is if he pays for it. I definitely don't see the city coming up with the cash for a hotel or convention center at Metropolitan Park. If he does, more power to him because it would be a great example of putting his money where his mouth is on something that typically is a money loser.
The sports district is about to explode with growth.
I predict Khan is working a developing a roof for ever bank field as wel
"Convention Center across the highway" Does this mean in the vicinity of Metropolitan Park? That would be making the same mistake as the first time around. Too far from downtown and nothing to do around it.
Too far from downtown and nothing to do around it? That's called opportunity, finehoe. If you're equating this development with Metropolitan Park then you're working far too hard to *not* see the possibilities. It took tremendous creativity to see *this* possibility, and now it will soon be a reality.
Quote from: RattlerGator on August 19, 2016, 01:21:30 PM
Too far from downtown and nothing to do around it? That's called opportunity, finehoe. If you're equating this development with Metropolitan Park then you're working far too hard to *not* see the possibilities. It took tremendous creativity to see *this* possibility, and now it will soon be a reality.
I'm not equating it with the park, I'm equating it with the current location of the CC. It's just as far away from the heart of downtown as the Prime Osborn is, and the area around it is equally as devoid of life.
What 'opportunity' arose around 1000 Water St. over the last 30 years?
Quote from: finehoe on August 19, 2016, 01:38:05 PM
I'm not equating it with the park, I'm equating it with the current location of the CC. It's just as far away from the heart of downtown as the Prime Osborn is, and the area around it is equally as devoid of life.
Just as far, without a transit connection. All the elements of success ;)
Seriously though, I would love for Khan to make something happen but I fear even if he were to put up 100% of the cost himself I'd still worry that he was wasting his resources at this juncture. Downtown needs more vibrancy driven by clustering around what we already have happening organically. Unless he can single-handedly bring a few dozen new corporations + jobs tied to this development, and ten thousand new downtown residents, then such an attempt will flounder for years. I'm not hoping to see anyone, whether a broke city govt or a wealthy billionaire, waste away tens of millions of dollars. I am a fan of Khan and will roll with him til I have obvious reason to lose faith, but I would much rather him be the saviour of the Barnett Building and Laura Trio than some new stadium/convention district.
I wonder how close this came to being "Gate Theater"?
6 more months it have been "Wawa Theater"
Quote from: finehoe on August 19, 2016, 01:07:06 PM
"Convention Center across the highway" Does this mean in the vicinity of Metropolitan Park? That would be making the same mistake as the first time around. Too far from downtown and nothing to do around it.
Pretty much. Unless the plan is to create a second node of activity to compete head to head with the actual historic core a mile west. Long term (like 30 to 40 years from now), perhaps enough infill will occur to where the transition between the two is seamless.
Quote
Interesting. The only way this happens is if he pays for it. I definitely don't see the city coming up with the cash for a hotel or convention center at Metropolitan Park. If he does, more power to him because it would be a great example of putting his money where his mouth is on something that typically is a money loser.
Not sure where the city gets the money, but if he follows his recent pattern and puts down half the cost himself, it's a tough proposition to say no to, even if it makes much more sense in the CBD.
Quote from: JaGoaT on August 19, 2016, 12:52:09 PM
The sports district is about to explode with growth.
I predict Khan is working a developing a roof for ever bank field as wel
It's something the team has previously discussed as a future possibility.
(http://jacksonville.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/superphoto/photos/blogs/129/EverBankRoof990x743.jpg)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BniFJ52CYAAtmVr.png)
Seems like it's fallen off the priority list, and I doubt they'd get much city funding for such a thing.
Quote from: ProjectMaximus on August 19, 2016, 02:03:27 PM
Quote from: finehoe on August 19, 2016, 01:38:05 PM
I'm not equating it with the park, I'm equating it with the current location of the CC. It's just as far away from the heart of downtown as the Prime Osborn is, and the area around it is equally as devoid of life.
Just as far, without a transit connection. All the elements of success ;)
Seriously though, I would love for Khan to make something happen but I fear even if he were to put up 100% of the cost himself I'd still worry that he was wasting his resources at this juncture. Downtown needs more vibrancy driven by clustering around what we already have happening organically. Unless he can single-handedly bring a few dozen new corporations + jobs tied to this development, and ten thousand new downtown residents, then such an attempt will flounder for years. I'm not hoping to see anyone, whether a broke city govt or a wealthy billionaire, waste away tens of millions of dollars. I am a fan of Khan and will roll with him til I have obvious reason to lose faith, but I would much rather him be the saviour of the Barnett Building and Laura Trio than some new stadium/convention district.
He can follow the path of Dan Gilbert and Michael Ilitch in Detroit, move Flex-N-Gate's headquarters to town and include a live downtown incentive program for his employees to stimulate things. Throw in a Flex-N-Gate factory or two for the Northside or Westside and we'd certainly drop our panties and give up the goodies for such a sugar daddy ;).
^Legit laughed out loud at that last line, causing looks amongst my fellow coworkers.
Also, love how smartly integrated this is with the existing stadium infrastructure:
QuoteDaily's Place will be fully integrated into EverBank Field. At the ground level, the new south end zone field tunnel will lead to a brand new central bar connected to the amphitheater entrance. The existing Bud Light Party Zone and Terrace Suite areas will now be linked to the amphitheater's elevated seating decks via access bridges at each level.
The design is significantly less striking than the previous renderings. The building is more of a box now vs the flowing/sweeping shape it had before. Looks like a lot of the frills and decorative pieces were removed, but it still looks nice. I just don't think it'll be an iconic venue from a design perspective anymore... The integration into the stadium is awesome. If they host concerts pre game like they did last year I could see us having sell outs purely for the value.
^The perils of value engineering...
Still looks nice but less classy than before. Why was it watered downed I wonder?
^ It looks like a giant shed!
Quote from: Keith-N-Jax on August 19, 2016, 03:17:12 PM
Still looks nice but less classy than before. Why was it watered downed I wonder?
To save money. The guy is a billionare for a reason. EverBank ain't in London or NYC. Why spend Taj Mahal type money?
It is a football practice field.
Too bad though, they could have done better, it will look ok at night during football games, Still disappointing they watered it down.
There are a lot more opportunities for infill in the sports district than it usually gets credit for. This project and the smaller-but-important Intuition and Doro projects are signs of that. In addition to the Shipyards and former Kids Kampus, the parking lots are organized to be carved up for development, and there are several undeveloped or underused parcels. Moving First Coast News and WJCT (which is incredibly on riverfront property) would free up a lot of underused space too. It could easily become another node of activity without a huge amount of effort (far less than, say, Brooklyn or LaVilla). However, the city is unlikely to prioritize that (except entertainment uses, or things driven by the Jags) for the time being given other needs elsewhere in Downtown. I have to agree, even with more activity and a(nother) big hotel, it would be a pretty bad place for a convention center. But if Khan's paying a big chunk of it, it would be a lot easier to swallow.
Quote from: Keith-N-Jax on August 19, 2016, 03:36:13 PM
Too bad though, they could have done better, it will look ok at night during football games, Still disappointing they watered it down.
I think if you look closely at the "Amphitheatre" part of the project it looks better. Seating area appear more raised like a true theatre. Upper seating is nicely done. Technical features will probably top end. This part of the project will probably come out better than people think. This is truly an outdoor, totally covered theatre.
The real impact will be the number and type of events and how many people it can attract.
But the outside though, like Tusfu said, looks like a giant shed, once built this is apart of our city, viewable during major sporting events. Go back and look at the previous renderings. I am just a little disappointed but I am sure when finished it may grow on all of us. I hope :)
I don't know, I'm not really seeing the huge differences between what was shown in January and what was shown today. The original renders were a little more artsy and conceptual and included a few aspects which have always been stated as Phase 2 additions (namely the pedestrian bridge), and the new renders look a little more realistic as far as build-ability, but the actual structures don't look hugely different. Definitely don't see the massive step back in design that others do. The interior shots actually look nicer, in my opinion. And I think that one isometric view you're seeing posted a lot is kind of an unflattering angle. Roof still looks "flowy" from the interior shots.
January:
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August:
(http://jacksonville.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/slideshows-wide/d3.jpg)
January:
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August:
(http://jacksonville.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/slideshows-wide/d1.jpg)
January:
(https://cdn2.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/5976239/Jax_rendering_0001_Jags-Amp-Renderings2B.0.jpg)
August:
(http://jacksonville.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/slideshows-wide/d2.jpg)
January:
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August:
(http://jacksonville.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/slideshows-wide/d4.jpg)
(http://jacksonville.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/slideshows-wide/d5.jpg)
Iguana would love to build/manage a hotel next to the field, but the city has to pay to clean up the property first. Its a hazmat zone.
What? you don't see a difference, look at night rendering for Jan, totally different now and way scaled down
Quote from: spuwho on August 19, 2016, 04:37:16 PM
Iguana would love to build/manage a hotel next to the field, but the city has to pay to clean up the property first. Its a hazmat zone.
Or they can buy the Hyatt. COJ saves on shipyards cleanup, Hyatt's owner gets to parachute from a bad investment and Iguana gets their hotel without flooding the DT market with a few extra hundred hotel rooms.
Or take and finish Berkman II as a hotel. That would be like Christmas in July for COJ, Jax's skyline and Berkman's owner.
SMH
Honestly.
Quote from: Keith-N-Jax on August 19, 2016, 04:40:52 PM
What? you don't see a difference, look at night rendering for Jan, totally different now and way scaled down
It's a slightly different angle, and yes, the roof is smaller, more structural, and less tarp-on-pipe-cleaners, but a lot of the difference you see in those two night shots was always scheduled to be part of Phase 2 of the development (the pedestrian bridge and plaza in particular). Removing Phase 2, not sure if the differences would be that noticeable without a helicopter.
A long way from the original renderings:
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Cities/Jacksonville/Development/Urban-Project-Renderings/i-7kFF3Zw/0/L/Ampitheater-renderings-8-jpg-L-L.jpg)
Hopefully, no more value engineering or update announcements. I'm afraid the next design will resemble a church gym on steriods. ;D
(http://www.molzencorbin.com/sites/default/files/styles/portfolio_pages/public/field/image/UNM-Indoor-Football-Practice-Facility-Exterior-.png)
Oh, and we forgot the most important question. Will there be an on-site Daily's Dash? You can never have too many places for a cup of coffee when you need some yum on the run.
Quote from: thelakelander on August 19, 2016, 05:24:06 PM
A long way from the original renderings:
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Cities/Jacksonville/Development/Urban-Project-Renderings/i-7kFF3Zw/0/L/Ampitheater-renderings-8-jpg-L-L.jpg)
Hopefully, no more value engineering or update announcements. I'm afraid the next design will resemble a church gym on steriods. ;D
(http://www.molzencorbin.com/sites/default/files/styles/portfolio_pages/public/field/image/UNM-Indoor-Football-Practice-Facility-Exterior-.png)
For the better, I'd argue. Originally renderings were totally disconnected from the stadium, with a closed off practice facility and a weird amphitheater that looked like it had no seats and was mostly lawn.
(http://media.cmgdigital.com/shared/lt/lt_cache/thumbnail/400/img/photos/2015/11/05/4e/c5/sports_complex_9.jpg)
Lamping and Populous went back to the drawing board and created an integrated open-air practice facility, an amphitheater with shared infrastructure modeled after Radio City Music Hall, and a bar overlooking Everbank Field. No universe where what we saw today isn't a massive leap forward from what we saw at first. Even if it's viewed as a step back from what we saw in January, we're still talking a genuine game changer for Jacksonville that will cost the city roughly 25% of what Veterans Memorial did and fill a void that's been discussed and debate since Delaney was in office.
It's a good day for the city. Daily's bought naming rights. Construction is on pace for a 9 month turnaround. Khan wants to use his clout to bring the NFL Draft to Jax. Renders look solid, and Lamping and Khan have a reputation of building with wow factor in mind.
Don't get the pessimism.
Has anyone seen Green Bay indoor practice field. I have. It is a barn just like a metal school gym. Plus it is not integrated into the facility. Most teams have "bubble type" buildings. Constructability always goes into every design. Just be glad it's integrated to the filed, Bud Zone and Terrace Suites. Unlimited possibilities for use.
Quote from: KenFSU on August 19, 2016, 05:50:16 PM
Don't get the pessimism.
Oh, I'm just having fun. I'm not losing any sleep or overconcerned about what that thing looks like. But I do need to know if a Daily's Dash is included. :D
There is so much space in the Flex field, you could easily use it for some meetings as well, especially with the amphitheater and Everbank attached. It does make sense for Khan and Jacksonville to have a hotel near the stadium.
Quote from: jaxjags on August 19, 2016, 05:51:09 PM
Has anyone seen Green Bay indoor practice field. I have. It is a barn just like a metal school gym. Plus it is not integrated into the facility. Most teams have "bubble type" buildings. Constructability always goes into every design. Just be glad it's integrated to the filed, Bud Zone and Terrace Suites. Unlimited possibilities for use.
that's fine...but do you understand that "we the taxpayers" paid for this? It is in our downtown and we should be demanding better!
Quote from: thelakelander on August 19, 2016, 04:50:13 PM
Or take and finish Berkman II as a hotel. That would be like Christmas in July for COJ, Jax's skyline and Berkman's owner.
That brings up a good point. Several Jags night games have used stock blimp footage of the city skyline by the network du jour.
If they update that footage for this year, they will have to do a digital job on the Berkman II.
They can't take a camera to Hemming Plaza to show nightlife, well, because the city refused to support night life. Besides, they might have to do a digital job on the Laura Trio there as well.
OK, so take a blimp out to Mayport, oh wait, they only have 2 frigates out there, nothing to see there either.
Ah I see, take a camera out to the Dames Point! Wait a minute, we will have to digitally remove the empty transfer yard for Jaxport.
I got it, show a boat going under the Acosta Bridge! Yes, um, wait, the lights for the Acosta are broken, so they can't see anything.
OK, OK, I am out of spots, send the blimp over to the Fuller Warren and show the world our traffic, road signs and creativity in original bridge design! It will make FDOT proud. As of 2016, road building is our biggest industry and we want everyone to know it.
On the positive side, at night you would not see the Trio or Berkman. Neither of them have power. From the air downtown would look fine.
If some street scenes are needed, they can show some spots like Five Points, San Marco Square, St. Johns Avenue or even Jax Beach.
After all, in Miami they dont show Miami Gardens. They flash to South Beach.
Quote from: tufsu1 on August 19, 2016, 09:48:18 PM
Quote from: jaxjags on August 19, 2016, 05:51:09 PM
Has anyone seen Green Bay indoor practice field. I have. It is a barn just like a metal school gym. Plus it is not integrated into the facility. Most teams have "bubble type" buildings. Constructability always goes into every design. Just be glad it's integrated to the filed, Bud Zone and Terrace Suites. Unlimited possibilities for use.
that's fine...but do you understand that "we the taxpayers" paid for this? It is in our downtown and we should be demanding better!
Wait...you're living out in a Jacksonville hotel?
It's a f*cking indoor practice facility. Chill out. It looks fine. If you wanted the city to spend another $20 million in our tax dollars so the thing looked like it was out of TomorrowLand, good for you. It is still an indoor practice facility.
^To be fair, the city is shelling out a substantial amount of money on this thing because it's supposed to be much more than a practice facility. Just saying...
The city got an amphitheater with some of the best amenities for an amphitheater in the country. The Jags got a practice facility.
Although, that practice facility is 94,000 square feet. That means it has more exhibition space than the Prime Osborn :o
The amount the city is spending, $45 million, is roughly equivalent to how much a high quality amphitheater costs. We seem to be getting that, plus a practice field, and stadium improvements, all of which the city owns.
The exterior design does seem to be... lacking. I wish there was more attempt to make it as aesthetically strong as the baseball park, for instance. But, we're getting a lot of bang for our buck. Much more than those big scoreboards, which cost the city roughly as much. Plus, we dodged the bullet of a plan to pay Khan to take the Shipyards from us and keep all tax revenues it generated to build the same uses now filling up this formerly empty flex lot. It's a big net gain.
QuoteThe city got an amphitheater with some of the best amenities for an amphitheater in the country. The Jags got a practice facility.
We also get a real shot at the NFL draft. Its like a mini-super bowl over the course of a week. The weather is still very nice in April in Jax.
Good morning. It's great to be back home for a game day even if it's a preseason game. And what better way to start a game day than to wade back into this particular thread, huh?
Quote from: ProjectMaximus on August 19, 2016, 11:50:36 PM
^To be fair, the city is shelling out a substantial amount of money on this thing because it's supposed to be much more than a practice facility. Just saying...
And it very obviously *is* much, much more than that.
By far. And what is it with people on here insisting we in Jacksonville, alone, must be slaves to the original renderings of construction projects?
I have to say, the bitch-and-moan crowd have not disappointed nor has their stunning lack of vision. I mean, tufsu1 wants to
demand! better. Seriously, how crazy is that take? Demand better, as if some citizens group or city council kaffeeklatsch operating (no doubt) as some sort of Politburo could have come remotely close to this.
Please.
And vicupstate, still waxing rhapsodic somewhere no doubt about the wonders of Greenville, SC, is -- honestly -- shaking his head. Keep honestly shaking that head, bwah. And give my regards to Governor Haley, won't you? But spuwho, I think, takes the bitch-and-moan cake this time around. Upon an announcement of Jacksonville creating something that is probably unique in all the world, let alone the South or the nation, a creativity that is sure to be duplicated elsewhere because of its --
wait for it! -- creative use of space and utilitarian integration of event possibilities, we get a nattering-nabob-of-negativism list that shows absolutely no love for Big Duval at all.
Tongue-in-cheek, spuwho? Hopefully so.
Special mention, however, has to go to ProjectMaximus.
"I am a fan of Khan and will roll with him til I have obvious reason to lose faith, but I would much rather him be the saviour of the Barnett Building and Laura Trio than some new stadium/convention district." Wowza. I had to re-read that jaw-dropping sentence just to be sure I didn't read it wrong. The Barnett Building and the Laura Trio over a new, fully formed entertainment district for the region that brings real after-hours life to downtown? Um . . . alrighty then.
And Ennis, we'll just have to archive this and see what the near future brings:
Interesting. The only way this happens is if he pays for it.
I definitely don't see the city coming up with the cash for a hotel or convention
center at Metropolitan Park. If he does, more power to him because it would
be a great example of putting his money where his mouth is on something
that typically is a money loser.
The
only way, did you say? We shall see about that.
Go Jaguars !!! DuvalTillWeDie !!!
In response to the people saying "quit your bitching". Don't get me wrong I'm happy that we're getting this and it's definitely better than what any other team has to offer. I didn't expect to original renderings to happen, but lamping did say about a month ago that the previous renderings were pretty much unchanged when compared to what will be built. Are they similar? Yes. Are they pretty much unchanged? No.
Again, I'm happy and I'm sure they'll look great in person. Khan hasn't disappointed us yet with any of his projects.
QuoteAnd vicupstate, still waxing rhapsodic somewhere no doubt about the wonders of Greenville, SC, is -- honestly -- shaking his head. Keep honestly shaking that head, bwah. And give my regards to Governor Haley, won't you?
Gov. Haley will be looking for work soon, you are more than welcome to have her.
I have a hard time understanding why a city that is facing a pension crisis that is debilitating to any other level of (non-NFL) progress, is so willing to fork over enormous treasure for a gold-plated sports venue. A venue it will derive no revenue from, nor have any control over. One in which clearly a bait and switch has occurred on the design. The time frame to build this thing is extremely tight yet they chose to not complete the design (assuming it actually is complete now) until after the city had committed the money and gotten the whole town 'bought-in' on fantasy architecture. Admittedly, after the Shipyards dream that crashed into reality, this would be expected I suppose.
Just as the Stadium/Arena/Baseball park haven't brought revitalization to the Northbank. Don't kid yourselves that this will either. Any hotel that would be built would require huge incentives and cannibalize business from other DT hotels as much as bring in additional business. Anyone that believes a convention center is coming would be a good prospective buyer for the Brooklyn Bridge.
Too many people fall prey to thinking that the City is choosing to use money that could be used for anything else to fund stadium improvements.
The money used to fund this as well as other stadium improvements comes from the tourist/bed tax. By law, a portion of that revenue is dedicated to being spent in the stadium/entertainment district. I am sure there are other improvements in the area those funds could be used for but again, those funds can only be used in that district. This fact is further solidified in that the tax allocation is part of the lease with the Jaguars.
Arguably, an improved stadium and amphitheater will bring additional tourists to additional events generating even more tax to fund these expenditures. These improvements by themselves dont push development but more activity downtown generally does.
Quote from: RattlerGator on August 20, 2016, 08:16:04 AM
Special mention, however, has to go to ProjectMaximus. "I am a fan of Khan and will roll with him til I have obvious reason to lose faith, but I would much rather him be the saviour of the Barnett Building and Laura Trio than some new stadium/convention district." Wowza. I had to re-read that jaw-dropping sentence just to be sure I didn't read it wrong. The Barnett Building and the Laura Trio over a new, fully formed entertainment district for the region that brings real after-hours life to downtown? Um . . . alrighty then.
Wow! Sometimes the loudest talker is the most uninformed. I read your comment more than twice and can't stop shaking my head. If you'd sincerely like to engage then someone might be willing to explain, but given your history I feel like you're not actually seeking a thoughtful reply.
Stephen, I think the point icarus is making (in part) to vicupstate (and perhaps others) is why consistently toss in strawman arguments? Arguments like the pension crisis. What does the pension crisis have to do with the tourist tax money? The answer is nothing. The tourist tax money can't help solve that problem so quit with that nonsense.
And ProjectMaximus, that's not even a sophomore-level attempt at a dodge of a very clear juxtaposition of *your* stated preference for the Barnett/LauraStreetTrio over what an overwhelming majority of people would surely prefer. You may not like that, but dems be da faks of da matter.
Go find yourself a billionaire that wants to contribute millions of his or her personal money into those downtown buildings and I'm sure the city would look favorably on bestowing some incentive money for your stated preference, too.
And while I'm at it . . .
John Oehser is a writer for the Jaguars and he properly captured, in part, what all of this means:
http://www.jaguars.com/news/article-Editorial/View-from-the-O-Zone-A-future-altering-vision/b48353d3-391c-43a5-85c8-8d29e3239bb7
The world's largest video boards ...
The state-of-the-art locker rooms ...
The pools and cabanas on the north end zone deck ...
The state-of-the-art training facility ...
The US Assure Clubs ...
That's five ellipse-worthy renovations/re-imaginations in less than five years as owner, and when you watched the video Friday with the renderings for the flex field and the amphitheater ...
Well, when you watched that, you got the idea that all of the renovations in the last five years might somehow seem like a prelude come next May.
That's the target date for amphitheater/flex field completion, and if the mind reels at the thought of such a project going from shovel to ribbon-cutting in nine months, the mind equally reels at what might still be to come.
"What's next for Jacksonville? Well, that's up to all of us here today," Khan told those gathered in the construction space just south of the 'Bank Friday morning. "The greatest cities in America don't ask for permission to move forward. They dream big, make decisions and take action.
"Every city has potential. It's a matter of recognizing it and making the most of it. Jacksonville as we see today now is making the most of its potential. I along with a lot of other people just love it."[/b]
For you nattering nabobs of negativism, have y'all honestly not figured out the so-called "flex field" is a whopping 94,000 square-foot, convention-center-quality and column-free Exhibit Hall? Seriously? That structure, alone, is a phenomenal addition to downtown Jacksonville.
Has it also not dawned upon y'all that the world-class dressing rooms and prep spaces for the amphitheater have dual applicability to the Exhibit Hall / Flex Field? And, oh by the way, the space also brings into simultaneous play the unique zones of EverBank Field itself? The *patios* for the US Assure clubs on each side of the stadium, alone, are 18,780 square feet of available space to be creatively utilized. I don't know how many square feet of covered club space each US Assure club has but the Jaguars claimed the entire club seat renovations, including the patios, covered 135,000 square feet.
It might help some of the doubters if you looked at all of the individual spaces at the EverBank Field Complex not from a sports stadium viewpoint but from a convention center perspective. Because that is the potential that must be comprehended for you to begin to assess what has been done and *is* potentially being done. Shad Khan has probably ALREADY pitched that vision to some developers and probably already has some interest in building that convention center hotel he rather deftly mentioned during his press availability. Presuming that sales tax for pensions initiative in the City gets approved, look for a convention center hotel announcement within the next year. It might even happen if Mayor Curry's pension solution is voted down.
The bed tax money going into this project is indeed set aside only for use in the stadium district by city law. Has been for years. If folks don't like it, lobby City Council to change the law, but even then its use is still limited to what bed tax can be used for.
It seems to me that we can either complain that the project costs too much of city money, or that the design is too cheap, but not both. The city's only paying half; this is a lot of work (all owned by the City) for $45 million.
Quote from: stephendare on August 20, 2016, 01:27:21 PM
Quote from: icarus on August 20, 2016, 12:56:11 PM
Too many people fall prey to thinking that the City is choosing to use money that could be used for anything else to fund stadium improvements.
The money used to fund this as well as other stadium improvements comes from the tourist/bed tax. By law, a portion of that revenue is dedicated to being spent in the stadium/entertainment district. I am sure there are other improvements in the area those funds could be used for but again, those funds can only be used in that district. This fact is further solidified in that the tax allocation is part of the lease with the Jaguars.
Arguably, an improved stadium and amphitheater will bring additional tourists to additional events generating even more tax to fund these expenditures. These improvements by themselves dont push development but more activity downtown generally does.
This is completely false, icarus. It keeps getting repeated by fans of the jags, but in reality its from a tourism tax whose wording is so broad that it could actually be used to fund anything from a beaches leap frog competition to more cops.
This tax is NOT set aside for specifically stadium improvements.
Stephen, you are right that it is not exclusively for stadium improvements, but you are very wrong on saying "it could actually be used to fund anything from a beaches leap frog competition to more cops." 1/3 of the 6% bed tax is used for tourism promotion (mostly Visit Jacksonville), another 1/3 is used to continue to pay off the bonds for the initial construction of the stadium, and the last 1/3 is for the Sports Complex Capital Maintenance Enterprise Fund. That fund is "to be used exclusively to construct, extend, enlarge, remodel, repair, improve, or maintain the sports complex." The sports complex is defined as "the arena, baseball stadium, convention center, football stadium, performing arts center and equestrian center." (Ordinance 2009-817-E). There is nothing broad about that wording. This project is specifically what the tax is designed to be used for. The amphitheater will absolutely draw tourists from surrounding counties, which is the goal of the bed tax by the way, and depending on how big the acts or events to be held there are, will certainly draw tourists from around the country. I don't get why we are even discussing money any more for this project. We should just be glad they actually broke ground on it, unlike a lot of other proposed projects in this city.
Quote from: Jax-Nole on August 20, 2016, 03:43:31 PM
I don't get why we are even discussing money any more for this project. We should just be glad they actually broke ground on it, unlike a lot of other proposed projects in this city.
My original post was in response to Vicupstate saying he wasn't sure why a pension strapped City was spending money on this. Whenever a topic in this forum relates to money, budget or just general finances, commentors like to parade out the utopian Jaguars Stadium and how we waste so much money on it that could be used for anything and everything else.
My point, previously, and in this thread is that the bed tax funds are not general revenue money that can be used for anything other than in the sports complex. Stephen and I have argued over this point before as it related to the scoreboards and I even posted links to the City's lease agreements with the Jaguars and amendments thereto which contractually put further restrictions on what these tax funds can be used for.( Providing another in depth lecture on law and finance to Stephen was not my point.) No, the City has real legal and contractual limitations on what this money can be used for. Personally, I feel quite strongly that this particular use is better than the scoreboards although I have no interest in debating that.
RattlerGator, yes, my point was specifically that I get tired of the strawman argument ... but what about the money from the stadium ...
And, as to the Laura Street Trio and other downtown wish lists, I think the better and more salient point is the CRA funds:
https://www.municode.com/library/fl/jacksonville/codes/code_of_ordinances?nodeId=TITVADPE_CH111SPRETRAC_PT6ECCODE_S111.640SOCRTRFUNODOCRTRFUDOINAU
The Downtown Investment Authority, led by Aundra Wallace, allowed $4.6 million of available development money to sunset by inaction and be therefore available as general funds to the City Council. In case you dont understand that, we had $4.6 million for downtown development projects and we didn't use it.
Quote from: FlaBoy on August 20, 2016, 12:21:42 AM
The city got an amphitheater with some of the best amenities for an amphitheater in the country. The Jags got a practice facility.
really....who says?
Quote from: Jax-Nole on August 20, 2016, 03:43:31 PM
Quote from: stephendare on August 20, 2016, 01:27:21 PM
Quote from: icarus on August 20, 2016, 12:56:11 PM
Too many people fall prey to thinking that the City is choosing to use money that could be used for anything else to fund stadium improvements.
The money used to fund this as well as other stadium improvements comes from the tourist/bed tax. By law, a portion of that revenue is dedicated to being spent in the stadium/entertainment district. I am sure there are other improvements in the area those funds could be used for but again, those funds can only be used in that district. This fact is further solidified in that the tax allocation is part of the lease with the Jaguars.
Arguably, an improved stadium and amphitheater will bring additional tourists to additional events generating even more tax to fund these expenditures. These improvements by themselves dont push development but more activity downtown generally does.
This is completely false, icarus. It keeps getting repeated by fans of the jags, but in reality its from a tourism tax whose wording is so broad that it could actually be used to fund anything from a beaches leap frog competition to more cops.
This tax is NOT set aside for specifically stadium improvements.
Stephen, you are right that it is not exclusively for stadium improvements, but you are very wrong on saying "it could actually be used to fund anything from a beaches leap frog competition to more cops." 1/3 of the 6% bed tax is used for tourism promotion (mostly Visit Jacksonville), another 1/3 is used to continue to pay off the bonds for the initial construction of the stadium, and the last 1/3 is for the Sports Complex Capital Maintenance Enterprise Fund. That fund is "to be used exclusively to construct, extend, enlarge, remodel, repair, improve, or maintain the sports complex." The sports complex is defined as "the arena, baseball stadium, convention center, football stadium, performing arts center and equestrian center." (Ordinance 2009-817-E). There is nothing broad about that wording. This project is specifically what the tax is designed to be used for. The amphitheater will absolutely draw tourists from surrounding counties, which is the goal of the bed tax by the way, and depending on how big the acts or events to be held there are, will certainly draw tourists from around the country. I don't get why we are even discussing money any more for this project. We should just be glad they actually broke ground on it, unlike a lot of other proposed projects in this city.
This is correct, but it has only been in the recent past that this became true, and only because of the Jags had it changed.
These taxes were originally meant for ANY tourist related function including not only capital projects but also marketing and promotion. There were no built-in stipulations on what percentage was spent on any project, function or 'district'. When the Jags came one third went to build the stadium. Since then ANOTHER third has been legislated to be dedicated to the 'sports district'. That was done only a few years ago and at the behest of the Jags.
The final one third is now, and always has been, dedicated to tourism marketing. Obviously it is paltry sum given the amounts spent on similar size metros and by the fact the city is virtually devoid of a common image or reputation.
I love these debates about tax monies and how they are spent. It always brings me to my favorite subject : Jacksonville is on of the least taxed city in the US for it's size. If we are willing to be taxed more I'm sure we can have Barnett Bank, The Trio, The Shipyards, an iconic DT park, a real "street car" system, etc. But no one in leadership has the where with all to propose and fight for tax increases. And the taxes will NOT decrease business expansion. The Amazons, banks, etc. look at that but it is not the sole criteria we are judged on. It is true that the cities that have resources don't ask. They dream and do.
Has anyone heard what will happen to the current practice fields once the flex field is finished? Will they continue to be maintained as practice fields, or can we expect a redevelopment proposal to be a part of the Jaguars State of the Franchise address after the season ends?
They are going to stay practice fields. The flex field is only one field, so they still need all the fields. Plus, the roof likely will make kickoff and punt practicing very difficult.
The main goal of the flex field was to have a place to practice when the weather turns. I remember the jags had the most missed practices of any team in the NFL a few years ago. It was one of the reasons Khan wanted it.
I'd imagine at some point the current practice fields will be rethought. I could see the Armada potentially looking to take over one of those fields. It'd be a perfect spot for a soccer stadium / field for fans to watch the jags summer practices, etc.
Quote from: jaxjaguar on August 21, 2016, 02:48:21 PM
I'd imagine at some point the current practice fields will be rethought. I could see the Armada potentially looking to take over one of those fields. It'd be a perfect spot for a soccer stadium / field for fans to watch the jags summer practices, etc.
A smaller (10/15k-ish) dedicated soccer stadium with the Armada as it's main tenant would be the most ideal in my opinion. Also, I know a lot of you guys may not like it, but, another parking garage along with a smaller surface lot footprint would probably be ideal as well.
So, vicupstate is at least honest enough to give up the ghost. More than I can say for stephendare, still parading around as a know-it-all when in fact he has lost a political battle (I can't imagine why, can you?) and wants to pout about it while blatantly lying about the law and what it permits *and* constrains. Rather than discussing the clearly progressive utilitarian addition the city and the Jaguars have built into our sports complex, of course.
Yes, stephendare, they're morphing it unassailably into something much more than a sports complex. Deal with it.
But MetroJacksonville.com can't compliment the city or the organization for that. No, we must be showered with -- at worst -- some doctrinaire (dare I say, FANATIC) comment tripe from the operators of a board that should be (at the very least) neutral about this incredible addition to downtown Jacksonville or -- at best -- we are enlightened (not) with some snarky take that borders on dismissive.
No curiosity whatsoever about the possibilities. No benefit of the doubt given to the city or the Jaguars, if for nothing more than the sake of analysis. Very telling.
The Jaguars were very smart to push for that change in the local code (all above-board and legal) and the city was very smart to agree. Most of the city residents, stephendare, very clearly agree with this. Not that it matters to our resident totalitarian who truly wishes he could dictate to the city how it must do X, Y or Z. After all, you're Mr. OohHeIsSoSmuglySuperSmartWhileHeYawns, dontcha know? So . . . so . . . cosmopolitan! Maybe just maybe if I lived within the city limits I'd be able to bask in your oh-so-marvelous glow. Maybe.
And jaxjags wants more, more, more taxes. Good luck with that, jaxjags; it's definitely not a popular take but I'm sure you know that already. There is very definitely dreaming and doing going on in Big Duval. It may not be sufficient for you, but it is happening. And this re-imagining of the sports complex is Exhibit A. Many municipalities are going to envy what the City of Jacksonville will have accomplished with this effort.
You know, while pining for the BarnettBankBldg/LauraTrio, etc., it shouldn't be so difficult for MetroJacksonville.com to at least acknowledge that much.
Quote from: RattlerGator on August 22, 2016, 06:48:58 AM
So, vicupstate is at least honest enough to give up the ghost. More than I can say for stephendare, still parading around as a know-it-all when in fact he has lost a political battle (I can't imagine why, can you?) and wants to pout about it while blatantly lying about the law and what it permits *and* constrains. Rather than discussing the clearly progressive utilitarian addition the city and the Jaguars have built into our sports complex, of course.
Yes, stephendare, they're morphing it unassailably into something much more than a sports complex. Deal with it.
But MetroJacksonville.com can't compliment the city or the organization for that. No, we must be showered with -- at worst -- some doctrinaire (dare I say, FANATIC) comment tripe from the operators of a board that should be (at the very least) neutral about this incredible addition to downtown Jacksonville or -- at best -- we are enlightened (not) with some snarky take that borders on dismissive.
No curiosity whatsoever about the possibilities. No benefit of the doubt given to the city or the Jaguars, if for nothing more than the sake of analysis. Very telling.
The Jaguars were very smart to push for that change in the local code (all above-board and legal) and the city was very smart to agree. Most of the city residents, stephendare, very clearly agree with this. Not that it matters to our resident totalitarian who truly wishes he could dictate to the city how it must do X, Y or Z. After all, you're Mr. OohHeIsSoSmuglySuperSmartWhileHeYawns, dontcha know? So . . . so . . . cosmopolitan! Maybe just maybe if I lived within the city limits I'd be able to bask in your oh-so-marvelous glow. Maybe.
And jaxjags wants more, more, more taxes. Good luck with that, jaxjags; it's definitely not a popular take but I'm sure you know that already. There is very definitely dreaming and doing going on in Big Duval. It may not be sufficient for you, but it is happening. And this re-imagining of the sports complex is Exhibit A. Many municipalities are going to envy what the City of Jacksonville will have accomplished with this effort.
You know, while pining for the BarnettBankBldg/LauraTrio, etc., it shouldn't be so difficult for MetroJacksonville.com to at least acknowledge that much.
RG,
I totally get what you are saying and understand your POV.
Being that we are not NYC or Chicago, certain civic investments are sometimes required to maintain public assets that benefit the few more than others.
Stephen, being a student of history, has read up on the many examples of internal self advantaged arrangements people have come to in COJ and as you will see, has been a consistent opponent of public investment in things that have very narrow interpretations of public value.
In his thoughts, spending civic dollars maintaining an asset (Jaguars) owned by a billionnaire and used by several millionaires runs counter to healthy public policy.
I too understand that position, and while I also agree with components of his argument, we differ on scope.
I cant speak for Stephen, but if the Jaguars or Mr Khan spent $20M on civic assets that had no direct financial benefit to them, his posture might be different.
For example, setting up a foundation for the care of our historic parks, Hemming, Hogans Creek/Klutho greenway.
However, the Jaguars are focused on long term revenue streams in what is considered a small market for the NFL. Therefore they have to place their money where it has the most benefit to them and have asked the city to partner with them. So far I have seen a progression of good will, but I am not blind and know that the good will is not permanent and is predicated on our willingness to keep up in the NFL arms race.
Regarding point #2: what would be the advantage for Khan's folks to schedule crappy shows there? Remember, though the taxpayers invested $45 million, so did he. It's to his advantage to fill the thing and keep pumping talent through there.
The amphitheater is going to seat 5,500 people so anyone who thinks Beyoncé is performing there shouldn't be calling Ticketmaster just yet. The St. Augustine Amphitheater seats 4,000 - so the performs will likely be on the same level of the acts that perform at that venue.
It was suggested in an earlier thread that there are dozens, if not hundreds, of acts that skip North Florida altogether because they only play 5000 seat outdoor venues.
Quote from: Murder_me_Rachel on August 22, 2016, 08:30:21 AM
But, I am skeptical that its programming will be dominated by crappy country musicians and third-tier, washed up has-beens. I hope I am wrong, but remain doubtful.
Zero reason to be doubtful.
A 5,500 seat amphitheater is the perfect sweet spot these days for awesome artists too big for the Florida Theater or Times-Union Center, but too small to sell out an arena.
I certainly wouldn't expect third-tier, washed up has beens, or crappy country musicians to dominate the bill. Think Lumineers, Fifth Harmony, Alabama Shakes, Walk the Moon, Counting Crows, Third Eye Blind, Chvrches, Frank Ocean, Aretha Franklin, Josh Groban, Dashboard Confessional, Bob Dylan, Willie Nelson, Meagen Trainer, Smashing Pumpkins, Florence + The Machine, Chicago, Skrillex, Sarah McLachlan, etc. These are the types of artists who tour the ~5,000 seat venue circuit, and there's zero reason to believe promoters won't be chomping at the bit to tap into a market of 1.3 million that has never had an appropriate sized venue for such acts.
Anyone know when the original stadium paydown from the 1/3 bed tax is retired ? If I remember, that was taken out in 1995 ?? so We are over 20 years on that debt.
There's a BIG difference between a 5,500-seat amphitheater in Jacksonville and a 4,000-seat amphitheater in St. Augustine.
1.) 37% increase in seating capacity.
2.) A 300% increase in population (St. Johns vs. Duval). They might be nearby, but two hours round-trip is a huge barrier for most.
3.) An attached venue that draws 60,000 people seven Sundays (hello, Friday and Saturday night), plus FL/GA and the Gator Bowl.
4.) An organization with the means and incentive to attract and pay top talent. (Jaguars vs. SJC Parks & Rec)
5.) It's accessible to the entire region vs. easily accessible to the Anastasia campgrounds.
It's going to be night and day, y'all.
Quote from: KenFSU on August 22, 2016, 11:17:45 AM
Quote from: Murder_me_Rachel on August 22, 2016, 08:30:21 AM
But, I am skeptical that its programming will be dominated by crappy country musicians and third-tier, washed up has-beens. I hope I am wrong, but remain doubtful.
Zero reason to be doubtful.
A 5,500 seat amphitheater is the perfect sweet spot these days for awesome artists too big for the Florida Theater or Times-Union Center, but too small to sell out an arena.
I certainly wouldn't expect third-tier, washed up has beens, or crappy country musicians to dominate the bill. Think Lumineers, Fifth Harmony, Alabama Shakes, Walk the Moon, Counting Crows, Third Eye Blind, Chvrches, Frank Ocean, Aretha Franklin, Josh Groban, Dashboard Confessional, Bob Dylan, Willie Nelson, Meagen Trainer, Smashing Pumpkins, Florence + The Machine, Chicago, Skrillex, Sarah McLachlan, etc. These are the types of artists who tour the ~5,000 seat venue circuit, and there's zero reason to believe promoters won't be chomping at the bit to tap into a market of 1.3 million that has never had an appropriate sized venue for such acts.
Correct. Venues of this size have been the trend for many touring acts for years. We miss out because we have a lack of this type of venue in our metro area. Many if not most of the acts in this category we do get are playing out at the St. Augustine Amphitheater (which is 45 miles away) or Ponte Vedra Concert Hall (out in the middle of nowhere). So a lot of people who'd otherwise go to those concerts miss out because of the distance. Unless they've royally miscalculated the amphitheater design or get complacent with their bookings, I'd expect to see it attract good shows and good crowds. That in and of itself would be a positive change for the city.
Quote from: JBTripper on August 22, 2016, 11:29:20 AM
There's a BIG difference between a 5,500-seat amphitheater in Jacksonville and a 4,000-seat amphitheater in St. Augustine.
1.) 37% increase in seating capacity.
2.) A 300% increase in population (St. Johns vs. Duval). They might be nearby, but two hours round-trip is a huge barrier for most.
3.) An attached venue that draws 60,000 people seven Sundays (hello, Friday and Saturday night), plus FL/GA and the Gator Bowl.
4.) An organization with the means and incentive to attract and pay top talent. (Jaguars vs. SJC Parks & Rec)
5.) It's accessible to the entire region vs. easily accessible to the Anastasia campgrounds.
It's going to be night and day, y'all.
I am already thinking of two black gospel festivals there annually.
Rockville
Freedom Fest
Some throwback rock festivals from the 80's (think the Journey/Boston/Styx era)
Political rally
NFL Draft Day
Mayoral Inaugurations
Just got an email that suggested that they host a Marvel movie premiere here. Bring out the actors, show the movie and have autograph session in the stadium.
Out of box thinking at least.
Quote from: Tacachale on August 22, 2016, 11:59:17 AM
Venues of this size have been the trend for many touring acts for years. We miss out because we have a lack of this type of venue in our metro area. Many if not most of the acts in this category we do get are playing out at the St. Augustine Amphitheater (which is 45 miles away) or Ponte Vedra Concert Hall (out in the middle of nowhere). So a lot of people who'd otherwise go to those concerts miss out because of the distance.
I don't make it to many local concerts, but if a lot of these acts really wanted to come to Jax, wouldn't Veterans Memorial be an acceptable alternative, even if they just filled the lower sections? Or is the outdoor amphitheater component a make-or-break factor in most cases?
Quote from: Jomar on August 22, 2016, 12:09:46 PM
Quote from: Tacachale on August 22, 2016, 11:59:17 AM
Venues of this size have been the trend for many touring acts for years. We miss out because we have a lack of this type of venue in our metro area. Many if not most of the acts in this category we do get are playing out at the St. Augustine Amphitheater (which is 45 miles away) or Ponte Vedra Concert Hall (out in the middle of nowhere). So a lot of people who'd otherwise go to those concerts miss out because of the distance.
I don't make it to many local concerts, but if a lot of these acts really wanted to come to Jax, wouldn't Veterans Memorial be an acceptable alternative, even if they just filled the lower sections? Or is the outdoor amphitheater component a make-or-break factor in most cases?
Simply too cost prohibitive, not to mention risky. The difference in cost in renting, rigging, powering, and staffing a 15,000 seat indoor arena and 5,500 seat amphitheater is night and day. I'd guess $20k rental fee alone for an arena versus maybe $7500 for an ampitheater. And that's paid up front, whether the event sells out or draws 10 fans.
Quote from: Murder_me_Rachel on August 22, 2016, 12:30:58 PM
Quote from: KenFSU on August 22, 2016, 11:17:45 AM
Quote from: Murder_me_Rachel on August 22, 2016, 08:30:21 AM
But, I am skeptical that its programming will be dominated by crappy country musicians and third-tier, washed up has-beens. I hope I am wrong, but remain doubtful.
Zero reason to be doubtful.
A 5,500 seat amphitheater is the perfect sweet spot these days for awesome artists too big for the Florida Theater or Times-Union Center, but too small to sell out an arena.
I certainly wouldn't expect third-tier, washed up has beens, or crappy country musicians to dominate the bill. Think Lumineers, Fifth Harmony, Alabama Shakes, Walk the Moon, Counting Crows, Third Eye Blind, Chvrches, Frank Ocean, Aretha Franklin, Josh Groban, Dashboard Confessional, Bob Dylan, Willie Nelson, Meagen Trainer, Smashing Pumpkins, Florence + The Machine, Chicago, Skrillex, Sarah McLachlan, etc. These are the types of artists who tour the ~5,000 seat venue circuit, and there's zero reason to believe promoters won't be chomping at the bit to tap into a market of 1.3 million that has never had an appropriate sized venue for such acts.
I don't disagree there is a market out there, but, from what i have seen of the talent promoters and bookers in Jacksonville, I have little faith they will come through on acts like the above. I'd love to be proved wrong.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't SMG in charge of booking talent for our public venues? I'm not sure what compensation they get, if any, regardless of the talent or amount of shows hosted v/s doing nothing and enjoying their contractual fees.
With Khan having a bottom line incentive to fill seats at the venue, I would believe that he'd be more inclined to bring in acts that people want to see.
^One thing's for sure, I guarantee you that Khan and Lamping will put on a very, very special event to open the new facilities.
Quote from: Jomar on August 22, 2016, 12:09:46 PM
Quote from: Tacachale on August 22, 2016, 11:59:17 AM
Venues of this size have been the trend for many touring acts for years. We miss out because we have a lack of this type of venue in our metro area. Many if not most of the acts in this category we do get are playing out at the St. Augustine Amphitheater (which is 45 miles away) or Ponte Vedra Concert Hall (out in the middle of nowhere). So a lot of people who'd otherwise go to those concerts miss out because of the distance.
I don't make it to many local concerts, but if a lot of these acts really wanted to come to Jax, wouldn't Veterans Memorial be an acceptable alternative, even if they just filled the lower sections? Or is the outdoor amphitheater component a make-or-break factor in most cases?
Besides the costs (previously mentioned), there's also just the image part of it. When you play in front of a 5000 person crowd in a facility designed to hold 15,000, it looks cavernous and the show isn't amazing. If the facility and acoustics are designed for 5000 and there is 5000 people there, it's much different.
Quote from: vicupstate on August 21, 2016, 08:12:06 AM
Quote from: Jax-Nole on August 20, 2016, 03:43:31 PM
Quote from: stephendare on August 20, 2016, 01:27:21 PM
Quote from: icarus on August 20, 2016, 12:56:11 PM
Too many people fall prey to thinking that the City is choosing to use money that could be used for anything else to fund stadium improvements.
The money used to fund this as well as other stadium improvements comes from the tourist/bed tax. By law, a portion of that revenue is dedicated to being spent in the stadium/entertainment district. I am sure there are other improvements in the area those funds could be used for but again, those funds can only be used in that district. This fact is further solidified in that the tax allocation is part of the lease with the Jaguars.
Arguably, an improved stadium and amphitheater will bring additional tourists to additional events generating even more tax to fund these expenditures. These improvements by themselves dont push development but more activity downtown generally does.
This is completely false, icarus. It keeps getting repeated by fans of the jags, but in reality its from a tourism tax whose wording is so broad that it could actually be used to fund anything from a beaches leap frog competition to more cops.
This tax is NOT set aside for specifically stadium improvements.
Stephen, you are right that it is not exclusively for stadium improvements, but you are very wrong on saying "it could actually be used to fund anything from a beaches leap frog competition to more cops." 1/3 of the 6% bed tax is used for tourism promotion (mostly Visit Jacksonville), another 1/3 is used to continue to pay off the bonds for the initial construction of the stadium, and the last 1/3 is for the Sports Complex Capital Maintenance Enterprise Fund. That fund is "to be used exclusively to construct, extend, enlarge, remodel, repair, improve, or maintain the sports complex." The sports complex is defined as "the arena, baseball stadium, convention center, football stadium, performing arts center and equestrian center." (Ordinance 2009-817-E). There is nothing broad about that wording. This project is specifically what the tax is designed to be used for. The amphitheater will absolutely draw tourists from surrounding counties, which is the goal of the bed tax by the way, and depending on how big the acts or events to be held there are, will certainly draw tourists from around the country. I don't get why we are even discussing money any more for this project. We should just be glad they actually broke ground on it, unlike a lot of other proposed projects in this city.
This is correct, but it has only been in the recent past that this became true, and only because of the Jags had it changed.
These taxes were originally meant for ANY tourist related function including not only capital projects but also marketing and promotion. There were no built-in stipulations on what percentage was spent on any project, function or 'district'. When the Jags came one third went to build the stadium. Since then ANOTHER third has been legislated to be dedicated to the 'sports district'. That was done only a few years ago and at the behest of the Jags.
The final one third is now, and always has been, dedicated to tourism marketing. Obviously it is paltry sum given the amounts spent on similar size metros and by the fact the city is virtually devoid of a common image or reputation.
Quotethe last 1/3 is for the Sports Complex Capital Maintenance Enterprise Fund. That fund is "to be used exclusively to construct, extend, enlarge, remodel, repair, improve, or maintain the sports complex." The sports complex is defined as "the arena, baseball stadium, convention center, football stadium, performing arts center and equestrian center." (Ordinance 2009-817-E).
I got the answer to my question of WHEN the change was made to dedicate a
SECOND third of the Bed Tax to the 'Stadium District'. It was
2009. Not that long ago, it could have been spent anywhere in Duval County (840 Square miles) but now must be spent within one square mile. The same square mile that probably $500-1100 mm has already been invested in the last 20 years.
I acknowledge that Tourism funds can't be spent directly on the Pension, but any city that is in the deep financial hole that JAX is in, should strongly analyse how it is spending money on anything, let alone $45mm. Detroit declared bankruptcy yet had owned one of the finest collections of art anywhere in the world. I'm sure the money spent on that art was from 'dedicated' sources, but that doesn't change the irony one bit.
The very same funds being used to build this new facility, are the same funds that were available for a Convention Center pre-2009. They are also the same funds used to MAINTAIN the existing facilities. That expense will NOW be paid out of GENERAL FUNDS. GENERAL FUNDS, btw are what are used to pay the PENSION.
Someone asked when the FIRST third of Bed Tax used to build the initial stadium will be freed up from those bonds. That is an excellent question. I have NO doubt that Mr. Shad knows the answer and has designs to keep in dedicated to the 'Stadium District'
MAYBE IF YOU SHOUT A FEW MORE TIMES THEY'LL UNDERSTAND.
Come on, Tacachale, don't encourage MMR!
spuwho, that's a beautiful 7:54 a.m. write-up this morning but I've fully comprehended where stephendare is coming from. He's been very clear about that. The problem isn't his personal opinion. The problem is the phenomenal disrespect he shows not only for the wishes of the people in this community (they don't happen to share his opinion, of that there can be no doubt) but his equally phenomenal disrespect for a premier business in this community. One of only 32 in the nation.
I don't give a damn if the NFL or Shad Khan isn't his cup of tea, but spare me this juvenile nonsense of prancing about in the comments as if his subjective opinion is something other than precisely that, extremely subjective.
At the risk of further agitating the board censors I refer back to one particular comment in this thread, and then hope to leave the stephendare sub-discussion alone:
QuoteIf you actually lived in Jacksonville, you would probably be better acquainted with our taxes and processes.
Well, spuwho, given the comments that followed it appears stephendare needs to become better acquainted with the taxes and processes of the City of Jacksonville.
QuoteAnd Jacksonville doesn't need a 'savior'.
Hmmmmm. Who, spuwho, other than stephendare himself said anything about a savior?
QuoteIt needs an activated business community and empowered citizens.
How, spuwho, have the Jaguars and Shad Khan not helped to activate our business community or strived to encourage entrepreneurship in our citizens?
QuoteThats the only formula that works anyways.
spuwho, can't you hear the therapist right now? "Hello Mr. OohHeIsSoSmuglySuperSmartWhileHeYawns, come right on in."
That's Casting Aspersions 101, spuwho, and straight out of the stephendare playbook. The next two sentences, however, are where stephendare IMHO really takes the cake.
QuoteYour posts, frankly, have the quality of a fanatic, and its hard to take them seriously.
Well, spuwho, I bet my posts are hard to take seriously when one doesn't have a legitimate argument to counter them so one is reduced to -- yeah, wait for it! -- casting aspersions while engaging in some classic projection activity. Fanatic, did he say? Pot, meet kettle.
QuoteEspecially since they are so aggressive and attack doglike to anyone who criticizes a billion dollar sports tax parasite like the NFL.
So now, spuwho, are you casually following the insult? Black Boy RG is an animal and Colored Boy owner of the NFL franchise SK is a parasite. That is, I should add,
if I'm to employ the level of discourse stephendare claims for himself on this board but winces (and worse) when it is returned in kind.
No, spuwho, I think I've comprehended SD from the very beginning.
About Shad Kahn, spuwho wrote:
QuoteI cant speak for Stephen, but if the Jaguars or Mr Khan spent $20M on civic assets that had no direct financial benefit to them, his posture might be different.
This begs the question, spuwho: how can stephendare possibly know what Shad has and has not done in this community along the lines of philanthropy?
The answer: he can't; stephendare is no gatekeeper Shad Khan must answer to. Of course, sd is still free to delight in his status as slave to original project renderings. Bully!
Quote from: stephendare on August 22, 2016, 03:33:26 PM
Quote from: stephendare on August 22, 2016, 02:35:17 PM
(https://photos.smugmug.com/TV-Jax-Master/Political-Mojo/i-sJsWgCD/0/XL/ampitheatre-XL.jpg)
wow. it almost looks the same.
Like if it were repackaged by Big Lots ten years after it had become a 'thing'.
wow. what a bait and switch.
LOL, did you just quote and reply to yourself?
Quote from: stephendare on August 22, 2016, 03:50:47 PM
lol. apparently I did. Btw, does anyone in this thread think that when people refer to the military industrial complex, that there is a district somewhere that all the military and the industrials are co located?
Cecil Field? ;-)
One thing to note about the flowing design of the other rendering, is that it's largely an elevated walkway. Depending on future developments it could always be added later. The street facing facade is mostly the same aside from the pretty gold facets and how close to the street it is. We'll see when it's all finished how it looks.
Quote from: stephendare on August 22, 2016, 02:35:17 PM
(https://photos.smugmug.com/TV-Jax-Master/Political-Mojo/i-sJsWgCD/0/XL/ampitheatre-XL.jpg)
wow. it almost looks the same.
Like if it were repackaged by Big Lots ten years after it had become a 'thing'.
Thanks to Brandon Poarch for creating the comparison graphic.
I'm pretty sure this is what happened after the DIA review. The first set of renderings didn't fit the current landscape to their liking. ;)
The flowing, elevated walkway was never intended to be part of the Phase 2 construction, but instead part of a third phase to be completed alongside future development to the south of the stadium. This was never a secret and was discussed openly at the State of the Jaguars event earlier this year. If you watch the video from the January reveal, you can clearly see that that aspect of the project is retrofitted onto the main structure, which looks very, very close to the new renders, if we're not comparing the most flattering pictures from the original renders to the least flattering pictures from the new.
Quote from: RattlerGator on August 22, 2016, 03:37:36 PM
About Shad Kahn, spuwho wrote:
QuoteI cant speak for Stephen, but if the Jaguars or Mr Khan spent $20M on civic assets that had no direct financial benefit to them, his posture might be different.
This begs the question, spuwho: how can stephendare possibly know what Shad has and has not done in this community along the lines of philanthropy?
The answer: he can't; stephendare is no gatekeeper Shad Khan must answer to. Of course, sd is still free to delight in his status as slave to original project renderings. Bully!
RG,
I think you read a little too much in my nice early morning post. I was trying to add context to the discussion by relating to an opposing viewpoint.
Maybe if you take the Donald Trump fan approach, just listen to what he means and not what he says, you might go farther in your discussions.
Otherwise, you should probably move on.
Quote from: RattlerGator on August 22, 2016, 03:37:36 PM
This begs the question, spuwho: how can stephendare possibly know what Shad has and has not done in this community along the lines of philanthropy?
Let's keep things in perspective....what Khan has done philanthropically in this community is laughable compared to Wayne and Delores Weaver.
Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on August 22, 2016, 06:18:54 PM
Quote from: stephendare on August 22, 2016, 02:35:17 PM
(https://photos.smugmug.com/TV-Jax-Master/Political-Mojo/i-sJsWgCD/0/XL/ampitheatre-XL.jpg)
wow. it almost looks the same.
Like if it were repackaged by Big Lots ten years after it had become a 'thing'.
Thanks to Brandon Poarch for creating the comparison graphic.
I'm pretty sure this is what happened after the DIA review. The first set of renderings didn't fit the current landscape to their liking. ;)
to my knowledge, there was no DIA Board or DDRB review of the project. Perhaps DIA staff were involved somehow
Quote from: tufsu1 on August 22, 2016, 07:44:30 PM
Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on August 22, 2016, 06:18:54 PM
Quote from: stephendare on August 22, 2016, 02:35:17 PM
(https://photos.smugmug.com/TV-Jax-Master/Political-Mojo/i-sJsWgCD/0/XL/ampitheatre-XL.jpg)
wow. it almost looks the same.
Like if it were repackaged by Big Lots ten years after it had become a 'thing'.
Thanks to Brandon Poarch for creating the comparison graphic.
I'm pretty sure this is what happened after the DIA review. The first set of renderings didn't fit the current landscape to their liking. ;)
to my knowledge, there was no DIA Board or DDRB review of the project. Perhaps DIA staff were involved somehow
tongue was firmly planted inside of cheeki.
^ sorry, my bad
Quote from: jaxjaguar on August 22, 2016, 04:28:18 PM
We'll see when it's all finished how it looks.
Unfortunately, if it ends up looking like this, when it's finished will be too late.
(http://www.molzencorbin.com/sites/default/files/styles/portfolio_pages/public/field/image/UNM-Indoor-Football-Practice-Facility-Exterior-.png)
LOL. And that's what usually happens in Jacksonville. Big dreams, plans, vision, etc., and then at the end you end up with a bargain warehouse looking structure.
^Evidentials?
Baseball Grounds, Veterans Memorial Arena, Main Library, Everbank improvements, Friendship Fountain refurb, and even the Courthouse (could have had a more striking design, but I wouldn't call it bargain warehouse looking) all hit it out of the park.
Who cares what it looks like, as long as its better than what is there now.
Quote from: mtraininjax on August 23, 2016, 12:37:01 PM
Who cares what it looks like
The ultimate Jacksonville sentiment.
Quote from: mtraininjax on August 23, 2016, 12:37:01 PM
Who cares what it looks like, as long as its better than what is there now.
What's there now is an under-utilized field. An on fire burger king would be better than what's there now, but that doesn't mean it's the highest and best use for the space or the city's money.
Quote from: Captain Zissou on August 23, 2016, 01:52:06 PM
What's there now is an under-utilized field. An on fire burger king would be better than what's there now, but that doesn't mean it's the highest and best use for the space or the city's money.
On fire burger king would be a pretty unique attraction...as well as an homage to its birthplace in Northeast Florida. You're a genius CZ!
Quote from: Captain Zissou on August 23, 2016, 01:52:06 PM
Quote from: mtraininjax on August 23, 2016, 12:37:01 PM
Who cares what it looks like, as long as its better than what is there now.
What's there now is an under-utilized field. An on fire burger king would be better than what's there now, but that doesn't mean it's the highest and best use for the space or the city's money.
...It is a practice field with an amphitheater. You people are acting like God himself was supposed to come down and dwell in this building as the remake of the Temple in Jerusalem. Every school in the SEC has a practice facility. Most NFL teams have them. The tax dollars went towards an amphitheater which usually are less cool than the one we got.
See Tampa for example:
(http://dansmark.com/past_current_projects/Tampa_amphitheater1.jpg)
We already know that one of Khan's main goals is to turn football games at Everbank into full weekend experiences, with a major concert at the amphitheater the night before games, with the hope of drawing more visitors into town for Jags games (perhaps staying at the hotel he has spoken of wanting to build across from the stadium). Just curious what you guys think the actual gameday experience will look like next fall? How does the addition of a full sized covered football field and/or ampitheater, in the proposed configuration, best enhance the home game experience?
I think it will be great, Jags fans love to tailgate and any extra activities will be great. The Fla/Ga game will be even better than before. I think it will be a while before you see anything in the shipyards though. Though I am still disappointed in the design, maybe after it is complete it may grow on me. Still very glad the project is moving forward and has broken ground.
Quote from: FlaBoy on August 23, 2016, 03:21:35 PM
Quote from: Captain Zissou on August 23, 2016, 01:52:06 PM
Quote from: mtraininjax on August 23, 2016, 12:37:01 PM
Who cares what it looks like, as long as its better than what is there now.
What's there now is an under-utilized field. An on fire burger king would be better than what's there now, but that doesn't mean it's the highest and best use for the space or the city's money.
...It is a practice field with an amphitheater. You people are acting like God himself was supposed to come down and dwell in this building as the remake of the Temple in Jerusalem. Every school in the SEC has a practice facility. Most NFL teams have them. The tax dollars went towards an amphitheater which usually are less cool than the one we got.
See Tampa for example:
Quotehttp://dansmark.com/past_current_projects/Tampa_amphitheater1.jpg
Of the $90 million approved by the city for renovations at Everbank (split evenly with the Jags), we know that $26.6 million went toward redoing the club level. This means that the flex field and amphitheater, with shared superstructure, will have a price tag of nearly $65 million. Cannot imagine the final venue feeling cheap or low-rent at that price. That's the equivalent of two Baseball Grounds. For context, Amazon's new 2.1 million sf build-out is expected to cost around $87 million.
The Baseball Grounds was built like 12-14 years ago or thereabouts, so you have to factor that in to get anything close to apples-to-apples.
Quote from: vicupstate on August 23, 2016, 05:04:29 PM
The Baseball Grounds was built like 12-14 years ago or thereabouts, so you have to factor that in to get anything close to apples-to-apples.
Nearly $44 million in today's dollars. That stadium has also had some pretty major renovations since then. The new video boards and sound system are 1000x better than the originals. They've also updated their suites, the beer garden, kids area, etc.
Quote from: FlaBoy on August 23, 2016, 03:21:35 PM
The tax dollars went towards an amphitheater which usually are less cool than the one we got.
We haven't gotten anything yet.
Quote from: mtraininjax on August 23, 2016, 12:37:01 PM
Who cares what it looks like, as long as its better than what is there now.
the same thing could be said about rundown buildings in neghborhoods....like Riverside & Avondale for example
Quote from: FlaBoy on August 23, 2016, 03:21:35 PM
You people are acting like God himself was supposed to come down and dwell in this building as the remake of the Temple in Jerusalem.
actually that's a good analogy. We've pretty much reached the point where stadiums are our modern-day cathedrals. While governments once spent large sums of money on central churches and then city halls, our spending is on "public" stadiums for private sports teams.
Quote from: spuwho on August 22, 2016, 07:23:46 PM
Quote from: RattlerGator on August 22, 2016, 03:37:36 PM
About Shad Kahn, spuwho wrote:
QuoteI cant speak for Stephen, but if the Jaguars or Mr Khan spent $20M on civic assets that had no direct financial benefit to them, his posture might be different.
This begs the question, spuwho: how can stephendare possibly know what Shad has and has not done in this community along the lines of philanthropy?
The answer: he can't; stephendare is no gatekeeper Shad Khan must answer to. Of course, sd is still free to delight in his status as slave to original project renderings. Bully!
RG,
I think you read a little too much in my nice early morning post. I was trying to add context to the discussion by relating to an opposing viewpoint.
Maybe if you take the Donald Trump fan approach, just listen to what he means and not what he says, you might go farther in your discussions.
Otherwise, you should probably move on.
You were trying to add context, spuwho, where none was needed. No one is confused by stephendare and his rather unfortunately blind partisanship. How is one to go further with someone who only knows how to ape opposition, hmmm? As for my direct question quoted by you, and left unanswered, I'll repeat:
how can stephendare possibly know what Shad has and has not done in this community along the lines of philanthropy?
The answer, quite obviously, is that he can't. No one on this board can. That won't stop the envious complainers, though. Stephendare loves to comment on this board as though he is entitled to *his* truth, and to hell with the objective truth. Okay. As long as his political opinion doesn't carry the day in Jacksonville, I'm cool with that. He can be all butt-hurt about it but that won't change things.
As for moving on, I'm not the one obsessed with the EverBank Field projects.
Or their original renderings.
Or the city code
or state law that expressly permitted the funding approach utilized by the city and the Jaguars.
So, your move on advisory might be better directed to the bitch-and-moan crowd still commenting in this thread like junior high girls who didn't make the cheerleading squad.
^hahaha.
Latest design for Jacksonville amphitheater called 'mediocre' by critics
http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2016-08-23/story/latest-design-amphitheater-called-mediocre-critics
(http://img.michaeljacksonspictures.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/popcorn.gif)
I made it to 'Ted Pappas' and then really didn't give a shit to whatever else followed.
This is the same Ted Pappas that wanted to 'replace' Monroe St. so close to the front door that drivers would have to navigate between the columns on the front porch of that architectural beaut' the Duval County Courthouse.
Does it look as good as the initial rendering? Nope. Do they ever? Sometimes. If you want to point fingers, then point them at the ones with the taxpayers' checkbook who approved the final design.
VE = Very Eh
It's been stated here recently by benmarcus, but I have to agree with his sentiments: Is there a person with actual Leadership qualities among the decision makers in this city?
Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on August 24, 2016, 12:46:20 AM
I made it to 'Ted Pappas' and then really didn't give a shit to whatever else followed.
Seems like any time a design is proposed, the Times-Union seeks out Ted Pappas to bash it.
http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2014-08-26/story/jacksonville-landing-proposal-gets-mixed-reviews-non-remarkable-design
Quote from: tufsu1 on August 23, 2016, 08:09:05 PM
Quote from: FlaBoy on August 23, 2016, 03:21:35 PM
You people are acting like God himself was supposed to come down and dwell in this building as the remake of the Temple in Jerusalem.
actually that's a good analogy. We've pretty much reached the point where stadiums are our modern-day cathedrals. While governments once spent large sums of money on central churches and then city halls, our spending is on "public" stadiums for private sports teams.
I'm voting NO to BJP-Better Jacksonville Parish
Extend the taxpayer collection plate.
Per the Jax Business Journal, Lamping confirms that the Jags have their eyes set on Met Park:
QuoteLamping said the perception is something the Jaguars' developments are looking to remedy, though it will be an incremental process. A development for Met Park is something that could happen sooner rather than later.
"I think it's obvious that the closest connection to the stadium is Met Park. We believe that's an ideal location to create that connection," Lamping said, though he caveats. "There's a lot of work that would need to be done."
After the pension vote next week, though, Lamping said that more moves are coming.
"There's no question that the city's focus has been appropriately on solving the pension problem," Lamping said. "It sets the stage for some very exciting developments."
Full story: http://www.bizjournals.com/jacksonville/news/2016/08/24/as-amphitheater-gets-off-the-ground-developers.html
QuoteIndeed, EverBank Field and the area around it fall within the zone overseen by the Downtown Development Review Board, according to city maps showing the zone's boundaries. The board reviews and approves new construction and renovations.
Oliver said the legislation approving the development agreement with the Jaguars does not require review by that board.
I don't understand why the project would NOT be subject to DDRB review. By virtue of being located where it is, it should be reviewed.
QuotePappas said based on his experience in the architectural field, the changes in the design appear to be the kind of alterations that happens when costs get penciled in and features get removed as a result. Lamping said cost "did not come into play."
The main thing you need to know, even though you already did.
Quote from: KenFSU on August 24, 2016, 09:26:36 AM
Per the Jax Business Journal, Lamping confirms that the Jags have their eyes set on Met Park
Oh, boy. They're really gonna clutch them pearls now!
Corporate welfare debate aside, anyone else think that a land swap actually makes a lot of sense? Open Met Park to development (from whoever), and designate a portion of the Shipyards property as parkland. Met Park is pretty isolated in its current location, and you could use a portion of that Shipyards property to build a truly iconic central waterfront park for the community in a location that would genuinely improve the connectivity issue between the stadium district and business core, with less remediation than is likely necessary for commercial use. You could even connect it by kayak or water taxi to the District directly across the river. Not gonna lie, kinda love this idea.
(https://s10.postimg.org/uzkliv5kp/Shipyards.png)
^It won't be central but it's a better space for parkland than Metropolitan Park is. Anyway, I'd be against the Shipyards becoming a Jacksonville styled public park, which is essentially throwing down some grass, a few trees and benches and not maintaining any of it. If a public park is the answer, it needs to include a mix of uses, activities, etc. and stimulate economic development in and around it. If we can't get that right, might as well pave it and turn it into another shipping terminal or maritime related industrial use. At least then, it will be placed back on the tax rolls and actually stimulate a few private sector jobs.
Quote from: vicupstate on August 24, 2016, 09:34:01 AM
I don't understand why the project would NOT be subject to DDRB review. By virtue of being located where it is, it should be reviewed.
you already know the answer to this
Quote from: KenFSU on August 24, 2016, 11:57:02 AM
Corporate welfare debate aside, anyone else think that a land swap actually makes a lot of sense? Open Met Park to development (from whoever), and designate a portion of the Shipyards property as parkland.
that's the plan, but nobody at City Hall will say it / show it publicly.
It could make a lot of sense on several levels to do a land swap between Metro Park and the Shipyards. Metro Park is due for a major renovation, and is an ideal location for sports complex-related development, but not for a park. The Shipyards is better located, but the cleanup makes it more difficult to develop, though not necessarily harder to use as a park. It actually has some features that could make for an awesome park, especially if they reopen the piers that are there. It's crazy to me that there's no where to fish or go out over water anywhere downtown. They could also partition parts of the Shipyards and plan the park around the new development.
If the land switch really happens next step would be to move the jail
It would be a glorious day if officials finally go forward with moving the Jail.... I'd love something like a World of Maxwell house but I know that's dreaming to big for Jax right now...
Quote from: martt12 on August 24, 2016, 05:59:44 PM
I'd love something like a World of Maxwell house but I know that's dreaming to big for Jax right now...
Maxwell House employs approximately the same number of people that the Jaguars do. Why can't we give them millions of taxpayer dollars to create such a place? If one business near the stadium can get such funds, why not MH as well? It's only fair. And it certainly would be an unique attraction. Every city of a certain size has a NFL team and/or an amphitheater. How many have a coffee world?
Yeah - kids will love coffee world.
Quote from: finehoe on August 24, 2016, 08:20:13 PM
Quote from: martt12 on August 24, 2016, 05:59:44 PM
I'd love something like a World of Maxwell house but I know that's dreaming to big for Jax right now...
Maxwell House employs approximately the same number of people that the Jaguars do. Why can't we give them millions of taxpayer dollars to create such a place? If one business near the stadium can get such funds, why not MH as well? It's only fair. And it certainly would be an unique attraction. Every city of a certain size has a NFL team and/or an amphitheater. How many have a coffee world?
we did....back when it was us vs. Philly on which plant they would close.
Quote from: Houseboat Mike on August 24, 2016, 08:53:17 PM
we did....back when it was us vs. Philly on which plant they would close.
I don't believe Maxwell House ever had a plant in Philadelphia.
Quote from: finehoe on August 24, 2016, 11:09:32 PM
Quote from: Houseboat Mike on August 24, 2016, 08:53:17 PM
we did....back when it was us vs. Philly on which plant they would close.
I don't believe Maxwell House ever had a plant in Philadelphia.
Hoboken.
http://www.nytimes.com/1992/03/20/nyregion/workers-mourn-maxwell-house-s-last-drop.html
Looking at the renders again, what I'm having a hard time grasping is this:
If the goal, per Lamping, is a completely interconnected venue, where festival guests, for example, could move from flex space to amphitheater, right into the heart of the stadium, why does the flex field open up directly onto the stage of the amphitheater. Seems strange to me. So you're saying that, on game day, people will be flowing through the flex field into the stadium via the amphitheater stage? Also, from the amphitheater perspective, how will an open 50' x 60' foot panel affect acoustics? Will people just randomly walk onto stage from the flex field during performances? Where will bands hang their backdrops/banners? Or will it just be closed most of the time during concerts?
(http://jacksonville.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/slideshows-wide/d5.jpg)
(https://s9.postimg.org/j5j212tjj/Amp1.png)
(https://s9.postimg.org/xq04vwoi7/Amp2.png)
(https://s9.postimg.org/8l94ihp1r/Amp3.png)
It's probably been said but, Daily's Place is such a terrible name.
Speaking of Maxwell House, where are they when these naming rights opportunities show up? Maxwell House Stadium or Maxwell Field.
We could call the stadium the House instead of the Bank.
1970 called they want the old Benjamin Moore plant back! How many times will Jacksonville trip over it's own dick #shipyards #courthouse #stadium And to think Sham Con who supposedly is "All In" does not even live here, he lives in Naples and why dosent he bring his bumper factory here? The citizens have been hoodwinked ...AGAIN!
Quote from: KenFSU on August 25, 2016, 12:09:22 AM
Looking at the renders again, what I'm having a hard time grasping is this:
If the goal, per Lamping, is a completely interconnected venue, where festival guests, for example, could move from flex space to amphitheater, right into the heart of the stadium, why does the flex field open up directly onto the stage of the amphitheater. Seems strange to me. So you're saying that, on game day, people will be flowing through the flex field into the stadium via the amphitheater stage? Also, from the amphitheater perspective, how will an open 50' x 60' foot panel affect acoustics? Will people just randomly walk onto stage from the flex field during performances? Where will bands hang their backdrops/banners? Or will it just be closed most of the time during concerts?
To me, Ken, the beauty of the place is the utility it offers. You ask a question that seems to presume something of a hard and fixed set-up even though you ask will it be most closed. So, yes: I suspect it will likely be closed most of the time.
http://www.jaguars.com/news/article-PressRelease/City-of-Jacksonville-and-Jaguars-break-ground-on-Daily's-Place/e6de2fec-393c-4d6d-bef6-8589b6b76a61
QuoteFlanked on the north and south side by massive hangar doors, the facility can be used independently or opened up to the amphitheater via a sliding door behind the stage that measures approximately 53 feet tall by 60 feet wide.
Like a convention center space that allows for multiple configurations, the amphitheater and the adjacent Exhibit Hall are going to see some very creative future uses. Again, if you don't see that's what the flex field actually is, you're missing a large part of what is happening.
To address another comment in the thread: we aren't slaves on this board, are we? This is an opinion board, right? Thus, there's no need to slurp the narrow perspective of the partisans, I presume.
I think the Jaguars already see a particularly creative solution that could never have been accomplished by the bitch-and-moan crowd and are years down the road with preliminary plans on what they hope to do. So, too, is Mayor Curry more than likely. We've only seen the beginning stage.
Hopefully that's not too nutty, cheesy or wholly uninformed for the blind partisans that tried to crap on this significant announcement but you just never know. They've shamefully presumed the stupidity of not only an entrepreneurial billionaire but a successful executive with stints in St. Louis and New York City with
major sports enterprises. But, goo lawd, goo lawd ha' mercy, it didn't get reviewed by the DDRB !!! (and I thank whatever powers may be that it didn't have to survive that nonsense)
Let the record reflect that they (the Jaguars) are rather smartly addressing a significant hole in the Jacksonville urban core and preparing to prove some folks
quite wrong in at least one (and likely more) of their hasty assessments.
If, however, your mind can only process things in a binary way and can only view support for this worthy project in black and white terms that only allow support to be dismissively cast as worship, then for your limited and apparently necessary benefit I will gladly worship Shad Khan and Mark Lamping as opposed to the nattering nabobs of negativism.
All Hail King Shad! Giving the people, and not the select few, what they want. What a concept.
Quote from: blizz01 on August 24, 2016, 08:38:05 PM
Yeah - kids will love coffee world.
I know when I took my kids to Hershey Park, they asked why we don't have something similar in Jacksonville with characters dressed up as dark roast and decaf.
Quote from: pierre on August 25, 2016, 08:23:47 AM
I know when I took my kids to Hershey Park, they asked why we don't have something similar in Jacksonville with characters dressed up as dark roast and decaf.
(https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTtBoHNz9uPpz1zPbN0eSkbGDyhjNkRhL8bqMsqS5qgBll9gKRq)
Lol - well I was talking about something similar to World of Coca Cola where they have different exhibits and different flavors for tasting. Maybe people get first taste on something they're working on or something like that. I know many people who LOVE coffee
^One problem. World of Coke, Hersey World, etc. are all located in cities that also serve as the company's headquarters. Maxwell House is owned by Kraft Heinz. The way they've been slashing jobs, we're lucky the Jax plant is still around. It would probably be easier to throw some money at a locally-based company like Sally to do something interesting.
Quote from: thelakelander on August 25, 2016, 09:39:30 AM
^One problem. World of Coke, Hersey World, etc. are all located in cities that also serve as the company's headquarters. Maxwell House is owned by Kraft Heinz. The way they've been slashing jobs, we're lucky the Jax plant is still around. It would probably be easier to throw some money at a locally-based company like Sally to do something interesting.
Wasn't Maxwell House at some point approached about having some sort of coffee shop/demonstration tourist attraction at the plant and turned down the idea?
Quote from: Wacca Pilatka on August 25, 2016, 09:44:37 AM
Quote from: thelakelander on August 25, 2016, 09:39:30 AM
^One problem. World of Coke, Hersey World, etc. are all located in cities that also serve as the company's headquarters. Maxwell House is owned by Kraft Heinz. The way they've been slashing jobs, we're lucky the Jax plant is still around. It would probably be easier to throw some money at a locally-based company like Sally to do something interesting.
Wasn't Maxwell House at some point approached about having some sort of coffee shop/demonstration tourist attraction at the plant and turned down the idea?
Yes, a few times I think.
QuoteJacksonville has grown up around the Maxwell House plant. The shipyards were neighbors early on and nearby buildings have changed names a few times. Despite its size, being one of the biggest coffee roasting plants in the world, Maxwell House keeps a low profile in town. There are no plant tours and there's good reason for the plants secrecy. The coffee business is competitive and Maxwell House's parent company Kraft Foods wants to keep it that way. "We talked about our need to stay competitive. Part of that is to not let our competitors know how we operate to the minute detail," said Waryold
full article: First Coast News 11/8/2012 - Landmark Legend: Maxwell House - http://archive.firstcoastnews.com/news/article/281594/0/Landmark-Legend-Maxwell-House-
Quote from: thelakelander on August 25, 2016, 10:56:31 AM
QuoteJacksonville has grown up around the Maxwell House plant. The shipyards were neighbors early on and nearby buildings have changed names a few times. Despite its size, being one of the biggest coffee roasting plants in the world, Maxwell House keeps a low profile in town. There are no plant tours and there's good reason for the plants secrecy. The coffee business is competitive and Maxwell House's parent company Kraft Foods wants to keep it that way. "We talked about our need to stay competitive. Part of that is to not let our competitors know how we operate to the minute detail," said Waryold
full article: First Coast News 11/8/2012 - Landmark Legend: Maxwell House - http://archive.firstcoastnews.com/news/article/281594/0/Landmark-Legend-Maxwell-House-
(http://ct.fra.bz/ol/fz/sw/i49/5/7/31/frabz-nobody-ever-goes-in-and-nobody-ever-comes-out-29c701.jpg)
Thought I saw Slugworth creeping at the gates.
World of Swisher is a much better idea ;)
/\ would def help that area
I love the Sally Corporation idea. Ideally (and I know it may be a pipe dream but someone has to do it) they would participate in a development similar to the Family Kingdom Amusement Park in Myrtle Beach:
https://www.familykingdomfun.com/fast-facts-family-kingdom/
That amusement park sits on 13 acres. Our fairgrounds take up about the same amount of space. Metropolitan Park is 32 acres. That's plenty of room to move Metropolitan Park over to Shipyards territory, move the Fairgrounds down to the former Metropolitan Park area and have it co-exist with a Family Kingdom type of amusement park, along with a hotel or two.
Opportunity, opportunity, opportunity. All building off the sports aesthetic the area already has.
The Jacksonville Suns already play about 70 home games a year. That gives you a wide range of dates to build on activity for an area that is currently a dead zone; it is event-specific, and then you leave. Shad Khan, Iguana, the city et al. have a chance to change that. Develop an upgraded and iconic Metropolitan Park on the Shipyards property, that adds new life to the area. Intuition Ale's guaranteed success in the new Entertainment and Sports district will inevitably lead to more development & choices without any added elements.
Throw in the USS Adams and a few other component pieces and you have a fully formed district that begins to promise a diversity of year-round entertainment choices that involve the riverfront, sporting events, conventions and concerts.
Via Daily Record: City of Jacksonville, 1406 Gator Bowl Blvd., contractor is Realco Recycling Co., demolition of fabric canopy and steel support system of stage area, $107,126.
Oof. I'm sure I can get a few friends and do it for half that cost (sarcasm). But really, COJ has a hard time maintaining a lot of their assets. Building, Parks, Roads, etc.
I'm pretty sure that's about half of what was originally bid so I'd say that's a win. Keep in mind it's a lot more than just taking down the tent. They're also removing all of the supports, concrete, electrical equipment, etc and cleaning up the site after completion.
Stephen do you not think the circus tent from the 80's has outlived its intended lifespan?
Get off of our asses or assets? (no half pun intended). I agree wholeheartedly Stephen...you're on point.
Metro Park had a good run as an outdoor concert venue, and that was really a pretty good use for the space. Unfortunately its limitations mean it was never going to live up to its full potential as a venue, without an amount of money and effort that was pretty difficult to justify. The issue now is finding something else to do with the space. I'm skeptical that it will ever work as a true park, given its distance from any residential areas. Perhaps as the stadium district continues to fill in, it can take off.
Quote from: stephendare on September 08, 2016, 11:24:42 AM
Quote from: Tacachale on September 08, 2016, 10:47:45 AM
Metro Park had a good run as an outdoor concert venue, and that was really a pretty good use for the space. Unfortunately its limitations mean it was never going to live up to its full potential as a venue, without an amount of money and effort that was pretty difficult to justify. The issue now is finding something else to do with the space. I'm skeptical that it will ever work as a true park, given its distance from any residential areas. Perhaps as the stadium district continues to fill in, it can take off.
I disagree with literally every point that you just made, and would truly like to hear your reasoning and justification (if any) behind the following statements:
1. "I'm skeptical that it will ever work as a true park, given its distance from any residential areas."
A riverfront municipal park doesn't necessarily need a nearby residential base (although there is one). It needs design, programmed use, access and maintenance. I spent a lot of time in both Golden Gate and Gasworks park, and met a lot of people, very few of whom lived nearby.
Why would a prime piece of riverfront real estate (right at one of the most scenic bends in the river) have a disadvantage based on location?
A great example is Belle Isle Park in Detroit https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belle_Isle_Park_(Michigan)
But it was well designed, and served as a public use focal point.
Consider this:
"The island is home to the Belle Isle Aquarium, the Belle Isle Conservatory, the Belle Isle Nature Zoo, the Detroit Yacht Club on an adjacent island, the James Scott Memorial Fountain, the Dossin Great Lakes Museum, a Coast Guard station, a municipal golf course and numerous monuments. It also previously housed a Nature Center where visitors were able to traverse wooded trails and view wildlife natural habitats, a former Belle Isle Zoo, riding stables and the Detroit Boat Club. The island includes a half-mile (800 m) swimming beach."
These are all amenities that justify a giant piece of land like Metropolitan Park, and were part of the original plan when it was conceived. The problem is that it became more fashionable for our local politicians to cut taxes and do things on the cheap than to actually do anything that helped the future of the city or succeeding generations in my opinion. One of those casualties has been the shocking underfunding of our natural environment and parks services.
And lets take a recent example of how upside down our priorities are. Just a few months ago, our current mayor raised a couple of million very easily to promote his pension plan to add an additional billion and a half dollars to the debt. If a couple of million for marketing and a billion.five dollars can be found to fund a political stunt, then the money can be found to design and create major parts of the civic infrastructure.
2. "without an amount of money and effort that was pretty difficult to justify."
I know you seldom choose your words lightly, so i suspect you may be speaking of a specific amount of money, for a specific purpose. Are you?
I haven't been to Bell Island Park, but I've heard good things about it. However, it's much larger than the space of Metro Park, and obviously has lots to draw people to it. Even if Metro Park got an incredibly well designed makeover as a park, it would suffer from not being closer to people or even many workers.
As far as the money and effort goes, I'm talking specifically about the past plans to renovate it as a music venue - the amphitheater plan from the '90s. As has been discussed here before, there was a lot of pushback from noise complainers across the river, as well as a lot of hoops to jump through with the feds (who actually own the property) and city interests, plus the cost of actually building the structure. That was really the only way to really save the park as a music venue; as that never jelled, it's time to find another use for it.
The city of Detroit no longer runs Belle Isle Park. The state took control due to the city be unable to financially support it following bankruptcy.
I can totally see both points of view. Certainly Met Park has the potential to flourish in its existing spot, with an iconic design, frequent programming, and careful upkeep. It's beautiful riverfront property with a great view of the city. But to Bill's point, it will likely remain a commuter park for years to come until residential increases. I do think it would have a much better chance at success, and have more positive externalities on the surrounding areas, if it was moved/swapped to the Shipyards property where it had a better chance of being a signature, truly urban park.
Now that Curry's pension tax has passed, I'm really curious to see how this all shakes out. We've potentially got Metro Park and the Shipyards in play. Lamping has said that the Jags want to start developing the area east of the stadium, presumably including Metro Park, as soon as possible. Specifically, they have their sites set on a luxury hotel, a pedestrian bridge to the stadium, public spaces, some retail, and a spot for the USS Adams. With the stage about to come down and Daily's Place set to open next spring, it kind of feels like the city has given up on the Met Park experiment. Meanwhile, the Shipyards is likely at least two years away from being habitable, assuming remediation started yesterday.
It'll be really interesting to see how this is all reconciled. Will the state say no to a potential land swap? Would remediation need to be completed before such a swap could take place? Will the city be up in arms and cry corporate welfare? Beyond the scoreboards and new amphitheater/flex space, I can't imagine the Jags will be able to ask the city for any more bed money in the near future for development. Would there be more or less of an outcry is we offered free land to be developed by Iguana?
It'll be a fun story to follow.
In fact, I really have a feeling that the next five years or so might be the most interesting time period for the downtown area since maybe the mid-to-late 80s.
Am I the only on that would like to see the fairgrounds moved elsewhere ?
I'd like the fairgrounds to stay downtown. I was never a fan of the plan to move it to Cecil.
Also, Architects don't really design parks. Maybe the structures in them but not the entire spaces. I'd be fine with a swap of Metro Park with the Shipyards. However, neither will be the "centralized" vibrant place that "Springfield Park" would be if we restored and cleaned it up. Centered around the Hogans Creek Promenade....that was and is Jax's most authentic version of a "Central Park" type of space.
Of course, swapping MetroPark down to the Shipyards brings the possibility of a restored "Springfield Park" back into play via a logical connection of both to Hogan's Creek.
No one tell Stephen but plenty of new and exciting possibilities exist downtown, thanks in large part to that billionaire NFL owner.
Haven't seen this render before, which paints a clearer picture of what the connection to the stadium will look like.
Exposed steel girders "inspired by the city's bridges" seems a bit of a stretch.
I"m not blown away, but I'm confident the finished product and the effect it has on the surrounding area will far outweigh the city's contribution.
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That spider:
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Looks like Kahn is in town to see the construction of his new practice field...
I am looking forward to seeing the finished product. But the renderings look pretty 'meh' to me. Which is odd since most of the stadium upgrades under Khan have been pretty good.
And, she's gone vertical.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CzFCJU5WQAA8UIR.jpg)
Imagine that area with the ramps gone and Metro Park and Shipyards done. Will be a major hurdle for Jax to get all these done, but atleast then we can move on and focus more into the DTcore
Getting ready for the 2020 NFL Draft site!
Do we have enough hotels for this event?
The NFL doesn't have a hotel minimum for the NFL Draft like they do for the Super Bowl.
Oh then its very possible then, just be nice if the whole area is finished before hand
Well, considering that Shad is now the proud owner of the Four Seasons in Toronto, perhaps he has something even more ambitious in mind for that area. Not a bad brand to cut your teeth on.
Prudent optimism is called for. It's time to start dreaming reasonably big. That said, I just don't see the draft coming here -- unless the NFL owners believe they owe Shad for showing the way on how to make the NFL presence in England sustainable.
Which is quite possible.
They may see Shad as a trailblazer (because he is), and think just how fortunate that would make us.
Quote from: RattlerGator on December 15, 2016, 09:15:02 AM
Prudent optimism is called for. It's time to start dreaming reasonably big. That said, I just don't see the draft coming here -- unless the NFL owners believe they owe Shad for showing the way on how to make the NFL presence in England sustainable.
Which is quite possible.
They may see Shad as a trailblazer (because he is), and think just how fortunate that would make us.
The Jags are a lot closer to hosting an NFL draft than a lot of people think. Mayor Curry will announce the plans/vision for downtown next month. I'm assuming the plans include a hotel and redeveloped green spaces near the stadium. Kahn will then take these plans to the owners meeting in early 2017 and layout a vision as to how the NFL draft would work in Jax.
Selling points:
Good weather in late April/early March.
Good reasonable access for fans of other teams. There are 6 other NFL teams within an 8 hour drive or less.
The Jags will pitch the Wembley setup (Hotel next to the stadium, the use of the Arena closeby, and space for pop-up shops). Also, owners believe in "rewarding" cities where stadium improvements have been made. Hence, a Super Bowl being awarded to Minnesota.
Quote from: JaxAvondale on December 16, 2016, 10:54:28 AM
Quote from: RattlerGator on December 15, 2016, 09:15:02 AM
Prudent optimism is called for. It's time to start dreaming reasonably big. That said, I just don't see the draft coming here -- unless the NFL owners believe they owe Shad for showing the way on how to make the NFL presence in England sustainable.
Which is quite possible.
They may see Shad as a trailblazer (because he is), and think just how fortunate that would make us.
The Jags are a lot closer to hosting an NFL draft than a lot of people think. Mayor Curry will announce the plans/vision for downtown next month. I'm assuming the plans include a hotel and redeveloped green spaces near the stadium. Kahn will then take these plans to the owners meeting in early 2017 and layout a vision as to how the NFL draft would work in Jax.
Selling points:
Good weather in late April/early March.
Good reasonable access for fans of other teams. There are 6 other NFL teams within an 8 hour drive or less.
The Jags will pitch the Wembley setup (Hotel next to the stadium, the use of the Arena closeby, and space for pop-up shops). Also, owners believe in "rewarding" cities where stadium improvements have been made. Hence, a Super Bowl being awarded to Minnesota.
Dont forget one of the most important draws NE Florida has for NFL owners and their entourages.......lots of golf courses!
Quote from: Murder_me_Rachel on December 23, 2016, 11:53:08 AM
http://deadspin.com/the-new-frontier-in-stadium-ripoffs-1790361138
All you need to know on this facility.
"But I'm glad that Jerry got his country club. He really earned it, that toothy old shitbag."
That prose does sound like something that would appeal to you.
Per the TU, the Doobie Bros. and Chicago have officially booked Daily's Place for their summer tour, making them the amphitheater's first tenet.
Sorry, St. Augustine.
Quote from: KenFSU on January 03, 2017, 11:42:25 AM
Per the TU, the Doobie Bros. and Chicago have officially booked Daily's Place for their summer tour, making them the amphitheater's first tenet.
So their game plan is to book has-beens?
Quote from: KenFSU on January 03, 2017, 11:42:25 AM
Per the TU, the Doobie Bros. and Chicago have officially booked Daily's Place for their summer tour, making them the amphitheater's first tenet.
Sorry, St. Augustine.
Yes. I think it is safe to say this is a show that St Augustine would have gotten in the past.
Quote from: finehoe on January 03, 2017, 11:54:18 AM
Quote from: KenFSU on January 03, 2017, 11:42:25 AM
Per the TU, the Doobie Bros. and Chicago have officially booked Daily's Place for their summer tour, making them the amphitheater's first tenet.
So their game plan is to book has-beens?
If your definition of "has-beens" is two of the best-selling groups in world history, then yes.
Quote from: finehoe on January 03, 2017, 11:54:18 AM
Quote from: KenFSU on January 03, 2017, 11:42:25 AM
Per the TU, the Doobie Bros. and Chicago have officially booked Daily's Place for their summer tour, making them the amphitheater's first tenet.
So their game plan is to book has-beens?
Have you ever looked at the St Augustine Amphitheater schedule? Look at it right now. Foreigner, Kansas, Willie Nelson, Steve Winwood, Steve Miller Band, VANILLA ICE. This is absolutely a straight steal from St Augustine. Not sure if that's the gameplan, but that's what happened here.
Quote from: InnerCityPressure on January 03, 2017, 01:14:44 PM
Have you ever looked at the St Augustine Amphitheater schedule? Look at it right now. Foreigner, Kansas, Willie Nelson, Steve Winwood, Steve Miller Band, VANILLA ICE. This is absolutely a straight steal from St Augustine. Not sure if that's the gameplan, but that's what happened here.
I'm not disputing that. Earlier in the thread people were arguing that this new facility would bring in acts that were skipping North Florida altogether because there wasn't an appropriately sized facility for them. If all it's doing is stealing acts from St. Augustine, it doesn't seem like much of a cultural win to me.
Quote from: finehoe on January 03, 2017, 03:03:43 PM
Quote from: InnerCityPressure on January 03, 2017, 01:14:44 PM
Have you ever looked at the St Augustine Amphitheater schedule? Look at it right now. Foreigner, Kansas, Willie Nelson, Steve Winwood, Steve Miller Band, VANILLA ICE. This is absolutely a straight steal from St Augustine. Not sure if that's the gameplan, but that's what happened here.
I'm not disputing that. Earlier in the thread people were arguing that this new facility would bring in acts that were skipping North Florida altogether because there wasn't an appropriately sized facility for them. If all it's doing is stealing acts from St. Augustine, it doesn't seem like much of a cultural win to me.
Patience grasshopper... the thing isnt even built yet...lol
Quote from: BridgeTroll on January 03, 2017, 03:13:09 PM
Patience grasshopper... the thing isnt even built yet...lol
Fair enough.
Quote from: KenFSU on January 03, 2017, 11:42:25 AM
Per the TU, the Doobie Bros. and Chicago have officially booked Daily's Place for their summer tour, making them the amphitheater's first tenet.
Sorry, St. Augustine.
Isn't it supposed to be open Memorial Day? I have a hard time believing that their first performer won't be until July 1, more than a month after it is completed. This is probably just the first one announced.
Quote from: Jax-Nole on January 03, 2017, 04:02:45 PM
Quote from: KenFSU on January 03, 2017, 11:42:25 AM
Per the TU, the Doobie Bros. and Chicago have officially booked Daily's Place for their summer tour, making them the amphitheater's first tenet.
Sorry, St. Augustine.
Isn't it supposed to be open Memorial Day? I have a hard time believing that their first performer won't be until July 1, more than a month after it is completed. This is probably just the first one announced.
Mark Lamping said this is the first announced event, but it will not be first actual concert. (per Stephanie Brown at WOKV)
Quote from: BridgeTroll on January 03, 2017, 03:13:09 PM
Quote from: finehoe on January 03, 2017, 03:03:43 PM
Quote from: InnerCityPressure on January 03, 2017, 01:14:44 PM
Have you ever looked at the St Augustine Amphitheater schedule? Look at it right now. Foreigner, Kansas, Willie Nelson, Steve Winwood, Steve Miller Band, VANILLA ICE. This is absolutely a straight steal from St Augustine. Not sure if that's the gameplan, but that's what happened here.
I'm not disputing that. Earlier in the thread people were arguing that this new facility would bring in acts that were skipping North Florida altogether because there wasn't an appropriately sized facility for them. If all it's doing is stealing acts from St. Augustine, it doesn't seem like much of a cultural win to me.
Patience grasshopper... the thing isnt even built yet...lol
I'd agree with Finehoe - the goal shouldn't be just to "steal" acts that would be going to SA Amphitheater already, but to add more to the calendar. Of course it is likely that some acts will be "stolen" if only because the new amphitheater is better located than the one in St. Augustine (among others). But the real win will be if all the venues were going at the current clip and the amphitheater added shows that otherwise would have passed this market. Especially those that don't usually come here.
Quote from: Jax-Nole on January 03, 2017, 04:02:45 PM
Quote from: KenFSU on January 03, 2017, 11:42:25 AM
Per the TU, the Doobie Bros. and Chicago have officially booked Daily's Place for their summer tour, making them the amphitheater's first tenet.
Sorry, St. Augustine.
Isn't it supposed to be open Memorial Day? I have a hard time believing that their first performer won't be until July 1, more than a month after it is completed. This is probably just the first one announced.
First tenet booked. Not first show scheduled. Unless something has changed, the plan is a multi-day grand opening the week of Memorial Day. Acts TBD.
Quote from: Tacachale on January 03, 2017, 05:38:19 PM
But the real win will be if all the venues were going at the current clip and the amphitheater added shows that otherwise would have passed this market. Especially those that don't usually come here.
No, that is entirely wrong. The real win clearly is having acts or events in downtown Jacksonville that consistently bring visitors to the sports and entertainment district, period, *and* gives visitors to sporting events a reason to look for other (meaning, non-sports) reasons to come back to downtown Jacksonville.
The
extra-added benefit is bringing acts or events to the area that might have skipped us in the past, but that's not the real win and I can't believe it would be put forward as such.
Quote from: RattlerGator on January 03, 2017, 07:52:16 PM
Quote from: Tacachale on January 03, 2017, 05:38:19 PM
But the real win will be if all the venues were going at the current clip and the amphitheater added shows that otherwise would have passed this market. Especially those that don't usually come here.
No, that is entirely wrong. The real win clearly is having acts or events in downtown Jacksonville that consistently bring visitors to the sports and entertainment district, period, *and* gives visitors to sporting events a reason to look for other (meaning, non-sports) reasons to come back to downtown Jacksonville.
The extra-added benefit is bringing acts or events to the area that might have skipped us in the past, but that's not the real win and I can't believe it would be put forward as such.
I don't disagree with that, but we were speaking about the cultural benefit.
Quote from: Tacachale on January 03, 2017, 05:38:19 PM
Quote from: BridgeTroll on January 03, 2017, 03:13:09 PM
Quote from: finehoe on January 03, 2017, 03:03:43 PM
Quote from: InnerCityPressure on January 03, 2017, 01:14:44 PM
Have you ever looked at the St Augustine Amphitheater schedule? Look at it right now. Foreigner, Kansas, Willie Nelson, Steve Winwood, Steve Miller Band, VANILLA ICE. This is absolutely a straight steal from St Augustine. Not sure if that's the gameplan, but that's what happened here.
I'm not disputing that. Earlier in the thread people were arguing that this new facility would bring in acts that were skipping North Florida altogether because there wasn't an appropriately sized facility for them. If all it's doing is stealing acts from St. Augustine, it doesn't seem like much of a cultural win to me.
Patience grasshopper... the thing isnt even built yet...lol
I'd agree with Finehoe - the goal shouldn't be just to "steal" acts that would be going to SA Amphitheater already, but to add more to the calendar. Of course it is likely that some acts will be "stolen" if only because the new amphitheater is better located than the one in St. Augustine (among others). But the real win will be if all the venues were going at the current clip and the amphitheater added shows that otherwise would have passed this market. Especially those that don't usually come here.
Major acts take more time to get a contract signed. Being in Florida, many of them want to come in the winter time not knowing Jacksonville is not Miami. Some can take a year to book due to regional clauses in some contracts. I remember one act always wanted to come in November and have the hotel on the north side. Why? They brought their kids with them in the winter and wanted to be near the Jacksonville Zoo.
I could care less who is or isn't stolen from St Augustine. If there are acts I am interested in, then I will go. Just less driving time to and from. If St Augustine's management is enforcing regional/mileage & timing clauses in the performers contracts, then some acts may take some time before getting into Jacksonville proper when their exclusion periods end.
The bigger news is if Rockville, Freedom Fest or Gospel Fest, Country Fest or any of the local music festivals are going to move into the venue in 2017 or 2018.
Maybe they can host COJ with Mayor Curry yelling, "Mr FDOT, tear that highway down" followed by demolition charges and fireworks as the ramps collapse before a cheering crowd. :) :)
BREAKING NEWS!
Latest design for amphitheater unveiled:
(https://www.restonnow.com/files/2017/01/8-nimes-arenes-southern-france-630x420.jpg)
Surprisingly there are people alive and well now who have fond memories of times when the Doogie Bros and Chicago were in heavy demand and rotation. Obviously it's not meant for u, or someone like me who prefers a different genres. I'm sure once this thing gets rolling, there will be an act performing in Dailys Place that'll peak your interest. ;)
Quote from: Murder_me_Rachel on January 06, 2017, 03:49:29 PM
The Doobie Bros and Chicago? I am FUCKING STOKED....if I lived in 1973.
LOL...as much as I love the Doobies Bro's and Chicago (yes I am old school), we are not living in the 70's; we need of late, and/or up to date gigs, shows, and concerts in this Amphitheater.
I think it is freeking awesome we are even able to discuss what shows are coming and what shows we would like to see. 8)
Ah, the ever-reasonable "things that don't appeal to me/my generation" are inherently lame and appeal to no one else mentality.
The tour is good enough for stops in up to 17,000 seat venues in cities like Los Angeles, Vegas, Dallas, Detroit, Boston, Toronto, Nashville, Tampa, Atlanta, but it's tOo oLd FoR JaCkSonViLLe~!
n = 1, friends.
Not exactly a large enough sample size to start making long-range inferences about the types of acts that will perform at Daily's Place.
Its all good Ken all message boards have Debbie downers and some bring their sister Nancy with them.
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The transformation is going to be really quick. Maybe the impact will be quick, too.
Glad to see it going vertical. Still not crazy about the design. But I am glad that we will have another music venue downtown.
first wave of shows announced starting May 27th
TEDESCHI TRUCKS BAND, TRAIN WITH O.A.R., DAVE MATTHEWS & TIM REYNOLDS,THIRD EYE BLIND WITH SILVERSUN PICKUPS, CHICAGO & THE DOOBIE BROTHERS, DIERKS BENTLEY WITH COLE SWINDELL & JON PARDI, FOREIGNER WITH CHEAP TRICK & JASON BONHAM'S LED ZEPPELIN EXPERIENCE, ZAC BROWN BAND, BRYAN ADAMS, GOO GOO DOLLS, 311
https://www.dailysplace.com/events/
Quotehttp://jacksonville.com/entertainment/2017-01-27/jacksonville-s-tedeschi-trucks-band-play-first-show-daily-s-place
Daily's Place is being built off the south end of the stadium. It will have about 3,500 seats on the floor level, plus two 1,000-seat balconies, with every seat in the house under cover. The first balcony will connect directly to the stadium's Bud Zone; the second will connect to the Terrace Suite level.
Some of the seats will be sold as packages, Lamping said. Personal seat licenses will be sold for about 300 seats in the lower bowl, allowing fans the right to buy the same seat for every show. Those will go for $1,000-$1,500 per year.
Seats on the upper Terrace Suite level will be offered for $3,625 per year and include ticket, food, beverage and parking.
There will also be 30 loge boxes, with 4-10 seats each, that will be offered. Those will sell for $15,000-$35,000 per year and include valet parking and tickets.
Lamping said Jaguars season ticket holders will have first crack at buying tickets for events at the amphitheater. Since there are more season ticket holders than there are seats in the new facility, he said it's possible some events could be sold out before tickets ever become available to non-season ticket holders.
What. The. Actual. Fuck.
NO. NO. NO. NO. NO.
This is some INSANE bullshit for a venue that the general public paid $45 million for.
Gonna blow up in both the Jags and the city's faces if they are serious about operating the amphitheater this way.
See you in court if true.
Quote from: Downtown Osprey on January 27, 2017, 12:23:26 PM
first wave of shows announced starting May 27th
TEDESCHI TRUCKS BAND, TRAIN WITH O.A.R., DAVE MATTHEWS & TIM REYNOLDS,THIRD EYE BLIND WITH SILVERSUN PICKUPS, CHICAGO & THE DOOBIE BROTHERS, DIERKS BENTLEY WITH COLE SWINDELL & JON PARDI, FOREIGNER WITH CHEAP TRICK & JASON BONHAM'S LED ZEPPELIN EXPERIENCE, ZAC BROWN BAND, BRYAN ADAMS, GOO GOO DOLLS, 311
https://www.dailysplace.com/events/
Yeesh.
Quote from: KenFSU on January 27, 2017, 12:58:53 PM
What. The. Actual. Fuck.
NO. NO. NO. NO. NO.
This is some INSANE bullshit for a venue that the general public paid $45 million for.
Gonna blow up in both the Jags and the city's faces if they are serious about operating the amphitheater this way.
See you in court if true.
Not sure what the outrage is all about? How is this any different than the tickets for the Jag's games themselves? Honest question.
Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on January 27, 2017, 01:16:19 PM
Quote from: KenFSU on January 27, 2017, 12:58:53 PM
What. The. Actual. Fuck.
NO. NO. NO. NO. NO.
This is some INSANE bullshit for a venue that the general public paid $45 million for.
Gonna blow up in both the Jags and the city's faces if they are serious about operating the amphitheater this way.
See you in court if true.
Not sure what the outrage is all about? How is this any different than the tickets for the Jag's games themselves? Honest question.
I've been a big proponent of this project since the beginning. A mid-sized concert venue is exactly what Jacksonville needs. The Jaguars paid half of construction costs, and I've got no issue at all if the team negotiated the right to run the facility and sell a certain number of luxury boxes or PLCs.
What I do have a
major problem with is with ticket-buying priority being given to Jaguars' season ticket holders. And I say this as a season ticket holder myself. Lamping said there's a real possibility that all the tickets could be sold to season ticket holders prior to sales opening up to the general public. The idea that the taxpayers paid $45 million for the facility and could potentially be locked out of the best concerts, or be left to fight over the scraps that season-ticket holders don't want, is insane and monopolistic. And if that was the intention all along, it should have been disclosed up front.
This is a public asset that we're talking about, not private.
"Lamping said Jaguars season ticket holders will have first crack at buying tickets for events at the amphitheater. Since there are more season ticket holders than there are seats in the new facility, he said it's possible some events could be sold out before tickets ever become available to non-season ticket holders."
So City taxpayers just funded a $45 million amphitheater that may in fact be exclusive to Jags season ticket holders. Obviously the theory here being if you want to go to concerts, get season tickets too.
RattlerGator....what is your response to this?
Quote from: tufsu1 on January 27, 2017, 02:03:40 PM
RattlerGator....what is your response to this?
This: "Hey, if Big Daddy Shad wants it, I'm all in!"
Quote from: finehoe on January 27, 2017, 02:08:23 PM
Quote from: tufsu1 on January 27, 2017, 02:03:40 PM
RattlerGator....what is your response to this?
This: "Hey, if Big Daddy Shad wants it, I'm all in!"
The fault for this doesn't lie with Shad Khan, or the Jaguars.
They are simply acting in self-interest and trying to get the best deal that they can, as any business should.
This bullshit, if true, falls
squarely on the city for agreeing to such terms and not disclosing the season-ticket clause to taxpayers upfront.
Daily's Place was a 50/50 investment, and the Jags certainly deserve their share of the revenue it drives. I don't even have a problem with pre-sale to season ticket holders, as long as it's capped at a certain, low-ish percentage of overall tickets.
But the arrangement that Lamping is speaking of is insane and predatory. I'm no legal expert, but to me, it certainly seems like an antitrust case could be made for tying.
Whoever agreed to such an arrangement should be out of a job.
If the plan is to have visiting teams' fans come here for a weekend to see a concert and a football game, how will they be able to get good tickets for the concert if they are all sold to the home teams' fans? Doesn't make much sense from a tourism standpoint.
I'm on my phone, so I'm not going to quote bits and pieces, but how does this differ from the stadium tickets? Do you not think that if they could sell every seat in a season ticket package they would? That would mean zero tickets available for the GP to see games in a publicly financed venue. This is the same exact thing, only at a smaller scale. I don't understand the outrage.
QuoteThis is a public asset that we're talking about, not private.
Riiiiiiight
I can assure you that the NFL lawyers wrote a contract that will stand up in court.
Essentially this is not an Amphitheater in the truest sense, but simply a Stadium upgrade.
The point about this not helping tourism one lick is spot on. I'm sure the folks involved with the St. Augustine venue are breathing a sigh of relief.
Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on January 27, 2017, 02:46:05 PM
I'm on my phone, so I'm not going to quote bits and pieces, but how does this differ from the stadium tickets? Do you not think that if they could sell every seat in a season ticket package they would? That would mean zero tickets available for the GP to see games in a publicly financed venue. This is the same exact thing, only at a smaller scale. I don't understand the outrage.
Maybe you're looking at the wrong part of the original quote.
The outrage isn't because season tickets are being offered at Daily's Place, where one lump sum gets you into every show of the year.
The outrage comes because
Jaguars football season ticket holders are being offered priority purchase on up to 100% of
concert tickets at Daily's Place.In antitrust terms, it's in the realm of tying (if you want the best concert tickets, you must also buy Jaguars football tickets).
The principle point is that the city is allowing a public facility that the taxpayers financed to the tune of $45 million be used as an exclusive playground for Jaguars season ticket holders.
Let's say you're not a sports fan, but you love country music. If your favorite artist comes to town, at a city-owned venue, and you don't even have the opportunity to purchase a ticket because Jaguars' season ticket holders were given exclusive right to buy them all up long before sales even opened to the general public, that's a major problem. And if your only way of getting said concert tickets is to purchase football tickets you don't want, that's gotta be an antitrust violation.
Quote from: KenFSU on January 27, 2017, 02:22:56 PM
Quote from: finehoe on January 27, 2017, 02:08:23 PM
Quote from: tufsu1 on January 27, 2017, 02:03:40 PM
RattlerGator....what is your response to this?
This: "Hey, if Big Daddy Shad wants it, I'm all in!"
The fault for this doesn't lie with Shad Khan, or the Jaguars.
Never said it did, just predicting RG's response.
Quote from: finehoe on January 27, 2017, 03:28:43 PM
Quote from: KenFSU on January 27, 2017, 02:22:56 PM
Quote from: finehoe on January 27, 2017, 02:08:23 PM
Quote from: tufsu1 on January 27, 2017, 02:03:40 PM
RattlerGator....what is your response to this?
This: "Hey, if Big Daddy Shad wants it, I'm all in!"
The fault for this doesn't lie with Shad Khan, or the Jaguars.
Never said it did, just predicting RG's response.
Sorry! Wasn't my intention to put words in your mouth.
QuoteAnd if your only way of getting said concert tickets is to purchase football tickets you don't want, that's gotta be an antitrust violation.
You realize the NFL is a legal monopoly, right?
Quote from: KenFSU on January 27, 2017, 03:25:53 PM
Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on January 27, 2017, 02:46:05 PM
I'm on my phone, so I'm not going to quote bits and pieces, but how does this differ from the stadium tickets? Do you not think that if they could sell every seat in a season ticket package they would? That would mean zero tickets available for the GP to see games in a publicly financed venue. This is the same exact thing, only at a smaller scale. I don't understand the outrage.
Maybe you're looking at the wrong part of the original quote.
No. I think I get it. Everbank is a publicly financed stadium.
If the Jaguars sold every seat to season-ticket holders, then there would be ZERO seats available for the general public. So I'm just a casual fan of football, but don't care for the Jaguars, but now I have to commit to a team I don't care for to be able to go to one game I want? I see it as the same thing.
And don't mistaken my understanding of the article to imply that I agree with it, but it makes sense to me why/how they're doing what they're doing. Being a season ticket holder is really no different than buying a sponsorship/membership to the Jax Symphony - you get prioritized seating and early purchase opportunities for every event that aren't available to the GP.
I also agree with Vic that this is being interpreted as a stadium upgrade and not a standalone amphitheater, at least from Aug to Jan.
From the Times-Union:
Quotehttp://jacksonville.com/sports/2017-01-27/starting-monday-through-feb-28-jaguars-season-ticket-holders-can-renew-without
An added benefit for season-ticket holders will be getting first dibs on buying tickets for events at Daily's Place, which opens May 27.
"It's the way we like to do business – support the people that support us," Lamping said. "We need to do everything we can to make sure, when somebody spends their hard-earned money to buy season tickets for the Jacksonville Jaguars, they get as much value as they can. To some, it might not mean anything; to others, it may mean everything."
It is conceivable diehard music fans may buy Jaguars season tickets for the sole purpose of gaining premium seats to the estimated 30-35 events at the amphitheater.
This is so incredibly wrong, it blows my mind that people don't seem up in arms about this on social media or in the comments.
Quote from: finehoe on January 27, 2017, 03:28:43 PM
This: "Hey, if Big Daddy Shad wants it, I'm all in!"
. . . just predicting RG's response.
And doing a fairly good job of it. My compliments, finehoe [there's something about typing out that name that is . . .
agreeable] on this beautiful North Florida winter day.
KenFSU, I've been burdened with a Windows 10 / internet connection issue much of the week -- and trees down from the Sunday Tallahassee storm that was scarier than the damn Hurricane Hermine -- so forgive me if I'm overly short but . . .
you? In the Bitch and Moan Brigade? Daayyyuuuummm.
What are the mathematical certainties applicable here, hmmm? Wouldn't it be prudent to see if any actual problems arise, hmmm? Highly unlikely, I suspect.
Mmmm hmmmm.
Lemme see, here: 40+ major events per year, from a wide range of acts young and old. Season ticket holders top off at 50K max, or thereabouts. Very high demand from that group for any one show would very rarely approach 5 percent of total season ticket holders. That means 2500 seats claimed for a
*high* demand show. Leaving 3000 damn seats for the general public, right? And I highly doubt if there won't be some algorithm utilized that spreads those first come, first serve seats out throughout the amphitheater and a healthy mix reserved (even if on the down low) for the general public.
Upshot?
Calm the hell down, gang. Not to get all Stephen Dare on y'all but this seems like an incredibly provincial response to a major, major positive announcement for our city. Remember, the man (Lamping) was doing something of a sales job in his pitch. You know,
bidness.
Serious bidness, in fact.
Quite smart, if you ask me, and not surprising for a world class businessman such as Lamping. Frankly, I'm very pleased I may have a priority shot at some Tedeschi Trucks tickets. Maybe we could have a MetroJax pre-party an ever'thang -- SeeWhutUmSayin' ? ? ? Sure you do. Now, back to my Windows 10 issues.
I agree with RG. This could very well just be a sales pitch. Let's wait and see if this is actually a problem, as I imagine it will be fairly obvious if it happens.
Quote from: RattlerGator on January 27, 2017, 04:40:42 PM
Quote from: finehoe on January 27, 2017, 03:28:43 PM
This: "Hey, if Big Daddy Shad wants it, I'm all in!"
. . . just predicting RG's response.
And doing a fairly good job of it. My compliments, finehoe [there's something about typing out that name that is . . . agreeable] on this beautiful North Florida winter day.
KenFSU, I've been burdened with a Windows 10 / internet connection issue much of the week -- and trees down from the Sunday Tallahassee storm that was scarier than the damn Hurricane Hermine -- so forgive me if I'm overly short but . . . you? In the Bitch and Moan Brigade? Daayyyuuuummm.
What are the mathematical certainties applicable here, hmmm? Wouldn't it be prudent to see if any actual problems arise, hmmm? Highly unlikely, I suspect.
Mmmm hmmmm.
Lemme see, here: 40+ major events per year, from a wide range of acts young and old. Season ticket holders top off at 50K max, or thereabouts. Very high demand from that group for any one show would very rarely approach 5 percent of total season ticket holders. That means 2500 seats claimed for a *high* demand show. Leaving 3000 damn seats for the general public, right? And I highly doubt if there won't be some algorithm utilized that spreads those first come, first serve seats out throughout the amphitheater and a healthy mix reserved (even if on the down low) for the general public.
Upshot? Calm the hell down, gang. Not to get all Stephen Dare on y'all but this seems like an incredibly provincial response to a major, major positive announcement for our city. Remember, the man (Lamping) was doing something of a sales job in his pitch. You know, bidness.
Serious bidness, in fact.
Quite smart, if you ask me, and not surprising for a world class businessman such as Lamping. Frankly, I'm very pleased I may have a priority shot at some Tedeschi Trucks tickets. Maybe we could have a MetroJax pre-party an ever'thang -- SeeWhutUmSayin' ? ? ? Sure you do. Now, back to my Windows 10 issues.
Looking around the 'nets, I'll admit that I'm
clearly in the minority in finding priority sales to season-ticket holders so outrageous. It's not my MO to get in a tizzy over public-private partnership. I defended FHP. I've defended the Jags on the stadium improvements, Daily's Place, the Shipyards, and Met Park. But that line from Lamping about season ticket holders potentially purchasing all tickets to a show before they are made available to the general public, to me, flew in the face of the way this project was angled from day one. Others may have interpreted it differently, but the way that I've always understood the $45 million ask was that Jacksonville would get a new publicly-owned events venue, managed by a Jags-appointed production company. The city would have access to shows that have bypassed the market for years, and the Jags would get a cut of event revenue and the opportunity to draw more fans in for long weekends. Instead, it sounds like the publicly owned venue has, for all intents and purposes, been surrendered to the Jags to do with as they please.
It's impossible to know how many season ticket holders will purchase tickets to each event, but I take one issue with your math. It assumes one ticket purchase per season ticket holder. Who goes to a concert alone? Their +1 might be a fellow season ticket holder, or it might be +3 friends who don't own season tickets. I don't even have a problem with your estimate of 2,500 (the Jags financed half of the venue, let them offer up to half of the tickets to season ticket holders), but there's nothing 50/50 about regular events exclusive to season ticket holders. And you're right, it could be no problem at all. But it could also be a very visible, very divisive problem if the biggest shows don't have tickets available to the general public.
I think we, myself included, need more clarity before making a final call.
Here are my main questions:
1) Was the City Council informed of the fact that tickets would be offered up first to season ticket holders prior to agreeing to fund the project? If so, why wasn't this news shared with the community?
2) Will the city to be free to host its own events at the Daily's Place complex, or is Bold now the sole promoter for the venue?
3) How many tickets is each season ticket holder allowed to purchase?
4) is there really no cap on the percentage of tickets that can be pre-sold to season ticket holders?
5) Will there be a mechanism in place to prevent season ticket holders from buying up tickets for high demand shows and selling them on the secondary market?
If the answers to questions #2, 3, 4 and 5 are no, 2+, yes, and no, then I think we've created a really messy situation.
If the answers are yes, 1-2, <50%, and yes then I take no issue at all.
Not trying to be a hater, I just think the new amphitheater should be a venue readily accessible to all. 5,500 isn't a lot of seats, particularly when you account for boxes, suites, etc.
Also, math is cool, and so is Windows 10 :D
Surely they only mean the concerts on the Saturdays before the games. If that is the case and the Jaguars are paying for all of the expenses, I'm ok with it. But if they start talking about doing this for every event hosted there, we have a serious problem on our hands. There is $45 million of public funds tied up in that building, it should open for everyone to use. But to be honest, I don't think the Jaguars are dumb enough to only let season ticket holders use it year round. They know that would make them enemy number one around these parts.
Yeah, lets wait and see if there's more information.
Well, I'm now dealing with the black screen of death on my desktop -- arrrgggghhh.
But, about this latest: Ken, come on! For real? Come on, man.
First: "It assumes one ticket purchase per season ticket holder." No, I don't think it does. It assumes the season ticket holding fanbase will account for no more than 50 percent of seats purchased for high-demand events. And I think that's a pretty safe presumption. But, even if using your example, you do realize, right, that an individual season ticket holder right now accounts for (on average) 1-4 tickets? So, really, your issue is already factored in via that calculation as well IMHO.
More importantly, the maddening thing about this board are the people who seem to have some default position where the public-private partnership is involved. The public sector practically NEVER has greater expertise than the private sector. Only in very limited situations will this not be true. This should mean the public sector partner is NEVER driving the train. Their role is to have certain protections of the taxpayer's money in place but, otherwise, and yes this is a broad generalization, get the hell out of the way and allow the private sector to do its thing.
Why this is the least bit problematic is beyond me. This instinct for public sector hectoring and micromanaging of these partnerships is bizarre. You don't get into a partnership like this, one designed to do precisely what this partnership has accomplished, to tie the damn hands of the private sector.
Brothers and Sisters of the proletariat, let me assure you of one thing -- if the Jaguars season ticket holders claim every damn one of those tickets for every damn one of those events, that's a very good problem for downtown Jacksonville to have. That means our urban core is HOPPING with thousands more seeking nightlife many more nights of the year.
Quit over-thinking this. Just who in the hell do you think will be purchasing these high-priced tickets anyway? And complaining if they can't get into a 5500 seat venue? Seriously, quit over-thinking this.
Word to the wise: under President Trump, we're going to be seeing a bunch more of these partnerships. You urban core transportation freaks might as well set your outrage meter down and get to figuring out how the urban infrastructure can best take advantage of this historic moment.
These private-public partnerships are great opportunities for the public to get the short end of the stick. The city's job is to make sure it gets a return commensurate with the public investment, which in this case is 50%. The public at large is investing in this facility and the public at large should damn well better have an opportunity to buy a ticket for events WITHOUT having to buy a Season Ticket for the Jags. Period.
Quote from: KenFSU on January 27, 2017, 03:38:56 PM
From the Times-Union:
Quotehttp://jacksonville.com/sports/2017-01-27/starting-monday-through-feb-28-jaguars-season-ticket-holders-can-renew-without
An added benefit for season-ticket holders will be getting first dibs on buying tickets for events at Daily's Place, which opens May 27.
"It's the way we like to do business – support the people that support us," Lamping said. "We need to do everything we can to make sure, when somebody spends their hard-earned money to buy season tickets for the Jacksonville Jaguars, they get as much value as they can. To some, it might not mean anything; to others, it may mean everything."
It is conceivable diehard music fans may buy Jaguars season tickets for the sole purpose of gaining premium seats to the estimated 30-35 events at the amphitheater.
This is so incredibly wrong, it blows my mind that people don't seem up in arms about this on social media or in the comments.
You do realize that companies like American Express that have nothing to do with the building of a performance venue sell exclusive premium seats at venues that were also public-private projects so there is definitely precedent.
But more to your thought, we better tread carefully on this idea of Jaguar season ticket exclusivity. There is the possibility that a popular act willing to perform here can have all their tix purchased by season ticket holder only to release those tix into the highly marked up re-sell market to the detriment of true fans. Hopefully the fan base would see this possibility and lobby the artist and their management to keep this from happening. In an ideal world you can convince said artist to perform a second date at Daily's Place but a more likely unintended consequence is that the touring group will call the theater out on their prick move and go to St. Augustine or bow out of the First Coast altogether. I'm hoping that Lamping was having a Paul Spicer moment sand that he misspoke and that they're still working out ticket plans.
The Braves have recently started holding concerts at the end of some of their weekend night games. For me, it doesn't bother me if season ticket holders get first dibs being constantly sold out or a high demand for tickets would be a good thing for downtown.
I know that the amphitheater will be the new hot place to have concerts, but if there are shows coming to town with vastly more demand than 5500 tickets, wouldn't they perform in the arena?
^The cost of renting, staffing, and staging an arena is always going to be significantly more expensive than the cost of running an amphitheater.
RG, for now, I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree, wait for more information, and hope for the best.
We're both on the same page that the new facility, and the Jaguars' involvement, is a massive net positive for both the city and for the long-term stability of the Jaguars in this market.
But strictly out of principle, I'll never be convinced that the city should allow the Jaguars to pre-sell more than 50% of tickets to their season ticket holders.
Quote from: remc86007 on January 28, 2017, 03:02:10 PM
I know that the amphitheater will be the new hot place to have concerts, but if there are shows coming to town with vastly more demand than 5500 tickets, wouldn't they perform in the arena?
Yes.
FYI
For the Third Eye Blind show. Citi card holders have a presale going on now. Tomorrow, Jags 365 members get a presale. Friday on sale to everybody. So, for a 42.00 tic, you'll pay I think 11.00, facility charge and 12.00 service charge at Ticketmaster, on top of the price of the ticket.
Dave Matthews tickets go on sale to the public Friday. I am guessing that sells out pretty quick.
Quote from: pierre on February 08, 2017, 08:38:11 AM
Dave Matthews tickets go on sale to the public Friday. I am guessing that sells out pretty quick.
I'm interested to see how well he still sells, especially in a city he barely ever plays.
With it being his only Florida show, I suspect it will sell well. He sold out the arena two years ago.
Quote from: pierre on February 08, 2017, 10:46:27 AM
With it being his only Florida show, I suspect it will sell well. He sold out the arena two years ago.
Good to know! Thanks!
Muse announced a 2017 amphitheater tour, hitting Tampa and WPB. No Jacksonville :(
Quote from: FSBA on February 08, 2017, 12:12:10 PM
Muse announced a 2017 amphitheater tour, hitting Tampa and WPB. No Jacksonville :(
Both of their venues are 20,000 capacity. So, not a Daily's place possibility.
Well, there is 12 days between Tampa and the Nashville shows, so it could happen.
Straight No Chaser and Postmodern Jukebox announced for August.
Also, looking at the construction cam, it looks like there is a lot of work left to complete by May.
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They going to work 7 Days a week?
Quote from: Keith-N-Jax on February 15, 2017, 07:02:48 PM
They going to work 7 Days a week?
I've seen workers there on a Saturday night.
Both previous Jags stadium projects were this way too - the Jaguars ran all three construction projects and are then responsible for the overruns, etc.
Really cool little video:
https://www.dailysplace.com/video/
Love the bit about the LEDs.
Pretty cool.
Nice vid, March, April, May, still doesn't seem like they will finish in time.
I agree, it doesn't look like they are going to make the deadline.
Perhaps I missed it previously or I'm just oblivious, but I never noticed that the roof structure is meant to resemble the bridges. Seeing the shot with the roofline and the Hart Bridge together is pretty cool.
Yeah, maybe this is one of those will look better when finish than the rendering look. I don't remember red lights being on the Matthews Bridge?
I remember there was talk one time of putting red lights on the Mathews Bridge.
It looks good on the rendering, maybe they plan to do so.
I love the LED light plan for the roof! I would be thrilled to see this idea incorporated into more downtown buildings. The BOA tower is a great start as is Friendship Fountain. If we can get the bridges to be lit up again, imagine how cool downtown will look with colored lights all throughout the core.
^ Agreed. I think lighting in general should addressed. Some of the streets are very poorly lit at night time. Just improving those make a big difference to me, especially one's that don't have much activity.
https://www.lightpollutionmap.info/#zoom=8&lat=3500867&lon=-9033295&layers=B0TFFFFF
There is never any reason, ever, to shoot outdoor lights upward. It illuminates nothing and just contributes to light pollution and energy waste.
I suspect this will be done on time.
But damn, they are going to be hustling.
Quote from: Tacachale on February 24, 2017, 10:51:12 AM
There is never any reason, ever, to shoot outdoor lights upward. It illuminates nothing and just contributes to light pollution and energy waste.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tribute_in_Light
Quote from: Tacachale on February 24, 2017, 10:51:12 AM
There is never any reason, ever, to shoot outdoor lights upward. It illuminates nothing and just contributes to light pollution and energy waste.
I think the residents of Gotham would disagree.
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For the amphitheater specifically, the video states that the LED's will be shot down on the roof, not up. Going to be a lot of fun to watch construction over the next couple of months. It's clearly going to be a mad dash to Memorial Day. It's fast approaching and we still have only a partial superstructure, with no roof, no practice field, no enormous sliding glass panels, no lighting, no connection between the stadium and new facilities, and no amphitheater. Queue up the construction cams and grab your popcorn, friends.
Quote from: KenFSU on February 25, 2017, 01:50:45 PM
For the amphitheater specifically, the video states that the LED's will be shot down on the roof, not up. Going to be a lot of fun to watch construction over the next couple of months. It's clearly going to be a mad dash to Memorial Day. It's fast approaching and we still have only a partial superstructure, with no roof, no practice field, no enormous sliding glass panels, no lighting, no connection between the stadium and new facilities, and no amphitheater. Queue up the construction cams and grab your popcorn, friends.
A "mad dash" to Memorial Day? Certainly, you meant to say a "Daily's Dash" to Memorial Day! ;)
Pleased to see the fears about priority ticket access proved to be unfounded.
Shows by Diana Ross, Lady Antebellum, Counting Crows, and Matchbox 20 recently announced.
Also, I'm calling it now, based solely on the eyeball test:
I don't think this thing opens on time.
Quote from: KenFSU on March 30, 2017, 10:32:44 PM
Also, I'm calling it now, based solely on the eyeball test:
I don't think this thing opens on time.
Moving all the shows would be a disaster!
Quote from: KenFSU on March 30, 2017, 10:32:44 PM
Also, I'm calling it now, based solely on the eyeball test:
I don't think this thing opens on time.
I doubt it. I think Khan will pay whatever he needs to pay to ensure this thing opens on time.
Have you driven by Universal Studios recently? They are opening a waterpark right by I-4 called Volcano Bay. It opens in May too just before Memorial Day and it has looked no where near ready for a while now but in the last month or so has really come together. I think it can be done.
You know, this thing appears to already be a success even before it's open. I grew up in Melbourne and I have seen numerous Facebook posts by people that still live there planning to come up here for some of these shows. A friend just texted me this morning that they are coming up and asked if we wanted to go.
Quote from: pierre on March 31, 2017, 09:32:42 AM
Quote from: KenFSU on March 30, 2017, 10:32:44 PM
Also, I'm calling it now, based solely on the eyeball test:
I don't think this thing opens on time.
I doubt it. I think Khan will pay whatever he needs to pay to ensure this thing opens on time.
True. Barring a weather catastrophe, the fact that none of the opening weeks have showed any concern is a good sign that things are currently on schedule and that Bold Events will do what it can to make it happen. Dave Matthews Band has been a total sellout for months now and the other acts that week are getting close to that.
Another observation is that the St. Augustine Amphitheater seems to be taking it in the gut with Daily's Place coming on line. They are top-heavy loaded for events in April and May but there's a big drop-off of acts starting June. They still have a decent amount of shows lined up this summer but there is no comparison to what they booked last summer compared to this summer's slate of shows so far. It's a little early to call Daily's Place the victor of the amphitheater war (we'll see how football season effects future fall bookings) but Daily's Place is certainly making it's mark.
Khan mentioned the construction timeline during an interview at the owner's meetings and he seems to indicate that the construction would be "complete" before the opening dates, so I'm guessing they will be able to host the shows while they wrap up construction.
Re: St Aug Ampitheater, I saw a piece on one of the local news stations the other day with the GM, Ryan Murphy, and he suggested the competition would be a great thing to broaden the base of shows (of course he would say that). He also showed the constant upgrades they are making to their space to keep a top notch audience experience. And he argued that the venues are different in what they offer...one is an urban venue, the other is more about beaches and nature.
The one concern he had was over bidding wars...if the two venues start to increase artist fees in attempts to win over the same artists, then those additional costs would be passed on to the customers.
St. Aug Amp is a dead man walking. No way will the be able to survive a bidding war, so threatening one doesn't really matter.
^The "experience" thing is a wash, too. While the St. Augustine Amphitheater is near the "beach and nature", it's also on a busy road surrounded by houses. Hence why the shows end by 10 p.m.
On the other hand, there's no reason both shouldn't continue to make money. There are more than enough people in the metro area for that. They'd just need to focus on different artists and trying to get others to come here who might otherwise pass us by. It remains to be seen if they'll actually do that.
Bidding wars are inevitable it seems, and the combination of a newer, presumably nicer facility with more seats and easier parking which is closer to the bulk of the area's population seems deadly.
I've been to the St. Augustine amphitheater once and I wasn't particularly impressed. Selling obstructed view seats is an odd choice and--at the concert I was at--led to people standing up and blocking other people's view.
Quote from: JaxJersey-licious on March 31, 2017, 10:48:50 AM
It's a little early to call Daily's Place the victor of the amphitheater war (we'll see how football season effects future fall bookings) but Daily's Place is certainly making it's mark.
The football season is only gonna rev up the atmosphere even more. On the Jags State of the Franchise, Mark Lamping talked about 'making a weekend' of the multiple events "football and music" all tied in together. It's gonna be something else.
Honestly, I'm not sure if the St. Augustine Amphitheater could compete with Daily's Place in a bidding war. At least not regularly. An aging 4,100 seat venue vs. a brand new, amenity-loaded 5,500 seat urban venue. I think we'll see Daily's Place hold fewer shows with bigger, more mainstream names (Diana Ross, Lady Antebellum, etc.), and St. Augustine continue to hold more frequent mid-sized and niche shows. Personally, I think there's plenty of room for everybody.
Will Dailys place be completely under roof too?
I honestly think both venues will do OK in the long run. What sucks for St. Augustine amp is that unlike Daily's Place which is a public/private partnership, SA amp is entirely owned operated and sponsored by the city and county and had finally been able to be self supported by the increasing number of events it held (it was a top 50 attended amphitheater in the country despite its size and not offering cheaper higher capacity lawn space). Keep in mind Atlanta has 3 similar venues of equal and greater size plus Phillips Arena and they're all doing just fine.
What could really set SA amp apart would be to do more lower key multi-day festivals like the one going on now. They may lose more of the bigger draws to Daily's but they offer camping and a chance for visitors to check out the Island or Old Town is perfect for drawing more visitors that stick around longer and hopefully visit again.
I saw this earlier to day and thought it was kind of relevant to the discussion.
It could go in the DanDTM thread also, but this looks like that 'alternative' tier event that we might really be pushing to get:
http://www.bizjournals.com/jacksonville/news/2017/03/03/jaguars-to-host-first-e-sports-gaming-event-at.html
QuoteThe Jacksonville Jaguars are one of eight NFL markets hosting a branch of the Madden 17 Club Series e-sports competitive gaming tournament this Saturday. The contest will take place at Everbank Field in the US Assure Club East using the state-of-the-art NanoLumens LED displays measuring 19 feet by 11 feet.
E-sports, or electronic sports, is competitive gaming that takes place on personal computers or video game consoles across multiple genres of games.
"It's [e-gaming] the potential sport of the future," said Matt Marcou, Madden competitive gaming commissioner. "This is the second year that [Electronic Arts] has formally run a championship."
The Madden e-sports event is the first of its kind at Everbank Field, and renovations were made with hosting events like this one in mind.
Larry Rosen, Senior Executive Producer for the Jaguars, said it was a "no-brainer" to host the event when the Jaguars were approached by EA Sports, Madden NFL and Twitch, a streaming video platform owned by Amazon. He added that about 75-100 employees will be needed for the event for everything from the events staff to technical crews.
Three more shows added yesterday. Journey. Young the Giant. And Lifehouse/Switchfoot. Nice diversity there.
Switchfoot lol
44 days left.
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Funny you posted this, after watching the vid on the Jags site I was wonder what the site looked like, still don't see how they finish in time
Well remember, they never said the flex field was going to be done by Memorial Day. Only the Amphitheatre.
Quote from: Steve on April 15, 2017, 04:18:33 PM
Well remember, they never said the flex field was going to be done by Memorial Day. Only the Amphitheatre.
Also, as I attempted to state in my previous post, Khan was saying the amphitheater would only be ready to host shows, but not necessarily entirely 100% final punch list complete.
^ maybe so, but the flex field appears to be easier to complete than the ampitheater.
Jags confirmed yesterday that construction is on schedule for the amphitheater, and the flex field will be completed six weeks after the amphitheater opens.
People keep curiously doubting these professionals. Quite bizarre.
^ Not sure if it's doubt as much as amazement due to having watched many projects less than half the size take twice as long.
Khan has shown time after time he doesn't like things to drag on and they will be completed when he says they will. The Empire State Building was built in 410 days. Meanwhile Berkman II is pushing 10 years... Lol
The key (for me, at least) is the unreserved "we are on schedule" news. Why doubt them? Why keep talking about other projects they weren't involved with? The FlexField superstructure seems to be clearly throwing off many folks. Little more than one month away for Tedeschi Trucks. We'll know soon.
More just curious than doubt, I am sure most on here want it to excel. You seem to be taking this a little to serious.
Supposedly, the last major piece of steel went up today. Also, walls have started to go up on the flex field. Progress is being made with 38 days until opening day.
https://twitter.com/dailysplace/status/854765813764587530 (https://twitter.com/dailysplace/status/854765813764587530)
QuoteKings of Leon is slated to perform in Jacksonville in October.
The band is scheduled to perform at at Daily's Place Wednesday, Oct. 25.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-2jqpQWAAAtL9b.jpg:large)
Seats have started to go in for the amphitheater. 24 days until opening weekend.
https://twitter.com/dailysplace/status/859523064874323968 (https://twitter.com/dailysplace/status/859523064874323968)
Quote from: Keith-N-Jax on April 19, 2017, 05:43:34 PM
More just curious than doubt, I am sure most on here want it to excel. You seem to be taking this a little to serious.
+1.
Still having a hard time seeing how this becomes a complete, fully-functional amphitheater in 23 days:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C_AcqD3UQAAPBlx.jpg:large)
Quote from: KenFSU on May 05, 2017, 10:11:47 PM
Still having a hard time seeing how this becomes a complete, fully-functional amphitheater in 23 days:
It helps to see where they were roughly 25 days ago and how much progress they have made since. At that time, they had half the steel to put up over the amphitheater still, and they didn't have those buildings, or anything resembling a stage. Since then, the steel work has been completed, and the area is completely covered now. Seats have started to go in now. If you look at the corners of the stage, you can see they are getting ready to put up the supports for lighting. It is closer than it looks, and they are working 24/7 to finish it. Seems to me like they are right on schedule.
Right click and select open image in new tab to view larger versions of pictures below.
Here was 25 days ago on April 10th:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C9D0abCV0AAVXsK.jpg:large)
Here was Wednesday May 3rd:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C_AcqD3UQAAPBlx.jpg:large)
And here is what the final product is supposed to look like come May 27th:
(http://populous.com/wp-content/uploads/DD_Populous_JJ_VIew05_Concert2_2016_08_16-Extras.jpg)
^Thanks for the info!
Just saw a new Times-Union article on the progress.
Sounds more promising than just looking at the pictures.
http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2017-05-02/jaguars-hustle-have-amphitheater-ready-may-27-debut
A couple of interesting notes:
1) Costs are expected to exceed the $90 million originally stated, with the Jags covering all overrun costs.
2) Per the article, "It won't have a video board over the center of the stage as originally planned. Live Nation, a concert promotion company, advised that the board would interfere with show production of concerts, according to the Jaguars' January update to the city. Sobic said the wiring will be in place for temporary video boards as needed." Didn't quite understand this note. I don't think I've ever seen a render of Daily's Place that included a video board over the center of the stage, just two boards flanking either side of the stage. I hope they don't mean that they're removing these boards.
3) "The Jaguars decided to add a glass insert in the elevated walkway between EverBank Field and the amphitheater, so people will be able to look down at the level below, a sensation akin to being in a glass-bottomed boat."
4) "Daily's, the convenience-store chain that is the venue's corporate sponsor, will be building a store in the bowl of the amphitheater." Having a tough time visualizing how this will work.
5) A cigar lounge is also being added to Daily's Place.
Should be an awesome venue when it opens.
It won't have a video board? Might be some extra large ones nearby!
They could sell any overflow tickets for the stadium seats and watch the show in there!
That's very cool, I am sure this will be nice addition to the city. When the Trio, shipyards come along you can the potential Jax has. Need sky-way to finally live up to its potential.
Quote from: Keith-N-Jax on April 19, 2017, 05:43:34 PM
More just curious than doubt, I am sure most on here want it to excel. You seem to be taking this a little to serious.
I don't think I was taking it too seriously. I was really directing my comment more at the ever-skeptical
[when it comes to Shad, at least] tufsu1 who thought it easier to complete the Flex Field before the amphitheater (responding to the reminder the theater will be finished before the exhibition hall / flex field, he wrote: maybe so, but the flex field appears to be easier to complete than the ampitheater).
That take was, and remains, bizarre to me. YMMV, and that's cool.
In a few weeks I'm hoping to soak in that Tedeschi Trucks concert and enjoy a great addition to this city that will be a one-of-a-kind facility in this nation (I think).
Jacksonville is getting ready to boom. The opening of this facility is the marker for the beginning of that boom.
So there will be a convenience store inside the amphitheater?? The typical Jags/Jax haters in the news and sports writing community will likely get a chuckle out of that.
I assume it will be just like the one currently in the stadium, which is just essentially a concession stand.
Quote from: pierre on May 08, 2017, 09:52:59 AM
I assume it will be just like the one currently in the stadium, which is just essentially a concession stand.
Exactly! It will be very similar to the one in the stadium. Those convenient stores generate a lot of sales. I was in Vegas last year and saw many of these kiosks set up as you walk into another hotel.
I'm going to be curious to see the space that functions as the lobby. Basic? Creative? Magnificent?
Quote from: Captain Zissou on May 08, 2017, 09:41:52 AM
So there will be a convenience store inside the amphitheater?? The typical Jags/Jax haters in the news and sports writing community will likely get a chuckle out of that.
The cheesiest amphitheater name ever still goes to Tampa; 1 800 ASK GARY Amphitheatre. It's now called the MidFlorida Credit Union Amphitheatre.
That's a horrible name
Speaking of cheesy, and forgive me for dropping in a convo from another thread, but maybe it's time for USF to make a rather obvious name change. I mean, my goodness -- the Mid Florida Credit Union Amphitheatre? Not the South Florida Credit Union Amphitheatre?
Well, I hear the name "University of West Central Florida" is still available.
Quote from: RattlerGator on May 09, 2017, 08:30:50 AM
Speaking of cheesy, and forgive me for dropping in a convo from another thread, but maybe it's time for USF to make a rather obvious name change. I mean, my goodness -- the Mid Florida Credit Union Amphitheatre? Not the South Florida Credit Union Amphitheatre?
Well, I hear the name "University of West Central Florida" is still available.
Well, MidFlorida Credit Union is based in Lakeland (not Tampa). Lakeland is closer to the middle of the state than Tampa is.
Anyway, Tampa
is appears to be located in the southern half of the state (don't have a tape measure to hand). Of course, we know that this is not why the name USF was chosen. It was chosen either a) because it was the southernmost university in the state system at the time or b) because people in Tampa have a massive chip on their shoulder about Miami ;D
Quote from: Adam White on May 09, 2017, 08:54:05 AM
Quote from: RattlerGator on May 09, 2017, 08:30:50 AM
Speaking of cheesy, and forgive me for dropping in a convo from another thread, but maybe it's time for USF to make a rather obvious name change. I mean, my goodness -- the Mid Florida Credit Union Amphitheatre? Not the South Florida Credit Union Amphitheatre?
Well, I hear the name "University of West Central Florida" is still available.
Well, MidFlorida Credit Union is based in Lakeland (not Tampa). Lakeland is closer to the middle of the state than Tampa is.
Anyway, Tampa is appears to be located in the southern half of the state (don't have a tape measure to hand). Of course, we know that this is not why the name USF was chosen. It was chosen either a) because it was the southernmost university in the state system at the time or b) because people in Tampa have a massive chip on their shoulder about Miami ;D
When USF was chartered in 1962, there were only 3 public universities under the Florida Board of Control.
Florida State (originally called West Florida Seminary)
Florida (originally called East Florida Seminary)
Florida Agra and Mechanical (FAMU)
University of Miami is a Jesuit school and wasnt under public control.
So USF was really "the public school south of Gainesville" at the time. Orlando was still a whistle stop orange grove.
The last one to charter was FGCU in 1991 in Ft Myers.
You forgot about Florida Poly in Lakeland.
Quote from: spuwho on May 09, 2017, 12:28:08 PM
Quote from: Adam White on May 09, 2017, 08:54:05 AM
Quote from: RattlerGator on May 09, 2017, 08:30:50 AM
Speaking of cheesy, and forgive me for dropping in a convo from another thread, but maybe it's time for USF to make a rather obvious name change. I mean, my goodness -- the Mid Florida Credit Union Amphitheatre? Not the South Florida Credit Union Amphitheatre?
Well, I hear the name "University of West Central Florida" is still available.
Well, MidFlorida Credit Union is based in Lakeland (not Tampa). Lakeland is closer to the middle of the state than Tampa is.
Anyway, Tampa is appears to be located in the southern half of the state (don't have a tape measure to hand). Of course, we know that this is not why the name USF was chosen. It was chosen either a) because it was the southernmost university in the state system at the time or b) because people in Tampa have a massive chip on their shoulder about Miami ;D
When USF was chartered in 1962, there were only 3 public universities under the Florida Board of Control.
Florida State (originally called West Florida Seminary)
Florida (originally called East Florida Seminary)
Florida Agra and Mechanical (FAMU)
University of Miami is a Jesuit school and wasnt under public control.
So USF was really "the public school south of Gainesville" at the time. Orlando was still a whistle stop orange grove.
The last one to charter was FGCU in 1991 in Ft Myers.
I know all of that. The facts are still contested by some...
Quote from: thelakelander on May 09, 2017, 01:21:21 PM
You forgot about Florida Poly in Lakeland.
It was originally chartered as USF Poly in 1988 and its charter amended in 2012.
There is some dispute it seems in the Florida University System on what should be used as the "founding" date.
For example UF didnt actually start functioning as East Florida Seminary until 1856, but the charter was issued by Congress in 1839.
The old Florida Board of Control used to use the date it opened on the seal until FSU broke ranks and changed it to their original charter date. Naturally UF followed and the same, even though 20 years had passed between the charter issuance and the first day of classes.
It was a branch campus of USF originally. If the branch campuses are included, quite a few campuses have been chartered across the state since 1991.
Quote from: spuwho on May 09, 2017, 02:10:10 PM
Quote from: thelakelander on May 09, 2017, 01:21:21 PM
You forgot about Florida Poly in Lakeland.
It was originally chartered as USF Poly in 1988 and its charter amended in 2012.
There is some dispute it seems in the Florida University System on what should be used as the "founding" date.
For example UF didnt actually start functioning as East Florida Seminary until 1856, but the charter was issued by Congress in 1839.
The old Florida Board of Control used to use the date it opened on the seal until FSU broke ranks and changed it to their original charter date. Naturally UF followed and the same, even though 20 years had passed between the charter issuance and the first day of classes.
Florida Poly is murky in that the state effectively dissolved USF's Lakeland branch to create it. The campus is on different property than where USF Lakeland was for most of its existence (it was acquired for USF Lakeland a few years before the plans to create a separate campus came together). I believe they are using 2012 as the founding date.
Each school uses a different date for their "founding", which gets silly sometimes. Some use when they were chartered, some when they opened. FSU's is just a plain lie.
Congress authorized two seminaries in 1836, but Florida made no plans for them until the 1850s. 1851 was the date when the legislature authorized their creation. East Florida Seminary, the predecessor to UF, opened in 1853. West Florida Seminary (FSU) opened in Tallahassee in 1857. In 1905, the state reorganized education in the state. Several schools were merged into a white men's college in Gainesville, becoming the modern UF, and the Tallahassee school became a white women's college. For many years, FSU used the 1857 date. UF used the 1905 date for a while, but didn't like that it didn't reflect their earlier history (and made FSU look older). So they adopted 1853 as the date the first of their predecessors opened. Not to be outdone, FSU adopted 1851 as the date both they and UF were founded, which is, well, false. UF won't use the 1851 date because it would legitimize FSU's claim to be just as old as they are. It's more just another way for the schools to one-up each other.
Quote from: thelakelander on May 09, 2017, 02:19:13 PM
It was a branch campus of USF originally. If the branch campuses are included, quite a few campuses have been chartered across the state since 1991.
True. UF has branches in almost every county, for one thing.
Quote from: Captain Zissou on May 08, 2017, 09:41:52 AM
So there will be a convenience store inside the amphitheater?? The typical Jags/Jax haters in the news and sports writing community will likely get a chuckle out of that.
I was in the basement of the stadium this afternoon, behind the amphitheater, and I can confirm that the Daily's is a legitimate retail store that they are constructing, not a kiosk or concession stand. It is being built right in between the player entrance in the south end zone, and the amphitheater. It is roughly the same size as the clothing stores they have throughout the stadium.
After the Jumbo Shrimp game yesterday, I walked over to look at the construction of Dailys Place.
I still can't believe there are going to be shows there in just over two weeks. There were a ton of people working. But also there appears to be a lot of work left to do.
Big names added to the lineup every week! (https://imgur.com/gallery/dYDmr)
Quote from: copperfiend on May 11, 2017, 09:17:09 AM
After the Jumbo Shrimp game yesterday, I walked over to look at the construction of Dailys Place.
I still can't believe there are going to be shows there in just over two weeks. There were a ton of people working. But also there appears to be a lot of work left to do.
I feel like demanding pictures, please, but heck, I'll be in town midweek. Hopefully they'll be making serious progress each remaining day.
Quote from: RattlerGator on May 13, 2017, 05:58:18 PM
Quote from: copperfiend on May 11, 2017, 09:17:09 AM
After the Jumbo Shrimp game yesterday, I walked over to look at the construction of Dailys Place.
I still can't believe there are going to be shows there in just over two weeks. There were a ton of people working. But also there appears to be a lot of work left to do.
I feel like demanding pictures, please, but heck, I'll be in town midweek. Hopefully they'll be making serious progress each remaining day.
Why the demand? Just go here:
https://www.dailysplace.com/earthcam/ (https://www.dailysplace.com/earthcam/)
And you can watch construction yourself all day at work.
The Meek Mill & Yo Gotti tour coming to Daily's Place really alarms me. Read up a lil with some research and history concerning these gangsta rappers before going all liberal on me; predictively claiming I'm an 'obic' or 'ist' of your choosing... I listen to hip hop, but I know how negative alot of it can be (esp these days). There are rap acts out there that don't engage into negativeness as well. I hope that nothing goes down during that show, but I won't be surprised if it does.
Quote from: spuwho on May 13, 2017, 10:53:20 PM
Quote from: RattlerGator on May 13, 2017, 05:58:18 PM
Quote from: copperfiend on May 11, 2017, 09:17:09 AM
After the Jumbo Shrimp game yesterday, I walked over to look at the construction of Dailys Place.
I still can't believe there are going to be shows there in just over two weeks. There were a ton of people working. But also there appears to be a lot of work left to do.
I feel like demanding pictures, please, but heck, I'll be in town midweek. Hopefully they'll be making serious progress each remaining day.
Why the demand? Just go here:
https://www.dailysplace.com/earthcam/ (https://www.dailysplace.com/earthcam/)
And you can watch construction yourself all day at work.
Are all the shots just of the roof? I guess there is no way to see inside.
Quote from: I-10east on May 15, 2017, 01:08:59 AM
The Meek Mill & Yo Gotti tour coming to Daily's Place really alarms me. Read up a lil with some research and history concerning these gangsta rappers before going all liberal on me; predictively claiming I'm an 'obic' or 'ist' of your choosing... I listen to hip hop, but I know how negative alot of it can be (esp these days). There are rap acts out there that don't engage into negativeness as well. I hope that nothing goes down during that show, but I won't be surprised if it does.
Seriously?? Hip Hop acts come through jax all the time without incident. Whether at Suite, Mavericks, the Arena, the amphitheater.... Meek Mill isn't even gangsta. He's afraid of Drake!!
I won't be worried unless an act like ICP books the place...
Edit: Or Elvis. This city can't handle those hips again.
Quote from: Captain Zissou on May 15, 2017, 09:02:16 AM
Quote from: I-10east on May 15, 2017, 01:08:59 AM
The Meek Mill & Yo Gotti tour coming to Daily's Place really alarms me. Read up a lil with some research and history concerning these gangsta rappers before going all liberal on me; predictively claiming I'm an 'obic' or 'ist' of your choosing... I listen to hip hop, but I know how negative alot of it can be (esp these days). There are rap acts out there that don't engage into negativeness as well. I hope that nothing goes down during that show, but I won't be surprised if it does.
Seriously?? Hip Hop acts come through jax all the time without incident. Whether at Suite, Mavericks, the Arena, the amphitheater.... Meek Mill isn't even gangsta. He's afraid of Drake!!
LOL.
Quote from: I-10east on May 15, 2017, 01:08:59 AM
The Meek Mill & Yo Gotti tour coming to Daily's Place really alarms me. Read up a lil with some research and history concerning these gangsta rappers before going all liberal on me; predictively claiming I'm an 'obic' or 'ist' of your choosing... I listen to hip hop, but I know how negative alot of it can be (esp these days). There are rap acts out there that don't engage into negativeness as well. I hope that nothing goes down during that show, but I won't be surprised if it does.
You seem like you'd prefer wholesome country acts that love 'Merica:
Drunken Chesney fans leave 48 tons of garbage in Pittsburgh
http://triblive.com/news/allegheny/10719475-74/concert-alcohol-amount (http://triblive.com/news/allegheny/10719475-74/concert-alcohol-amount)
Meek Mill being classified as "Gangsta" is cracking me up.
Quote from: johnnyliar on May 15, 2017, 12:49:50 PM
Meek Mill being classified as "Gangsta" is cracking me up.
Your avatar is perfect for this.
Quote from: spuwho on May 13, 2017, 10:53:20 PM
Why the demand? Just go here:
https://www.dailysplace.com/earthcam/ (https://www.dailysplace.com/earthcam/)
And you can watch construction yourself all day at work.
Yeah, I am nerdacious enough to have already checked that out regularly. But the interior is my curiosity, including the lobby that will also have a convenience store within.
Mary J. Blige and Lalah Hathway coming August 23rd ??? My, my, my.
The Mary J Blidge tour coming to Daily's Place really alarms me. Read up a lil with some research and history concerning Mary she used to be signed to Bad Boy back in the 90s, that's the label Biggie was on before he was murdered due to his gangster rap. Before going all liberal on me; predictively claiming I'm an 'obic' or 'ist' of your choosing... I listen to hip hop and have black friends, but I know how negative a lot of it can be (esp these days). There are r&b acts out there that don't engage into negativeness as well. I hope that nothing goes down during that show, but I won't be surprised if it does.
No ones concerned about Kidz Bop coming? Have you heard their music? They make all of these "gangsters" look like angels.
Quote from: JaGoaT on May 15, 2017, 11:30:11 PM
The Mary J Blidge tour coming to Daily's Place really alarms me. Read up a lil with some research and history concerning Mary she used to be signed to Bad Boy back in the 90s, that's the label Biggie was on before he was murdered due to his gangster rap. Before going all liberal on me; predictively claiming I'm an 'obic' or 'ist' of your choosing... I listen to hip hop and have black friends, but I know how negative a lot of it can be (esp these days). There are r&b acts out there that don't engage into negativeness as well. I hope that nothing goes down during that show, but I won't be surprised if it does.
First of all, Mary J Blige was never signed to Bad Boy records. Second of all, there is nothing remotely "gangster" about Mary J Blige.
I can appreciate being concerned about Death Row records - that was a company run by an actual gangster. But Bad Boy records had all sorts of fairly mild and non-controversial artists - like Mase and Craig Mack, for example.
Anyway - I don't need to call you a racist. Your post does that for you.
Edit: this totally flew over my head. Sorry. I get it now.
Quote from: Adam White on May 16, 2017, 03:02:13 AM
Quote from: JaGoaT on May 15, 2017, 11:30:11 PM
The Mary J Blidge tour coming to Daily's Place really alarms me. Read up a lil with some research and history concerning Mary she used to be signed to Bad Boy back in the 90s, that's the label Biggie was on before he was murdered due to his gangster rap. Before going all liberal on me; predictively claiming I'm an 'obic' or 'ist' of your choosing... I listen to hip hop and have black friends, but I know how negative a lot of it can be (esp these days). There are r&b acts out there that don't engage into negativeness as well. I hope that nothing goes down during that show, but I won't be surprised if it does.
First of all, Mary J Blige was never signed to Bad Boy records. Second of all, there is nothing remotely "gangster" about Mary J Blige.
I can appreciate being concerned about Death Row records - that was a company run by an actual gangster. But Bad Boy records had all sorts of fairly mild and non-controversial artists - like Mase and Craig Mack, for example.
Anyway - I don't need to call you a racist. Your post does that for you.
Re-read I-10's post and then that one.
Quote from: Adam White on May 16, 2017, 03:02:13 AM
Quote from: JaGoaT on May 15, 2017, 11:30:11 PM
The Mary J Blidge tour coming to Daily's Place really alarms me. Read up a lil with some research and history concerning Mary she used to be signed to Bad Boy back in the 90s, that's the label Biggie was on before he was murdered due to his gangster rap. Before going all liberal on me; predictively claiming I'm an 'obic' or 'ist' of your choosing... I listen to hip hop and have black friends, but I know how negative a lot of it can be (esp these days). There are r&b acts out there that don't engage into negativeness as well. I hope that nothing goes down during that show, but I won't be surprised if it does.
First of all, Mary J Blige was never signed to Bad Boy records. Second of all, there is nothing remotely "gangster" about Mary J Blige.
I can appreciate being concerned about Death Row records - that was a company run by an actual gangster. But Bad Boy records had all sorts of fairly mild and non-controversial artists - like Mase and Craig Mack, for example.
Anyway - I don't need to call you a racist. Your post does that for you.
Craig Mack? The last thing we need in Jacksonville is flava in ya ear.
Smh at these posts. I've been listening to Mary J since the early 1990s. This is the first time I've ever heard someone tie her in with "gansta rap". People will wet their pants the day they book a NWA or Death Row reunion tour.
Quote from: Tacachale on May 16, 2017, 08:21:08 AM
Quote from: Adam White on May 16, 2017, 03:02:13 AM
Quote from: JaGoaT on May 15, 2017, 11:30:11 PM
The Mary J Blidge tour coming to Daily's Place really alarms me. Read up a lil with some research and history concerning Mary she used to be signed to Bad Boy back in the 90s, that's the label Biggie was on before he was murdered due to his gangster rap. Before going all liberal on me; predictively claiming I'm an 'obic' or 'ist' of your choosing... I listen to hip hop and have black friends, but I know how negative a lot of it can be (esp these days). There are r&b acts out there that don't engage into negativeness as well. I hope that nothing goes down during that show, but I won't be surprised if it does.
First of all, Mary J Blige was never signed to Bad Boy records. Second of all, there is nothing remotely "gangster" about Mary J Blige.
I can appreciate being concerned about Death Row records - that was a company run by an actual gangster. But Bad Boy records had all sorts of fairly mild and non-controversial artists - like Mase and Craig Mack, for example.
Anyway - I don't need to call you a racist. Your post does that for you.
Re-read I-10's post and then that one.
:-[
Quote from: pierre on May 16, 2017, 08:21:57 AM
Quote from: Adam White on May 16, 2017, 03:02:13 AM
Quote from: JaGoaT on May 15, 2017, 11:30:11 PM
The Mary J Blidge tour coming to Daily's Place really alarms me. Read up a lil with some research and history concerning Mary she used to be signed to Bad Boy back in the 90s, that's the label Biggie was on before he was murdered due to his gangster rap. Before going all liberal on me; predictively claiming I'm an 'obic' or 'ist' of your choosing... I listen to hip hop and have black friends, but I know how negative a lot of it can be (esp these days). There are r&b acts out there that don't engage into negativeness as well. I hope that nothing goes down during that show, but I won't be surprised if it does.
First of all, Mary J Blige was never signed to Bad Boy records. Second of all, there is nothing remotely "gangster" about Mary J Blige.
I can appreciate being concerned about Death Row records - that was a company run by an actual gangster. But Bad Boy records had all sorts of fairly mild and non-controversial artists - like Mase and Craig Mack, for example.
Anyway - I don't need to call you a racist. Your post does that for you.
Craig Mack? The last thing we need in Jacksonville is flava in ya ear.
I miss the 90s sometimes.
Ohh jeeze. Youz Guyz!!!
Methinks the trolls are marching through this thread......
So....we think they'll finish in time for opening weekend?
(subtle attempt to get this back on track)
Quote from: sanmarcomatt on May 16, 2017, 08:42:29 AM
and just in case....AW- this was sarcasm, eh?
Thanks. I had already engaged CAPS LOCK and was about to pounce...
Quote from: Steve on May 16, 2017, 09:09:34 AM
So....we think they'll finish in time for opening weekend?
(subtle attempt to get this back on track)
I really hope so!
All snark aside, we've got to give kudos to Bold Events and everyone else involved in the amphitheater programming. They've outdone themselves selling the venue to touring companies and established a nice diversity of acts (would really be nice if they could get some Latino artists) and the ticket buying public has responded in kind.
A quick crunch of the numbers show that based on current scheduled acts and advanced tickets sold, Daily's Place is on pace to be one of the top 25 outdoor amphitheaters in the country when you factor in the possibility of events for Florida-Georgia, Jags home game weekends, and a possible big-time New Year's Eve bowl game event. No small feat given that they haven't even held a concert yet and are competing with another regional established outdoor concert venue with its fair share of sold out shows. We'll see if they can maintain this pace (many of these acts may have been offered reduced fees or incentives to be performance pioneers), but so far this is looking like a win-win public-private partnership.
Shad Khan / Mark Lamping/ Jaguars organization -- they don't half-ass, gang. We need to go ahead and give them their props.
They generated a *really* creative solution to a situation that presented multiple problems in downtown Jax. That's no small feat. And are promising more creative solutions to come.
Story from yesterday:
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/dailys-place-inching-closer-construction-completion/439840073
Two of the four pictures they posted:
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Might just be me but I'm going to love checking that place out. I'm already trying to figure out a way to get a FAMU performance of some sort put in there.
Looks very nice, cant wait to see night views while driving down from the Hart Bridge. Still lots of work to do!!!
The race to finish enters the final stretch:
http://www.actionnewsjax.com/news/local/dailys-place-amphitheater-to-open-may-27/523668740
Good P.R. piece from a trade magazine:
http://www.venuestoday.com/news/detail/jaguars-daily-place-to-open-may-27
Damn, maybe I need to join the Jaguars staff.
That's pretty good if 75% of people purchasing tickets have never been to a Jag game, the more people venturing into DT the better
Looks like the color-changing LED's for the roof have been installed:
https://twitter.com/dailysplace/status/867411887067103233
Daily's Place is going to look really nice at night, particularly from the bridges.
D-Day is near and the show will go on.
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"Daily's Place will be open and ready to welcome live music fans this Saturday," said Jaguars and Bold Events President Mark Lamping. "We're eager to introduce Northeast Florida to this new venue and kick off a full year of concerts and events featuring a diversity of musical genres. Daily's Place is a landmark project in the ongoing revitalization of downtown Jacksonville, and we're thrilled to open our doors and turn up the volume."
https://www.dailysplace.com/text/2017/5/24/dailys-place-readies-for-inaugural-weekend-shows
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Lamping emphasized the uniqueness of the 5,500-seat facility, saying that the sightlines will be superior to other venues of its size. Balconies are 115 feet from the stage with what Lamping called "the worst seat in the house" only 150 feet from the front of the stage.
"Our partners at LiveNation were in here this week and they were just blown away," Lamping said.
https://www.dailysplace.com/text/2017/5/24/jaguars-and-bold-events-president-mark-lamping-on-saturdays-opening-of-dailys-place-we-will-open-saturday-and-its-going-to-be-a-spectacular-experience
I am sure I don't have to ask for renderings right? Well I mean pics, especially some night shots :) TIA
[1] Scrambling to get some concrete work done leading into the amphitheater
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[2] Walkway at rear of the 3rd level balcony and stairway up from ground floor
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I'll be very curious to see how they handle the staging Saturday night;
how the sound system bounces that sound off the fabric of that roof;
how Derek's guitar solos soar, etc.
It should be an incredible night of sound.
Some new interior shots:
https://twitter.com/dailysplace/status/867810453207998471
Cant get those twitter pics to open, any other options? Jags site has a video, gonna be awesome at night
LED light tests
Daily's Place 1:
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Daily's Place 2:
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Daily's Place 3:
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I heard someone on FB complaining about Daily's Place Amphitheater concert pricing. For instance Chicago & the Doobie Bros cheapest in most amphitheaters is under $20, in Nashville's Amphitheater (built in 2015) it's in the $40, and Jax in in the $60 range. Is it true that the prices are higher here because it's a brand new venue (similar to jacked up prices for NFL tickets in a new stadium)?
Quote from: I-10east on May 25, 2017, 09:30:41 PM
I heard someone on FB complaining about Daily's Place Amphitheater concert pricing. For instance Chicago & the Doobie Bros cheapest in most amphitheaters is under $20, in Nashville's Amphitheater (built in 2015) it's in the $40, and Jax in in the $60 range. Is it true that the prices are higher here because it's a brand new venue (similar to jacked up prices for NFL tickets in a new stadium)?
All event tickets include parking at Daily's.
Venue pricing can vary for several reasons, contractual terms, geographical compensation, site amenities, promoter expenses, special artist needs and yes, paying for the actual physical venue as well.
Quote from: I-10east on May 25, 2017, 09:30:41 PM
I heard someone on FB complaining about Daily's Place Amphitheater concert pricing. For instance Chicago & the Doobie Bros cheapest in most amphitheaters is under $20, in Nashville's Amphitheater (built in 2015) it's in the $40, and Jax in in the $60 range. Is it true that the prices are higher here because it's a brand new venue (similar to jacked up prices for NFL tickets in a new stadium)?
Many other outdoor venues have a wider variety of price points because unlike Daily's Place they feature lawn seating - no fixed seats, no shelter from the elements, inconsistent sound quality, and it can be quite far away from the stage. Plus depending how early you get your space your sightline for a concert can range from poor to non-existent at some of these venues. Performers love this set up because many times the lower ticket prices doesn't really hurt their bottom line, but they can make those margins back by squeezing more out of merch sales, concessions, and parking.
Fortunately, the higher ticket prices and the limited size of the venue that hasn't deterred acts wanting to play Daily's Place this year. And on top of free parking they're offering, it looks like
everyone will have a primo concert viewing experience there.
So I was at the stadium today, and Mark Lamping was just walking around the construction site in a hard had and vest like he was a construction worker. He wasn't with anyone, just walking around, talking to random people every once in a while. I found that interesting. It seems like he really loves the venue. Can't blame him, it's looking impressive.
And the "free" parking is convenient as hell, right next to the amphitheater. Hard to complain about that. Parking Lot "J" for most of us, the non-premium ticket holders.
http://prod.static.jaguars.clubs.nfl.com/assets/PDFs/2017parkingmap.pdf
And I don't think this nugget slipped in by Lamping is unimportant: Lamping said 42 concerts are scheduled between Memorial Day and the end of the year.
Forty-freaking-two? In just six months? I think he probably meant MemorialDayWeekend-to-MemorialDayWeekend2018.
Whatever the case, that's a hell of a lot of additional activity downtown. And I don't think that captures all of the additional activity at all; I suspect they are marketing heavily for midweek events to make use of the uniqueness of the space.
In the mean time, some well known venues arent making it.
http://www.jsonline.com/story/entertainment/music/2017/03/17/first-time-40-years-alpine-valley-music-theatre-closing-season/99302162/ (http://www.jsonline.com/story/entertainment/music/2017/03/17/first-time-40-years-alpine-valley-music-theatre-closing-season/99302162/)
Used to be the largest outdoor venue in the US.
I saw Journey and Steppenwolf there in 1978 and Boston in 1988 on the Third Stage Tour (30,000 people!!) The place was infamous for the huge Grateful Dead and Dave Mathews Band campouts for days before a concert.
I am surprised it lasted this long. Walworth County Wisconsin residents refused to update the roads around the venue and so many artists had to come in via helicopter. The traffic jams after a concert were legendary.
Stevie Ray Vaughan died in a helo crash leaving Alpine Valley.
Rush, Phish and Pearl Jam considered it their favorite place to play.
According to the article, artists are getting more picky about where they play due to more choice and where they can make more money on merchandising.
Not helping was the fact that 2 new outdoor venues opened in nearby Chicago where hotels and public transportation is readily available to leave promptly.
With Dailys at 5500 seats, they seem to be in a sweet spot. Not to large, not too small.
I complained about the extra "facility charge" when I bought tickets to a future event. Had I realized at the time that the parking was free I wouldn't have. Free parking right next to the facility is easily worth it.
Thanks yall for the info.
Well I can't wait to see pics and videos after the weekend
Huge night tonight.
30 years in the making.
For a city our size, we've got a pretty amazing roster of venues downtown. Daily's Place. Everbank. Veterans Memorial. The Baseball Grounds. Florida Theater. Times-Union Center. Jacoby Symphony Hall. The Ritz. Not to mention the Landing, Hemming Park, and Unity Plaza, which also host events.
We absolutely have the infrastructure in place for an incredibly active downtown, 365 days a year, in terms of events. Now, we just need to beef up the complementing used and transit.
^and build some places for people to live downtown. Hopefully the Barnett bank building apartments will lease quickly and encourage other developers to take the plunge on the northbank.
I agree about people living downtown. Otherwise, you get people coming in for events and then leaving when they're done. Putting a decent number of venues downtown isn't going to solve the problems of the area.
^Residential is quietly beginning to happen already. Aside from the Trio, we're seeing it spring up all over Lavilla, the Southbank, and even the CBD with FSCJs new dorms. Not to mention big residential projects like 200 Riverside and the Aetna apartments. I think people underestimate how much movement there's been on that front in the last year. With the entertainment district in particular, I personally think that the biggest problem is the lack of places to hang out, eat dinner, grab drinks or coffee, etc. before and after events. As projects like Doro District, Phase I of the Shipyards, and others come online, I think we'll see residential follow.
Quote from: KenFSU on May 27, 2017, 11:51:55 AM
^Residential is quietly beginning to happen already. Aside from the Trio, we're seeing it spring up all over Lavilla, the Southbank, and even the CBD with FSCJs new dorms. Not to mention big residential projects like 200 Riverside and the Aetna apartments. I think people underestimate how much movement there's been on that front in the last year. With the entertainment district in particular, I personally think that the biggest problem is the lack of places to hang out, eat dinner, grab drinks or coffee, etc. before and after events. As projects like Doro District, Phase I of the Shipyards, and others come online, I think we'll see residential follow.
Well, if you subscribe to the so-called "free market" philosphy some on this forum espouse, those options will spring up once there is a demand. We'll see. I think there will need to be more of a neighborhood fabric developed before stuff like that happens - because you will need people to patronize those establishments year-round, not just when there is an event on.
There is no doubt that plenty of residential development is happening all around downtown (and closing in), there just isn't much in the core of the northbank yet. I imagine it won't be long, and I hope when it happens, there will be new towers built. I know it's probably overly optimistic to think that residential towers over 10 stories will be built anytime soon, but I think it will happen eventually.
Berkman Freakin Two
I was downtown last night right before the Shrimps played and rode over to Daily's Place. Tedeschi Trucks Band was a doing a soundcheck. I got right up to the fence next to the scoreboard nearest the river. The venue looked great, the sound was great. The lights looked awesome.
There were of course a lot of unfinished details, especially with the landscaping, some temporary fencing but all in all it looked ready.
I was talking with one of the ushers at the baseball stadium and he mentioned the fact that the upper levels didn't have bathrooms and that concert goers would have to take the bridges into the stadium and use the bathrooms there. I thought that was kind of odd, but a good space saving measure.
I would expect complaints about that to be among the first we see.
If you go to Daily's Place Twitter, there are some cool videos from opening night. For a 5,500 seat venue, it looks quite intimate. Would love to see all that concrete dressed up a bit, and I hope they find a way to make some LCD panels happen, but overall, I think it's going to be a fantastic venue.
I wonder if that's part of the plan, it's looks nice but doing something with that concrete would be nice, also nice to build a facility and parking not be an issue. That saved quite a few bucks.
Really does look quite nice when the crowd files in and the sun starts to go down:
View from stage:
https://twitter.com/dailysplace/status/868621510201798656
Khan welcoming the crowd:
https://twitter.com/dailysplace/status/868623537308934144
View from balcony:
https://twitter.com/BrittDionneTV/status/868628398263947264
Curry's seat:
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Randoms:
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Great pictures!
It was truly impressive. Energetic crowd, phenomenal band. Great night for Jacksonville. I hope they did a video recording of the event; should make for a great concert video. I liked the opening act, too. Jon Cleary. Damn good New Orleans sound.
One curiosity that I guess shouldn't have surprised me but it did.
I was stunned how few black folks I saw in the audience. And I had what I guess is something of a black-white moment when the Tedeschi Trucks Band did one of their encore songs. I was pretty certain it would be an Allman Brothers selection for obvious reasons. And it was. Everybody around me knew the tune and started singing it with gusto.
I had no clue what the song was, and -- yes --I think I do know more than one Allman Brothers song.
Statesboro Blues was the selection. Oh, well. I guess I'll have to give a listen or three.
Quote from: RattlerGator on May 28, 2017, 12:27:30 AM
Great pictures!
It was truly impressive. Energetic crowd, phenomenal band. Great night for Jacksonville. I hope they did a video recording of the event; should make for a great concert video. I liked the opening act, too. Jon Cleary. Damn good New Orleans sound.
One curiosity that I guess shouldn't have surprised me but it did.
I was stunned how few black folks I saw in the audience. And I had what I guess is something of a black-white moment when the Tedeschi Trucks Band did one of their encore songs. I was pretty certain it would be an Allman Brothers selection for obvious reasons. And it was. Everybody around me knew the tune and started singing it with gusto.
I had no clue what the song was, and -- yes --I think I do know more than one Allman Brothers song.
Statesboro Blues was the selection. Oh, well. I guess I'll have to give a listen or three.
Rattler, sorry if the audience demographic wasnt to your liking. Will I see you at Dailys on June 28th??
Stephen will be there June 10th, perhaps you two could enjoy the show together?
I know I will be there June 30th myself.
Take your grandkids on August 5th, they will love it.
In other words, the place is for everyone, every style, every genre.
Looks awesome and even better filled with people
Looks even better than the renderings!!! Not often is that the case with projects.
Quote from: RattlerGator on May 28, 2017, 12:27:30 AM
One curiosity that I guess shouldn't have surprised me but it did.
I was stunned how few black folks I saw in the audience. And I had what I guess is something of a black-white moment when the Tedeschi Trucks Band did one of their encore songs. I was pretty certain it would be an Allman Brothers selection for obvious reasons. And it was. Everybody around me knew the tune and started singing it with gusto.
That's what you get for going to see Blueshammer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZaM6lTmhnak
Adam -- ha !!!
Spuwho, I didn't care (necessarily) about the composition of the audience. Just a curiosity. And I probably won't be making any concerts in the near future but you just never know. Partying with Stephen does have a certain attraction, dontchaknow?
On that note, I do have to admit to what is probably another black-white thang: I was conflating the Allman Brothers with Lynrd Skynrd ;-) between the two of them, I know more than a song or three. And apropos of nothing in particular, I stumbled across this interestingly related article this morning:
http://11thhouronline.com/2013/06/26/the-life-and-times-of-chank/
Ain't that America ? ? ?
I think Daily's Place has changed the vibe in our city for the better, and the best is probably yet to come. Thank you, Shad!
It will be interesting to see what else the venue can bring to the area other than concerts
I also agree now that it is built it does look so much better than the renderings.
By the way, here's a shot I took from the second of three levels around 6:35 p.m. (25 minutes before the start of the show, and it began promptly) that (I think) captures the vibe of the space. Each level accesses centralized spaces in the stadium that give you views of field. The third level is restricted access for premium ticketholders. It really is going to be an iconic spot and the obvious creativity they employed is sure to win awards. The stage is huge and the dressing rooms (the building where the Daily's Place logo is) reportedly are first-class:
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I think you're going to see this idea may become something of a trendsetter as a way to get *much* more year-round life and utilization out of bigtime stadiums across America. To me, UF needs to seriously consider doing this for Florida Field. The north endzone is a perfect place for a replica of this idea.
And this is a damn good review of the performance:
http://jacksonville.com/entertainment/music/2017-05-27/concert-review-emotional-night-jacksonville-tedeschi-trucks-opens
It must've been a hard day for Derek but fitting to be playing at home in Jax. Such a good choice for the first show at this venue.
Video about opening night from Jaguars.com:
http://www.jaguars.com/media-gallery/videos/Dailys-Place-Opening-Night/1d084c95-8957-4e93-a09b-869f71778172
Place looks fantastic, happy to be wrong about the completion date.
One thing that I did notice:
Sun looks pretty blinding if you're on the left side of the amphitheater.
Quote from: RattlerGator on May 28, 2017, 10:49:08 AM
By the way, here's a shot I took from the second of three levels around 6:35 p.m. (25 minutes before the start of the show, and it began promptly) that (I think) captures the vibe of the space. Each level accesses centralized spaces in the stadium that give you views of field. The third level is restricted access for premium ticketholders. It really is going to be an iconic spot and the obvious creativity they employed is sure to win awards. The stage is huge and the dressing rooms (the building where the Daily's Place logo is) reportedly are first-class:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DA6nOP8VYAECPgc.jpg)
Great shot! I'll be curious to see if the roofs of the two structures on opposites ends of the stage are used in the future. I remember the renders showed at least the right hand roof being accessible to patrons.
(http://www.cspdailynews.com/sites/default/files/styles/enhanced_slideshow/public/dailys-place-5-885.jpg?itok=qPaUToAq)
Also, did you notice if the orchestra seating was removable or fixed?
QuoteI think Daily's Place has changed the vibe in our city for the better, and the best is probably yet to come. Thank you, Shad!
I'll throw in Mark Lamping too. Guy is absolutely best in class.
There are still obviously some roadblocks to overcome, but seeing what Khan, Lamping and Curry have accomplished over the last few years, I can't imagine the Shipyards project not coming to fruition.
Jacksonville is a totally different city than it was when I moved here in 2006, with more energy, more culture, more pride, and more confidence. I give Khan a ton of credit toward contributing to these changes.
Really excited to see how the finished facility looks, and what's next for the Jags.
^^^. My understanding are the seats directly in front of the stage are not fixed. I read they wanted in that way so for certain concerts this area will have no seating and be a 'pit' area for a standing crowd. And as this one photo shows this then allows for performers to actually use his area and the actual stage if needed for a particular production.
Quote from: edjax on May 28, 2017, 01:14:09 PM
^^^. My understanding are the seats directly in front of the stage are not fixed. I read they wanted in that way so for certain concerts this area will have no seating and be a 'pit' area for a standing crowd. And as this one photo shows this then allows for performers to actually use his area and the actual stage if needed for a particular production.
Love it, thanks Ed.
No one has mentioned the temperature or climate during the show. I know it is open but does air circulate? Just seems like it could be hot this time of year...
Yes, the air definitely circulated. Yes, it made a huge difference. Yes, the roof is genius.
As you know, it was hot and humid in Jax on Saturday. I was never conscious of the heat or humidity once in that space. That speaks volumes. I was, however, on the left (east) side of the structure (207) and away from the setting sun on the west side. That may make a difference. The sunsplash was definitely there into the 8 p.m. hour.
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Sections 01, 101 and 102, and most parts of 201 and 202 would be the most susceptible to early evening sunsplash.
we were seated in section 107, east side of the venue and I had to leave when the sun hit around 7 pm. just when the opening act started, retreat to the cooler concrete retail section below. not much breeze Saturday night either, and it's May. don't think I'll hit this spot again for a concert until next October or so. also, tho seated on the side and not center, I thought the acoustics were terrible. the sound bounces around in a concrete can. TTB has a great clean sound so in need of some acoustical engineering and a shade to the west imho.
Ah, the bitch-and-moan brigade makes an appearance. You know, your 18 posts are an interesting read.
This is video is from that time period (7:30) you mention, showing the sun across the front seats. Most everyone seems to be A.O.K. with it and enjoying Jon Cleary.
Give it time to load; it works for me but who knows on these interweb thingamajigs:
https://goo.gl/photos/xHHPCTzGU7PqBKHD6 (https://goo.gl/photos/xHHPCTzGU7PqBKHD6)
I took a bunch of pictures. Did a bunch of people-watching. Overwhelming satisfaction. Listen, dv8 -- YMMV, of course, given your special disposition. But you (unsurprisingly) seem to be in the very distinct minority. And when I play back my video of Cleary or of Tedeschi Trucks Band, the sound is magnificent.
Quote from: RattlerGator on May 29, 2017, 11:36:19 AM
Ah, the bitch-and-moan brigade makes an appearance. You know, your 18 posts are an interesting read.
This is video is from that time period (7:30) you mention, showing the sun across the front seats. Most everyone seems to be A.O.K. with it and enjoying Jon Cleary.
Give it time to load; it works for me but who knows on these interweb thingamajigs:
https://goo.gl/photos/xHHPCTzGU7PqBKHD6 (https://goo.gl/photos/xHHPCTzGU7PqBKHD6)
I took a bunch of pictures. Did a bunch of people-watching. Overwhelming satisfaction. Listen, dv8 -- YMMV, of course, given your special disposition. But you (unsurprisingly) seem to be in the very distinct minority. And when I play back my video of Cleary or of Tedeschi Trucks Band, the sound is magnificent.
Could it be that one's experience might be different based on seating location? Sound does vary in venues, depending on where you're sat. And the same thing for temperature, etc.
^Thanks for the video. I would think the acoustics would be fine so long as a decent size crowd was there to help absorb the sound. The sides are open, as is the space behind the top balcony so there is plenty of room for the sound to escape, and the roof is high and not made of a solid material, so it shouldn't contribute too much to an echo.
Did anybody notice, is the sound system permanent, removable but operated by Daily's Place, or did PRI or someone setup the equipment? I'd hope with the number of concerts planned that house system is pretty good.
Completed on time and exceeding expectations. I'm impressed.
After the second set of renderings appeared to be a downgrade from the first and the construction going on until the day of a concert, I had my doubts....as did many of us. I'm glad our fears were unfounded.
interesting factoid: unlike concerts at metro park which were easily heard at the Plaza Townhomes, I couldn't hear one decibel of Train while on my back porch. Seems they have managed sound attenuation very well, which hopefully makes everyone happy. haven't heard the usual bitching from St Nicholas.
Quote from: downtownbrown on May 29, 2017, 03:19:06 PM
interesting factoid: unlike concerts at metro park which were easily heard at the Plaza Townhomes, I couldn't hear one decibel of Train while on my back porch. Seems they have managed sound attenuation very well, which hopefully makes everyone happy. haven't heard the usual bitching from St Nicholas.
This is good...lol
Quote from: BridgeTroll on May 29, 2017, 07:18:31 AM
No one has mentioned the temperature or climate during the show. I know it is open but does air circulate? Just seems like it could be hot this time of year...
I was there Sunday for Train, and it was very warm. It was easily still in the mid 90s at 7 pm when the show started, and you could feel every bit of that heat. There was a nice breeze, but I imagine if it hadn't been coming out of the west, it would have probably felt even warmer. The west side is the most open side, likely to give a decent view of downtown from inside, and allows the most wind to enter the facility. The east side is partially open, and would allow air to circulate, but not as well as the west side. With the stadium to the north, and the practice field on the south side, a north or south wind likely wouldn't allow air to circulate at all. After the temperature fell out of the 90s, it felt pretty perfect there though.
Now don't take any of that as complaining, it's just the inner weather nerd in me. I absolutely loved the place. Its a beautiful venue, and I imagine it will likely be one of the most popular places in Jacksonville if they keep up the pace of shows. I can't wait to go back, and I'll remember to dress a bit cooler next time. I don't recommend jeans and a polo shirt when it is that warm out.
Thanks JN... :)
Quote from: remc86007 on May 29, 2017, 12:01:23 PM
^Thanks for the video. I would think the acoustics would be fine so long as a decent size crowd was there to help absorb the sound. The sides are open, as is the space behind the top balcony so there is plenty of room for the sound to escape, and the roof is high and not made of a solid material, so it shouldn't contribute too much to an echo.
Did anybody notice, is the sound system permanent, removable but operated by Daily's Place, or did PRI or someone setup the equipment? I'd hope with the number of concerts planned that house system is pretty good.
AVL supplied sound, but not sure if that's just because the permanent sound hasnt been installed yet or not.
How will it do when summer storms hit? Are there certain sections that will be exposed to downpours?
Yes, subro, summer storm weather will be an issue, especially on the edges. But that's unavoidable IMHO.
About the sound -- yes, personal opinions will vary. But it's reallly hard to have a complaint about the sound in that place. Really hard. Likewise, the heat in the facility. That was mid-90s weather with high humidity. Okay? We're all Florida folks here. Get real. All in all, it was a comfortable experience. I've sat in EverBank for September games and been scorched!
As for St. Nicholas and across the river; that's part of the genius of the design. And it is genius. The design solved so many problems! The Flex Field blocks the rush of sound and (I'm sure) serves to essentially mute it. There's no rush of soundwaves across the St. Johns. And EverBank Field serves the same purpose. The roof, also.
It is a genuinely attractive and iconic space.
It's hard for me to believe this thing won't win multiple awards for Populous, the Jaguars, and the City.
Tedeschi Trucks Band singing "Don't Know What It Means" Saturday night
https://youtu.be/-BuzNmFpmRU
Yep, I'm still hyped. Sound was beautiful, concert was beautiful; truly a proud night for Jacksonville. I have a friend going to the Dave Matthews concert who definitely isn't a sunshine pumper like me. I'll be curious to hear his review of the place.
Being far from home, there is nothing more uplifting than reading a thread where locals are actually pleased-happy-surprised about the quality of something built in jax...
I remember when the last set of renderings came out, everyone was freaking out saying ´typical jax´and ´here we go again´...
What a surprise to see people happy and to see a killer space in downtown JAX!
Hopefully a sign of things to come ;)
Lauryn Hill and NAS!!! Now that is the type of concert that people in Jax have been waiting for!!!
Quote from: RatTownRyan on May 30, 2017, 01:53:43 PM
Lauryn Hill and NAS!!! Now that is the type of concert that people in Jax have been waiting for!!!
I'm one of them, but at $250 a ticket, I'll probably wait a bit longer.
Quote from: Adam White on May 28, 2017, 03:19:16 AM
Quote from: RattlerGator on May 28, 2017, 12:27:30 AM
One curiosity that I guess shouldn't have surprised me but it did.
I was stunned how few black folks I saw in the audience. And I had what I guess is something of a black-white moment when the Tedeschi Trucks Band did one of their encore songs. I was pretty certain it would be an Allman Brothers selection for obvious reasons. And it was. Everybody around me knew the tune and started singing it with gusto.
That's what you get for going to see Blueshammer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZaM6lTmhnak
AW, you're killing it with the pop culture references lately.
Yes, RG, it's not surprising that a rock band would attract a mostly white audience. Both the musicians and the listeners of rock music are predominantly white, and it's been that way for over 50 years. Jack Hamilton recent published a book on the subject, "Just Around Midnight" (http://www.hup.harvard.edu/catalog.php?isbn=9780674416598); I haven't read it yet but it sounds pretty interesting. There's an excerpt here (http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/music_box/2016/10/race_rock_and_the_rolling_stones_how_the_rock_and_roll_became_white.html) at Slate.
The thesis seems to be that in the 1960s, white rock musicians were celebrated for embracing rock's black roots and moving it in new directions with their creative spark, whereas black musicians who were similarly original were criticized (by both black and white critics) for straying from the "authentic" tradition, and so "black" music developed in other directions. As a result, it became a mainly white genre to the point that Jimi Hendrix was a considered novelty by the time he died in 1970.
Regardless of how it happened, it's there. It's not surprising that this long-standing divide would be reflected even with the Tedeschi Trucks Band; though they have a number of black members, they're pretty firmly in the blues rock tradition.
Quote from: Tacachale on May 30, 2017, 02:04:10 PM
Quote from: Adam White on May 28, 2017, 03:19:16 AM
Quote from: RattlerGator on May 28, 2017, 12:27:30 AM
One curiosity that I guess shouldn't have surprised me but it did.
I was stunned how few black folks I saw in the audience. And I had what I guess is something of a black-white moment when the Tedeschi Trucks Band did one of their encore songs. I was pretty certain it would be an Allman Brothers selection for obvious reasons. And it was. Everybody around me knew the tune and started singing it with gusto.
That's what you get for going to see Blueshammer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZaM6lTmhnak
AW, you're killing it with the really current pop culture references lately.
FTFY
Quote from: ben says on May 30, 2017, 01:44:34 PM
Being far from home, there is nothing more uplifting than reading a thread where locals are actually pleased-happy-surprised about the quality of something built in jax...
I remember when the last set of renderings came out, everyone was freaking out saying ´typical jax´and ´here we go again´...
What a surprise to see people happy and to see a killer space in downtown JAX!
Hopefully a sign of things to come ;)
True. I think it looks pretty cool - surprisingly like the renderings. I hope it means Jax gets more concerts now. Seems like it would be a great place to see a show.
I attended the grand opening show with the TDB. I thought the venue was great, sound was good and sight lines were awesome. As some have mentioned, the sun was blasting in pretty good during the opening act, but my seat was adequately protected. Don't think it was too much of a bother for most at the show. I was never sweating, so the heat was not an issue.
I am curious what changes or upgrades still remain. I thought the lighting was subpar. When I left the venue I could see the lighting on the roof, but it wasn't visible inside which I thought could have added a nice glow. Similar to the side panels. Some colored lighting on both the large side panels would have created a great glow and enhanced the visual appeal. If you look at the rendering, they show large video screens on either side of the stage at the top. Wondering if those will be installed or were just part of the rendering? Noticed the Daily's Place shadowing lighting was one for a few minutes and then off the rest of the show.
The signage was very confusing. One sign pointing me left. Then you go left and another sign pointing me right. So that was frustrating until you can actually get inside and understand the set-up and where the sections are. LOTS of helpful, friendly people in place to assist though. The customer service was tremendous.
Attaching the venue to the stadium made it possible to utilize the restrooms and food sections at the stadium, thus eliminating building that infrastructure. Thought that was a very wise idea. Everything is very compact, with wide aisles so getting around is easy.
From the west side of the venue, a nice view of the Hart Bridge. From the east side, nice view of Downtown.
Would have been interesting to see how the show looked on the stadium video boards. Overall though, kudos to Shad Kahn, Mark Lamping, COJ, and the hundreds of workers who worked nearly around the clock to get DP ready to rock. And finally, to Derek and Susan and their entire band... just an awesome show (especially in light of Gregg Allman's passing just a few hours earlier). You know Derek had to be hurting big time inside, but he played his ass off all night and it was the perfect way to open this great venue.
Quote from: exnewsman on May 30, 2017, 02:29:24 PM
I am curious what changes or upgrades still remain.
From last week's press release:
QuoteWork continues on Daily's Place, with the scheduled completion of the covered flex field set for mid-July, just before the start of the Jacksonville Jaguars' 2017 training camp. Concert-goers can also look forward to several new features and amenities still to come this summer at Daily's Place, including:
- Additional permanent food and beverage options – The ground floor concession area will feature new fixed concessions stands that will take shape in the next few weeks, including an innovative frozen drink stand, a Daily's food truck featuring fresh, made-to-order Daily's Dash menu items, and the Miller Lite Lounge, a unique partnership with MillerCoors.
- Technological enhancements – The Daily's Place free public Wi-Fi system will be fully activated by the end of June.
- Several new video boards will be installed, including a three-sided triangle board in the south end zone concession area.
- Architectural features – Florida's sunshine will continue to bleach the unique Daily's Place roof panels, giving it a consistent white appearance by summer's end. The permanent enclosure for the covered flex field will be completed before the start of training camp and feature a PTFE material never before used in the United States.
- By the end of July, one-of-a-kind glass bridges will take guests from the main concourse and Fields Auto Group Terrace Suite into the seating bowl of Daily's Place.
If you haven't looked at the Daily's Place twitter page, they currently have up one hell of an urban shot as their banner photo:
https://twitter.com/dailysplace/with_replies
#BigDuval
Quote from: exnewsman on May 30, 2017, 02:29:24 PM
I am curious what changes or upgrades still remain. I thought the lighting was subpar. When I left the venue I could see the lighting on the roof, but it wasn't visible inside which I thought could have added a nice glow. Similar to the side panels. Some colored lighting on both the large side panels would have created a great glow and enhanced the visual appeal. If you look at the rendering, they show large video screens on either side of the stage at the top. Wondering if those will be installed or were just part of the rendering? Noticed the Daily's Place shadowing lighting was one for a few minutes and then off the rest of the show.
They didn't have the rooftop lighting on during that concert. They only had it on low and a constant color during Train on Sunday. I think they aren't really using it during concerts because it would probably interfere with any lighting effects bands try to have from inside. It makes sense to do it that way. I looked at the camera tonight, and they didn't come on until after the concert ended. Same issue might occur with the Daily's sign and interfering with lighting. They had it on until sunset on Sunday then shut it off.
Video screens haven't been installed yet, but when I was there, it didn't feel like they were necessary. Every seat has a good view of the stage as far as I could tell. I think I read that the furthest seat from the stage is only 160 ft away, so unless you are almost blind, you should have no problem seeing anything. The only reason they might be useful is if there are other types of events held there, like a play or a magic show or something, that require a closer view of what is going on.
Thanks Ken for the updates, it can only get better from here,
Dave Matthews was great. One tiny issue: our seats are on the west wing of the second level. We had trouble hearing his commentary because of the speaker direction. Otherwise, what a great venue!
Something I just remembered about when I was there, at least 2 of the seats in my row had holes in the cushions already. This was at the 2nd concert there Sunday night. Those seats should not have had damage to them already. I wonder how often they are going to have to change out the seats.
I didn't really pay much attention to the seats but (IIRC) it seemed as though the base had a hard, firm edge and a softer yet firm (and seemingly replaceable) "seat" so that replacement *may* not be a big deal at all. Whatever the case, it's hard to believe wear and tear wasn't factored into the maintenance considerations of the amphitheater.
They may end up finding the seats they use aren't robust enough and replace them over time with a better model.
Quote from: downtownbrown on May 31, 2017, 12:23:56 PM
Dave Matthews was great. One tiny issue: our seats are on the west wing of the second level. We had trouble hearing his commentary because of the speaker direction. Otherwise, what a great venue!
Not sure if you can attribute that to the speaker direction. Dave Matthews is a notorious mumbler. Impossible to understand for anyone outside the Dancing-Nancy-Sticker crowd.
Quote from: RattlerGator on June 01, 2017, 10:00:44 AM
I didn't really pay much attention to the seats but (IIRC) it seemed as though the base had a hard, firm edge and a softer yet firm (and seemingly replaceable) "seat" so that replacement *may* not be a big deal at all. Whatever the case, it's hard to believe wear and tear wasn't factored into the maintenance considerations of the amphitheater.
Didn't help that people were using the seats as a step ladder so they didn't have to walk down the aisle. Shameful really. There is plenty of leg room (compared to say, the Florida Theater). So no excuses.
Not sure if this was mentioned already, but I just saw that Daily's Place has booked 27 shows for 2017 (running May thru November), with likely more to come in the fall that haven't been booked yet. Clearly the concern that the venue was only on the hook for 25 events has not become an issue.
http://jacksonville.com/lists/dailys-place-concert-schedule
On the other hand, on a personal note, I don't see any concerts in that list I'll be going to. There's at least one at the St. Augustine Amphitheater I want to see (Jason Isbell) and a few more at Ponte Vedra Concert Hall (Beach House 2 weeks ago, and Conor Oberst coming up), and I'll be travelling this summer/fall to see several acts that skipped NE Florida entirely. I hope at some point the Amphitheater moves beyond the classic rock/Hot 100 wheelhouse and gets a broader range of shows.
Quote from: Tacachale on June 12, 2017, 11:03:34 AM
Not sure if this was mentioned already, but I just saw that Daily's Place has booked 27 shows for 2017 (running May thru November), with likely more to come in the fall that haven't been booked yet. Clearly the concern that the venue was only on the hook for 25 events has not become an issue.
http://jacksonville.com/lists/dailys-place-concert-schedule
1) 28, Carlos Santana was just announced today for the fall.
2) Definitely at least 8 more to come, as the Jags are planning concerts the Saturday before each home game.
3) Interesting to hear Mark Lamping talk about how they will be theming the Saturday night concerts after the visiting city. Seattle might be grunge-ish (if that's still a thing), Nashville might be country, or they might try to book hometown bands from the visiting cities. Interesting approach to bring out-of-towners to Jacksonville, though I'm sure some Jags fans might take issue. I like it.
4) Finally had a chance to check out Daily's Place last night for Third Eye Blind and Silversun Pickups. When I saw the pictures, I wasn't thrilled with all the concrete, didn't like that the video boards weren't included, etc. Being there in person though, Daily's Place
absolutely blew me away. Place is INCREDIBLE. Don't think you can properly appreciate the venue without being there. Every seat is amazing. The acoustics are fantastic. The lighting is epic. The design is crazy, how it opens up to the stadium. It's a 5,500 seat venue that feels like an intimate 2,000 seat venue, and sounds like a 10,000 seater when the crowd gets going. It's
exactly what Jacksonville needs, and it truthfully blows St. Augustine Amphitheater, which I love, out of the water. I don't even think the video screens are necessary, as the shows feel so special and personal as is. Though I do think that Daily's Place would be a great venue for screening Jags away games. Amazing place, Jacksonville should be proud.
I went to 3EB / SSPU last night and thought the venue was great.
The sound of the first act was kinda sketchy - really piercing, scratchy highs. I though it might be band equipment, because Silversun sounded great, but then I had the same issue when 3EB came on... Might just be sound-guys not adjusting to the acoustics?
Either way, I had to take the little one out because she would leave the earplugs or headphones on, and if it was hurting my ears, I knew it wouldn't be good for hers.
All in all, I really like the venue. If you don't care about 'seeing' the show, the sound is OK in the breezeway between the amphitheater and the stadium, and since I left early, I have to say that this venue will be fantastic for after game concerts and tailgating. The sound quality in the parking lot actually caught me by surprise. The quick video I took had better (clearer) sound than the video my GF took from inside, so I could see plenty of people hanging out after the games for quite a bit longer.
https://www.youtube.com/v/VYmFesrwro0
Quote from: Tacachale on June 12, 2017, 11:29:26 AM
On the other hand, on a personal note, I don't see any concerts in that list I'll be going to. There's at least one at the St. Augustine Amphitheater I want to see (Jason Isbell) and a few more at Ponte Vedra Concert Hall (Beach House 2 weeks ago, and Conor Oberst coming up), and I'll be travelling this summer/fall to see several acts that skipped NE Florida entirely. I hope at some point the Amphitheater moves beyond the classic rock/Hot 100 wheelhouse and gets a broader range of shows.
Most of the artists listed seem to be either b-list acts or washed-up groups cashing in on nostalgia or something. That said, I'd have probably gone to see Tears For Fears, as The Hurting is one of my favorite records.
That said, if Daily's Place can keep a busy schedule and sell a lot of tickets, it might make it more appealing to more relevant artists.
Quote from: Adam White on June 12, 2017, 02:47:24 PM
Quote from: Tacachale on June 12, 2017, 11:29:26 AM
On the other hand, on a personal note, I don't see any concerts in that list I'll be going to. There's at least one at the St. Augustine Amphitheater I want to see (Jason Isbell) and a few more at Ponte Vedra Concert Hall (Beach House 2 weeks ago, and Conor Oberst coming up), and I'll be travelling this summer/fall to see several acts that skipped NE Florida entirely. I hope at some point the Amphitheater moves beyond the classic rock/Hot 100 wheelhouse and gets a broader range of shows.
Most of the artists listed seem to be either b-list acts or washed-up groups cashing in on nostalgia or something. That said, I'd have probably gone to see Tears For Fears, as The Hurting is one of my favorite records.
That said, if Daily's Place can keep a busy schedule and sell a lot of tickets, it might make it more appealing to more relevant artists.
See Adam, we DO have more in common than just soccer! TFF is one of my all-time favorite groups and they are definitely not washed up. I wanted SO badly to see them down there, but timing just wasn't right.
I'm glad to hear from everyone that the venue is awesome and they are booking shows like crazy. We never go to outdoor events up here because the weather can be so iffy (and we only get about three months of even potentially decent weather to start with). Looking forward to seeing a show or three here.
Forgot to mention how scenic the view of the Hart Bridge is from the balconies, particularly at night.
The view toward downtown on the opposite side is quite nice as well.
Quote from: KenFSU on June 12, 2017, 03:16:31 PM
Forgot to mention how scenic the view of the Hart Bridge is from the balconies, particularly at night.
The view toward downtown on the opposite side is quite nice as well.
Agreed. I noticed it too but couldn't quite get the pic I wanted.
(http://i.imgur.com/wXT9J9w.jpg)
Quote from: Adam White on June 12, 2017, 02:47:24 PM
Quote from: Tacachale on June 12, 2017, 11:29:26 AM
On the other hand, on a personal note, I don't see any concerts in that list I'll be going to. There's at least one at the St. Augustine Amphitheater I want to see (Jason Isbell) and a few more at Ponte Vedra Concert Hall (Beach House 2 weeks ago, and Conor Oberst coming up), and I'll be travelling this summer/fall to see several acts that skipped NE Florida entirely. I hope at some point the Amphitheater moves beyond the classic rock/Hot 100 wheelhouse and gets a broader range of shows.
Most of the artists listed seem to be either b-list acts or washed-up groups cashing in on nostalgia or something. That said, I'd have probably gone to see Tears For Fears, as The Hurting is one of my favorite records.
That said, if Daily's Place can keep a busy schedule and sell a lot of tickets, it might make it more appealing to more relevant artists.
Yeah, that is true. Radio rock nostalgia acts are a sure bet to be successful whereas up and comers may be more averse to booking a new venue in a mid-sized city. Plus it's likely that a lot of acts had their summer tours locked down before the thing even opened. At any rate, hopefully things change in fall and after; I'd like to check out the venue and I'm certainly not paying $30+ a pop to see the Def Tones, or $50 each to see Chicago, with or without the Doobie Bros.
Quote from: TimmyB on June 12, 2017, 03:09:26 PM
Quote from: Adam White on June 12, 2017, 02:47:24 PM
Quote from: Tacachale on June 12, 2017, 11:29:26 AM
On the other hand, on a personal note, I don't see any concerts in that list I'll be going to. There's at least one at the St. Augustine Amphitheater I want to see (Jason Isbell) and a few more at Ponte Vedra Concert Hall (Beach House 2 weeks ago, and Conor Oberst coming up), and I'll be travelling this summer/fall to see several acts that skipped NE Florida entirely. I hope at some point the Amphitheater moves beyond the classic rock/Hot 100 wheelhouse and gets a broader range of shows.
Most of the artists listed seem to be either b-list acts or washed-up groups cashing in on nostalgia or something. That said, I'd have probably gone to see Tears For Fears, as The Hurting is one of my favorite records.
That said, if Daily's Place can keep a busy schedule and sell a lot of tickets, it might make it more appealing to more relevant artists.
See Adam, we DO have more in common than just soccer! TFF is one of my all-time favorite groups and they are definitely not washed up. I wanted SO badly to see them down there, but timing just wasn't right.
Apparently they released a record a few years back? I was working at a record shop when Raoul and the Kings of Spain came out and I didn't care for it. The Hurting is the record for me!
But seriously - they are clearly doing the nostalgia tour thing, making money off of people who loved them when they were teenagers/20-somethings. That's okay - but maybe not my thing (as a general rule). I'd have gone and seen them, I think - if only as an excuse to check out Daily's Place. I'm glad they're getting bookings and it looks like a pretty cool venue.
Quote from: Tacachale on June 12, 2017, 03:37:38 PM
Quote from: Adam White on June 12, 2017, 02:47:24 PM
Quote from: Tacachale on June 12, 2017, 11:29:26 AM
On the other hand, on a personal note, I don't see any concerts in that list I'll be going to. There's at least one at the St. Augustine Amphitheater I want to see (Jason Isbell) and a few more at Ponte Vedra Concert Hall (Beach House 2 weeks ago, and Conor Oberst coming up), and I'll be travelling this summer/fall to see several acts that skipped NE Florida entirely. I hope at some point the Amphitheater moves beyond the classic rock/Hot 100 wheelhouse and gets a broader range of shows.
Most of the artists listed seem to be either b-list acts or washed-up groups cashing in on nostalgia or something. That said, I'd have probably gone to see Tears For Fears, as The Hurting is one of my favorite records.
That said, if Daily's Place can keep a busy schedule and sell a lot of tickets, it might make it more appealing to more relevant artists.
Yeah, that is true. Radio rock nostalgia acts are a sure bet to be successful whereas up and comers may be more averse to booking a new venue in a mid-sized city. Plus it's likely that a lot of acts had their summer tours locked down before the thing even opened. At any rate, hopefully things change in fall and after; I'd like to check out the venue and I'm certainly not paying $30+ a pop to see the Def Tones, or $50 each to see Chicago, with or without the Doobie Bros.
My older sister lives in Minneapolis now and goes to reunion gigs on an almost monthly basis. She loves it - but I think it would have to be the right band at the right price for me to go to one of those shows.
Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on June 12, 2017, 03:23:54 PM
Quote from: KenFSU on June 12, 2017, 03:16:31 PM
Forgot to mention how scenic the view of the Hart Bridge is from the balconies, particularly at night.
The view toward downtown on the opposite side is quite nice as well.
Agreed. I noticed it too but couldn't quite get the pic I wanted.
(http://i.imgur.com/wXT9J9w.jpg)
Last night was my first visit to Daily's Place and I enjoyed it. You can see the emphasis on customer service. They have an abundance of staff looking to assist and the line for security was long but moved real quick. Honestly, it was almost too much. I was over in 107 at the end of the row. My only complaint is the closed end could use some fans as there is no cross breeze down there. Otherwise it was a great evening out with the wife. Glad to have another quality venue in Jax.
Quote from: Adam White on June 12, 2017, 04:23:01 PM
Quote from: Tacachale on June 12, 2017, 03:37:38 PM
Quote from: Adam White on June 12, 2017, 02:47:24 PM
Quote from: Tacachale on June 12, 2017, 11:29:26 AM
On the other hand, on a personal note, I don't see any concerts in that list I'll be going to. There's at least one at the St. Augustine Amphitheater I want to see (Jason Isbell) and a few more at Ponte Vedra Concert Hall (Beach House 2 weeks ago, and Conor Oberst coming up), and I'll be travelling this summer/fall to see several acts that skipped NE Florida entirely. I hope at some point the Amphitheater moves beyond the classic rock/Hot 100 wheelhouse and gets a broader range of shows.
Most of the artists listed seem to be either b-list acts or washed-up groups cashing in on nostalgia or something. That said, I'd have probably gone to see Tears For Fears, as The Hurting is one of my favorite records.
That said, if Daily's Place can keep a busy schedule and sell a lot of tickets, it might make it more appealing to more relevant artists.
Yeah, that is true. Radio rock nostalgia acts are a sure bet to be successful whereas up and comers may be more averse to booking a new venue in a mid-sized city. Plus it's likely that a lot of acts had their summer tours locked down before the thing even opened. At any rate, hopefully things change in fall and after; I'd like to check out the venue and I'm certainly not paying $30+ a pop to see the Def Tones, or $50 each to see Chicago, with or without the Doobie Bros.
My older sister lives in Minneapolis now and goes to reunion gigs on an almost monthly basis. She loves it - but I think it would have to be the right band at the right price for me to go to one of those shows.
Yeah, I don't have any problem with those shows. I go see Dylan with my dad every time he plays here, and one of my favorite shows ever was Neutral Milk Hotel in 2015. At that point they hadn't released music in almost 17 years, which was depressing to think about. Of course for Dylan, my dad buys the tickets, and Neutral Milk Hotel didn't cost $50 a pop.
Quote from: Tacachale on June 12, 2017, 05:25:16 PM
Quote from: Adam White on June 12, 2017, 04:23:01 PM
Quote from: Tacachale on June 12, 2017, 03:37:38 PM
Quote from: Adam White on June 12, 2017, 02:47:24 PM
Quote from: Tacachale on June 12, 2017, 11:29:26 AM
On the other hand, on a personal note, I don't see any concerts in that list I'll be going to. There's at least one at the St. Augustine Amphitheater I want to see (Jason Isbell) and a few more at Ponte Vedra Concert Hall (Beach House 2 weeks ago, and Conor Oberst coming up), and I'll be travelling this summer/fall to see several acts that skipped NE Florida entirely. I hope at some point the Amphitheater moves beyond the classic rock/Hot 100 wheelhouse and gets a broader range of shows.
Most of the artists listed seem to be either b-list acts or washed-up groups cashing in on nostalgia or something. That said, I'd have probably gone to see Tears For Fears, as The Hurting is one of my favorite records.
That said, if Daily's Place can keep a busy schedule and sell a lot of tickets, it might make it more appealing to more relevant artists.
Yeah, that is true. Radio rock nostalgia acts are a sure bet to be successful whereas up and comers may be more averse to booking a new venue in a mid-sized city. Plus it's likely that a lot of acts had their summer tours locked down before the thing even opened. At any rate, hopefully things change in fall and after; I'd like to check out the venue and I'm certainly not paying $30+ a pop to see the Def Tones, or $50 each to see Chicago, with or without the Doobie Bros.
My older sister lives in Minneapolis now and goes to reunion gigs on an almost monthly basis. She loves it - but I think it would have to be the right band at the right price for me to go to one of those shows.
Yeah, I don't have any problem with those shows. I go see Dylan with my dad every time he plays here, and one of my favorite shows ever was Neutral Milk Hotel in 2015. At that point they hadn't released music in almost 17 years, which was depressing to think about. Of course for Dylan, my dad buys the tickets, and Neutral Milk Hotel didn't cost $50 a pop.
I'd definitely pay to see Dylan.
Quote from: Tacachale on June 12, 2017, 05:25:16 PM
...didn't cost $50 a pop.
Looking for a date on the cheap? Since they didn't verify tickets on the way in the parking lot...
Stop by Publix on your way out, buy a rotisserie chicken picnic set up, a 4 pack of wine for her and a 6 pack of cold ones for yourself, go hang out in Parking lot J under the stars and listen to a band that you're 'eh, but not for $50' on.
I'm sure the Mrs. will appreciate your thriftiness. ;D
(https://media.giphy.com/media/puD2M1a83UFRm/giphy.gif)
* Full disclosure, I'm giving you one right out of my own playbook that I plan on using when there's a group I'd like to listen to, but don't care if I see or not.
Quote from: Adam White on June 12, 2017, 04:20:37 PM
Quote from: TimmyB on June 12, 2017, 03:09:26 PM
Quote from: Adam White on June 12, 2017, 02:47:24 PM
Quote from: Tacachale on June 12, 2017, 11:29:26 AM
On the other hand, on a personal note, I don't see any concerts in that list I'll be going to. There's at least one at the St. Augustine Amphitheater I want to see (Jason Isbell) and a few more at Ponte Vedra Concert Hall (Beach House 2 weeks ago, and Conor Oberst coming up), and I'll be travelling this summer/fall to see several acts that skipped NE Florida entirely. I hope at some point the Amphitheater moves beyond the classic rock/Hot 100 wheelhouse and gets a broader range of shows.
Most of the artists listed seem to be either b-list acts or washed-up groups cashing in on nostalgia or something. That said, I'd have probably gone to see Tears For Fears, as The Hurting is one of my favorite records.
That said, if Daily's Place can keep a busy schedule and sell a lot of tickets, it might make it more appealing to more relevant artists.
See Adam, we DO have more in common than just soccer! TFF is one of my all-time favorite groups and they are definitely not washed up. I wanted SO badly to see them down there, but timing just wasn't right.
Apparently they released a record a few years back? I was working at a record shop when Raoul and the Kings of Spain came out and I didn't care for it. The Hurting is the record for me!
But seriously - they are clearly doing the nostalgia tour thing, making money off of people who loved them when they were teenagers/20-somethings. That's okay - but maybe not my thing (as a general rule). I'd have gone and seen them, I think - if only as an excuse to check out Daily's Place. I'm glad they're getting bookings and it looks like a pretty cool venue.
You'll get no argument from me over The Hurting, nor Songs From The Big Chair, or Seeds of Love. After that, Curt left the group and Roland was basically putting out solo records under the TFF name. It shocks me that their last album was THIRTEEN years ago, already!!! I can still remember how excited I was when that came out, and it was just as killer as I hoped it would be. It's sad that people only know the four or five songs that became hits in the US; they were SO much more than that.
Quote from: Tacachale on June 12, 2017, 11:29:26 AM
On the other hand, on a personal note, I don't see any concerts in that list I'll be going to. There's at least one at the St. Augustine Amphitheater I want to see (Jason Isbell) and a few more at Ponte Vedra Concert Hall (Beach House 2 weeks ago, and Conor Oberst coming up), and I'll be travelling this summer/fall to see several acts that skipped NE Florida entirely. I hope at some point the Amphitheater moves beyond the classic rock/Hot 100 wheelhouse and gets a broader range of shows.
The Beach House show 2 weeks ago was amazing!
There's an awesome night time video on YouTube starting from the mainstreet bridge to Dailys Place if any one can find and post. I tried yesterday but couldn't get it to work, it's pretty awesome.
Quote from: KenFSU on June 12, 2017, 01:06:09 PM
Finally had a chance to check out Daily's Place last night for Third Eye Blind and Silversun Pickups. When I saw the pictures, I wasn't thrilled with all the concrete, didn't like that the video boards weren't included, etc. Being there in person though, Daily's Place absolutely blew me away. Place is INCREDIBLE. Don't think you can properly appreciate the venue without being there. Every seat is amazing. The acoustics are fantastic. The lighting is epic. The design is crazy, how it opens up to the stadium. It's a 5,500 seat venue that feels like an intimate 2,000 seat venue, and sounds like a 10,000 seater when the crowd gets going. It's exactly what Jacksonville needs, and it truthfully blows St. Augustine Amphitheater, which I love, out of the water. I don't even think the video screens are necessary, as the shows feel so special and personal as is. Though I do think that Daily's Place would be a great venue for screening Jags away games. Amazing place, Jacksonville should be proud.
I'm really pleased to read this from you, Ken. It dovetails with what I experienced and saw. I thought Mark Woods wrote a really disappointing column in the Times-Union after opening weekend that struck me as a bit bizarre and embarrassing. The utility of this place is going to be incredible. Now if they can just get a premier hotel & convention center type of space built across the street, we'll be cooking with gas!
Quote from: RattlerGator on June 15, 2017, 12:02:00 PM
Quote from: KenFSU on June 12, 2017, 01:06:09 PM
Finally had a chance to check out Daily's Place last night for Third Eye Blind and Silversun Pickups. When I saw the pictures, I wasn't thrilled with all the concrete, didn't like that the video boards weren't included, etc. Being there in person though, Daily's Place absolutely blew me away. Place is INCREDIBLE. Don't think you can properly appreciate the venue without being there. Every seat is amazing. The acoustics are fantastic. The lighting is epic. The design is crazy, how it opens up to the stadium. It's a 5,500 seat venue that feels like an intimate 2,000 seat venue, and sounds like a 10,000 seater when the crowd gets going. It's exactly what Jacksonville needs, and it truthfully blows St. Augustine Amphitheater, which I love, out of the water. I don't even think the video screens are necessary, as the shows feel so special and personal as is. Though I do think that Daily's Place would be a great venue for screening Jags away games. Amazing place, Jacksonville should be proud.
I'm really pleased to read this from you, Ken. It dovetails with what I experienced and saw. I thought Mark Woods wrote a really disappointing column in the Times-Union after opening weekend that struck me as a bit bizarre and embarrassing. The utility of this place is going to be incredible. Now if they can just get a premier hotel & convention center type of space built across the street, we'll be cooking with gas!
Yeah, I know the exact column you're talking about it. It also struck me as quite strange, anecdotally mentioning that it's less intimate than the St. Augustine amphitheater based solely on his wife's opinion. And I even agree with him that it's probably missing
something to give it a truly distinct feel (maybe something on top of the two concrete structures on either side of the stage, or lighting along the front of the balconies, etc.), but it's a genuinely incredible venue, and easily the most "intimate" amphitheater I've been inside of in terms of proximity to the stage. It genuinely does feel like a 2,000 seat theater. I think it's going to be a really special place too for events (Jags away games make so much sense here), and can't wait to see it open to the practice facility.
RE: The high ticket prices for Chicago relative other markets.
For what it's worth, less than 100 tickets remain for the show.
I think we'll see prices come down a little when the new car scent wears off a bit.
Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on June 12, 2017, 06:16:00 PM
Quote from: Tacachale on June 12, 2017, 05:25:16 PM
...didn't cost $50 a pop.
Looking for a date on the cheap? Since they didn't verify tickets on the way in the parking lot...
Stop by Publix on your way out, buy a rotisserie chicken picnic set up, a 4 pack of wine for her and a 6 pack of cold ones for yourself, go hang out in Parking lot J under the stars and listen to a band that you're 'eh, but not for $50' on.
I'm sure the Mrs. will appreciate your thriftiness. ;D
(https://media.giphy.com/media/puD2M1a83UFRm/giphy.gif)
* Full disclosure, I'm giving you one right out of my own playbook that I plan on using when there's a group I'd like to listen to, but don't care if I see or not.
Just want to say, this is a brilliant idea. Love that hustle.
Speaking of the Hart Bridge, saw this epic pic on the Jacksonville subreddit.
(https://i.redd.it/eulre50ek74z.jpg)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9-8wXJtX-g Here is an awesome video, hope its ok to post here
Quote from: Keith-N-Jax on June 18, 2017, 05:54:29 PM
Here is an awesome video, hope its ok to post here
https://www.youtube.com/v/R9-8wXJtX-g
You computer nerds :)
Quote from: Keith-N-Jax on June 18, 2017, 08:50:15 PM
You computer nerds :)
Lol, hardly. BT and I have explained it way too many times. It's just easier to fix it. (https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ596oi1tgHW9IdSH6G68JmYsfkoyPfsavSHZ2OxBJbxjvFn_TQ)
Besides, a lot of people use their phones for this site and I'm 95% on a laptop, so it's just easier to do. When I'm on my phone I rarely deal with images and videos because it's kind of a pita.
Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on June 18, 2017, 09:25:37 PM
Quote from: Keith-N-Jax on June 18, 2017, 08:50:15 PM
You computer nerds :)
Lol, hardly. BT and I have explained it way too many times. It's just easier to fix it. (https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ596oi1tgHW9IdSH6G68JmYsfkoyPfsavSHZ2OxBJbxjvFn_TQ)
Besides, a lot of people use their phones for this site and I'm 95% on a laptop, so it's just easier to do. When I'm on my phone I rarely deal with images and videos because it's kind of a pita.
Yep... lol
If one of you boffins would like to offer a tutorial on posting video, I'm definitely interested in learning.
Quote from: Adam White on June 19, 2017, 06:36:24 AM
If one of you boffins would like to offer a tutorial on posting video, I'm definitely interested in learning.
Hmmm... first define... boffin...
Quote from: BridgeTroll on June 19, 2017, 06:52:51 AM
Quote from: Adam White on June 19, 2017, 06:36:24 AM
If one of you boffins would like to offer a tutorial on posting video, I'm definitely interested in learning.
Hmmm... first define... boffin...
Oops. Techie, nerd, egghead, etc.
Quote from: Adam White on June 19, 2017, 07:10:19 AM
Quote from: BridgeTroll on June 19, 2017, 06:52:51 AM
Quote from: Adam White on June 19, 2017, 06:36:24 AM
If one of you boffins would like to offer a tutorial on posting video, I'm definitely interested in learning.
Hmmm... first define... boffin...
Oops. Techie, nerd, egghead, etc.
Oh... you mean IT professional... 8)
First select the "Insert Flash" button...
flash=200,200][/flashNext copy the embed code from the YouTube video below the Insert flash...
flash=200,200][/flash<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/R9-8wXJtX-g?ecver=1" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
Next select and copy ONLY the bold and Underlined portion of code below...
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="
https://www.youtube.com/embed/R9-8wXJtX-g?ecver=1" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
Paste it within the Insert flash brackets... and replace the word embed with a v... replace the 200, 200 with 560, 315
flash=560,315]https://www.youtube.com/v/R9-8wXJtX-g?ecver=1[/flashPreview for accuracy... and delete the full code you used to copy the usable portion from...voila
https://www.youtube.com/v/R9-8wXJtX-g?ecver=1
Clearly there are a couple steps you can skip but to start... this works...
https://www.youtube.com/v/R9-8wXJtX-g?ecver=1
It worked! Thanks, BT. I'll try to bookmark this or something.
Quote from: Adam White on June 19, 2017, 07:44:11 AM
https://www.youtube.com/v/R9-8wXJtX-g?ecver=1
It worked! Thanks, BT. I'll try to bookmark this or something.
(http://i.imgur.com/xAH7Jz0.png)
Per the Daily Record, the Jags are close to signing a naming rights deal for the covered flex field.
Lamping says it's a local business.
The complex will still be called Daily's Place, but the flex space will be named _______________________ at Daily's Place.
HOW ABOUT GETTING SOME NAMING RIGHTS FOR THAT DAMN ARENA???
How about getting rid of all naming rights. It sounds absolutely ridiculous. The St Augustine Amphitheater vs Daily's Place. Let's check the instant replay vs Let's check the Bowden Eye & Associates instant replay monitor. Stadium pools vs Smart Pharmacy Spas. Stadium club and seats vs US Assure Club.
Guaranteed Rate Field
Smoothie King Center
KFC Yum! Center
Tony Macaroni Arena
Talking Stick Resort Arena
University of Phoenix Stadium - A for profit college with no football team owns naming rights to an NFL stadium.
O.co Coliseum
Sleep Train Arena
Jobing.com Arena
Northeast Delta Dental Stadium
Save on Foods Memorial Center
sigh
^ Agree Jim!
Quote from: Jim on August 16, 2017, 12:10:02 PM
How about getting rid of all naming rights. It sounds absolutely ridiculous. The St Augustine Amphitheater vs Daily's Place. Let's check the instant replay vs Let's check the Bowden Eye & Associates instant replay monitor. Stadium pools vs Smart Pharmacy Spas. Stadium club and seats vs US Assure Club.
Guaranteed Rate Field
Smoothie King Center
KFC Yum! Center
Tony Macaroni Arena
Talking Stick Resort Arena
University of Phoenix Stadium - A for profit college with no football team owns naming rights to an NFL stadium.
O.co Coliseum
Sleep Train Arena
Jobing.com Arena
Northeast Delta Dental Stadium
Save on Foods Memorial Center
sigh
You're got to be kidding right?
He probably wants the stadium to be called the Gator Bowl again.
How about...Beach Road Chicken Dinners Ampitheater at Dailey's Place?
Quote from: copperfiend on August 17, 2017, 10:11:50 AM
He probably wants the stadium to be called the Gator Bowl again.
Jacksonville Municipal Stadium is fine.
And while not a stadium name, I just found feature in a new one that blows my mind. In the new Falcons stadium, there will be a Chik-Fil-A. You know, that chicken shack that isn't open on Sunday's?
Yeah it will only be open for one home game lol
Quote from: Jim on August 17, 2017, 12:22:44 PM
Quote from: copperfiend on August 17, 2017, 10:11:50 AM
He probably wants the stadium to be called the Gator Bowl again.
Jacksonville Municipal Stadium is fine.
And while not a stadium name, I just found feature in a new one that blows my mind. In the new Falcons stadium, there will be a Chik-Fil-A. You know, that chicken shack that isn't open on Sunday's?
But the Falcons are only one team playing there. The Atlanta MLS team will play there. There will be multiple college football games played. And plenty of concerts.
Quote from: Jim on August 16, 2017, 12:10:02 PM
How about getting rid of all naming rights. It sounds absolutely ridiculous. The St Augustine Amphitheater vs Daily's Place. Let's check the instant replay vs Let's check the Bowden Eye & Associates instant replay monitor. Stadium pools vs Smart Pharmacy Spas. Stadium club and seats vs US Assure Club.
It's all about the revenue that those sponsors bring in. I don't really have a problem with that kind of stuff (as far as amenity and venue sponsors). As long as the Jags players don't show up on the field like Brad Keselowski or someone covered in sponsor patches over their uniforms.
Agreed, I-10east.
I think the sponsorship names are lame, but they do bring in some money, which is hard to argue against.
I checked out Daily Place during the Bucs game, and it looks nice. It's also deceivingly spacious. One thing that stuck out, I checked out the 2nd and 3rd levels, and I was surprised on how short the plexi walls are on those upper decks (maybe 2 feet tall, if that). I didn't even wanna sit in the front row in the upper deck. One slip or trip the wrong way, and you're likely going over the side; Maybe if you're shorter than 5 feet tall, you're safe.
It's not only a Daily's Place thing, short upper deck walls are all over America. That's why so many people fall for upper decks in venues all over this country. It seems like venues are built to cram in as many seats as possible (#1 priority), with lil regard to safety as possible.