QuoteThe new developer of the Five Points building that has long housed antique store Fans & Stoves has major plans.
Jeff Morr, who closed on 1059 Park St. and 813 Lomax St. in July, is looking to get a new tenant in the building Fans & Stoves will be vacating in the fall and make improvements on the Lomax Street spaces.
Morr is in talks with three groups for the Fans & Stoves building, according to Matt Clark, broker for the building. Although he declined to say what groups were interested in the building, he said Morr is looking to fill the space with a retailer or restaurant.
Full article: http://www.bizjournals.com/jacksonville/blog/morning-edition/2016/02/new-owner-of-fans-stoves-building-has-big-plans.html
I think I'm hoping more for a retailer than another restaurant in the area.
Anyone have any idea who's considering moving in?
It would be interesting to know which retailer was interested in the space.
Quote from: johnnyliar on February 09, 2016, 10:19:55 AM
I think I'm hoping more for a retailer than another restaurant in the area.
Anyone have any idea who's considering moving in?
Quote from: JaxAvondale on February 09, 2016, 12:42:02 PM
It would be interesting to know which retailer was interested in the space.
Oooh I betcha it's gonna be some hip new retailer selling stoves!...and fans!...in Five Points!...Seriously can we let the owners of the property
BREATHE before we pelt this guy with annoying unanswerable queries? Not only the article states he wasn't releasing the names of potential tenants but it won't even be vacated until FALL at the earliest! I know some of you are just showing "concern" about a new biz being a "good fit" but I'm sure the owner will use due diligence in finding the right venture that would benefit the neighborhood and, duh, benefit the building he owns - just give it a little time, people.
But these nagging questions so early in the game? Tell me, did your parents fire up Marlboro Red after Marlboro Red and hit up their hip flasks on long road trips when you were kids??
^So you're allowed to nag Project Maximus about his Murray Hill property, but people can't be curious about a development in 5 points?
Calm down dude.
I was just curious if someone in the forum had some behind the scenes info, as they sometimes do.
I've never seen such a ridiculous over reaction on this forum before.
Seems like you need to go outside or something.
For those interested.....
Fans & Stoves, the brand, is still looking for a new spot to land.
However, a handful of the longtime antique vendors who have sold at Fans & Stoves for years will be opening their own antique shop across the street, next to Birdies. Should be open in March.
They're thinking about staying open late too, to accomdate the nightlife crowd. Should be cool.
Quote from: JaxJersey-licious on February 09, 2016, 01:44:03 PM
Quote from: johnnyliar on February 09, 2016, 10:19:55 AM
I think I'm hoping more for a retailer than another restaurant in the area.
Anyone have any idea who's considering moving in?
Quote from: JaxAvondale on February 09, 2016, 12:42:02 PM
It would be interesting to know which retailer was interested in the space.
Oooh I betcha it's gonna be some hip new retailer selling stoves!...and fans!...in Five Points!...Seriously can we let the owners of the property BREATHE before we pelt this guy with annoying unanswerable queries? Not only the article states he wasn't releasing the names of potential tenants but it won't even be vacated until FALL at the earliest! I know some of you are just showing "concern" about a new biz being a "good fit" but I'm sure the owner will use due diligence in finding the right venture that would benefit the neighborhood and, duh, benefit the building he owns - just give it a little time, people.
But these nagging questions so early in the game? Tell me, did your parents fire up Marlboro Red after Marlboro Red and hit up their hip flasks on long road trips when you were kids??
:o Sounded like a question out of curiosity. I don't see any pitchforks just yet.
Quote from: Captain Zissou on February 09, 2016, 01:49:51 PM
^So you're allowed to nag Project Maximus about his Murray Hill property, but people can't be curious about a development in 5 points?
That guys a douche though, so nag all you want. He belongs in St Nick with the rest of em. ;)
Quote from: Bill Hoff on February 09, 2016, 03:12:26 PM
They're thinking about staying open late too, to accomdate the nightlife crowd. Should be cool.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1xCqptlNcM
Quote from: ProjectMaximus on February 09, 2016, 03:40:42 PM
That guys a douche though, so nag all you want. He belongs in St Nick with the rest of em. ;)
You wish you could run with the St Nick Crew. They're an exclusive group.
Quote from: ProjectMaximus on February 09, 2016, 03:40:42 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1xCqptlNcM
Wow, that took a weird turn. That was hilarious!
Lomax is the undervalued gem of 5-points. He's gonna rock it!
Quote from: JaxJersey-licious on February 09, 2016, 01:44:03 PM
Quote from: johnnyliar on February 09, 2016, 10:19:55 AM
I think I'm hoping more for a retailer than another restaurant in the area.
Anyone have any idea who's considering moving in?
Quote from: JaxAvondale on February 09, 2016, 12:42:02 PM
It would be interesting to know which retailer was interested in the space.
Oooh I betcha it's gonna be some hip new retailer selling stoves!...and fans!...in Five Points!...Seriously can we let the owners of the property BREATHE before we pelt this guy with annoying unanswerable queries? Not only the article states he wasn't releasing the names of potential tenants but it won't even be vacated until FALL at the earliest! I know some of you are just showing "concern" about a new biz being a "good fit" but I'm sure the owner will use due diligence in finding the right venture that would benefit the neighborhood and, duh, benefit the building he owns - just give it a little time, people.
But these nagging questions so early in the game? Tell me, did your parents fire up Marlboro Red after Marlboro Red and hit up their hip flasks on long road trips when you were kids??
After a bit of Ash Wednesday soul searching, I feel an apology is due concerning my initial post. Although the main point I was trying to make still stands my efforts at levity in the post, looking back, comes across as more angry and mean-spirited than I intended. This I regret.
Quote from: Bill Hoff on February 09, 2016, 03:12:26 PM
For those interested.....
Fans & Stoves, the brand, is still looking for a new spot to land.
However, a handful of the longtime antique vendors who have sold at Fans & Stoves for years will be opening their own antique shop across the street, next to Birdies. Should be open in March.
They're thinking about staying open late too, to accomodate the nightlife crowd. Should be cool.
So this would be the 5 Points Antiques spot?
Quote from: JaxJersey-licious on February 10, 2016, 07:25:44 AM
Quote from: JaxJersey-licious on February 09, 2016, 01:44:03 PM
Quote from: johnnyliar on February 09, 2016, 10:19:55 AM
I think I'm hoping more for a retailer than another restaurant in the area.
Anyone have any idea who's considering moving in?
Quote from: JaxAvondale on February 09, 2016, 12:42:02 PM
It would be interesting to know which retailer was interested in the space.
Oooh I betcha it's gonna be some hip new retailer selling stoves!...and fans!...in Five Points!...Seriously can we let the owners of the property BREATHE before we pelt this guy with annoying unanswerable queries? Not only the article states he wasn't releasing the names of potential tenants but it won't even be vacated until FALL at the earliest! I know some of you are just showing "concern" about a new biz being a "good fit" but I'm sure the owner will use due diligence in finding the right venture that would benefit the neighborhood and, duh, benefit the building he owns - just give it a little time, people.
But these nagging questions so early in the game? Tell me, did your parents fire up Marlboro Red after Marlboro Red and hit up their hip flasks on long road trips when you were kids??
After a bit of Ash Wednesday soul searching, I feel an apology is due concerning my initial post. Although the main point I was trying to make still stands my efforts at levity in the post, looking back, comes across as more angry and mean-spirited than I intended. This I regret.
I actually thought your post was funny. My curiousity with the possibility of a retailer was more towards thinking that restaurants now anchor shopping strips in this area. The thought never occurred to me that another retailer would go in that space especially with the plans to make Lomax more walkable.
Quote from: johnnyliar on February 09, 2016, 01:55:01 PM
Calm down dude.
I was just curious if someone in the forum had some behind the scenes info, as they sometimes do.
I've never seen such a ridiculous over reaction on this forum before.
Seems like you need to go outside or something.
Never seen such an overreaction before on this board?
Then you have never seen this thread!!!
http://www.metrojacksonville.com/forum/index.php?topic=4577.0
Its hilarious
^There went a half hour of my day. What a great thread that was.
Haha that was before my time.
But i'm enjoying reading through it!
Quote from: Bill Hoff on February 09, 2016, 03:12:26 PM
For those interested.....
Fans & Stoves, the brand, is still looking for a new spot to land.
However, a handful of the longtime antique vendors who have sold at Fans & Stoves for years will be opening their own antique shop across the street, next to Birdies. Should be open in March.
They're thinking about staying open late too, to accomdate the nightlife crowd. Should be cool.
Update: Fans & Stoves, the brand, will be moving just around the corner: 800 Lomax.
That's great news!
Back in the day,my wife actually sold fans there. Made good $$$
Does that makes us 'Ol Timers'? ;D
So interesting to witness neighborhood events over time.
http://www.bizjournals.com/jacksonville/news/2016/02/11/why-a-miami-developer-is-taking-interest-in.html
Any idea what he will be doing with 2008 Riverside? I always thought residential made more sense there than office space.
^Many of the tenants there are relatively new (I know the Pediatric Dentist is). This one might just be purely long-term investment.
Quote from: johnnyliar on February 09, 2016, 10:19:55 AM
I think I'm hoping more for a retailer than another restaurant in the area.
Anyone have any idea who's considering moving in?
I hear strong rumors of a multi hundred seat restaurant heading to this space? Other thoughts?
Nope. No parking
Quote from: MusicMan on May 16, 2016, 03:42:32 PM
Nope. No parking
And a million voices were silenced in 4 syllables...
Why is this concept so difficult to understand?
You can make money with a restaurant. The higher quality the food, the smaller your margins.
You can make exponentially better money with a restaurant that serves liquor.
Not only does it allow the chef a little more leeway to be creative in his menu, but it also offers the restaurant a fighting chance to sustain itself past that dreaded 3 year mark.
The majority of these owners don't want large restaurants just to own a large restaurant; They just want to hit the minimum seating threshold to be allowed to sell liquor and make a decent profit.
There are quite a few posters on here who have been banging this drum for a while, but I guess it bears repeating.
A lot of the energy put into fighting these perceived: parking issues, too-large development issues, lack of existing build-out issues, etc... would be put to much better use in fighting the state minimums for liquor sales rather than fighting the entrepreneurs who are only trying to meet the threshold of a made-up number that is set too high to be realistically achieved in the majority of re-build work in a neighborhood such as Riverside.
From now on let's stop worrying about parking, just go back to what the COJ basically applied to the Ortega Boat Yard Condo Conversion that politically,was just outside RAP Boundary and related scrutiny and involvement. Easy!-just let parking go where it may,adjacent areas,after all,the overflow is only during peak times..... let 'er Fly! ;)
Quote from: Sentient on May 16, 2016, 01:32:16 PM
Quote from: johnnyliar on February 09, 2016, 10:19:55 AM
I think I'm hoping more for a retailer than another restaurant in the area.
Anyone have any idea who's considering moving in?
I hear strong rumors of a multi hundred seat restaurant heading to this space? Other thoughts?
I am aware of a potential tenant that would immediately become my go to spot in the urban core...although they would be trying a new concept in this space that would be more alcohol-focused. That's all I will say for the folks who know me and know what type of food I like...I will not be giving anymore clues lol.
I apologize. I was trying to be funny. I'm mostly a free market build what you want person, and I agree the perceived lack of parking is something many areas would be glad to put up with. This neighborhood was designed in the 1920's and we just have to make it work best we can.
Quote from: MusicMan on May 16, 2016, 05:17:24 PM
I apologize. I was trying to be funny. I'm mostly a free market build what you want person, and I agree the perceived lack of parking is something many areas would be glad to put up with. This neighborhood was designed in the 1920's and we just have to make it work best we can.
No worries. You may have been kidding around, but unfortunately there are thousands who say the same things and are dead-fucking serious.
For whatever reasons, people get absolutely mortified over this 150 seat # that is completely arbitrary and also a capacity and not normal.
I'm sure the same people who bitch the most are the same people who bring guests to places such as Mojo, Mellow, Blacksheep, etc...
If they would/could quit the in-fighting and actually try to solve the originating problem (an arbitrary seat minimum), it would be a win for both the consumers and the neighborhood.
Quote from: ProjectMaximus on May 16, 2016, 04:36:29 PM
Quote from: Sentient on May 16, 2016, 01:32:16 PM
Quote from: johnnyliar on February 09, 2016, 10:19:55 AM
I think I'm hoping more for a retailer than another restaurant in the area.
Anyone have any idea who's considering moving in?
I hear strong rumors of a multi hundred seat restaurant heading to this space? Other thoughts?
I am aware of a potential tenant that would immediately become my go to spot in the urban core...although they would be trying a new concept in this space that would be more alcohol-focused. That's all I will say for the folks who know me and know what type of food I like...I will not be giving anymore clues lol.
so it's true then.... Interesting.
Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on May 16, 2016, 04:11:19 PM
Quote from: MusicMan on May 16, 2016, 03:42:32 PM
Nope. No parking
And a million voices were silenced in 4 syllables...
Why is this concept so difficult to understand?
You can make money with a restaurant. The higher quality the food, the smaller your margins.
You can make exponentially better money with a restaurant that serves liquor.
Not only does it allow the chef a little more leeway to be creative in his menu, but it also offers the restaurant a fighting chance to sustain itself past that dreaded 3 year mark.
The majority of these owners don't want large restaurants just to own a large restaurant; They just want to hit the minimum seating threshold to be allowed to sell liquor and make a decent profit.
There are quite a few posters on here who have been banging this drum for a while, but I guess it bears repeating.
A lot of the energy put into fighting these perceived: parking issues, too-large development issues, lack of existing build-out issues, etc... would be put to much better use in fighting the state minimums for liquor sales rather than fighting the entrepreneurs who are only trying to meet the threshold of a made-up number that is set too high to be realistically achieved in the majority of re-build work in a neighborhood such as Riverside.
These are county minimum seating standards, so Jax is well positioned to be at the vanguard here. They already have 100 seat J Bill (but crap area coverage) and a Downtown equivalent. They can move to 50 or lower if they wanted to.
Quote from: ProjectMaximus on May 16, 2016, 04:36:29 PM
Quote from: Sentient on May 16, 2016, 01:32:16 PM
Quote from: johnnyliar on February 09, 2016, 10:19:55 AM
I think I'm hoping more for a retailer than another restaurant in the area.
Anyone have any idea who's considering moving in?
I hear strong rumors of a multi hundred seat restaurant heading to this space? Other thoughts?
I am aware of a potential tenant that would immediately become my go to spot in the urban core...although they would be trying a new concept in this space that would be more alcohol-focused. That's all I will say for the folks who know me and know what type of food I like...I will not be giving anymore clues lol.
Senor Frogs. Everyone already knows.
Quote from: Sentient on May 16, 2016, 09:16:40 PM
Quote from: ProjectMaximus on May 16, 2016, 04:36:29 PM
Quote from: Sentient on May 16, 2016, 01:32:16 PM
Quote from: johnnyliar on February 09, 2016, 10:19:55 AM
I think I'm hoping more for a retailer than another restaurant in the area.
Anyone have any idea who's considering moving in?
I hear strong rumors of a multi hundred seat restaurant heading to this space? Other thoughts?
I am aware of a potential tenant that would immediately become my go to spot in the urban core...although they would be trying a new concept in this space that would be more alcohol-focused. That's all I will say for the folks who know me and know what type of food I like...I will not be giving anymore clues lol.
so it's true then.... Interesting.
No I don't know...may be a different rumor. All I know is literally what I said...aware of a potential tenant. As in submitted LOI and perhaps discussing/negotiating. I personally think it's kind of a longshot.
Quote from: Bill Hoff on May 16, 2016, 09:33:36 PM
Senor Frogs. Everyone already knows.
My Phil Laak poker face 8)
Taco Lu? ;D
What type of food do you like Maximus?
Quote from: ProjectMaximus on May 16, 2016, 04:36:29 PM
Quote from: Sentient on May 16, 2016, 01:32:16 PM
Quote from: johnnyliar on February 09, 2016, 10:19:55 AM
I think I'm hoping more for a retailer than another restaurant in the area.
Anyone have any idea who's considering moving in?
I hear strong rumors of a multi hundred seat restaurant heading to this space? Other thoughts?
I am aware of a potential tenant that would immediately become my go to spot in the urban core...although they would be trying a new concept in this space that would be more alcohol-focused. That's all I will say for the folks who know me and know what type of food I like...I will not be giving anymore clues lol.
King's: A Burger and Bourbon Bar - A Burger King Concept for millennials.
Quote from: Captain Zissou on May 17, 2016, 09:56:01 AM
Quote from: ProjectMaximus on May 16, 2016, 04:36:29 PM
Quote from: Sentient on May 16, 2016, 01:32:16 PM
Quote from: johnnyliar on February 09, 2016, 10:19:55 AM
I think I'm hoping more for a retailer than another restaurant in the area.
Anyone have any idea who's considering moving in?
I hear strong rumors of a multi hundred seat restaurant heading to this space? Other thoughts?
I am aware of a potential tenant that would immediately become my go to spot in the urban core...although they would be trying a new concept in this space that would be more alcohol-focused. That's all I will say for the folks who know me and know what type of food I like...I will not be giving anymore clues lol.
King's: A Burger and Bourbon Bar - A Burger King Concept for millennials.
Ramen, karaoke, and soju...together at last!!!!
Quote from: FlaBoy on May 17, 2016, 09:09:53 AM
Taco Lu? ;D
Quote from: Captain Zissou on May 17, 2016, 09:56:01 AM
King's: A Burger and Bourbon Bar - A Burger King Concept for millennials.
Quote from: JaxJersey-licious on May 17, 2016, 01:11:28 PM
Ramen, karaoke, and soju...together at last!!!!
All three of you know me so well! The winner is some combination of these I suppose. ;D
Any updates?