http://jacksonville.com/business/2015-08-25/story/hoptinger-open-five-points#cxrecs_s
While its good news for the area, parking would be chaotic over there.
Time for light rail/streetcar!! 8)
We have the trolley, just need to get the damn JTA to run the thing on a regular basis.
What we really need to look at is Park Street on the backside of 220 Riverside. All those empty buildings, to use that space for more growth, it could become a great entertainment district to feed 220 and the projects going on there, and help with the load that 5-points is receiving, because there will come a time when people avoid the area due to lack of parking and we are going to see issues like the "striping" in 5-points and issues like we are seeing along King Street and with the residents.
JTA is planning BRT down Park Street, so you'll get your regular bus service soon.
QuoteJTA is planning BRT down Park Street, so you'll get your regular bus service soon.
Not enough. There needs to be a continuous service route down Park to Edgewood to Herschel and back around on St. Johns down to Riverside and back around again on Park Street, through 5 points. Parking is going to get worse with more bar/restaurants. The establishments should then also have fees tied to support the route and buses, after all, they cannot all provide enough parking spots for their guests.
Quote from: Rynjny on August 26, 2015, 12:09:41 AM
http://jacksonville.com/business/2015-08-25/story/hoptinger-open-five-points#cxrecs_s
While its good news for the area, parking would be chaotic over there.
There comes a point in neighborhoods like this where if you are going to drive you may just have to park down the street and walk a couple blocks. It's the way it is done elsewhere. But this is good, the conversations about other modes of transportation have begun. Density and not being able to find parking is not such a bad thing. It usually means the neighborhood is doing well.
I've never had trouble finding a spot in 5 points, and I frequent the area.
That being said, you've got to be willing to walk 3 blocks, but it's never more than that.
Quote from: mtraininjax on August 26, 2015, 07:06:58 AM
QuoteJTA is planning BRT down Park Street, so you'll get your regular bus service soon.
Not enough. There needs to be a continuous service route down Park to Edgewood to Herschel and back around on St. Johns down to Riverside and back around again on Park Street, through 5 points. Parking is going to get worse with more bar/restaurants. The establishments should then also have fees tied to support the route and buses, after all, they cannot all provide enough parking spots for their guests.
The Flyer will be a bus stopping, at least in Five Points, Park & King, and perhaps Brooklyn, every 10 to 15 minutes. A community shuttle coordinated with the Flyer could be a way to tie in Edgewood and St. Johns Avenue. Anyway, for Riverside to have its own long term continuous loop, it's going to really have to add some true density to support such an operation.
Wholeheartedly agree. The vibrancy we seek often results from retail and residential density where land uses are NOT spread out by accommodations for cars. Plenty of cities deal with this in their "happening" districts...and yes, you end up walking a couple blocks (or if out on the town drinking, you "uber in and uber out"). Not that there should be no thought given to parking, but hopefully we are after a broad-based and uninterrupted density of mixed uses.
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Quote from: Rynjny on August 26, 2015, 12:09:41 AM
http://jacksonville.com/business/2015-08-25/story/hoptinger-open-five-points#cxrecs_s
While its good news for the area, parking would be chaotic over there.
There comes a point in neighborhoods like this where if you are going to drive you may just have to park down the street and walk a couple blocks. It's the way it is done elsewhere. But this is good, the conversations about other modes of transportation have begun. Density and not being able to find parking is not such a bad thing. It usually means the neighborhood is doing well.
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...there will come a time...
Random, but the exact lyrics played precisely as I was reading the words. I thought everyone should know.
http://www.youtube.com/v/T08EafkXARo
I really like the look of this. I think that 5 points is already kind of hectic and you won't be able to feel the increased traffic from hoptinger from a parking perspective. It's like when MM opened in Avondale. It was already pretty crowded and you had to walk a block, but that didn't really increase once MM opened. RPDS really needs to open some of their parking lots during evening hours. The 5 points merchants association should work on a deal for that.
We've beaten this dead horse in other threads...but there is not, I REPEAT, not a parking problem anywhere in Jacksonville.
Not even close.
QuoteI REPEAT, not a parking problem anywhere in Jacksonville.
You are correct.
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We've beaten this dead horse in other threads...but there is not, I REPEAT, not a parking problem anywhere in Jacksonville.
Not even close.
Yeah there is - the Church of the Good Shepherd on Forbes. I lived across the street and when they were having services or meetings or whatever (Sundays or weeknights) those c*nts would always park up and down the street and block and either take their spaces or block them in. This isn't due to capacity as much as it is to laziness and just general lack of consideration!
^Sounds like an enforcement problem. Hit them up for a few tickets on Sunday and they'll repent and conform.
Quote from: thelakelander on September 12, 2015, 08:30:32 AM
^Sounds like an enforcement problem. Hit them up for a few tickets on Sunday and they'll repent and conform.
I never really thought of that. Lord knows I called the church a million times and complained. In the scheme of things, it was a really minor inconvenience. But boy did it irritate me!
Makes a lot of sense to turn empty buildings in Brooklyn into bars and nightclubs and restaurants. I think that could be a great entertainment district.
Quote from: mtraininjax on August 26, 2015, 06:48:58 AM
We have the trolley, just need to get the damn JTA to run the thing on a regular basis.
What we really need to look at is Park Street on the backside of 220 Riverside. All those empty buildings, to use that space for more growth, it could become a great entertainment district to feed 220 and the projects going on there, and help with the load that 5-points is receiving, because there will come a time when people avoid the area due to lack of parking and we are going to see issues like the "striping" in 5-points and issues like we are seeing along King Street and with the residents.
I just saw a rendering on Steve William's Facebook page and it looks like the building will have a rooftop bar. This is going to be a GREAT project for the neighborhood. I tried to post the picture, but I don't know how to do that from my phone.
Quote from: Captain Zissou on October 15, 2015, 09:34:47 AM
I just saw a rendering on Steve William's Facebook page and it looks like the building will have a rooftop bar. This is going to be a GREAT project for the neighborhood. I tried to post the picture, but I don't know how to do that from my phone.
(https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/t31.0-8/12068636_10207799680096816_6315540587548423036_o.jpg)
Looks so awesome.
Would someone mind posting the rendering?
Tacachale posted it. If you're viewing it on a work comp, the image could be blocked. I looked it up on my phone and it's visible.
Any update on when they are projected to be opening?
God I hope they keep the cheese curds on the menu... 8)
I think it looks good but only time will tell. Another rooftop bar would definitely start to put 5 points on the path towards being a nightlife destination.
As I'm involved in this project, I'll fill in some gaps.
@Rachel - it will absolutely fit the character of the strip, because it's not up to us. We have to work with the Preservation society and within their bounds. Believe me, there's stuff we'd like to do that would be amazing (that others in the past have been allowed to do), but they want to maintain that same storefront.
We should start buildout in about 45 days. We've been waiting for the owner to finish doing his part so that it's ready for us. As everyone knows, it's an old building; to do what we need to do in there required some extra engineering.
There will be a rooftop bar. It will be bad ass.
There will be cheese curds.
We will be working with artists from 5 Points for the interior artwork. As we get closer to that time, I'll appreciate any recommendations.
For people with parking hangups: we're trying to negotiate to get that big property behind the strip. We will have a back entrance as well, so ideally that will happen. If it does, it will be a huge benefit for the whole area.
Hope this helps.
~j.
Quote from: RockStar on February 19, 2016, 05:04:38 PMWe have to work with the Preservation society and within their bounds. Believe me, there's stuff we'd like to do that would be amazing (that others in the past have been allowed to do), but they want to maintain that same storefront.
To clarify for others, the regulations are from the JHPC, not RAP. RAP has no legislative authority.
Regardless, this project is awesome-saving a historic building AND who doesn't like a rooftop bar?
I would love some the five points venues to include a live music component. Just some patio guitar singer songwriter types would be cool.
Quote from: RockStar on February 19, 2016, 05:04:38 PM
As I'm involved in this project, I'll fill in some gaps.
@Rachel - it will absolutely fit the character of the strip, because it's not up to us. We have to work with the Preservation society and within their bounds. Believe me, there's stuff we'd like to do that would be amazing (that others in the past have been allowed to do), but they want to maintain that same storefront.
We should start buildout in about 45 days. We've been waiting for the owner to finish doing his part so that it's ready for us. As everyone knows, it's an old building; to do what we need to do in there required some extra engineering.
There will be a rooftop bar. It will be bad ass.
There will be cheese curds.
We will be working with artists from 5 Points for the interior artwork. As we get closer to that time, I'll appreciate any recommendations.
For people with parking hangups: we're trying to negotiate to get that big property behind the strip. We will have a back entrance as well, so ideally that will happen. If it does, it will be a huge benefit for the whole area.
Hope this helps.
~j.
Thanks Jason!
Quote from: RockStar on February 19, 2016, 05:04:38 PM
As I'm involved in this project, I'll fill in some gaps.
@Rachel - it will absolutely fit the character of the strip, because it's not up to us. We have to work with the Preservation society and within their bounds. Believe me, there's stuff we'd like to do that would be amazing (that others in the past have been allowed to do), but they want to maintain that same storefront.
We should start buildout in about 45 days. We've been waiting for the owner to finish doing his part so that it's ready for us. As everyone knows, it's an old building; to do what we need to do in there required some extra engineering.
There will be a rooftop bar. It will be bad ass.
There will be cheese curds.
We will be working with artists from 5 Points for the interior artwork. As we get closer to that time, I'll appreciate any recommendations.
For people with parking hangups: we're trying to negotiate to get that big property behind the strip. We will have a back entrance as well, so ideally that will happen. If it does, it will be a huge benefit for the whole area.
Hope this helps.
~j.
What property behind are you talking about? Are you trying to buy it or negotiate to use it for parking? There are noncontributing structures on Oak St. that could be demolished and in its place an appropriately designed parking garage for 5 Points==maybe with retail on the first floor.
^ I highly doubt the Hoptinger will be building a parking garage. That would likely need to be a coalition of businesses and/or government.
Quote from: tufsu1 on February 20, 2016, 10:22:03 PM
^ I highly doubt the Hoptinger will be building a parking garage. That would likely need to be a coalition of businesses and/or government.
I realize that.
Quote from: RockStar on February 19, 2016, 05:04:38 PM
We will be working with artists from 5 Points for the interior artwork. As we get closer to that time, I'll appreciate any recommendations.
~j.
I know you're not ready, yet, but I will be interested when you're starting to look for artists. I live on Forbes down by 5 Points, so I'm definitely a local artist. :)
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Quote from: tufsu1 on February 20, 2016, 10:22:03 PM
^ I highly doubt the Hoptinger will be building a parking garage. That would likely need to be a coalition of businesses and/or government.
I realize that.
We don't need a parking garage.
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Quote from: FlaBoy on February 19, 2016, 03:26:19 PM
I think it looks good but only time will tell. Another rooftop bar would definitely start to put 5 points on the path towards being a nightlife destination.
?? Because it isn't already? I don't follow...
5 Points is ok but it is not the place to be in Jax at midnight on a Saturday night. The Beaches are way ahead. 5 Points could be a real destination for nightlife. Not just a few bars.
Quote from: RockStar on February 19, 2016, 05:04:38 PM
As I'm involved in this project, I'll fill in some gaps.
@Rachel - it will absolutely fit the character of the strip, because it's not up to us. We have to work with the Preservation society and within their bounds. Believe me, there's stuff we'd like to do that would be amazing (that others in the past have been allowed to do), but they want to maintain that same storefront.
We should start buildout in about 45 days. We've been waiting for the owner to finish doing his part so that it's ready for us. As everyone knows, it's an old building; to do what we need to do in there required some extra engineering.
There will be a rooftop bar. It will be bad ass.
There will be cheese curds.
We will be working with artists from 5 Points for the interior artwork. As we get closer to that time, I'll appreciate any recommendations.
For people with parking hangups: we're trying to negotiate to get that big property behind the strip. We will have a back entrance as well, so ideally that will happen. If it does, it will be a huge benefit for the whole area.
Hope this helps.
~j.
I saw some more work going on. Any updates on how things are progressing?
Quote from: RockStar on February 19, 2016, 05:04:38 PM
As I'm involved in this project, I'll fill in some gaps.
@Rachel - it will absolutely fit the character of the strip, because it's not up to us. We have to work with the Preservation society and within their bounds. Believe me, there's stuff we'd like to do that would be amazing (that others in the past have been allowed to do), but they want to maintain that same storefront.
We should start buildout in about 45 days. We've been waiting for the owner to finish doing his part so that it's ready for us. As everyone knows, it's an old building; to do what we need to do in there required some extra engineering.
There will be a rooftop bar. It will be bad ass.
There will be cheese curds.
We will be working with artists from 5 Points for the interior artwork. As we get closer to that time, I'll appreciate any recommendations.
For people with parking hangups: we're trying to negotiate to get that big property behind the strip. We will have a back entrance as well, so ideally that will happen. If it does, it will be a huge benefit for the whole area.
Hope this helps.
~j.
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Let me know when you guess get around to looking for a band. I've got the perfect one for the place!
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I think it looks good but only time will tell. Another rooftop bar would definitely start to put 5 points on the path towards being a nightlife destination.
?? Because it isn't already? I don't follow...
5 Points is ok but it is not the place to be in Jax at midnight on a Saturday night. The Beaches are way ahead. 5 Points could be a real destination for nightlife. Not just a few bars.
Different strokes I guess. Unless I'm being paid, I'm not going to the beach on Friday or Saturday night. The Beach crowd is definitely a younger vibe (or at least they think they just turned 21), where Riverside tends to be a little older. I'm just not a huge fan of Jax Beach culture - I feel like it's where ambition goes to die.
No offense to anyone out there, my personal opinion.
Agreed in some ways. 5 Points could be the next SoHo in Tampa.
Quote from: FlaBoy on March 25, 2016, 10:08:38 AM
Agreed in some ways. 5 Points could be the next SoHo in Tampa.
Riverside (5 points and King st.) should definitely be trying to emulate what SoHo has developed into! I think there are a lot of commonalities. Hoptinger will go a long way towards realizing this I think.
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Quote from: FlaBoy on February 19, 2016, 03:26:19 PM
I think it looks good but only time will tell. Another rooftop bar would definitely start to put 5 points on the path towards being a nightlife destination.
?? Because it isn't already? I don't follow...
5 Points is ok but it is not the place to be in Jax at midnight on a Saturday night. The Beaches are way ahead. 5 Points could be a real destination for nightlife. Not just a few bars.
Different strokes I guess. Unless I'm being paid, I'm not going to the beach on Friday or Saturday night. The Beach crowd is definitely a younger vibe (or at least they think they just turned 21), where Riverside tends to be a little older. I'm just not a huge fan of Jax Beach culture - I feel like it's where ambition goes to die.
No offense to anyone out there, my personal opinion.
The beach bars are where UNF students like myself go. I mean occasionally college students go to Riverside but the beaches are just way closer so that's why it seems like everyone just turned 21... because most of us just did haha. It's 100% a younger crowd. But I think that's a good thing because it makes it much more lively. Not that the Riverside scene is old, but a few more college kids wouldn't be a bad thing. All these new bars will go a long way in helping to develop it further.
I would never go to the beaches! My friends go but I prefer the mellow riverside area.
I didn't know they had vegan options at hoptinger (Never been). I'm excited now!
Quote from: benfranklinbof on March 25, 2016, 04:26:41 PM
I didn't know they had vegan options at hoptinger (Never been). I'm excited now!
Pretty sure deep fried cheese curds vegan... ;D
Is there a projected Opening Date?
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Quote from: FlaBoy on March 25, 2016, 10:08:38 AM
Agreed in some ways. 5 Points could be the next SoHo in Tampa.
Riverside (5 points and King st.) should definitely be trying to emulate what SoHo has developed into! I think there are a lot of commonalities. Hoptinger will go a long way towards realizing this I think.
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Quote from: FlaBoy on February 19, 2016, 03:26:19 PM
I think it looks good but only time will tell. Another rooftop bar would definitely start to put 5 points on the path towards being a nightlife destination.
?? Because it isn't already? I don't follow...
5 Points is ok but it is not the place to be in Jax at midnight on a Saturday night. The Beaches are way ahead. 5 Points could be a real destination for nightlife. Not just a few bars.
Different strokes I guess. Unless I'm being paid, I'm not going to the beach on Friday or Saturday night. The Beach crowd is definitely a younger vibe (or at least they think they just turned 21), where Riverside tends to be a little older. I'm just not a huge fan of Jax Beach culture - I feel like it's where ambition goes to die.
No offense to anyone out there, my personal opinion.
The beach bars are where UNF students like myself go. I mean occasionally college students go to Riverside but the beaches are just way closer so that's why it seems like everyone just turned 21... because most of us just did haha. It's 100% a younger crowd. But I think that's a good thing because it makes it much more lively. Not that the Riverside scene is old, but a few more college kids wouldn't be a bad thing. All these new bars will go a long way in helping to develop it further.
There will always be more sophisticated bars for older crowds. 5 Points actually is becoming well positioned to be maybe even a cooler strip than SoHo if we get it right. It is more walkable with a cool feel. There is a lot more parking to the northeast that is not on residential streets unlike King St. and Brooklyn is right next door which would help inspire more residential development within walking distance.
They should really do a "First Friday" in 5 Points like is done in St. Pete or Orlando. They are hugely successful. Jax has not had a place with enough bars on a single strip to make something like that happen. Maybe now is the time.
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I think it looks good but only time will tell. Another rooftop bar would definitely start to put 5 points on the path towards being a nightlife destination.
?? Because it isn't already? I don't follow...
5 Points is ok but it is not the place to be in Jax at midnight on a Saturday night. The Beaches are way ahead. 5 Points could be a real destination for nightlife. Not just a few bars.
Different strokes I guess. Unless I'm being paid, I'm not going to the beach on Friday or Saturday night. The Beach crowd is definitely a younger vibe (or at least they think they just turned 21), where Riverside tends to be a little older. I'm just not a huge fan of Jax Beach culture - I feel like it's where ambition goes to die.
No offense to anyone out there, my personal opinion.
Ambition goes to die? What? I'm 27 and I've lived in both Riverside and the Beaches (where I grew up) I just happen to prefer living a couple blocks from the ocean. If you ask me there's much more to be excited about development wise at the beaches more than anywhere else in Jax.
Well I've been thinking that an organization should start up in order to promote the area as a whole anyways. Kinda like The Elbow district in DTJax. They could organize a first Friday event and basically market for the 5 points area.
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I think it looks good but only time will tell. Another rooftop bar would definitely start to put 5 points on the path towards being a nightlife destination.
?? Because it isn't already? I don't follow...
5 Points is ok but it is not the place to be in Jax at midnight on a Saturday night. The Beaches are way ahead. 5 Points could be a real destination for nightlife. Not just a few bars.
Different strokes I guess. Unless I'm being paid, I'm not going to the beach on Friday or Saturday night. The Beach crowd is definitely a younger vibe (or at least they think they just turned 21), where Riverside tends to be a little older. I'm just not a huge fan of Jax Beach culture - I feel like it's where ambition goes to die.
No offense to anyone out there, my personal opinion.
Ambition goes to die? What? I'm 27 and I've lived in both Riverside and the Beaches (where I grew up) I just happen to prefer living a couple blocks from the ocean. If you ask me there's much more to be excited about development wise at the beaches more than anywhere else in Jax.
I grew up at the Beach too, and I'll say there's plenty to dislike about the culture of the area. Just as there's plenty to dislike about Riverside snobbery and pretentiousness. Both places have an obnoxious streak of exceptionalism and isolationism that stands in contrast to how much the neighborhood economies are based on attracting visitors.
One difference, I think, is that Riverside has a pretty good sense of itself, and what makes it a special place. You see that in the people who move there, the businesses that open up there, and the projects the neighborhood organizations take on. I don't get that at the Beach. The leadership often doesn't seem to get quite why the Beaches became an attractive neighborhood to begin with, beyond just being close to the ocean.
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I think it looks good but only time will tell. Another rooftop bar would definitely start to put 5 points on the path towards being a nightlife destination.
?? Because it isn't already? I don't follow...
5 Points is ok but it is not the place to be in Jax at midnight on a Saturday night. The Beaches are way ahead. 5 Points could be a real destination for nightlife. Not just a few bars.
Different strokes I guess. Unless I'm being paid, I'm not going to the beach on Friday or Saturday night. The Beach crowd is definitely a younger vibe (or at least they think they just turned 21), where Riverside tends to be a little older. I'm just not a huge fan of Jax Beach culture - I feel like it's where ambition goes to die.
No offense to anyone out there, my personal opinion.
Ambition goes to die? What? I'm 27 and I've lived in both Riverside and the Beaches (where I grew up) I just happen to prefer living a couple blocks from the ocean. If you ask me there's much more to be excited about development wise at the beaches more than anywhere else in Jax.
I grew up at the Beach too, and I'll say there's plenty to dislike about the culture of the area. Just as there's plenty to dislike about Riverside snobbery and pretentiousness. Both places have an obnoxious streak of exceptionalism and isolationism that stands in contrast to how much the neighborhood economies are based on attracting visitors.
One difference, I think, is that Riverside has a pretty good sense of itself, and what makes it a special place. You see that in the people who move there, the businesses that open up there, and the projects the neighborhood organizations take on. I don't get that at the Beach. The leadership often doesn't seem to get quite why the Beaches became an attractive neighborhood to begin with, beyond just being close to the ocean.
As far as the leadership is concerned you're probably right. However, I think Jax Beach has a pretty good sense of its identity. It's surf culture/beach bum hippies and then rich families. Similar to the rich family/old money and hipster divide in Riverside. I will say though that the "Fletcher kids" are some of the most annoying people you'll meet. If you're from the other side of the ditch then you're a townie and they don't like you haha. Serious isolationism right there! At the end of the day, these two areas are definitely the cultural centers of the city and offer the only escape from the suburban blandness that is Jax.
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I think it looks good but only time will tell. Another rooftop bar would definitely start to put 5 points on the path towards being a nightlife destination.
?? Because it isn't already? I don't follow...
5 Points is ok but it is not the place to be in Jax at midnight on a Saturday night. The Beaches are way ahead. 5 Points could be a real destination for nightlife. Not just a few bars.
Different strokes I guess. Unless I'm being paid, I'm not going to the beach on Friday or Saturday night. The Beach crowd is definitely a younger vibe (or at least they think they just turned 21), where Riverside tends to be a little older. I'm just not a huge fan of Jax Beach culture - I feel like it's where ambition goes to die.
No offense to anyone out there, my personal opinion.
Ambition goes to die? What? I'm 27 and I've lived in both Riverside and the Beaches (where I grew up) I just happen to prefer living a couple blocks from the ocean. If you ask me there's much more to be excited about development wise at the beaches more than anywhere else in Jax.
I grew up at the Beach too, and I'll say there's plenty to dislike about the culture of the area. Just as there's plenty to dislike about Riverside snobbery and pretentiousness. Both places have an obnoxious streak of exceptionalism and isolationism that stands in contrast to how much the neighborhood economies are based on attracting visitors.
One difference, I think, is that Riverside has a pretty good sense of itself, and what makes it a special place. You see that in the people who move there, the businesses that open up there, and the projects the neighborhood organizations take on. I don't get that at the Beach. The leadership often doesn't seem to get quite why the Beaches became an attractive neighborhood to begin with, beyond just being close to the ocean.
As far as the leadership is concerned you're probably right. However, I think Jax Beach has a pretty good sense of its identity. It's surf culture/beach bum hippies and then rich families. Similar to the rich family/old money and hipster divide in Riverside. I will say though that the "Fletcher kids" are some of the most annoying people you'll meet. If you're from the other side of the ditch then you're a townie and they don't like you haha. Serious isolationism right there! At the end of the day, these two areas are definitely the cultural centers of the city and offer the only escape from the suburban blandness that is Jax.
I'd argue that few people at the Beach really have a good idea about what makes the Beach the Beach. If they did, there'd be more of an effort to preserve old beach homes and less of a rush to throw up 3-story pastel monstrosities with street-facing garages instead of front doors and porches. The height restrictions would have come along with a plan for mixed-use zoning. There would be fewer strip malls and single-entry subdivisions, and more walkable, neighborhood-style development. In my mind, the Beaches risk becoming just another auto-centric bedroom suburb that happens to have good beach access and a nightlife strip for newly 21. Much of it is already like that, including all of Ponte Vedra.
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Quote from: FlaBoy on March 25, 2016, 12:29:30 AM
Quote from: Murder_me_Rachel on February 19, 2016, 03:44:46 PM
Quote from: FlaBoy on February 19, 2016, 03:26:19 PM
I think it looks good but only time will tell. Another rooftop bar would definitely start to put 5 points on the path towards being a nightlife destination.
?? Because it isn't already? I don't follow...
5 Points is ok but it is not the place to be in Jax at midnight on a Saturday night. The Beaches are way ahead. 5 Points could be a real destination for nightlife. Not just a few bars.
Different strokes I guess. Unless I'm being paid, I'm not going to the beach on Friday or Saturday night. The Beach crowd is definitely a younger vibe (or at least they think they just turned 21), where Riverside tends to be a little older. I'm just not a huge fan of Jax Beach culture - I feel like it's where ambition goes to die.
No offense to anyone out there, my personal opinion.
Ambition goes to die? What? I'm 27 and I've lived in both Riverside and the Beaches (where I grew up) I just happen to prefer living a couple blocks from the ocean. If you ask me there's much more to be excited about development wise at the beaches more than anywhere else in Jax.
I grew up at the Beach too, and I'll say there's plenty to dislike about the culture of the area. Just as there's plenty to dislike about Riverside snobbery and pretentiousness. Both places have an obnoxious streak of exceptionalism and isolationism that stands in contrast to how much the neighborhood economies are based on attracting visitors.
One difference, I think, is that Riverside has a pretty good sense of itself, and what makes it a special place. You see that in the people who move there, the businesses that open up there, and the projects the neighborhood organizations take on. I don't get that at the Beach. The leadership often doesn't seem to get quite why the Beaches became an attractive neighborhood to begin with, beyond just being close to the ocean.
As far as the leadership is concerned you're probably right. However, I think Jax Beach has a pretty good sense of its identity. It's surf culture/beach bum hippies and then rich families. Similar to the rich family/old money and hipster divide in Riverside. I will say though that the "Fletcher kids" are some of the most annoying people you'll meet. If you're from the other side of the ditch then you're a townie and they don't like you haha. Serious isolationism right there! At the end of the day, these two areas are definitely the cultural centers of the city and offer the only escape from the suburban blandness that is Jax.
Ohhhhh dear lord, so confusing . . . . . I'm left pondering . . . . what would Johnny Utah (aka Keanu Reeves in Point Break) do? Would he chose the Beach or Riverside? I know what Bodhi (aka Patrick Swayze) would do. In fact I think I saw him catching a cat nap under the pier on his surf board last time I was at Jax Beach.
"Go back to the Valley Bro!" or in Jax Beach's case "Go back to the SJTC bro-brah!"
Quote from: UNFurbanist on March 28, 2016, 11:11:02 AM
Well I've been thinking that an organization should start up in order to promote the area as a whole anyways. Kinda like The Elbow district in DTJax. They could organize a first Friday event and basically market for the 5 points area.
Maybe a committee on RAP could handle it? I know the Optimist Club in St. Pete hosts their First Friday.
Quote from: Murder_me_Rachel on March 28, 2016, 10:16:34 AM
Quote from: FlaBoy on March 28, 2016, 09:34:19 AM
They should really do a "First Friday" in 5 Points like is done in St. Pete or Orlando. They are hugely successful. Jax has not had a place with enough bars on a single strip to make something like that happen. Maybe now is the time.
They used to have a pretty awesome First Fridays thing going on many years ago. They were always a good time, and there were far fewer bars and "night spots" than there are now.
Who used to host it? An organization?
Quote from: FlaBoy on March 28, 2016, 01:19:47 PM
Quote from: UNFurbanist on March 28, 2016, 11:11:02 AM
Well I've been thinking that an organization should start up in order to promote the area as a whole anyways. Kinda like The Elbow district in DTJax. They could organize a first Friday event and basically market for the 5 points area.
Maybe a committee on RAP could handle it? I know the Optimist Club in St. Pete hosts their First Friday.
I think this is something the Five Points Merchants Association should do.
Quote from: CCMjax on March 28, 2016, 12:14:12 PM
Ohhhhh dear lord, so confusing . . . . . I'm left pondering . . . . what would Johnny Utah (aka Keanu Reeves in Point Break) do? Would he chose the Beach or Riverside? I know what Bodhi (aka Patrick Swayze) would do. In fact I think I saw him catching a cat nap under the pier on his surf board last time I was at Jax Beach.
"Go back to the Valley Bro!" or in Jax Beach's case "Go back to the SJTC bro-brah!"
Hahahahaha.... I find this reference amusing because I flipped past this particular movie around 11:30 on cable last night and finally made it to bed just after 1am. One of the few that will snag me every damn time.
Quote from: Murder_me_Rachel on March 28, 2016, 02:25:31 PM
Quote from: FlaBoy on March 28, 2016, 01:20:14 PM
Quote from: Murder_me_Rachel on March 28, 2016, 10:16:34 AM
Quote from: FlaBoy on March 28, 2016, 09:34:19 AM
They should really do a "First Friday" in 5 Points like is done in St. Pete or Orlando. They are hugely successful. Jax has not had a place with enough bars on a single strip to make something like that happen. Maybe now is the time.
They used to have a pretty awesome First Fridays thing going on many years ago. They were always a good time, and there were far fewer bars and "night spots" than there are now.
Who used to host it? An organization?
I think it was mostly Anomaly, Violet, Edge City and Riverside Liquor getting it together of their own volition. Anomaly is no longer open and RSL moved to King St.
Also, from what I knew, I don't think the various merchants get along well enough to organize something like that.
Complete shame. If they could all rally together, it would make 5 Points so much better for businesses, residents and visitors.
Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on March 28, 2016, 02:29:18 PM
Quote from: CCMjax on March 28, 2016, 12:14:12 PM
Ohhhhh dear lord, so confusing . . . . . I'm left pondering . . . . what would Johnny Utah (aka Keanu Reeves in Point Break) do? Would he chose the Beach or Riverside? I know what Bodhi (aka Patrick Swayze) would do. In fact I think I saw him catching a cat nap under the pier on his surf board last time I was at Jax Beach.
"Go back to the Valley Bro!" or in Jax Beach's case "Go back to the SJTC bro-brah!"
Hahahahaha.... I find this reference amusing because I flipped past this particular movie around 11:30 on cable last night and finally made it to bed just after 1am. One of the few that will snag me every damn time.
You are not alone my friend . . . you are not alone. If it's on, I must watch.
Quote from: BoldCityRealist on March 28, 2016, 02:37:31 PM
Quote from: Murder_me_Rachel on March 28, 2016, 02:25:31 PM
Quote from: FlaBoy on March 28, 2016, 01:20:14 PM
Quote from: Murder_me_Rachel on March 28, 2016, 10:16:34 AM
Quote from: FlaBoy on March 28, 2016, 09:34:19 AM
They should really do a "First Friday" in 5 Points like is done in St. Pete or Orlando. They are hugely successful. Jax has not had a place with enough bars on a single strip to make something like that happen. Maybe now is the time.
They used to have a pretty awesome First Fridays thing going on many years ago. They were always a good time, and there were far fewer bars and "night spots" than there are now.
Who used to host it? An organization?
I think it was mostly Anomaly, Violet, Edge City and Riverside Liquor getting it together of their own volition. Anomaly is no longer open and RSL moved to King St.
Also, from what I knew, I don't think the various merchants get along well enough to organize something like that.
Complete shame. If they could all rally together, it would make 5 Points so much better for businesses, residents and visitors.
Maybe Hoptinger can lead the charge!
There are just a lot of new possible nightlife destinations that have moved in in the last 18 months even.
Damn Steve - You could have torn it down and built new for what this junk is costing you.....
Quote1037 Park St., renovation of existing building for Hoptinger Bier Garden and Sausage House in Peterson's Five & Dime, $250,000, 5,196 square feet, Flint Construction.
Of course, then we would not have had all the pretty pictures and controversy on the front of the building....gotta keep struggling paint artists going....
I love the Beaches/Riverside debate on this thread. I did San Marco/Riverside for a few years, then Jax Beach for like...5 months before moving to downtown, then back over to Riverside for a bit. Nothing wrong with either, but you do tend to either tend to prefer one over the other. Plus, my beach experience wasn't ideal... I had a slumlord apartment right behind Joe's Crack Shack. And all of this was probably 8 or 9 years ago.
Riverside has come along way since then. So many more options now. I can think back to just a few short years ago where five points had mostly empty parking spots on a weekend night.
There has been a lot of activity on the site. Any word on a timeline?
^ ???
It still looks a while away from being finished, which is a shame. As a bar you'd think they would want to be open in time for football season.
I saw on their Facebook that they were aiming for late fall.
Hopefully they can be open before FL/GA.
Looks like they are getting close to opening, saw some training or maybe a soft opening going on in there the other night. I guess I didn't realize how much sports bar action was going to go on in there. Lots of big screens.
Quote from: jaxlore on February 03, 2017, 03:18:46 PM
Looks like they are getting close to opening, saw some training or maybe a soft opening going on in there the other night. I guess I didn't realize how much sports bar action was going to go on in there. Lots of big screens.
Have you been to the one at the beach before?
It's a cool spot, especially if you live within walking distance.
But it is very loud and has a ton of TV's.
It is definitely very very close to opening. The TVs are up and the chairs are even out on the rooftop. Will be interesting to see the type of crowd it attracts for 5 Points.
After this opens, where should I try to park if I want to go to Five Points on a Friday or Saturday night? (I'm not being snide, I'm just curious if there is some good place to park I don't know about.)
Quote from: jlmann on February 03, 2017, 04:53:16 PM
QuoteAfter this opens, where should I try to park if I want to go to Five Points on a Friday or Saturday night? (I'm not being snide, I'm just curious if there is some good place to park I don't know about.)
lol I mean if you can find parking NOW on Friday or Saturday night I'd say you're the expert
Ok, thanks haha
I just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something.
Quote from: jlmann on February 03, 2017, 04:53:16 PM
QuoteAfter this opens, where should I try to park if I want to go to Five Points on a Friday or Saturday night? (I'm not being snide, I'm just curious if there is some good place to park I don't know about.)
lol I mean if you can find parking NOW on Friday or Saturday night I'd say you're the expert
If you are going out later, say after 10, it is not hard to find parking. If you are going around 8, try Lomax down near Riverside or another side street. Parking is really not that bad.
I saw a sign saying they were open over the weekend for a private event and should be open in the coming week.
As for parking I parked there twice Saturday night within no more then a block each time.