In The Clear: The cloud of uncertainty is behind Miami. But the stench of the NCAA's bungled investigation remains.full article: http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/9862923/miami-penalty-just-shows-again-ncaa-lost-way
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First of all, as a cocky Canes fan, let me be the first to tell Shapiro and the NCAA to go rot in hell. So the NCAA wants 9 scholarships over 3 years? HAHAHA, sure. Only if they help us finish off the champagne bottles and take a few extra strippers home with them after tonight's celebration.
Oh yeah....to FSU and Mr. Jameis, Florida already got their's. Snow white has two weeks to enjoy that rabbit's foot before a Cat 5. hurricane takes out Doak.
With the trash talk out of way, here's an interesting read in the Fort Lauderdale Sun Sentinel from a former Canes player who apparently was Shapiro's right hand man. Only 9 scholarships after self bans from two sucky bowl games? HAHAHA! Let the recruiting begin.
QuoteEx-'Cane Randy Phillips details relationship with Nevin Shapiro
Randy Phillips knew he was far from home the moment he headed toward the bathroom at a South Beach nightclub a few years ago.
Before he could make his way, he was stopped by the friend who accompanied him at the club. The friend asked if Phillips wanted an escort from his gun-carrying bodyguard.
It was then he knew how lavish life was going to be hanging with this new friend, former University of Miami booster Nevin Shapiro, now in prison for his role in a Ponzi scheme.
"I felt like I was on top of the world," Phillips said. "Man, I come from Belle Glade, Florida. We don't have a Wal-Mart. We don't have a movie theater. So imagine this."
QuoteShapiro threw around large sums of money to attract players. Phillips recalled a time they were at the Lucky Strike bowling alley/nightclub on South Beach when Shapiro used cash to help him gain the attention of a cocktail waitress.
"He said, 'Randy, you like that waitress? I'm going to give her 100 dollars each time she walks by,"' Phillips said. "She walked by at least 50 times."
QuotePhillips confirmed Shapiro offered payouts for plays on the field, but only for big games, such as Florida or Florida State. Big hits and interception returns for touchdowns were worth $500. When they played the Gators in 2008, a $5,000 price tag was placed on knocking Tim Tebow out of the game.
A player could easily add a thousand bucks to the totals just by making a pistol-shooting gesture with his hands after making a big play.
QuoteYears later, Phillips, who is out of football after a shoulder injury ended his NFL career, says he has no regrets except for the fact it affected the program afterward.
In fact, he wishes he had taken more. Without their relationship, Phillips would have never experienced dinners at Prime 112, $8,000 bar tabs, wine from "the 1940 and '50s," and the days of sitting beside Shapiro on the couch as he made $50,000 bets on the Hurricanes, according to Phillips.
full story: http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/um-hurricanes/fl-randy-phillips-hurricanes-ncaa-1022-20131031,0,7042914.story
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Seriously, Ennis? I opened this thread with the intent of teaching some forum noob a lesson. I expected more from you
Got to have a little fun every now and then!
Anything that will put a dent into the Gators recruiting, I'm all for.
Clemson game on Saturday Night more than made up for the last two Jags seasons for me.
Cannot WAIT to head into Tally to personally witness the ass-stomping that will be the Miami game :D
Speaking of Clemson, Dabo believes the FSU result was an aberration of reality.
QuoteDabo Swinney: 51-14 not barometer
CLEMSON, S.C. -- Clemson coach Dabo Swinney says his ninth-ranked Tigers are more even with No. 3 Florida State than the lopsided score in Saturday's meeting indicates.
Swinney said Tuesday after watching film of the 51-14 trouncing, he believes if the teams played 10 times, "We'd probably win five, they'd probably win five."
http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/9863793/dabo-swinney-clemson-tigers-florida-state-seminoles-even
Quote from: KenFSU on October 22, 2013, 08:56:38 PM
Cannot WAIT to head into Tally to personally witness the ass-stomping that will be the Miami game :D
You better hope you get that experience. Canes are young, fast and they can now recruit again without the NCAA cloud hanging over their heads. Time to build some depth.
Here's an appropriate song for Clemson Tigers right now.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=TB54dZkzZOY
Quote from: thelakelander on October 22, 2013, 07:15:03 PM
Oh yeah....to FSU and Mr. Jameis, Florida already got their's. Snow white has two weeks to enjoy that rabbit's foot before a Cat 5. hurricane takes out Doak.
Miami would know a lot about "snow" right?
LOL Ennis. You are one of my favorite people even though I barely know you, I love it!
That said, I don't think it's gonna work out the way you're hoping. In fact, I highly doubt it.
Quote from: tufsu1 on October 22, 2013, 10:27:14 PM
Quote from: thelakelander on October 22, 2013, 07:15:03 PM
Oh yeah....to FSU and Mr. Jameis, Florida already got their's. Snow white has two weeks to enjoy that rabbit's foot before a Cat 5. hurricane takes out Doak.
Miami would know a lot about "snow" right?
and this is coming from the place known as "Free Shoes University" who also recruits out of South Florida? They say if you live in a glass house, don't throw stones! Btw, we're still waiting on Peter Warrick to repay Dillards!
Quote from: ProjectMaximus on October 22, 2013, 10:32:02 PM
LOL Ennis. You are one of my favorite people even though I barely know you, I love it!
That said, I don't think it's gonna work out the way you're hoping. In fact, I highly doubt it.
They said the same thing about Monica Lewinsky until she learned that trick with the cigar and then we had a national scandal on our hands. FSU and Clemson have something in common. They're both known for wetting the bed and coming up limp when it's time to rise for the occasion. UM makes babies. Those other two lay eggs. Start clucking Tally. Daddy is coming to town to beat you down, drink your beer and take your women.
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As for Florida, are they still fielding a team these days? Gator shoes are pretty popular in Coral Gables right now considering the swamp dried up a few weeks ago.
Quote from: tufsu1 on October 22, 2013, 10:27:14 PM
Quote from: thelakelander on October 22, 2013, 07:15:03 PM
Oh yeah....to FSU and Mr. Jameis, Florida already got their's. Snow white has two weeks to enjoy that rabbit's foot before a Cat 5. hurricane takes out Doak.
Miami would know a lot about "snow" right?
Btw, I forgot about this crown jewel... ;D
http://www.youtube.com/v/AEEPVGtwsO8
This is definitely the best Miami team in almost 10 years. Glad to see them getting back to being one of the elite programs in the country. College football is better when Miami is good.
Now having said all that. No chance in hell they beat FSU next week.
Quote from: copperfiend on October 23, 2013, 05:52:21 AM
College football is better when Miami is good.
Completely agree on this point.
As a Floridian, college football is at its best when Miami, Florida State, and Florida all field great teams.
My absolute ideal season is being set up now:
Miami beats Florida, and is undefeated heading into the Florida State game.
Florida State beats Miami.
Florida State beats Florida, crushing any remaining hopes and dreams they may have :)
Sad to say it, but Blaine Gabbert could probably learn a lot watching Jameis Winston in the pocket. Just night and day difference between how the two react to pressure.
Quote from: KenFSU on October 23, 2013, 08:00:56 AM
Quote from: copperfiend on October 23, 2013, 05:52:21 AM
College football is better when Miami is good.
Completely agree on this point.
As a Floridian, college football is at its best when Miami, Florida State, and Florida all field great teams.
My absolute ideal season is being set up now:
Miami beats Florida, and is undefeated heading into the Florida State game.
Florida State beats Miami.
Florida State beats Florida, crushing any remaining hopes and dreams they may have :)
Sad to say it, but Blaine Gabbert could probably learn a lot watching Jameis Winston in the pocket. Just night and day difference between how the two react to pressure.
All this happens and FSU gets left out of the National Championship. Would be priceless!
Lake, do your Cane threads smell like cedar or mothballs? I'm sure they have been hiding in the back of your closet for about a decade!
All the Gators have done is won 2 MNCs and a Heisman in the past 7 years.
Over the past decade all the Cane and Noles have done is withered in mediocrity on the national level.
Enjoy the Gators down while you can it won't be for long!
Quote from: Gators312 on October 23, 2013, 08:18:04 AM
All the Gators have done is won 2 MNCs and a Heisman in the past 7 years.
Over the past decade all the Cane and Noles have done is withered in mediocrity on the national level.
Your "facts" are not welcome here, sir :D
Someone needs to give Dabo back his crack pipe.
Quote from: Gators312 on October 23, 2013, 08:18:04 AM
Lake, do your Cane threads smell like cedar or mothballs? I'm sure they have been hiding in the back of your closet for about a decade!
All the Gators have done is won 2 MNCs and a Heisman in the past 7 years.
Over the past decade all the Cane and Noles have done is withered in mediocrity on the national level.
Enjoy the Gators down while you can it won't be for long!
My how times change. I can't help but notice that you sound like me from five years ago. :D You know, in response to your team having a 6-6 or 5-7 season you go to the fallback argument of winning 5 national titles and playing in 8 title games over a 19 year period (83'-02').
Quote from: Gators312 on October 23, 2013, 08:09:18 AM
Quote from: KenFSU on October 23, 2013, 08:00:56 AM
Quote from: copperfiend on October 23, 2013, 05:52:21 AM
College football is better when Miami is good.
Completely agree on this point.
As a Floridian, college football is at its best when Miami, Florida State, and Florida all field great teams.
My absolute ideal season is being set up now:
Miami beats Florida, and is undefeated heading into the Florida State game.
Florida State beats Miami.
Florida State beats Florida, crushing any remaining hopes and dreams they may have :)
Sad to say it, but Blaine Gabbert could probably learn a lot watching Jameis Winston in the pocket. Just night and day difference between how the two react to pressure.
All this happens and FSU gets left out of the National Championship. Would be priceless!
Of course. However, it wouldn't be because of them going undefeated. It would be UM putting their little brother back in his place in the ACC championship game.
Quote from: KenFSU on October 23, 2013, 08:00:56 AM
Florida State beats Florida, crushing any remaining hopes and dreams they may have :)
They still have some hope. The outer bands from the hurricane at Doak in two weeks should result in some excess rain water refilling the swamp. Since Miami has conveniently been excluded from UF's schedule the next few years they should be able to schedule a couple of Edward Waters Colleges over the next few years to earn some wins.
Quote from: thelakelander on October 23, 2013, 08:48:55 AM
Quote from: KenFSU on October 23, 2013, 08:00:56 AM
Florida State beats Florida, crushing any remaining hopes and dreams they may have :)
They still have some hope. The outer bands from the hurricane at Doak in two weeks should result in some excess rain water refilling the swamp. Since Miami has conveniently been excluded from UF's schedule the next few years they should be able to schedule a couple of Edward Waters Colleges over the next few years to earn some wins.
So you're saying scheduling teams like Savannah State or other ACC type competition like Wake, Pitt, or Syracuse... :P
Quote from: Gators312 on October 23, 2013, 08:18:04 AM
Lake, do your Cane threads smell like cedar or mothballs? I'm sure they have been hiding in the back of your closet for about a decade!
All the Gators have done is won 2 MNCs and a Heisman in the past 7 years.
Over the past decade all the Cane and Noles have done is withered in mediocrity on the national level.
Enjoy the Gators down while you can it won't be for long!
I see no resurgence for the Gators until Muschamp is gone. He is mediocre, a college version of Jack Del Rio.
Quote from: thelakelander on October 23, 2013, 08:39:17 AM
Of course. However, it wouldn't be because of them going undefeated. It would be UM putting their little brother back in his place in the ACC championship game.
please...that assumes that Miami beats Va Tech...one week after crawling back to the Everglades wounded!
and if they are so lucky to win that game, they end the season at Pitt on 11/29...it could be snowing up there (natural snow vs. the other stuff I referred to in a previous post).
Quote from: Gators312 on October 23, 2013, 08:57:11 AM
So you're saying scheduling teams like Savannah State or other ACC type competition like Wake, Pitt, or Syracuse... :P
says the Gator fan whose team schedules the likes of Georgia Southern, Jacksonville State, Furman, Appalchian State, Charleston Southern, and The Citadel...all since 2008 and all the week before playing FSU
I can't wait to hear Gator fans comments about FSU playing Idaho on 11/23 this year....at which point I will suggest they consult the 2014 Gator football schedule.
Quote from: Gators312 on October 23, 2013, 08:57:11 AM
Quote from: thelakelander on October 23, 2013, 08:48:55 AM
Quote from: KenFSU on October 23, 2013, 08:00:56 AM
Florida State beats Florida, crushing any remaining hopes and dreams they may have :)
They still have some hope. The outer bands from the hurricane at Doak in two weeks should result in some excess rain water refilling the swamp. Since Miami has conveniently been excluded from UF's schedule the next few years they should be able to schedule a couple of Edward Waters Colleges over the next few years to earn some wins.
So you're saying scheduling teams like Savannah State or other ACC type competition like Wake, Pitt, or Syracuse... :P
To be fair, UM doesn't duck teams. ;) If UF was up for the pain, there would be no problem playing an annual game.
Quote from: tufsu1 on October 23, 2013, 08:58:58 AM
Quote from: thelakelander on October 23, 2013, 08:39:17 AM
Of course. However, it wouldn't be because of them going undefeated. It would be UM putting their little brother back in his place in the ACC championship game.
please...that assumes that Miami beats Va Tech...one week after crawling back to the Everglades wounded!
and if they are so lucky to win that game, they end the season at Pitt on 11/29...it could be snowing up there (natural snow vs. the other stuff I referred to in a previous post).
Last time I checked, Vick and his dogs are in Philly, helping me struggle in fantasy football games and Marino is at CBS. However, I'll admit that VaTech may be a challenge because the canes may still be hung over from partying after ruining FSU's season.
Lake
You are welcome to join my tailgate and stay in my house in Tallahassee during FSU/Miami weekend.
The more faces of Miami fans I can rub it in... the better! :)
LOL, I be watching that game in a secluded place, far away from everybody!
QuoteDa "U" is Back! Gators already skinned. Seminole's next!
Lake, did the players overlook Wake Forest or was that just you? Not sure what's gonna happen in these next 3 minutes, but a loss sure would take the luster off the showdown next week.
Well that was close. FSU is doing its part so far...14-0 less than 4 minutes in and they didn't even get the ball first!
Quote from: ProjectMaximus on October 26, 2013, 03:09:58 PM
QuoteDa "U" is Back! Gators already skinned. Seminole's next!
Lake, did the players overlook Wake Forest or was that just you? Not sure what's gonna happen in these next 3 minutes, but a loss sure would take the luster off the showdown next week.
Seems like the Gators put on Miami uniforms today. Canes soiled their pants and threw up over themselves but at the end of the day, rose to the occasion.
As for FSU, bring it on!
Quote from: ProjectMaximus on October 26, 2013, 03:54:03 PM
Well that was close. FSU is doing its part so far...14-0 less than 4 minutes in and they didn't even get the ball first!
This is a lovely game to watch. :)
Where's Tory Holt when you need him???
Why do Miami fans dress up like empty seats? :-X
It's Halloween time of course. Don't you love the seamless orange color.
Quote from: Gators312 on October 26, 2013, 05:45:23 PM
Why do Miami fans dress up like empty seats? :-X
Cause the bandwagon doesn't come out til November.
ACC guys are funny.
Early weather forecasts for Saturday night in Tallahassee are now coming in.....
300mph wind gusts, severe rain and wind damage expected.... flash flooding on Pensacola Street and a coastal storm surge could reach as far inland as Bullwinkes....A rabid flock of Ibis is expected to ramshack AJ's. Also, beware of downed powerlines and burnt crispy Seminole defensive backs, dry roasted by the after burners of Duke Johnson.....
QuoteUndefeated Miami heads north to Tallahassee to take on fellow-undefeated Florida State. The Seminoles have opened the week as 21-point favorites over the Hurricanes.
http://gamedayr.com/sports/college-football-point-spreads-week-10/ (http://gamedayr.com/sports/college-football-point-spreads-week-10/)
Lake, the only Duke that FSU worries about is in Durham, NC getting ready for hoops season :)
This is what happens when you ignore the warnings......
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Luckily, I heard there's a dry place in Gainesville that Seminole nation can flee to for the weekend.
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^LOL, good one.
Just don't forget what happened right after this classic!
http://www.youtube.com/v/iUoP9vxGTFA
They should have yelled an 80's style Run-DMC-esque "HUUUH!!!!!" at the end LOL
Quote from: ProjectMaximus on October 26, 2013, 10:58:12 PM
Quote from: Gators312 on October 26, 2013, 05:45:23 PM
Why do Miami fans dress up like empty seats? :-X
Cause the bandwagon doesn't come out til November.
and then immediately ends after the first loss.
Never thought I'd say it, but I miss the old Orange Bowl.
Dumpy, rough neighborhood, but it certainly had character.
Also, the programmer responsible for whatever glitch caused Florida State to fall back to #3 needs to be fired.
There has been some good Nole Cane trash talk in the office this morning seems like years past.
Quote from: KenFSU on October 28, 2013, 08:55:50 AM
Never thought I'd say it, but I miss the old Orange Bowl.
Dumpy, rough neighborhood, but it certainly had character.
Also, the programmer responsible for whatever glitch caused Florida State to fall back to #3 needs to be fired.
agreed....I refuse to go to a game at Joe Robbie (yes I called it that) because the place has no character...being at the Orange Bowl games in 2000 and 2002 were awesome experiences, even though FSU lost both at the end.
As to dropping to #3, that was expected....Oregon played a ranked team while FSU played a rank team....with a win, it will switch again this week because Orego has a bye before their matchup with Stanford next Thursday night...if the Ducks win that one, the rankings will likely flip again
Quote from: thelakelander on October 27, 2013, 10:07:33 PM
^LOL, good one.
Just don't forget what happened right after this classic!
sorry lake...I wasn't around to see the 1988 drubbing in Miami....but I did witness in person the 47-0 shutout of Miami in Tally when they were on probation on 1997...wait, aren't they under sanctions again now?
I heard the UM Boosters have pulled out all the stops and rented a 15 passenger vans so they can bring their boosters and tailgating gear to the game with them.
(Shamelessly stolen from another message board)
I will be cheering for the sinkholes this weekend in Tallahassee....Preferably one the size of Kingsley Lake 8)
^With FSU and UM gone, UF could sniff the field of the elite by being UCF's waterboy!
Quote from: tufsu1 on October 28, 2013, 11:22:32 AM
Quote from: KenFSU on October 28, 2013, 08:55:50 AM
Never thought I'd say it, but I miss the old Orange Bowl.
Dumpy, rough neighborhood, but it certainly had character.
Also, the programmer responsible for whatever glitch caused Florida State to fall back to #3 needs to be fired.
agreed....I refuse to go to a game at Joe Robbie (yes I called it that) because the place has no character...being at the Orange Bowl games in 2000 and 2002 were awesome experiences, even though FSU lost both at the end.
I hated seeing the OB go up in smoke also. It was blight, as far as stadiums go these days, but it had character and was an intimidating place for opposing teams to play. Joe Robbie or whatever it's called today, clearly isn't.
QuoteAs to dropping to #3, that was expected....Oregon played a ranked team while FSU played a rank team....with a win, it will switch again this week because Orego has a bye before their matchup with Stanford next Thursday night...if the Ducks win that one, the rankings will likely flip again.
Don't worry yourselfs about BCS rankings. Miss Cleo has predicted a bus ride to Atlanta and lots of peaches for your bowl game this year.
Quote from: tufsu1 on October 28, 2013, 11:28:24 AM
Quote from: thelakelander on October 27, 2013, 10:07:33 PM
^LOL, good one.
Just don't forget what happened right after this classic!
sorry lake...I wasn't around to see the 1988 drubbing in Miami....
http://www.youtube.com/v/oxW8nVUQlRA
UM was disrespected then and the result was a 31-0 beat down. Now, 3 touchdown dogs? Although he'll see lots orange while laying on his back gasping for air, Jameis will discover that Clemson won't be present Saturday night. Welcome to the grown man's version of D-1 football, Cinderella. It's midnight.
Quotebut I did witness in person the 47-0 shutout of Miami in Tally when they were on probation on 1997...wait, aren't they under sanctions again now?
Good lord, the days of watching the likes of Ryan Clement and Scott Covington as QB. Luckily, it didn't last as long as the Chris Rix era. I decided to go into work that day instead of watching that game. That was the best place in Tally to get away from FSU fans during game day. Being right down the street from Free Shoes University's campus, the drunkards get their beer early and the place goes silent for the rest of the day.
QuoteFree Shoes University's campus
I know it's been one long week and all since that NCAA ruling came down, so it's easy to forget the name Nevin Shapiro but...
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Obviously photoshopped by NCAA wicthhunters. They run a tight ship down there in Coral Gables. ;)
Quote from: thelakelander on October 28, 2013, 02:02:21 PM
^With FSU and UM gone, UF could sniff the field of the elite by being UCF's waterboy!
Oh Lake, isn't Monday morning a little early to be getting into the bottles of Cris from ol' Nevin.
UM and FSU haven't been elite in a long time.
LOL, I'm going strong all week, just like those in the RVs already lining up around Everbank Field this morning. The trash talker has been quiet ever since Winslow's soldier outburst.
http://www.youtube.com/v/3X60mrYO1UU
(http://miamiherald.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83451b26169e20192ac621a9c970d-800wi)
A favorite of mine :)
Good one! I have a couple of favorites. They're pretty much carbon copies of each other....
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Let's dance.....to the right, to the right, to the wide right.....
ouch.
ok Lake...how about Stanford Samuels hit on Roscoe Parrish....I think he's still looking for his spleen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sflS3NxADaY
and yes Gators312, that is Brock Berlin at QB
Quote from: tufsu1 on October 28, 2013, 03:39:53 PM
and yes Gators312, that is Brock Berlin at QB
I prefer Rex over Berlin...
and then there's this one (a bit more recent)....even though a flag was thrown, the hit was clean....under the new rules, this would be reviewed...trhe penalty would stand but the player would nto be ejected
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGYwJaqIzLU
Quote from: tufsu1 on October 28, 2013, 03:39:53 PM
ok Lake...how about Stanford Samuels hit on Roscoe Parrish....I think he's still looking for his spleen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sflS3NxADaY
and yes Gators312, that is Brock Berlin at QB
Yeah, had to learn the hard way about taking UF rejects. At least Berlin stepped up for one game during his UM career.
http://www.youtube.com/v/Pf3k_4Obv7g
The U Documentary |FSU & ND Rivalry Segment|
http://www.youtube.com/v/xYH0NtB1DTg
Quote from: thelakelander on October 28, 2013, 03:57:55 PM
Quote from: tufsu1 on October 28, 2013, 03:39:53 PM
ok Lake...how about Stanford Samuels hit on Roscoe Parrish....I think he's still looking for his spleen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sflS3NxADaY
and yes Gators312, that is Brock Berlin at QB
Yeah, had to learn the hard way about taking UF rejects. At least Berlin stepped up for one game during his UM career.
http://www.youtube.com/v/Pf3k_4Obv7g
Yep, I remember that evening. When Miami was down 30-10ish they turned the "Miami" off above their score until they went finally went ahead.
First, if you're putting money down, take Miami because FSU will not cover that spread (even if I'm wrong on my outright winner prediction below).
Now for my prediction. Some Seminole fans (and players) will wet their panties once they realize FSU will be involved in a real fight for this game. This should happen midway through the 3rd quarter. We'll have a close game on our hands and we'll have a choke at Doak because one team hasn't been challenged late the entire season. On the other hand, the team that invented swagger also knows how to man up in adverse situations.
Miami 31, FSU 28!
38-17, Noles.
Jameis and the boys run out to an early lead, and never look back.
Worry not though friend, you can always take solace in that odd Dolphins win last night :D
41-14 FSU.
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Quote from: thelakelander on November 01, 2013, 12:54:23 PM
First, if you're putting money down, take Miami because FSU will not cover that spread (even if I'm wrong on my outright winner prediction below).
Now for my prediction. Some Seminole fans (and players) will wet their panties once they realize FSU will be involved in a real fight for this game. This should happen midway through the 3rd quarter. We'll have a close game on our hands and we'll have a choke at Doak because one team hasn't been challenged late the entire season. On the other hand, the team that invented swagger also knows how to man up in adverse situations.
Miami 31, FSU 28!
Quote from: thelakelander on June 19, 2007, 12:27:26 PM
Brooklyn Park is scheduled to break ground on phase 1, this fall. The first 275 unit apartment building and adjoining garage has already been released for bid. The second phase will break ground in mid 2008. The entire project should be completed within five years.
As with other predictions you may be a few years ahead of yourself. ;) Noles 49 - 17
^LOL! Just make sure there's just as many boxes of diapers and kleenex as cases of beer at your tailgate parties. Jameis' heisman dreams will end with a pick six that changes the course of the game. However, if Lee Corso's bunch can win out, they'll have a chance to secure their Peach Bowl bid in the ACC championship game.
Quote from: KenFSU on November 01, 2013, 01:29:13 PM
Worry not though friend, you can always take solace in that odd Dolphins win last night :D
You guys sound like one of my Cincy business partners during a conference call I had earlier this week. He also thought the Bengals would run away from the Fish. I predicted Dalton would resemble Raggedly Ann moreso than an NFL QB. Now we all know how that turned out and I still haven't heard back from my crushed Ohio buddy.
An instagram from Everbank Field....
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This, too, is an enjoyable game to watch. Freeman is on fire out there.
Miami residents can once again ignore the U
News flash the Hurricane traveling from Miami headed to North Florida has been down graded to a tropical depression.
It's all good. Played pretty well for a half and the wheels fell off Florida Gator style. There will be some adjustments made and the result will be different in the ACC Championship game. Will probably have Dorsett back by that game so expect bombs since Coley and Hurns were getting back behind the DBs all night.
All i heard Miami fans saying was "five"....give them credit for realizing too that our #5 is pretty good :)
Quote from: Keith-N-Jax on November 02, 2013, 11:34:59 PM
News flash the Hurricane traveling from Miami headed to North Florida has been down graded to a tropical depression.
anyone with jpeg of a crow on a plate??
Here's the crow but my trash talking isn't going anywhere. A rematch is in the works. All UM needs to do is handle their business against struggling Va Tech and daddy will be back to take Jameis' manhood.
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Btw, I like my crow served with hot sauce and buttermilk biscuits!
Florida State has beaten its three ranked opponents by a combined score of 155-28. But somehow we aren't "worthy" of being in the BCS title game?
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Too bad Miami has to also get by DUKE first...and without Duke that could be difficult
Quote from: FSBA on November 03, 2013, 01:13:48 PM
Florida State has beaten its three ranked opponents by a combined score of 155-28. But somehow we aren't "worthy" of being in the BCS title game?
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No. Last night was not entertaining! ;)
Quote from: FSBA on November 03, 2013, 01:14:39 PM
Posted for awesomeness
Can't lie, that was pretty cool.
Quote from: tufsu1 on November 03, 2013, 01:37:34 PM
Too bad Miami has to also get by DUKE first...and without Duke that could be difficult
That's what having depth is all about. Luckily a good chunk of the Hurricane's roster aren't seniors and juniors. Dallas Crawford will have to step up and Duke will get that broken ankle ready for Spring 2014 practice. Last time a Hurricane RB went out like this (Frank Gore), another (Willis McGahee) came out of the blue to rise to the occasion.
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For a while that game was pretty competitive. Then unfortunately for tha 'U' they had to play the second half. Just think, the game got outta hand that badly despite Winston's so-so game with two interceptions. It's freaking scary how good Florida State is.
Winston actually played flawlessly in the second half. Would have stayed a little closer if Morris didn't turn back into Stephen Morris and Duke didn't get hurt. Any team that loses it's top two offensive playmakers (Dorsett messed his MCL up two weeks ago) is going to struggle to move the ball. Really though, it came down to depth. Canes are still a year or so away on that angle in relation to where FSU is today. However, that will be corrected in a few months now that the NCAA is out of the way.
Quote from: thelakelander on November 03, 2013, 04:40:02 PM
Really though, it came down to depth. Canes are still a year or so away on that angle in relation to where FSU is today. However, that will be corrected in a few months now that the NCAA is out of the way.
sounds to me like somebody is givinh up on the 2013 season
Umm, Canes are building a dynasty buddy. This is much larger than 2013.
Quote from: thelakelander on November 03, 2013, 04:40:02 PM
Winston actually played flawlessly in the second half. Would have stayed a little closer if Morris didn't turn back into Stephen Morris and Duke didn't get hurt. Any team that loses it's top two offensive playmakers (Dorsett messed his MCL up two weeks ago) is going to struggle to move the ball. Really though, it came down to depth. Canes are still a year or so away on that angle in relation to where FSU is today. However, that will be corrected in a few months now that the NCAA is out of the way.
FSU was up 35-14 when Duke got hurt. The game was a blowout well before the injury which happened at the end of the 3rd quarter.
Also, by his standards, Winston played a C- game in the first half and maybe a B game in the 2nd. Miami was playing 2 deep safeties to not give up the deep ball, so Winston just took what the defense gave him and managed the game. Basically Miami gave up the run and underneath routes to prevent deep routes (which is Winston's strength) with the hope that it could stop them in the red zone and force field goals.
Hopefully Miami can run the table and make the ACC title game. FSU's only shot at Pasadena if Bama and Oregon win out, is for Miami and Clemson to boost our SOS.
Miami is certainly improving from where the bottom fell out a few years ago. However, the ceiling for Miami is nowhere near where it was in the 80s or 90s.
They have no on campus stadium and the identity that comes with it (one of the few things the Orange Bowl still had going for it.)
They lack the funding to keep elite coaches/assistants.
They have the worst fan support of any major FBS program. They can't draw more than 40,000 fans unless UF/FSU bring another 20-30,000 fans in tow
Quote from: CityLife on November 03, 2013, 09:29:37 PM
Quote from: thelakelander on November 03, 2013, 04:40:02 PM
Winston actually played flawlessly in the second half. Would have stayed a little closer if Morris didn't turn back into Stephen Morris and Duke didn't get hurt. Any team that loses it's top two offensive playmakers (Dorsett messed his MCL up two weeks ago) is going to struggle to move the ball. Really though, it came down to depth. Canes are still a year or so away on that angle in relation to where FSU is today. However, that will be corrected in a few months now that the NCAA is out of the way.
FSU was up 35-14 when Duke got hurt. The game was a blowout well before the injury which happened at the end of the 3rd quarter.
Morris had morphed back into himself by then. Duke getting hurt pretty much meant Miami wasn't going to score anymore.
QuoteAlso, by his standards, Winston played a C- game in the first half and maybe a B game in the 2nd. Miami was playing 2 deep safeties to not give up the deep ball, so Winston just took what the defense gave him and managed the game. Basically Miami gave up the run and underneath routes to prevent deep routes (which is Winston's strength) with the hope that it could stop them in the red zone and force field goals.
He probably went up against the best defense he'll see this year, which is saying lot since UM's defense (while vastly improved since last year) still is pretty young and inexperienced. Earlier in the season, I'd say it would be UF, but they're a walking medical clinic right now.
QuoteHopefully Miami can run the table and make the ACC title game. FSU's only shot at Pasadena if Bama and Oregon win out, is for Miami and Clemson to boost our SOS.
Just let things play out. One of those guys will lose before the season is over.
Quote from: FSBA on November 03, 2013, 09:36:45 PM
They have no on campus stadium and the identity that comes with it (one of the few things the Orange Bowl still had going for it.)
They lack the funding to keep elite coaches/assistants.
They have the worst fan support of any major FBS program. They can't draw more than 40,000 fans unless UF/FSU bring another 20-30,000 fans in tow
Univ of Central Florida has Bright House Networks Stadium, which seats about 45,000 down there in Orlando. IMO a smaller stadium like that would be perfect for the Canes. It's kinda embarrassing that freaking UCF beat Miami to the punch, with a suitable stadium. All I hear in the state of Florida is 'the big three' universities, and UCF certainly isn't included with that bunch. The South Florida region arguably has best recruiting in the US. Maybe the fact that Miami has a private university is what kinda hold them back with certain aspects (funding etc). Here's UFC's Stadium below.
http://wikipedia.org/wiki/Bright_House_Networks_Stadium
Quote from: FSBA on November 03, 2013, 09:36:45 PM
Miami is certainly improving from where the bottom fell out a few years ago. However, the ceiling for Miami is nowhere near where it was in the 80s or 90s.
They have no on campus stadium and the identity that comes with it (one of the few things the Orange Bowl still had going for it.)
They lack the funding to keep elite coaches/assistants.
I'm fine with Golden. He's every bit as good as what FSU has. The best thing UM has is tradition, a pretty exciting city to go to school in and a built in pool of local talent coming out of high school. Those will always be pretty strong draws.
QuoteThey have the worst fan support of any major FBS program. They can't draw more than 40,000 fans unless UF/FSU bring another 20-30,000 fans in tow
It's a pretty small school in a major city that's not a one horse town built around a large college campus. Enrollment (around 10k) is closer to FAMU's than UF/FSU. Even UNF is larger.
Quote from: I-10east on November 03, 2013, 09:57:17 PM
Quote from: FSBA on November 03, 2013, 09:36:45 PM
They have no on campus stadium and the identity that comes with it (one of the few things the Orange Bowl still had going for it.)
They lack the funding to keep elite coaches/assistants.
They have the worst fan support of any major FBS program. They can't draw more than 40,000 fans unless UF/FSU bring another 20-30,000 fans in tow
Univ of Central Florida has Bright House Networks Stadium, which seats about 45,000 down there in Orlando. IMO a smaller stadium like that would be perfect for the Canes. It's kinda embarrassing that freaking UCF beat Miami to the punch, with a suitable stadium. All I hear in the state of Florida is 'the big three' universities, and UCF certainly isn't included with that bunch. The South Florida region arguably has best recruiting in the US. Maybe the fact that Miami has a private university is what kinda hold them back with certain aspects (funding etc). Here's UFC's Stadium below.
http://wikipedia.org/wiki/Bright_House_Networks_Stadium
Well UCF is the largest public university in the state. The only reason you think UCF is a new kid on the block is because their football program is relatively young compared to the "big three." I've spent a decent amount of time on that campus over the last year for a multimodal corridor project on Alafaya Trail. That's a pretty large campus. Too bad it's out in the boonies instead of being closer to the heart of Orlando.
Honestly, there is no way to know if Miami is any better than they were last season. The teams they have beaten are 26-31 (not counting their losses to Miami) and the margin of victory has not been impressive at all. The teams FSU has beaten are 42-17 (excluding losses to FSU) and we are just destroying everyone. Also, this is probably Miami's easiest schedule in recent memory, due to a down year from Florida and a down year for the Coastal division. Same can be said for FSU's schedule too thanks to WVU cancelling.
Think next year will be a minor rebuilding year, but Golden has them heading the right direction. I know I'd buy a used car from him.
Miami can't build an on campus stadium because of the city of Coral Gables. Land prices are ridiculous there and I don't think the city would allow it anyways. I've heard the closest and most feasible place for Miami to build their own stadium is Tropical Park, a few miles west of campus.
Quote from: CityLife on November 03, 2013, 10:06:24 PM
Honestly, there is no way to know if Miami is any better than they were last season. The teams they have beaten are 26-31 (not counting their losses to Miami) and the margin of victory has not been impressive at all.
Margin of victory has been pretty high, excluding the Wake, North Carolina, and UF (at full strength then) games. I've watched nearly every UM game over the last decade. They are better than last year. Primarily because they have more depth. In years past, they would have lost those games where they fell behind double digits heading into the 4th.
QuoteThe teams FSU has beaten are 42-17 (excluding losses to FSU) and we are just destroying everyone. Also, this is probably Miami's easiest schedule in recent memory, due to a down year from Florida and a down year for the Coastal division. Same can be said for FSU's schedule too thanks to WVU cancelling.
Like OSU, FSU's schedule will be it's undoing. UM is the best team they'll face all year because UF has fallen off. That's not going to be enough to overcome Bama and Oregon if they don't lose (which I predict one will).
QuoteThink next year will be a minor rebuilding year, but Golden has them heading the right direction. I know I'd buy a used car from him.
Stephen Morris is a senior. Next year will depend on the performance of Ryan Williams or whoever can beat him out.
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From a recruiting standpoint, many players are more impressed by playing in an NFL stadium than an on-campus one....thats the edge schools like USF and PITT try to sell....unfortunately for Miami, Joe Robbie Stadium is just plain boring.
Quote from: I-10east on November 03, 2013, 09:57:17 PM
Quote from: FSBA on November 03, 2013, 09:36:45 PM
They have no on campus stadium and the identity that comes with it (one of the few things the Orange Bowl still had going for it.)
They lack the funding to keep elite coaches/assistants.
They have the worst fan support of any major FBS program. They can't draw more than 40,000 fans unless UF/FSU bring another 20-30,000 fans in tow
Univ of Central Florida has Bright House Networks Stadium, which seats about 45,000 down there in Orlando. IMO a smaller stadium like that would be perfect for the Canes. It's kinda embarrassing that freaking UCF beat Miami to the punch, with a suitable stadium. All I hear in the state of Florida is 'the big three' universities, and UCF certainly isn't included with that bunch. The South Florida region arguably has best recruiting in the US. Maybe the fact that Miami has a private university is what kinda hold them back with certain aspects (funding etc). Here's UFC's Stadium below.
http://wikipedia.org/wiki/Bright_House_Networks_Stadium
UCF was able to build new stadium and other athletic facilities largely because of charging students some of the highest athletics fees in the county. Not to mention UCF has over 50,000 students vs 8,000 undergrads at UM.
If the roles were reversed than at some point UM would've either built a stadium on/near campus or bought the Orange Bowl outright like USC bought the LA Coliseum. Miami can't even find the funding ($10-$15 million) to build an indoor practice facility.
Quote from: tufsu1 on November 03, 2013, 10:15:05 PM
From a recruiting standpoint, many players are more impressed by playing in an NFL stadium than an on-campus one....thats the edge schools like USF and PITT try to sell....unfortunately for Miami, Joe Robbie Stadium is just plain boring.
^lol, maybe to tufsu1. I'm sure the Jimmy Grahams and Duke Johnsons of college football view it as a stepping stone to a successful NFL career. I'll admit, Miami is a bandwagon city. If they continue to win, that stadium will fill up just like American Airlines Arena did when Lebron came to town.
If Olsen isn't good enough to beat out Williams next year, Miami is in trouble for a couple seasons. Lake, you earlier said Miami's defense is young, but they really aren't. The two deep on the Dline is all juniors and seniors, with juniors and seniors at LB. The secondary mostly returns though and will be much better. Miami also loses a lot of key olineman, their best or 2nd best WR (Hurns), and I'd imagine their best defensive player Perryman will go pro. Skill position recruiting has gotten better at Miami, but still lacking on the lines and at LB. I think they may take a small step back next season, but who knows what happens between now and then.
Quote from: thelakelander on November 03, 2013, 10:20:16 PM
Quote from: tufsu1 on November 03, 2013, 10:15:05 PM
From a recruiting standpoint, many players are more impressed by playing in an NFL stadium than an on-campus one....thats the edge schools like USF and PITT try to sell....unfortunately for Miami, Joe Robbie Stadium is just plain boring.
^lol, maybe to tufsu1. I'm sure the Jimmy Grahams and Duke Johnsons of college football view it as a stepping stone to a successful NFL career. I'll admit, Miami is a bandwagon city. If they continue to win, that stadium will fill up just like American Airlines Arena did when Lebron came to town.
True story...Miami's average attendance during their last national championship season in 2001 was....wait for it....drumroll...47,161 and that was in the Orange Bowl. It was also before Miami started hilariously over inflating average attendance.
Quote from: thelakelander on November 03, 2013, 10:02:11 PM
Quote from: FSBA on November 03, 2013, 09:36:45 PM
Miami is certainly improving from where the bottom fell out a few years ago. However, the ceiling for Miami is nowhere near where it was in the 80s or 90s.
They have no on campus stadium and the identity that comes with it (one of the few things the Orange Bowl still had going for it.)
They lack the funding to keep elite coaches/assistants.
I'm fine with Golden. He's every bit as good as what FSU has. The best thing UM has is tradition, a pretty exciting city to go to school in and a built in pool of local talent coming out of high school. Those will always be pretty strong draws.
I think Golden is a good coach as well. However, Miami doesn't have the funds to keep him if he keeps winning. The Southern Cal job will be open in a month. Texas, Florida, and Nebraska might be looking for a new coach as well. Golden will be on the list of possibilities for some of those schools. All of them can pay him well above what Miami can.
Not to mention salaries for assistant coaches keep going up.
QuoteQuoteThey have the worst fan support of any major FBS program. They can't draw more than 40,000 fans unless UF/FSU bring another 20-30,000 fans in tow
It's a pretty small school in a major city that's not a one horse town built around a large college campus. Enrollment (around 10k) is closer to FAMU's than UF/FSU. Even UNF is larger.
It is one reason Miami has a terrible fan base. But the point remains the Canes have never been a draw. To address your later post about Miami being a bandwagon city
http://www.stateoftheu.com/2012/9/17/3346228/miami-hurricanes-attendance-the-bottom-line (http://www.stateoftheu.com/2012/9/17/3346228/miami-hurricanes-attendance-the-bottom-line)
The only year Miami had any kind of meaningful bump in attendance was 2002. A year they UF & FSU played in the Orange Bowl.
^Yes, they've never had a large sustained following and never will. It's a pretty small school when compared to the FSUs and UFs of the world. It's just located in an area ripe with local talent coming out of high schools, which allows it to compete on their level on the football field.
Oregon is down 20-0 in the third.
Purely informational post.
No jinxes of any type intended...
Ummm, duck for dinner!
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^^^LOL, it's not looking good for the Quack right now. I know that FSU is lovin' it.
Like the parting of the Red Sea...
Looks like FSU controls its own destiny now.
Quote from: carpnter on November 08, 2013, 08:19:22 AM
Looks like FSU controls its own destiny now.
Have to win at UF and in the ACCG and we're in Pasadena.
Any Gator fans want to sell their tickets to me? If so PM me.
Quote from: CityLife on November 08, 2013, 08:39:46 AM
Quote from: carpnter on November 08, 2013, 08:19:22 AM
Looks like FSU controls its own destiny now.
Have to win at UF and in the ACCG and we're in Pasadena.
Any Gator fans want to sell their tickets to me? If so PM me.
So until the bandwagon gets rolling FSU fans don't line up tickets to games... I see
No matter how bad we are I would never duck going to a home game.
In all kinds of weather we all stick together for FLORIDA.
And I never sell tickets to opposing fans...
Quote from: Gators312 on November 08, 2013, 09:16:04 AM
Quote from: CityLife on November 08, 2013, 08:39:46 AM
Quote from: carpnter on November 08, 2013, 08:19:22 AM
Looks like FSU controls its own destiny now.
Have to win at UF and in the ACCG and we're in Pasadena.
Any Gator fans want to sell their tickets to me? If so PM me.
So until the bandwagon gets rolling FSU fans don't line up tickets to games... I see
No matter how bad we are I would never duck going to a home game.
In all kinds of weather we all stick together for FLORIDA.
And I never sell tickets to opposing fans...
Actually FSU fans have been buying up extra tickets to the UF game for a few weeks now and I have been looking around, but thought I'd ask here also. I'm not going to pay $100 from StubHub when I know they will drop in price.
Congrats to you for not selling your tickets.
Quote from: Gators312 on November 08, 2013, 09:16:04 AM
Quote from: CityLife on November 08, 2013, 08:39:46 AM
Quote from: carpnter on November 08, 2013, 08:19:22 AM
Looks like FSU controls its own destiny now.
Have to win at UF and in the ACCG and we're in Pasadena.
Any Gator fans want to sell their tickets to me? If so PM me.
So until the bandwagon gets rolling FSU fans don't line up tickets to games... I see
No matter how bad we are I would never duck going to a home game.
In all kinds of weather we all stick together for FLORIDA.
And I never sell tickets to opposing fans...
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Nice try, but that is the opposing fans section. Not Season ticket holders.
Probably was the Toledo game IIRC.
As you can see in this picture where the opposing fans are seated @ BHG.
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Here is some season ticket holder sections you may be familiar with
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Quote from: Gators312 on November 08, 2013, 09:56:52 AM
Nice try, but that is the opposing fans section. Not Season ticket holders.
Come on dude...everyone knows that when an opposing team doesn't request their full allotment of tickets, they are then sold to home fans. If there is demand, those seats are full. Highly doubt the "visitor" section was empty when Florida played teams that don't bring fans a few years ago.
Quote from: Gators312 on November 08, 2013, 09:56:52 AM
Nice try, but that is the opposing fans section. Not Season ticket holders.
Probably was the Toledo game IIRC.
Here is some season ticket holder sections you may be familiar with
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Actually most of FSU's season ticket holders are on the opposite side of the picture. That picture shows the top of the student section (to the left) which comes late to games, and the gap to the right is the away section. Where clearly there wasn't demand.
And yea, of course we had some poorly attended games against cupcakes a few years ago. Wait to see UF's homecoming crowd this weekend, or even worse against Georiga Southern.
First Game noon kickoff, not always the biggest draw. And sure the walkup demand is down for the Gators, no doubt.
Look, I brought up a valid point about FSU's bandwagon ramping up, and many fans who didn't give a damn about getting tickets to the UF game until FSU started looking so good and UF looking so bad are now wanting to go and I get pictures of away team allotments trying to act as if UF doesn't sell plenty of tickets.
FSU in good and bad times have a hard time selling out, sans UF and UM.
Quote from: CityLife on November 08, 2013, 09:30:50 AM
Congrats to you for not selling your tickets.
Thanks but I don't have much issue with getting rid of any extras.
Seriously though, why would you want to buy tickets in the Gator sections anyways? Anytime I have had to sit near opposing fans they aren't very friendly and seem pretty pissed when I cheer for the Gators. I just get my tix from UF and sit in the visitors sections for away games.
Don't fight boys, BOTH your empty seats are equally pretty. And there's sure to be even more of them (http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/story/2012-08-29/fortunes-of-florida-programs-running-into-problems/57414444/1) next year ;D
Quote from: Tacachale on November 08, 2013, 10:14:39 AM
Don't fight boys, BOTH your empty seats are equally pretty. And there's sure to be even more of them (http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/story/2012-08-29/fortunes-of-florida-programs-running-into-problems/57414444/1) next year ;D
Um. No. FSU has averaged 77,679 this season with the worst home schedule of games ever and we don't fudge our attendence numbers like a lot of programs. Next year we have Florida, Clemson, and Notre Dame at home...and a pretty amazing QB and talent. People are already lining up to get their season tickets.
Quote from: Gators312 on November 08, 2013, 10:04:55 AM
FSU in good and bad times have a hard time selling out, sans UF and UM.
Of the top 10 highest attended games at Doak (all above capacity), only 5 are UF and UM. Last year both Clemson and BC games were sellouts.
Gators312, you probably don't want to go down the attendence road after what's going to happen in the next few weeks at the Swamp.
Quote from: CityLife on November 08, 2013, 10:41:03 AM
Quote from: Tacachale on November 08, 2013, 10:14:39 AM
Don't fight boys, BOTH your empty seats are equally pretty. And there's sure to be even more of them (http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/story/2012-08-29/fortunes-of-florida-programs-running-into-problems/57414444/1) next year ;D
Um. No. FSU has averaged 77,679 this season with the worst home schedule of games ever and we don't fudge our attendence numbers like a lot of programs.
Is that because you count the tickets yourself? How do you know they don't "fudge" the numbers like a lot of programs?
And I can go down the attendance road if you want to compare your 6-6 seasons with ours this year. The average attendance will be 10k higher than FSUs And with the "great" QB and perfect record so far why are there still seats available on the FSU website?
Even with a heisman and a NC game appearance FSU will not sell out their season tickets in 2014.
And the more I type the more attendance smack talk feels pathetic.
Only a Gator fan would engage in trash talk during a horrible season. Dude, just put your head down, eat some humble pie and go away.
Guys like you are the reason my friends and I used to waltz into Gainesville and have our way with your women back in college.
I seriously doubt I would be interested in any of the ladies you are chasing.
FSU fans smack talked and cheered for Alabama and anyone else who played the Gators during your down years.
And don't worry I have had my share of girls in Tally. They seemed much easier.
Thank God it's Basketball season...
Hahaha gotta love college football. Apparently spending so much time watching a game played by 21-year-old boys makes you talk like one.
Quote from: Gators312 on November 08, 2013, 11:10:05 AM
And don't worry I have had my share of girls in Tally. They seemed much easier.
Much easier
to look at ;)
Quote from: Gators312 on November 08, 2013, 11:10:05 AM
I seriously doubt I would be interested in any of the ladies you are chasing.
FSU fans smack talked and cheered for Alabama and anyone else who played the Gators during your down years.
And don't worry I have had my share of girls in Tally. They seemed much easier.
Thank God it's Basketball season...
You're probably right. I'd take the 8's and 9's, while you went for the 5's and 6's.
You can definitely find more easy party girls in Tallahassee, but that's not what I'm talking about.
Quote from: Tacachale on November 08, 2013, 11:19:39 AM
Hahaha gotta love college football. Apparently spending so much time watching a game played by 21-year-old boys makes you talk like one.
You're sooo sophisticated. Can I please get an invite to your book club?
Leave it to a gator to talk attendance smack when their football program is a dumpster fire this year and if changes aren't made will be next year as well.
Quote from: KenFSU on November 08, 2013, 11:20:38 AM
Quote from: Gators312 on November 08, 2013, 11:10:05 AM
And don't worry I have had my share of girls in Tally. They seemed much easier.
Much easier to look at ;)
:D
It's all in fun.
I guess last years 37-26 hurt came over him or maybe it was the hang over from 1996's 52-20, or maybe he's worried about another Doug Johnson to Jaquez Green National Championship chase ender.
At some point City Life was angry enough he needed to go to the personal attack. So I had to throw in my life experiences since he thought he knew me.
Quote from: CityLife on November 08, 2013, 11:23:08 AM
Quote from: Gators312 on November 08, 2013, 11:10:05 AM
I seriously doubt I would be interested in any of the ladies you are chasing.
FSU fans smack talked and cheered for Alabama and anyone else who played the Gators during your down years.
And don't worry I have had my share of girls in Tally. They seemed much easier.
Thank God it's Basketball season...
You're probably right. I'd take the 8's and 9's, while you went for the 5's and 6's.
You can definitely find more easy party girls in Tallahassee, but that's not what I'm talking about.
oooohhh burnnn!!!!
Gators312, I can say this as someone who lived it for a few years. When your team sucks, it's best to just be self deprecating about it. You're just setting yourself up.
I know I didn't talk any smack when my team sucked and I sure as crap didn't to my UF friends. I also don't talk trash to them now, because i know how much it sucks...but you're just asking for it.
LOL, alot of smack talking between Sunshine State college fans. I dig it!!! ;D
Quote from: CityLife on November 08, 2013, 11:39:33 AM
Gators312, I can say this as someone who lived it for a few years. When your team sucks, it's best to just be self deprecating about it. You're just setting yourself up.
I know I didn't talk any smack when my team sucked and I sure as crap didn't to my UF friends. I also don't talk trash to them now, because i know how much it sucks...but you're just asking for it.
CL you must be in the minority, because I never heard the end of it from my FSU friends. Always chirping when someone could beat us when they couldn't. Always chirping about "Urban Liar" or Tebow is a crybaby etc.
When it comes to the in-state rivalries its hard not to defend your team. I can dish it out and I can take it.
No worries bro, it's just a message board.
I think we can all agree that college football is at its absolute best when Florida State, Florida, and UM all field really strong teams.
Quote from: Gators312 on November 08, 2013, 09:56:52 AM
Here is some season ticket holder sections you may be familiar with
(http://media.trb.com/media/photo/2010-09/56404437.jpg)
way to show an image from 2010
Wasn't that a 10 win season?
Quote from: CityLife on November 08, 2013, 10:45:39 AM
Quote from: Gators312 on November 08, 2013, 10:04:55 AM
FSU in good and bad times have a hard time selling out, sans UF and UM.
Of the top 10 highest attended games at Doak (all above capacity), only 5 are UF and UM. Last year both Clemson and BC games were sellouts.
Quote from: CityLife on November 08, 2013, 11:23:08 AM
Quote from: Gators312 on November 08, 2013, 11:10:05 AM
I seriously doubt I would be interested in any of the ladies you are chasing.
FSU fans smack talked and cheered for Alabama and anyone else who played the Gators during your down years.
And don't worry I have had my share of girls in Tally. They seemed much easier.
Thank God it's Basketball season...
You're probably right. I'd take the 8's and 9's, while you went for the 5's and 6's.
You can definitely find more easy party girls in Tallahassee, but that's not what I'm talking about.
wait...you found 8s and 9s in Gainesville....I didn't know they existed :)
Quote from: Gators312 on November 08, 2013, 11:43:23 AM
Quote from: CityLife on November 08, 2013, 11:39:33 AM
Gators312, I can say this as someone who lived it for a few years. When your team sucks, it's best to just be self deprecating about it. You're just setting yourself up.
I know I didn't talk any smack when my team sucked and I sure as crap didn't to my UF friends. I also don't talk trash to them now, because i know how much it sucks...but you're just asking for it.
CL you must be in the minority, because I never heard the end of it from my FSU friends. Always chirping when someone could beat us when they couldn't. Always chirping about "Urban Liar" or Tebow is a crybaby etc.
When it comes to the in-state rivalries its hard not to defend your team. I can dish it out and I can take it.
No worries bro, it's just a message board.
I guess every social group is different. My longtime UF friends and I will talk college football and about each others teams, but we avoid the trash talk. Kinda like avoiding debates about politics and religion.
That is what the internet is for.
Quote from: Gators312 on November 08, 2013, 12:10:56 PM
Wasn't that a 10 win season?
Sure...10-4 season in 2010....maybe this was the Sanford game on September 4th (59-6)...how was the UF crowd for the noon game on August 31 of this year against Toledo?
and while we're at it, why is your game against Vandy tomorrow on ESPN3 (not TV) and FSN Florida...while FSU @ Wake Forest is on ABC?
Quote from: CityLife on November 08, 2013, 10:45:39 AM
Quote from: Gators312 on November 08, 2013, 10:04:55 AM
FSU in good and bad times have a hard time selling out, sans UF and UM.
Of the top 10 highest attended games at Doak (all above capacity), only 5 are UF and UM. Last year both Clemson and BC games were sellouts.
As long as we are rapping attendance, I guess it's probably worth pointing out that, for all the talk about Jacksonville being Gator central, the two largest crowds in Everbank history were both for the Seminoles (84,129 for Bobby's last game, and 85,413 (!!!) against Alabama in 2007).
QuoteFSU in good and bad times have a hard time selling out, sans UF and UM.
Being a season ticket holder since I graduated, there haven't been many games in which the stadium was empty since the Chris Rix era was ushered in... except for the BS games like Savannah State, etc. That's no different than Florida. I went to the UF/Kentucky game last year and it was about the same crowd as Duke/FSU of the same year. I can't compare FSU/Savannah State to UF/Bowling Green... but from friends that were in Gainesville, they said the crowd at Ben Hill Griffin was particularly poor. Don't be so quick to throw stones.
That said... it's pretty awesome when Florida fans are grasping at straws arguing about attendance as the Noles march down the warpath to Pasadena :)
LOL, at today's post. Time to toss a grenade into the mix, since I talk trash win or lose. Like the Ducks, FSU will piss all over themselves before winning another NC. It's only a matter of time.
Quote from: thelakelander on November 01, 2013, 12:54:23 PM
First, if you're putting money down, take Miami because FSU will not cover that spread (even if I'm wrong on my outright winner prediction below).
Now for my prediction. Some Seminole fans (and players) will wet their panties once they realize FSU will be involved in a real fight for this game. This should happen midway through the 3rd quarter. We'll have a close game on our hands and we'll have a choke at Doak because one team hasn't been challenged late the entire season. On the other hand, the team that invented swagger also knows how to man up in adverse situations.
Miami 31, FSU 28!
By all means, keep making predictions Ennis!
It's worked out well for us so far :D
Don't worry. I may have mixed the weeks up. That prediction can very much still happen!
Thread just wasn't the same without Ennis Dare fanning the flames.
Quote from: fieldafm on November 08, 2013, 12:40:48 PM
QuoteFSU in good and bad times have a hard time selling out, sans UF and UM.
Being a season ticket holder since I graduated, there haven't been many games in which the stadium was empty since the Chris Rix era was ushered in... except for the BS games like Savannah State, etc. That's no different than Florida. I went to the UF/Kentucky game last year and it was about the same crowd as Duke/FSU of the same year. I can't compare FSU/Savannah State to UF/Bowling Green... but from friends that were in Gainesville, they said the crowd at Ben Hill Griffin was particularly poor. Don't be so quick to throw stones.
That said... it's pretty awesome when Florida fans are grasping at straws arguing about attendance as the Noles march down the warpath to Pasadena :)
Mike - you will be a great politician one day. A great mediator bridging the gap.
Good luck marching to a slaughter in Pasadena. :o
Quote from: CityLife on November 08, 2013, 01:11:34 PM
Thread just wasn't the same without Ennis Dare fanning the flames.
So who will it be? Wake, Syracuse, Florida or Miami in the ACC championship game. We all know losing and Jimbo Fisher go together like white on rice.
Don't sleep on Idaho. They are no Wake or Syracuse, but potentially dangerous.
To be honest, I'm most worried about Duke in the ACC Title Game. Please knock them off so we don't have to face them. We caught a big break not having them on the schedule this year.
Quote from: tufsu1 on November 08, 2013, 12:09:02 PM
Quote from: Gators312 on November 08, 2013, 09:56:52 AM
Here is some season ticket holder sections you may be familiar with
(http://media.trb.com/media/photo/2010-09/56404437.jpg)
way to show an image from 2010
It also looks like the pregame show
Quote from: thelakelander on November 08, 2013, 01:19:29 PM
Quote from: CityLife on November 08, 2013, 01:11:34 PM
Thread just wasn't the same without Ennis Dare fanning the flames.
So who will it be? Wake, Syracuse, Florida or Miami in the ACC championship game. We all know losing and Jimbo Fisher go together like white on rice.
Lake, now that Duke is out are you sure Miami isn't going to institute a post season ban to avoid the ACCCG & two losses to FSU just like they did last year?
Love me some Ennis Davis --- always hate tha U
Nope. No one is afraid of the Tallahassee Female Academy. Canes don't take teams off their schedule when those teams get too competitive. ;) That was a precautionary move to avoid stiffer NCAA penalties on future seasons and it worked. Now that Duke is gone, it's all about Dallas Crawford and sending FSU a bowl full of Georgia peaches for Christmas.
^ doubt it...if Miami makes it to the ACC title game and beats FSU, the Noles will likely still get a BCS bowl...now unfortunately for Miami, if they lose, Clemson will get the extra BCS nod ahead of them.
Who did James K. Polk beat to become the 11th President of the US? Exactly......who cares? Coming in second is just as good as coming in 10th. Canes time will come soon. FSU better get their's before the door closes. Unfortunately, history suggests that Jimbo will eventually trip over his own two feet before crossing the finish line.
Quote from: thelakelander on November 08, 2013, 03:06:03 PM
Who did James K. Polk beat to become the 11th President of the US? Exactly......who cares? Coming in second is just as good as coming in 10th. Canes time will come soon. FSU better get their's before the door closes. Unfortunately, history suggests that Jimbo will eventually trip over his own two feet before crossing the finish line.
Wake me up when Miami wins a big regular season game... it's been what, 10 years now?
Quote from: fieldafm on November 08, 2013, 03:20:51 PM
Quote from: thelakelander on November 08, 2013, 03:06:03 PM
Who did James K. Polk beat to become the 11th President of the US? Exactly......who cares? Coming in second is just as good as coming in 10th. Canes time will come soon. FSU better get their's before the door closes. Unfortunately, history suggests that Jimbo will eventually trip over his own two feet before crossing the finish line.
Wake me up when Miami wins a big regular season game... it's been what, 10 years now?
Big game coming up this weekend. Al Golden is trying to stay above a .500 career record.
Quote from: fieldafm on November 08, 2013, 03:20:51 PMWake me up when Miami wins a big regular season game... it's been what, 10 years now?
Canes win one nearly every other year or two. Even with most of the down seasons. Even UF was considered a big win early in the season before half their team ended up in the infirmary ward. The difference has been for every big win they've been followed by puzzling loses to schools like Wake, North Carolina and Virginia. However, this isn't anything that Jimbo and his crew aren't experienced with. It's not like FSU has been dominating the college ranks over the last decade.
FSU has turned the page on that Lake. If the Noles lose one this year it will be in the championship game.
We'll see. Oregon was thinking the same thing 24 hours ago. Now there's fried duck nuggets for everyone. Quack, quack...
Quote from: thelakelander on November 08, 2013, 04:03:38 PM
Quote from: fieldafm on November 08, 2013, 03:20:51 PMWake me up when Miami wins a big regular season game... it's been what, 10 years now?
Canes win one nearly every other year or two. Even with most of the down seasons. Even UF was considered a big win early in the season before half their team ended up in the infirmary ward. The difference has been for every big win they've been followed by puzzling loses to schools like Wake, North Carolina and Virginia. However, this isn't anything that Jimbo and his crew aren't experienced with. It's not like FSU has been dominating the college ranks over the last decade.
Beating Georgia Tech isn't considered a 'big win'. I know the mighty has fallen hard and all, but... :)
Quote from: CityLife on November 08, 2013, 03:28:46 PM
Quote from: fieldafm on November 08, 2013, 03:20:51 PM
Quote from: thelakelander on November 08, 2013, 03:06:03 PM
Who did James K. Polk beat to become the 11th President of the US? Exactly......who cares? Coming in second is just as good as coming in 10th. Canes time will come soon. FSU better get their's before the door closes. Unfortunately, history suggests that Jimbo will eventually trip over his own two feet before crossing the finish line.
Wake me up when Miami wins a big regular season game... it's been what, 10 years now?
Big game coming up this weekend. Al Golden is trying to stay above a .500 career record.
hey be nice...he did coach my Temple Owls!
Lol, so Clemson is a considered a big win now? The rest of the country may have just started following the ACC but Clemson was one of the biggest frauds out there. Like Jimbo's teams, they typically go limp at inopportune times too. They just stayed the course in that FSU beat down.
I kind of catch a bit of the Lebron James vibe from Jameis Winston.
Guy is a beast, with a feel for the game far beyond his years on the field.
Quote from: thelakelander on November 08, 2013, 04:57:11 PM
Lol, so Clemson is a considered a big win now? The rest of the country may have just started following the ACC but Clemson was one of the biggest frauds out there. Like Jimbo's teams, they typically go limp at inopportune times too. They just stayed the course in that FSU beat down.
To be fair, the Noles have made all of their opponents look like frauds this year.
MUCH more a reflection of Jimbo and the boys than a condemnation or exposure of their opponents.
You don't FLATTEN your ranked opponents by a margin of 155-28 by accident.
BEST IN THE WORLD, buddy.
Learn to live with it, cause it's the best thing going today...
Sounds like the 2007 New England Patriots. We all know how that ended... Mercury Morris going bottoms up...
^On the bright side, that's the same year Tom Brady knocked up Bridget Moynahan. However, that means good things lie in wait for Jameis only.
Quote from: tufsu1 on November 08, 2013, 12:16:47 PM
and while we're at it, why is your game against Vandy tomorrow on ESPN3 (not TV) and FSN Florida...while FSU @ Wake Forest is on ABC?
I was watching a lil' of the replay of the FL/GA game the other day, and man that FSN broadcast was unbearable to watch; Mick Hubert and that crew there boy, talk about the ultimate homers, "Oh, my!!!!". Mick seems like a good guy though, and of course the UF fans practically worships him. It was kinda funny at the end of that entire 'Gator-centric' broadcast (even all of the commercials for Christ-sakes) watching the very disappointed Gator fans leave the west side of EverBank Field, LOL.
Clemson took out LSU in the bowl, GA in the Opener, I think they will beat South Carolina and Oregon in the orange. So yes Clemson is a Ledford big win.
Quote from: I-10east on November 08, 2013, 05:52:54 PM
Quote from: tufsu1 on November 08, 2013, 12:16:47 PM
and while we're at it, why is your game against Vandy tomorrow on ESPN3 (not TV) and FSN Florida...while FSU @ Wake Forest is on ABC?
I was watching a lil' of the replay of the FL/GA game the other day, and man that FSN broadcast was unbearable to watch; Mick Hubert and that crew there boy, talk about the ultimate homers, "Oh, my!!!!". Mick seems like a good guy though, and of course the UF fans practically worships him. It was kinda funny at the end of that entire 'Gator-centric' broadcast (even all of the commercials for Christ-sakes) watching the very disappointed Gator fans leave the west side of EverBank Field, LOL.
Hence the title of the program "Breakfast with the Gators". It's the Gator TV broadcast of the games with its counterpart "Prime time 'Noles" being the FSU broadcast produced by Sun Sports. Both homerific. For Florida vs Florida State they split the broadcast teams in half and broadcast together.
^^^Right on.
In all kinds of weather, amirite?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BYpPVYyCUAA3TSB.jpg:large)
Yep...the view from above just showed on TV was pretty sad....half the one side is empty...and this is UF Homecoming!
BTW...they got rid of the homer broadcasts for both teams....Prime Time Noles just replays the network.broadcast from the day before...but Larry Vettel and Nat Moore were about as bad as it gets
Quote from: thelakelander on November 08, 2013, 04:09:24 PM
We'll see. Oregon was thinking the same thing 24 hours ago. Now there's fried duck nuggets for everyone. Quack, quack...
I don't think FSU plays anyone of Stanford's caliber the rest of the year. Yes, even if Miami makes it to the ACCCG. BTW, clearly FSU isn't overlooking Wake. 35-0 at the start of the 2nd quarter. I wish I could have the FSU D on my fantasy team...already four turnovers and two TDs.
Wake's best offensive player broke is collarbone last week. They probably won't score. I'm not sure they scored last week either.
Can legitimately say FSU has given a C+ effort today......and is still up 52-0. #Partylikeits1999
Epic fail Gators. And I chose to be sober today...this is what rock bottom feels like.
At least the weather was nice at BHG today. Never though my Saturdays could get as
pathetic as my Sundays have been.
Quote from: Gators312 on November 09, 2013, 03:29:11 PM
Epic fail Gators. And I chose to be sober today...this is what rock bottom feels like.
Rock bottom is coming in 3 weeks in the form of Jameis
Will UF get enough wins to be bowl eligible this year?
Quote from: thelakelander on November 09, 2013, 04:06:21 PM
Will UF get enough wins to be bowl eligible this year?
Emphatic no, barring a miracle of epic proportions.
Quote from: thelakelander on November 09, 2013, 04:06:21 PM
Will UF get enough wins to be bowl eligible this year?
They have a snowball's chance.
I never thought that I would actually feel sorry for the Gators. First Vandy win in G-ville since 1945, wow...
It looks like Duh U is going to lose again tonight.
LOL, after 10 years I'm used to it. You can't spot a team with a defense like VT, 21 points in the first quarter off two kick return fumbles and a muffed punt attempt at your own 10 yard line. This game was over in the first quarter. Does that means VT is better than FSU since the Canes hung around to the 3rd?
Quote from: thelakelander on November 09, 2013, 10:24:20 PM
LOL, after 10 years I'm used to it. You can't spot a team with a defense like VT, 21 points in the first quarter off two kick return fumbles and a muffed punt attempt at your own 10 yard line. This game was over in the first quarter. Does that means VT is better than FSU since the Canes hung around to the 3rd?
I'd say that means that VT is not as good as FSU because Miami didn't do anything in the 2nd half against FSU.
It also says we might find out on December 7th. Too bad Miami (and that awesome radio guy) can't get their revenge on FSU this year
No canes fan will lose any sleep over not facing FSU without Duke.
Come on Jameis. You don't have to assault anyone in Tally to get laid. At Free Shoes U, legs should willingly part like the Red Sea did for Moses.
QuoteTALLAHASSEE | Florida State quarterback Jameis Winston is under investigation for an alleged sexual assault reported nearly a nearly a year ago.
The university and Winston's attorney confirmed Wednesday that the Tallahassee Police Department is conducting an investigation.
full article: http://members.jacksonville.com/sports/college/florida-state-seminoles/2013-11-13/story/police-fsu-qb-jameis-winston-under
Quote from: thelakelander on November 13, 2013, 09:31:00 PM
Come on Jameis. You don't have to assault anyone in Tally to get laid. At Free Shoes U, legs should willingly part like the Red Sea did for Moses.
QuoteTALLAHASSEE | Florida State quarterback Jameis Winston is under investigation for an alleged sexual assault reported nearly a nearly a year ago.
The university and Winston's attorney confirmed Wednesday that the Tallahassee Police Department is conducting an investigation.
full article: http://members.jacksonville.com/sports/college/florida-state-seminoles/2013-11-13/story/police-fsu-qb-jameis-winston-under
SLANDER, plain and simple.
JW has never been interviewed by police, and the alleged assailant was WAY shorter than Jameis (5'-9" vs 6'-4").
Al Golden probably called this one in himself...
Doubt it. Probably that snake called Nick Saban (I still haven't forgiven him for screwing up the Dolphins).
Quote from: thelakelander on November 13, 2013, 10:57:29 PM
Doubt it. Probably that snake called Nick Saban (I still haven't forgiven him for screwing up the Dolphins).
the snake here may be State Attorney Willie Meggs....and some disgruntled Gator fans
True story...there used to be (and rumors are that they still exist) a group of Gators in Tally that would actively do things to try and sabotage FSU or get FSU players in trouble. How successful they were at stuff, who knows. But I do have a friend whose dad was a Bull Gator and prominent lawyer in Tally, that told me it was true. Given the amount of arrests in Gville lately, it wouldn't surprise me if some FSU fans were doing the same there too. College sports are filthy behind the scenes...
Its pretty obvious this was one of two things. 1. A leak from the someone with the TPD to news outlets by someone with an ax to grind with FSU. 2. Someone paying the alleged victim to bring it back up again.
I'm glad that most people recognize this as the obvious, lackluster smear campaign that it is.
Laughed at this comment on the Times-Union site:
QuoteA black guy is accused of sexual assault, must be Jameis Winston. Physical description of assailant only bears resemblance to Winston in that it states assailant had a dark complexion and was polite. Everything else describes someone completely different. His name isn't mentioned and he was never questioned by police. I feel this kid is probably not the guilty party, that could be my bias however. We do know for sure that it isn't a Gator qb. They never would do any such thing with a woman.
:D
I can't talk trash tonight. Duke must have been hanging around with "Gottahavitall" Winston. ;)
Cane's defense was forcefully molested today. Innocence was taken and it doesn't feel good. Where's the state attorney when you need one!
Quote from: thelakelander on November 16, 2013, 09:14:52 PM
I can't talk trash tonight. Duke must have been hanging around with "Gottahavitall" Winston. ;)
Cane's defense was forcefully molested today. Innocence was taken and it doesn't feel good. Where's the state attorney when you need one!
Let me translate your vagina speak....
Quote from: thelakelander on November 16, 2013, 09:14:52 PM
I'm a big pussy tonight because the team that I've been repping got their asses not only handed to them, but they were obviously paid money to go to a party to dance and then ended up filing charges of rape against at least 2 of the member of the opposing team.
Cane's defense was that they were Lacrossed tonight. There were at least 3 Duke players that I can remember forcibly having their way with me, but their could have been more. A quote from an anonymous victim, "It didn't seem that they could pass the ball, but everytime is was handed off to a running back.... Let's just say my ass is really sore."
LOL.
Man, I think it's becoming clear that this Jameis Winston thing will not be going away quickly. If what is being alleged is true (that the victim was threatened, and that the Tallahassee Police Department purposely kept Winston's name off of the police report, blocked efforts to have blood or DNA testing done, tipped off Winston's legal team in February (giving him a nine month head start to build a defense and gather witnesses), and sat on the case for 11 months without alerting the DA), we are looking at a truly ugly situation here. I fear that if Winston is innocent, the behavior of the TPD will paint him as guilty. And, on the off chance that Winston did commit the crime in question, I truly feel sorry for the victim, because there's no way she emerges from this thing with anything resembling a normal, happy life.
http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/10005973/alleged-victim-winston-investigation-speaks-out
Read the family's statement. The Family was worried about backlash and their attorney talked with the detective about it. I think the detective would have been lying to tell their attorney there would be nothing to worry about no backlash at all. At the very least it is not threatening the victim to talk about possible consequences to with her attorney(not to the victim ) who I would assume is able to handle tough conversations.
Warned as most of the news reports frame it seems much more accurate than threatened.
Whoa, this story is talking a turn for the worse.....
Winston hasn't even been brought in for questioning. At this point the family is angling for a civil suit.
In a shocking turn of events, can anyone guess where the alleged victims lawyer (aunt) went to law school?
http://www.floridabar.org/names.nsf/0/0D5502A5470B612485256A830040E0DA?OpenDocument
Quote from: JeffreyS on November 20, 2013, 03:03:32 PM
Warned as most of the news reports frame it seems much more accurate than threatened.
exactly....if the detective said that, it was just a cautionary note so that the victim knew what she had in front of her
Quote from: CityLife on November 20, 2013, 04:48:17 PM
In a shocking turn of events, can anyone guess where the alleged victims lawyer (aunt) went to law school?
http://www.floridabar.org/names.nsf/0/0D5502A5470B612485256A830040E0DA?OpenDocument
might be a bit of a stretch to make that connection....but time will tell
Stretch how?
Quote from: CityLife on November 20, 2013, 04:48:17 PM
In a shocking turn of events, can anyone guess where the alleged victims lawyer (aunt) went to law school?
http://www.floridabar.org/names.nsf/0/0D5502A5470B612485256A830040E0DA?OpenDocument
I love Florida State as much as anyone out there, and this has been the most fun I've had watching FSU football in a decade, but until we get a little more information about what exactly happened, and why it was handled the way that it was, I can't in good conscious automatically dismiss this girl as a lawsuit-chaser or liar. My kneejerk reaction was that it was just a conveniently timed smear campaign. Why else would police not even bother to question Jameis Winston, and why would the story not surface until the tail end of one of the great freshman QB seasons of all time. And why would the alleged victim suddenly stop cooperating with the police?
The latest information, however, seems to suggest the
possibility that the Tallahassee Police Department may have purposely omitted Winston from the police report, deliberately sat on the case rather than bringing it to the attention of the DA, and tipped Winston's attorney off to get a defense ready. It turns out that the reason we are just now hearing about it is because it took hard-hitting journalists like the folks at TMZ to dig into the story and start hounding the TPD. Further, evidence also suggests the possibility that the only reason the girl stopped participating with the TPD was because she was was warned by TPD over what would happen if she went public. Regardless of whether "threatened" is too strong a word, when the police allegedly tell you that "Tallahassee is a big football town and you will be raked over the coals and your life will be made miserable if you pursue charges" that is bullshit, and heads need to roll for it if true. "We will protect you, and whoever did this to you is going to pay dearly" sure sounds better to me.
Don't get me wrong, Winston could
easily be innocent of any wrong doing (and should be assumed as such, for now), I just think that based on the limited information available, it's irresponsible and dangerous to automatically write this girl off as a liar.
I also think that the TPD's alleged behavior, if true, makes Winston appear guilty, even if he did nothing wrong that night.
Quote from: KenFSU on November 20, 2013, 05:28:37 PM
Quote from: CityLife on November 20, 2013, 04:48:17 PM
In a shocking turn of events, can anyone guess where the alleged victims lawyer (aunt) went to law school?
http://www.floridabar.org/names.nsf/0/0D5502A5470B612485256A830040E0DA?OpenDocument
I love Florida State as much as anyone out there, and this has been the most fun I've had watching FSU football in a decade, but until we get a little more information about what exactly happened, and why it was handled the way that it was, I can't in good conscious automatically dismiss this girl as a lawsuit-chaser or liar. My kneejerk reaction was that it was just a conveniently timed smear campaign. Why else would police not even bother to question Jameis Winston, and why would the story not surface until the tail end of one of the great freshman QB seasons of all time. And why would the alleged victim suddenly stop cooperating with the police?
The latest information, however, seems to suggest the possibility that the Tallahassee Police Department may have purposely omitted Winston from the police report, deliberately sat on the case rather than bringing it to the attention of the DA, and tipped Winston's attorney off to get a defense ready. It turns out that the reason we are just now hearing about it is because it took hard-hitting journalists like the folks at TMZ to dig into the story and start hounding the TPD. Further, evidence also suggests the possibility that the only reason the girl stopped participating with the TPD was because she was was warned by TPD over what would happen if she went public. Regardless of whether "threatened" is too strong a word, when the police allegedly tell you that "Tallahassee is a big football town and you will be raked over the coals and your life will be made miserable if you pursue charges" that is bullshit, and heads need to roll for it if true. "We will protect you, and whoever did this to you is going to pay dearly" sure sounds better to me.
Don't get me wrong, Winston could easily be innocent of any wrong doing (and should be assumed as such, for now), I just think that based on the limited information available, it's irresponsible and dangerous to automatically write this girl off as a liar.
I also think that the TPD's alleged behavior, if true, makes Winston appear guilty, even if he did nothing wrong that night.
TMZ and hard hitting journalism are two things that do not go together, TMZ is akin to the National Enquirer.
If she was warned as is being alleged, it could very well have been that the police knew that they did not have enough evidence to make any charge stick outside of her word and the evidence may have not even supported her allegations.
Quote from: carpnter on November 20, 2013, 07:46:52 PM
TMZ and hard hitting journalism are two things that do not go together, TMZ is akin to the National Enquirer.
I probably should have used the [/sarcasm] tag there :D
Quote from: CityLife on November 20, 2013, 05:06:10 PM
Stretch how?
well Winston's attorney has both a bachelors degree and law degree from UF...and he's a Gator Booster...does that mean he wouldn't represent Jameis fairly?
Quote from: tufsu1 on November 20, 2013, 08:36:49 PM
Quote from: CityLife on November 20, 2013, 05:06:10 PM
Stretch how?
well Winston's attorney has both a bachelors degree and law degree from UF...and he's a Gator Booster...does that mean he wouldn't represent Jameis fairly?
THE FIX IS IN.
Quote from: tufsu1 on November 20, 2013, 08:36:49 PM
Quote from: CityLife on November 20, 2013, 05:06:10 PM
Stretch how?
well Winston's attorney has both a bachelors degree and law degree from UF...and he's a Gator Booster...does that mean he wouldn't represent Jameis fairly?
Cue scene from "Friday Night Lights"....
http://www.youtube.com/v/_2LMj-4PtdU?
Quote from: tufsu1 on November 20, 2013, 08:36:49 PM
Quote from: CityLife on November 20, 2013, 05:06:10 PM
Stretch how?
well Winston's attorney has both a bachelors degree and law degree from UF...and he's a Gator Booster...does that mean he wouldn't represent Jameis fairly?
He has a good relationship with FSU and has been vetted to represent Jameis...this lady on the other hand has questionable motives. I've texted or emailed a few lawyer friends today and everyone of them believes her statements are posturing for a civil suit against the TPD. TPD came out tonight and said the victim willingly dropped the case in February and cut off contact, said there were false statements in the letter from her lawyer today, and that they look forward to being able to tell the truth about the case and what happened. It is also pretty clear she is the one that leaked this to the press....11 months after the fact. The initial media request that got the case reopened was from the exact same reporter at the Tampa Bay Times that carried today's story...and the lawyer happens to be based in the Tampa area.
I've got a friend with contacts at the SAO and a former roommate from a prominent FSU booster family. I've heard there are some things that don't add up from her story. Truth is people are hearing a lot of things, so I'm going to hold off making final judgements one way or the other...but at this time, I'm skeptical.
Umm, well if you guys need a replacement, you can have Stephen Morris!
Quote from: thelakelander on November 20, 2013, 09:27:50 PM
Umm, we'll if you guys need a replacement, you can have Stephen Morris!
Hahahahaha.... oh how the mighty have tucketh their tails.
Have you been sitting down to pee since? ;)
Quote from: carpnter on November 20, 2013, 07:46:52 PM
TMZ and hard hitting journalism are two things that do not go together, TMZ is akin to the National Enquirer.
Sure TMZ is all about entertainment angle, but I wouldn't instantly write them off with everything that they report. They was the first to report on Michael Jackson's death; That credibility turned heads in the world of media. Even the so called 'highly credible sources' like NBC CBS etc gets it wrong sometimes.
Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on November 20, 2013, 09:36:46 PM
Quote from: thelakelander on November 20, 2013, 09:27:50 PM
Umm, we'll if you guys need a replacement, you can have Stephen Morris!
Hahahahaha.... oh how the mighty have tucketh their tails.
Have you been sitting down to pee since? ;)
What are you talking about? It's NBA season! Da Heat will not be stopped! ;)
FYI, I posted what I did last night, knowing Jameis and the girl slept together. My friend with a connection to the SAO told me so over the weekend. The real question is whether it was consensual or not. There are a lot of rumors out there that there are pictures of the 2 of them after the alleged incident, phone records, and other stuff. There is also a rumor that her own roommate is one of the 2 witness affidavits that back Winston.
Not that I doubt you, but why in the heck is a friend of yours in the SAO talking to you (or anyone else) about this? And, unless anyone else was personally there to see them sleeping together, they really don't know.
I think it is time for the news media and all of us to stop making any assumptions or conclusions until the information is fully out there.
Its a friend of a friend, and they didn't divulge any specific details of the case...just inferred that something did in fact go down with the 2 of them. At the time my friend found this out, everyone in Tally thought the case was bogus and he was questioning his friend at SAO about why the case hadn't yet been thrown out. He's a smart lawyer and was able to read between the lines of what he was told.
Hmm, start warming that backup QB's arm up. You don't want your dream season to go up in smoke against Duke!
Lake, can you tell us what that is like? So we can mentally prepare ourselves? ;D
Quote from: thelakelander on November 21, 2013, 08:41:57 AM
Hmm, start warming that backup QB's arm up. You don't want your dream season to go up in smoke against Duke!
no worries...he played the second half last week and will probably get lots of playing time this week....plus, you might have noticed that we have some pretty good RBs too!
Quote from: CityLife on November 21, 2013, 08:47:26 AM
Lake, can you tell us what that is like? So we can mentally prepare ourselves? ;D
Canes are still a work in progress, so this was never a dream season. If I look back on da U's storied past, I'd go back to the 86' loss where Testaverde tossed six picks to a Penn State team they were head and shoulders better than or the 03' game where the sixth title was stolen with a late flag (that came after the finale fireworks show) and the loss of McGahee's knee. Hmm, but those were playing for all the marbles and real nut crunchers. Reserved for once you've reached the mountain top. At this point, FSU is still trying to reach the highest of seven hills in Tallahassee.
This is an ACC championship game, so this would be another version of Jimbo tripping over his own two feet again.
So perhaps, it's better to look at FSU's own history. It would be like having Chris Rix as your starting QB in nightmare that takes you four years to wake up from. That feeling you had then, is what it will be as Duke takes a page out of Jameis' book and you realize your shell shocked defense is no match for their overly aggressive offense. ;)
Winston's DNA found in girl's underwear....
QuoteTest links Winston's DNA to accuser
TALLAHASSEE, Fla. -- A DNA analysis completed by the Florida Department of Law Enforcement on Tuesday confirmed that DNA provided by Florida State quarterback Jameis Winston matched the sample taken from the underwear of the woman who has accused him of sexual battery.
According to the DNA analysis report, a copy of which was viewed by ESPN.com on Wednesday, the Florida state crime lab determined the chance of the DNA in the woman's underwear being a match for someone other than Winston was one in 2.2 trillion.
http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/10009077/dna-analysis-matches-jameis-winston-accuser
Old news Lake, I already posted about it earlier this morning. Winston and his lawyer have been contending that it was consensual all along and there is supposedly a decent amount of evidence that backs those claims.
yes...as CityLife posted above, it seems very likely that they were together
Quote from: thelakelander on November 21, 2013, 09:10:28 AM
This is an ACC championship game, so this would be another version of Jimbo tripping over his own two feet again.
could you please refresh our memory on how many ACC championship games FSU has played in...and how many they have lost? And while you're at it, feel free to provide the same info. for Miami
ACC championship games? LOL, who the hell cares? That's like bragging about bunting to first base.
Quote from: thelakelander on November 21, 2013, 10:22:55 AM
ACC championship games? LOL, who the hell cares? That's like bragging about bunting to first base.
its all about getting on base my friend...you can't score runs without getting to first base!
Winston's attorney says the sex was consensual
https://www.tallahassee.com/article/20131121/NEWS/131121016/Update-Attorney-says-Jameis-Winston-complainant-had-consensual-sex
QuoteTim Jansen, a Tallahassee attorney representing FSU quarterback Jameis Winston in a sexual-assault complaint against him, said in a news conference this morning that sex between his client and the complainant was consensual.
When asked whether the sex was consensual, Jansen replied, "absolutely."
Jansen added that he anticipated his client's DNA would match the DNA found on the complainant.
"We are not surprised with the results of the DNA," he said. "We voluntarily submitted to a DNA, the only thing we are surprised by is it was leaked out by law enforcement," he said. "The question the people should ask is why is it being leaked? For what purpose?"
Jansen held the news conference in response to a report on ESPN.com that DNA taken from the complainant matched Winston's DNA. Winston submitted to a DNA swab a week ago on campus.
"I don't think it's a secret what the defense is when I tell you that we are not surprised his DNA was found. We anticipated it would be found. We never, ever said he wasn't there."
Quote from: tufsu1 on November 21, 2013, 11:10:35 AM
Quote from: thelakelander on November 21, 2013, 10:22:55 AM
ACC championship games? LOL, who the hell cares? That's like bragging about bunting to first base.
its all about getting on base my friend...you can't score runs without getting to first base!
True. But you can't brag until you clear home plate.
So the story goes from "It couldn't be Jameis! she's accusing a guy 5'10" and Jameis is 6'4!!" to "It was consensual!"
I won't pass judgement until it all comes out, but I will say you guys wouldn't be nearly as cavalier if this was Aj McCarron or Taj Boyd.
True....
Quote from: Gators312 on November 21, 2013, 11:27:22 AM
So the story goes from "It couldn't be Jameis! she's accusing a guy 5'10" and Jameis is 6'4!!" to "It was consensual!"
I won't pass judgement until it all comes out, but I will say you guys wouldn't be nearly as cavalier if this was Aj McCarron or Taj Boyd.
You'd think if they had been "seeing" each other as it is now being reported, that she would have at least know how tall he was. ???
Interesting editorial by Bob Gabordi of the
Tallahassee Democrat.
QuoteAfter spotlight of Jameis Winston case, troubling questions remain
At some point, there has to be deeper accountability and not just quick swipes in the media. The implications of how allegations against Jameis Winston have been investigated raise embarrassing questions for our community that need to be talked about.
My directive to my staff has been — and will be on this and every instance — this: Our job is to focus on holding accountable our public institutions. It is not to decide if or what crimes have been committed by Winston or anyone else. We'll leave that to the justice system, but we'll hold that system answerable to the public.
We do not know if the Tallahassee Police Department did anything wrong in its initial investigation of sexual battery allegations brought last December against Jameis Winston. It only appears that way.
Nor do we know if our police are too quick to dismiss such allegations brought by young college women in general or if Winston's star potential was ever a factor. In December 2012, he was merely a fourth-string quarterback, not a Heisman favorite, though many knew him as a highly recruited quarterback and baseball pitcher with a 95 mph fastball.
I worry more about whether police are too quick to dismiss all such allegations than I do about them being influenced by the football stats of the person being accused. Both would show institutional flaws, but the former is likely to be more hurtful to more women.
All of this raises deeply troubling questions that force us to seek answers. As do leaks of evidence in an ongoing criminal investigation, knowing that such leaks generally occur when the parties involved lose faith that "the system" is working properly.
What we do know is that the investigation stopped short of what the complainant and her family say they wanted, and State Attorney Willie Meggs seems to agree.
He said he wasn't brought into the case until it was about to blow up in the media, and he says he should have been involved much earlier.
We do not know that someone associated with TPD leaked the results of DNA testing of Winston this week, but the Florida Department of Law Enforcement and Meggs say it did not come from them, and TPD was the only other agency that had a copy. Circumstantial evidence? It's not even that good, but it's enough for fingers to again be pointed at TPD.
We also know that Winston's defense attorney says he was told by TPD that the case was dropped — he says closed — back in February, but that the complainant and her family say they did not know that. Why would the defense be told what the accuser was not?
We do not know for sure that a TPD investigator tried to talk the complainant out of pursuing a case against a potential star FSU quarterback back in the early days of this case, but the complainant and her attorney say that is so.
We do not know that TPD was either incompetent or trying to cover up a serious allegation — or if it did everything by the book and outsiders are just misreading the book. But it is being portrayed in the national media as both incompetent and covering up a serious crime.
We deserve to know the truth, though.
One thing is certain: Either the city has badly mishandled this case from the start to the writing of an email laying out the case against Jameis Winston, or State Attorney Meggs is guilty of grandstanding at the expense of Winston and TPD.
We simply do not know.
We deserve to know.
We cannot keep having grand juries investigate the handling of crimes by our police department. We cannot keep being referred to as "small town" with the implications that brings.
We deserve better and to know the truth.
http://blogs.tallahassee.com/after-spotlight-of-jameis-winston-case-troubling-questions-remain/
Deadspin getting on the FSU bandwagon for media clicks.....
http://deadspin.com/jameis-winston-isnt-the-only-problem-here-an-fsu-teac-1467707410
QuoteWe love the game. We love the players, too, even when they scare us.
Like the blue-chip defensive secondary leader who wrote his personal essay for an openly gay professor on the time in high school he gleefully commanded a posse to bash a girly fag near to death, caved the queer's face, and ruined his smile.
Or the hulking offensive star who brought a friend to help him corner a short, pretty instructor alone in her closet office and scare her within an inch of her life for telling the athletic department he was clowning in class.
Or the top offensive player who sought tutoring from me on a plagiarized paper while tweaking on uppers. Or the standout lineman who never showed for my lectures or turned much in except for a term paper written in someone else's voice, then magically disappeared from the class roll when I resisted the team handlers who pressed me not to fail him.
These guys are all starters at Florida State University. They're probably going to play for the national title; they're almost certainly going to go high in the NFL draft. None of them is older than 22, and they already have longer Wikipedia entries than anyone on the FSU faculty.
My colleagues and I—writers and teachers of writing—are on that faculty. Most of us are Seminole fans as well as teachers. We've dashed off tributes to the game and the players—some conflicted, some not.
We love football, and we really love winning, and while we might be pseudo-intellectuals who idolize tweedy, critical theory-spouting professors, we hate it when they denigrate the game's presence on campus. We want to do right by these players. One of mine was from a sugarfield shantytown best known as the AIDS capital of the state. I hope he never goes back. "You're like, 'Fucking A, man, this is awesome,'" my co-worker Derek says of teaching big-name players. "You're part mentor and part fanboy." (The names of the FSU instructors in this story have been changed to protect their identities and the identities of their students.)
But we're increasingly flummoxed by the football culture surrounding Tallahassee, one that's grown malignant with the wins and the scrutiny, like a traditional Islamic country turned radical and defensive, its craziest pilgrims whirling around Doak Campbell Stadium, the black cube at the center of their Mecca. It's a culture that tells these adolescents that their highest calling is to sacrifice their bodies in the grassy shrine, that all else is distraction. It's the same culture that's now undergoing paroxysms of wild paranoia to spin Benghazi- and Trayvon-style conspiracy theories that might explain these obviously baseless allegations against Jameis Winston, the teenager whose prophetic power can reduce old white men to joyful sobbing.
Before Jameis, there was the gay-basher. His teacher, Robert, was also one of Florida State's superstars, a professor in training with a pile of prestigious awards and grants. He is also gay, a fact that "any of my students are gonna figure out pretty quickly," he says. The defensive back took his required writing class a few summers back, and they met early in the course for a one-on-one conference to discuss an assigned essay exploring a significant personal moment in the students' lives.
"It was just me and him in my windowless office on the fourth floor of an empty campus building," Robert says. The player submitted his essay and went down the hall for a drink, while Robert read it and promptly "freaked out."
The paper was "a very graphic, very detailed, very proud telling of how he basically got his high school classmates together to beat the shit out of this 'fag'"—a word used often in the work—"and literally kick him in the teeth to teach him a lesson." They were sick of their mark "acting like a girl," Robert recalls, and so they went about punching him in the face, emptying his gumline. The tone of the player's essay was that "he was very proud of himself. He had taken the initiative to organize this beating."
Robert panicked. The essay's victim "talked sexually, had tight clothes, and had feminine features—some of which could be certainly be said of me," he says. "Why would he give that to me? I took it in the moment as a personal threat."
When the player returned, Robert faked getting an important text and begged out of the conference, then ran down to a mentor's office to report the paper. The situation was handled well, he said: He never had to see that student again. Still, he had no clue as to the player's motives—or his rehabilitation. "Who knows if he learned anything?" Robert says. "It would be nice if a coach or someone from the Athletic Academic Advising Program said something to him."
The d-back still had to pass his writing requirement, and so the following fall he was placed in a class with Derek, an avid fan and alpha male type who's taught seven or so football players and developed a reputation as a sort of jock whisperer. But although he knew why the student was there, Derek never found a way to bring up the student's homophobic story. Was he performing at fag-hating for the benefit of his ultra-macho brethren, or was he really a violent basher? Could he be a good kid, all things considered except for the hate crimes?
"I know he didn't think that shit was wrong," Derek said, with compassion. Halfway through the semester, the young instructor had questions—for his supervisor, for the coaches. "Did they even tell this kid that what he did was wrong? And if they did, what did they tell him was the wrong part: beating a gay kid near to death, or thinking it was OK to beat a gay kid, or thinking it was OK to write one of us an essay about beating a gay kid?" But Derek never asked them aloud.
The kid muddled through the course, giving Derek little trouble. That January, he helped FSU come back to stuff Notre Dame in the Champs Sports Bowl.
Team superstars get special assistance from the Athletic Academic Advising Program, usually in the form of two clipboard-wielding dudes in garnet-and-gold warmups who pour into the classrooms during our lectures to see whether the players are present. Handlers, they're called. "Like for animals at the zoo," Derek says. "Or like the fucking sellers at the markets. Let's call it what it is."
The handlers' only real job is to keep the players eligible to play, whatever it takes. That includes begging, browbeating, suborning intimidation, and, we all have suspected, writing assignments for the athletes. That's what happened to another instructor, Lacy, when she informed an athletic academic advisor that she had some problem players, including a star receiver, who were turning work in late, cutting corners, submitting seemingly plagiarized work, and pulling childish stunts in her classroom like flipping the lights on and off.
The advisor's response was to get on the players' cases ... and to show them her email, Lacy says. So that was why they were now in deep shit. Two of the athletes, clad in team warmups, stormed into her office unannounced and cornered her, yelling at the small, genteel Southerner as she sat between them, her backed pushed up onto her desk. "They're both just towering over me and arguing with me. They were puffing their chests and pacing quickly, leaning in on me," she says. They told her, "I thought you were cool." They called her a liar.
"It just felt very, very aggressive," she said. "I was very uncomfortable."
She told them firmly to leave her alone and got them to exit without incident, assisted by another instructor nearby. In relating the confrontation to a mentor the next day, "I got kind of upset," she says. "I was tearing up a little bit, which surprised me at the time."
Her mentor was upset, too, and took it up with the team's academic handlers. But nothing ever came of it. This was late in the semester, and she didn't want the players coming back to her office, so she decided not to get on the handlers' bad side. "I was very reticent to fail a football player, because I didn't want to be harassed," she says. "I shouldn't have, but I probably graded them much more easily than the other students."
By all accounts, that star receiver has matured greatly since his run-in with Lacey. Still, when she sees close-ups of him on television, she gets anxious. "I can't help but feel he's a little bit of a punk."
I've had dealings with the handlers. My biggest issue was with a gentle giant of a lineman who was new to college, and to reading, and had trouble making it to the morning class. On the few occasions he made it to class (late) and didn't fall dead asleep, his earnest writing, both in style and structure, was that of an elementary school student. He never turned a paper in on time, but when I contacted the handlers to warn them of his status, a pile of final drafts would suddenly materialize, full of fairly complex, organized thoughts and diction—thoughts that hadn't made it into earlier drafts I'd seen. I was bombarded with regular long emails from handlers explaining how I should arrange extra meetings with the player and extend deadlines for him. But he couldn't overcome his absences, and when I informed them through a mentor that he wouldn't pass and it was too late to drop the class, I was asked if I could give him an "incomplete," even though he didn't qualify for one. I said no.
This was a problem: My lineman was already on academic probation for poor performance in his first semester. Should I flunk him, he would lose his eligibility. At the end of the term, when I went online to enter my students' grades, his name didn't appear on the roster. He had been administratively disappeared from the rolls—a medical withdrawal, I heard, though I wondered what malady rendered him unable to attend class but capable of playing 40 or 50 snaps every Saturday.
Sometimes, it was the handlers' non-responsiveness that disturbed me. Like when a lumbering receiver appeared at my open tutoring hours to receive help with his paper, a series of rough ramblings connecting entire lifted passages from a marketing textbook, several Wikipedia pages, and an online biography of Nancy Reagan.
A few minutes into my explanation of why plagiarism wasn't kosher, the receiver's attention seemed elsewhere. He asked if there was a bathroom nearby; he excused himself. He returned about five minutes later, and his demeanor had changed considerably. His legs were quivering, his arms shuddered, and though it was clear he was making an effort, he couldn't focus on my laptop and the work we'd started. "Hot in here," he complained, sweating and stripping off his warm-up top in the middle of a cool basement space where my fellow tutors and I were still wearing winter coats. With 15 minutes left in our session, he rose suddenly, anxious to go to the library and finish the paper, he said.
Through a supervisor, I contacted the academic handlers about the receiver, but never heard a response. This was early last December, less than a week before the police began investigating a sexual assault that allegedly involved Jameis Winston.
If I kept a schedule like these kids do, I'd probably consider popping a lot of greenies. I don't know what they do over there across campus, in a gleaming behemoth of a new training facility, bankrolled by the booster club that's now developing a series of strip malls and condos and drinkeries for alumni on the once-artsy industrial flatlands outside the football stadium. ("Collegetown," they're calling it.) Whatever our players do takes up so much physical and psychic energy that it's amazing they don't ever kill anyone, much less that they make it to class. But most of them are fine. There are dozens of successful, placid ones on the roster every year.
One of Derek's better-adjusted athletes said it wasn't the practices or the physical abuse that bothered him, but how the coaches force-fed him and his teammates. "They watch me clean the plate," the player told Derek. "'You let that settle and then go lift.'" That's in addition to the supervised supplement-swallowing, the pills and powders of who the hell knows what. "He looks down at me, this monster man, this beast, and now he's got kid eyes," Derek tells me, "and he says to me: 'Mister Derek, sometimes I'm not hungry anymore.'"
That wounded Seminole is now a successful NFL player.
We don't know what our role is in these players' lives. Do they even need our classes? Do they need to be cultural critics, or cogent writers? "You're gonna get 3,600 calories shoveled in you and then you're going to lift and run and hit each other. And then I'm gonna ask you to write an eight-page paper on Q-Tip ads?" Derek marvels. "That's a lot that they're leaving up to an underpaid staff to get these kids to do."
As writers and academic thinkers, we understand that sometimes a narrative works the nerves in such a satisfying way that it becomes stronger than a nuanced truth. It becomes what we tell ourselves about ourselves to make sense of things. In Tallahassee, the narrative is that football is salvation, and Jameis is its prophet. He brought back winning, more than we're used to. He brought back swagger, but not too much. He did it all with an insane arm and a smile and a laugh and he's just such a nice young man. (That's a compliment to a black quarterback that's more than a little loaded in a town whose racist taunts ran FSU's first black player off the field and into mental torment, which he ended by firing a revolver into his own stomach, here, in 1972.)
The current allegations against Winston, even if they're ultimately dropped, threaten our pure victory narrative. But most of Tallahassee, even the local sports reporters, cannot accept that the narrative is overly simple, and that failure is always an option, whether it's a physical failure in the fourth quarter, or a moral one in a strange bedroom after last call on Tennessee Street. Most vocal Noles fans find it easier to bandy about numerous conspiracy theories to explain the news. It's the timing of this thing going public—some Manziel or McCarron fan dropping a bomb before Heisman voting, before BCS selection. Maybe even a (voice drops to a whisper) Gators fan. It's the height discrepancy in the police report—and that chick doesn't know what the hell went on, probably because she was drinking. It's some lying jealous gold-digger. It's racism. It's a state attorney who is grandstanding or maybe corrupt or maybe just has a hard-on for unfairly persecuting football players for rape, except for the ones that were actually guilty or look pretty bad.
Things are startin' to get a little serious in here....
On a lighter note, this commercial break from Foot Locker:
http://www.youtube.com/v/9KMUnqB_NiU?
The alleged victim's name is starting to leak out. Apparently her former roommate dated another player and both were in the apartment that evening. They are the two affidavits that match Winston's story. If the person rumored is in fact the victim, there are images of her and her former roommate prior to the Miami game this year. Why would she come back to Florida to cheer on a guy who raped her?
I don't think any of us know but from what I understand, she didn't reopen the case recently. As for this quote by her attorney, it's a nut cruncher....
QuoteAs to the original incident report from Tallahassee police in which the accuser described her attacker as being between 5 feet, 9 inches and 5 feet, 11 inches, Carroll wrote: "Lastly, DNA is not 5'9'' to 5'11'', DNA is Jameis Winston."
http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/10021069/jameis-winston-accuser-lawyer-was-rape
Local Radio host Rick Balou, former Tallahassee reporter and big FSU fan claimed on his Friday afternoon show that his sources tell him the charges will be dropped Monday or Tuesday. Take that for what it's worth I am betting his sources are FSU fans as well but I am sure he wouldn't want to put that on air if he did not feel like he was getting some level of credible info.
Of course if there are no charges we will likely never see all the info the SA has so Winston won't be convicted or cleared.
Bud Elliot of Tomahawk Nation tweeted pretty much the same thing
Quote from: thelakelander on November 23, 2013, 12:11:58 AM
I don't think any of us know but from what I understand, she didn't reopen the case recently. As for this quote by her attorney, it's a nut cruncher....
QuoteAs to the original incident report from Tallahassee police in which the accuser described her attacker as being between 5 feet, 9 inches and 5 feet, 11 inches, Carroll wrote: "Lastly, DNA is not 5'9'' to 5'11'', DNA is Jameis Winston."
http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/10021069/jameis-winston-accuser-lawyer-was-rape
Her problem is the two affidavits and the evidence (or lack thereof) collected from the rape kit. She probably does not know what the affidavits say. I also find it hard to believe that a SA would let Winston remain free if there was physical evidence that supported her side of the story.
Rick Ballou has been relatively quiet about his opinion on the subject, I doubt that 1010xl would let him run with a story like that on the air without some credible sources. The sources might be incorrect, but they are probably credible.
You guys better hope so.
There's also a problem of a potential 3rd set of DNA....perhaps that's how one or both of the other witnesses know so much.
Interesting. Sounds like that was a wild night.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apD9_hLxqE0
Gators lost to Ga Southern!! WOW! Muschamp gotta go!
I wish he could stay but he should be gone tonight.
Wow. Georgia Southern had ZERO yards passing.
Quote from: thelakelander on November 23, 2013, 06:28:39 PM
Wow. Georgia Southern had ZERO yards passing.
7 yds a carry why pass?
When you put it like that, I guess so. Any chance some hope can be mustered up to give FSU a good game next week?
by good do you mean less than 3 TD spread?
Yes. By good, I mean......competitive.
Da...Da Da Da Da! Go Gators!!! Yay!!! the orange & blue are back on...wait, hold up for one minute...Oh yikes!!!
Messing with the Gators is not even fun anymore. Man they have some issues down there.
Quote from: thelakelander on November 23, 2013, 06:39:13 PM
When you put it like that, I guess so. Any chance some hope can be mustered up to give FSU a good game next week?
Jimbo won't leave his first team in if UF has no chance of coming back, he and Muschamp are friends. Jimbo is not one to run up the score with his first team, if his second and third team players are still scoring, he'll probably stick to just running the ball in the 4th quarter to keep the clock running if UF has not chance.
Quote from: I-10east on November 23, 2013, 09:44:37 PM
Da...Da Da Da Da! Go Gators!!! Yay!!! the orange & blue are back on...wait, hold up for one minute...Oh yikes!!!
Messing with the Gators is not even fun anymore. Man they have some issues down there.
I guess the Jags have me accustomed to losing and being downright inept so it's like my Saturdays and Sundays are interchangeable. I find I'm not nearly as angry at losses as I have been in past years.
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time to come back to reality Ock...there's about 6 teams in front of your OSU
Oklahoma State-FSU next Labor Day at the Jerry Dome...I'll be there. Should be a good one.
Both UF and FSU made contractual mistakes after last season and will pay for it. Foley gave Muschamp a raise/extension and FSU held off on giving Fisher one...now Foley can't fire Muschamp because of an $8 million buyout, while FSU will have to pay Fisher significantly more than they would have last year.
I know UF is pretty beat up, but I think they'll put up a decent fight on Saturday. Rivalry games have a way of doing that. Heck, one of FSU's worst teams in the past 30 years almost beat the Gators 2006 title team. I have a hunch it will either be a complete blowout or really tight one.
Should Muschamp be fired though? After all, you need more than talent to compete for a championship. You also need the luck of season long health for your key players. UF has been hit pretty hard by the injury bug this year. I'm not sure teams like FSU or Bama would be any different if they had the same amount of injuries to key starters.
I disagree Lake those injuries don't cover the loss to GSU.
They had already lost six games at that point. They aren't going to a bowl game. It's pretty hopeless at that point and a well run option is a pretty difficult offensive set to stop when your defense is out of position.
Georgia Southern was 6-4 and had lost over 10 players to injuries this season....there is no excuse for Florida losing that game
GSU has also lost 19 scholarships. No excuse.
Well I tried. I thought my Cane's going belly up against Duke and VT were bad but losing to GSU is like losing to FAMU's team instead of the band. Totally unacceptable.
Firing Muschamp would be an almost no brainer, but like I said, he has an $8 million buyout. I'm sure UF can pay it with no problem, but it certainly makes the decision more difficult. It also may not be the best year to be looking for a big time coach with USC and possibly Texas in the same market. There also aren't as many hot names for big time programs as there usually are.
I have a UF buddy who also thinks Foley doesn't want to set a precedent that one bad year gets you canned at UF. He said after the UF fans kind of turned on Meyer after winning 2 titles, some coaches were hesitant about taking the job when Muschamp was hired. If Muschamp gets let go after an injury riddled year, it may make it even more difficult to get an elite coach.
Quote from: CityLife on November 24, 2013, 10:47:00 PM
Firing Muschamp would be an almost no brainer, but like I said, he has an $8 million buyout. I'm sure UF can pay it with no problem, but it certainly makes the decision more difficult. It also may not be the best year to be looking for a big time coach with USC and possibly Texas in the same market. There also aren't as many hot names for big time programs as there usually are.
I have a UF buddy who also thinks Foley doesn't want to set a precedent that one bad year gets you canned at UF. He said after the UF fans kind of turned on Meyer after winning 2 titles, some coaches were hesitant about taking the job when Muschamp was hired. If Muschamp gets let go after an injury riddled year, it may make it even more difficult to get an elite coach.
I'll agree with this except that I don't think people really turned against Meyer.
Some were upset about his indecision whether to coach the team or not...but certainly nothing to do with his ability.
Quote from: CityLife on November 24, 2013, 10:47:00 PM
He said after the UF fans kind of turned on Meyer after winning 2 titles, some coaches were hesitant about taking the job when Muschamp was hired.
Gator fans acting irrationally? Impossible!
Locally they've been nothing but angels with respect to the employment prospects of their former quarterbacks.
For our Gator members
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On the bright side, I didn't watch the game but the final score is a lot closer than I expected it to be.
Take that Nick Saban! Couldn't write a better ending to a game for a better guy.
Holy crap!!! Auburn beat Bama on a long run back with no time left in regulation!!! Whatta Iron Bowl!!! Looks like we might have a Meyer vs Fisher championship!
I see some FSU fans already saying they wanted Bama to prove something. F**k that. You don't get a platinum ring or 2 national titles for beating Bama. Flags fly forever. I want a 3rd flag flying over Doak.
Quote from: thelakelander on November 30, 2013, 07:27:37 PM
Take that Nick Saban! Couldn't write a better ending to a game for a better guy.
agreed...sad thing is they will probably be ranked #4 tomorrow...and if Auburn and Ohio State lose in their championship games, Bama will still play for the national title
Quote from: thelakelander on November 30, 2013, 06:31:26 PM
On the bright side, I didn't watch the game but the final score is a lot closer than I expected it to be.
well Florida's passing defense was #2 in the country....and hey, they are the only team to hold the Noles under 40 this year!
Five hours and counting...
Are you FSU guys as nervous as Jameis?
Quote from: KenFSU on December 05, 2013, 09:14:37 AM
Five hours and counting...
What's your hunch on how the verdict will go? I'll be very surprised if Winston is found guilty.
If I had to guess, I'd agree that there will be no charges. However, Jameis should stay away from cleat chasers.
^^^Just like Will Smith said once "Girls of the World Ain't Nothing but Trouble".
Quote from: I-10east on December 05, 2013, 09:43:43 AM
^^^Just like Will Smith said once "Girls of the World Ain't Nothing but Trouble".
:D
Winston has his own press conference scheduled immediately afterwards from what I understand.
You'd think his legal team would advise against such a thing if felony charges were handed down.
I've got a conference room at work reserved for 2:00 :)
^^^I admit, the best use of the 'cheesy emoticon' EVER! LMAO
Quote from: I-10east on December 05, 2013, 09:43:43 AM
^^^Just like Will Smith said once "Girls of the World Ain't Nothing but Trouble".
Women are actually great. The world would truly suck without them. Jameis just needs to be a smarter captain. Not all harbors are worth taking your ship into.
Quote from: thelakelander on December 05, 2013, 09:52:26 AM
Women are actually great. The world would truly suck without them.
Don't get me wrong, I love women. I wasn't on some anti-woman thing, just only the gold digger/cleat chaser types.
Quote from: KenFSU on December 05, 2013, 09:46:20 AM
Quote from: I-10east on December 05, 2013, 09:43:43 AM
^^^Just like Will Smith said once "Girls of the World Ain't Nothing but Trouble".
:D
Winston has his own press conference scheduled immediately afterwards from what I understand.
You'd think his legal team would advise against such a thing if felony charges were handed down.
I've got a conference room at work reserved for 2:00 :)
He will be reading a statement prepared by the legal team.
The un-redacted police report has leaked, and it appears favorable for Winston:
QuoteCharges not expected for Jameis Winston: Commentary on the unredacted police report
By Bud Elliott @SBNRecruiting on Dec 5 2013, 10:44a 102
Steve Mitchell-USA TODAY Sports
Based on sources and other information, including the original, unredacted police report, a copy of which Tomahawk Nation has obtained, I am confident that Jameis Winston will not be charged in the investigation of an alleged sexual battery from December 7, 2012.
As I wrote on November 25, State Attorney Willie Meggs said that he would not bring charges unless he has "a reasonable likelihood of conviction at trial."
For sexual battery cases in which consent, and not the existence of a sexual encounter, is in dispute, like this one, credibility of the complainant is perhaps the most important factor for the State Attorney to consider.
The unredacted police report contains at least four different versions of events given to investigators. Two were given by the complainant herself. Two are told by the complainant's friends to the police, as they claim were told to them by the complainant. The complainant's memory of the night in question is incomplete, for a reason that is not clear.
According to the report, the complainant twice described the male as black, with a dark complexion, and hair that needed to be cut. However, the report indicates that she first described the suspect as being 6'2, but less than 24 hours later, claimed that he was 5'9 to 5'11. On January 11, the report indicates that the complainant identified Jameis Winston, who more closely resembles the first description than the second (Winston is 6'4).
The report says that she first described the male who witnessed the sexual encounter in relation to the suspect as being "not as big and having dreads." But in the second interview, the report says that she says the male was "bigger, but not taller" than the suspect.
The complainant maintains in both stories that she had five "vodka drinks." In one version, the complainant mentions taking shots, but that she was told about taking the shots, and does not remember taking them. However, the detective interviewing the complainant noted in the report that the complainant "appeared to be very tired, but not intoxicated." The complainant's family later claimed that the detective told the family that the complainant's blood work results showed that she was not intoxicated, a laboratory finding consistent with the detective's observation.
The complainant is not the one who called police. Instead, her friend did. The CAD notes from the friend's call to police indicate that the complainant claimed she was hit on the head and was blacking out during the incident.
Another friend told police that the complainant told her she was hit on the head at a party and had blacked out when the incident occurred. That is the only mention of a party in the report.
The police also retrieved text messages and phone records from the complainant's phone and cellular provider.
The friend who told the police about the complainant's claim of being hit on the head at a party also seems to be the one who first told the complainant's parents on the night in question, indicating to police that she was sorry for telling the complainant's parents despite the complainant's request not to do so.
Also, 72 minutes after the police were contacted, the complainant received a text from an unknown individual stating "I got spa-2." The complainant immediately replied via text "will you text me the answers pleaseeee." "Spa-2" is not a listed class at Florida State University, but finals were going on during the time period and continuing into the next week, and "Spa-2" could be an abbreviation for a course.
The end of the police report says that the case is being suspended due to a lack of cooperation from the victim -- a claim that the victim's family disputed in a statement, but that if the victim decides to press charges, the case will be pursued.
Given the potential credibility issues presented by the contradicting stories given to police, and the lack of evidence of intoxication or so called "date rape" drugs in the complainant's system to perhaps explain the inconsistencies, the complainant's credibility could be an issue.
And sources indicate those issues, along with a lack of overall evidence, are compelling.
There are other factors pointing to charges not being brought, as well. Winston's attorney has indicated that he has two exculpatory eye-witnesses who gave affidavits to police. Tomahawk Nation has learned that neither witness's DNA was matched to the second DNA sample obtained from the complainant.
Willie Meggs is scheduled to announce his findings at 2 pm Thursday. According to prominent defense attorney Chuck Hobbs, this could indicate that Meggs is unlikely to charge Winston.
"It sends a strong signal that Jameis Winston will not be charged and Mr. Meggs will use the press conference to explain the results of the thorough investigation that his office completed over the past few weeks," Chuck Hobbs, a defense attorney who previously worked for Meggs in the state attorney's office, told Yahoo Sports on Wednesday evening. -- Yahoo
Calls seeking comment from the complainant's attorney were not returned before publishing.
Winston's attorney said Wednesday that he and his client will have a press conference some point after the Willie Meggs press conference. Florida State will fly to Charlotte Thursday night for Saturday's ACC Title Game.
Tomahawk Nation will continue to bring you live coverage of this story throughout the day.
Quote from: thelakelander on December 05, 2013, 09:52:26 AM
Quote from: I-10east on December 05, 2013, 09:43:43 AM
^^^Just like Will Smith said once "Girls of the World Ain't Nothing but Trouble".
Women are actually great. The world would truly suck without them. Jameis just needs to be a smarter captain. Not all harbors are worth taking your ship into.
that why we need to dredge ;)
Quote from: I-10east on December 05, 2013, 09:33:13 AM
Quote from: KenFSU on December 05, 2013, 09:14:37 AM
Five hours and counting...
What's your hunch on how the verdict will go? I'll be very surprised if Winston is found guilty.
Verdict?? Huh? He was never even charged. This is about whether or not the SA will press charges.
At this point, it is looking more likely that the accuser will have charges filed against her for filing a false police report. I'm not sure if it has been reported yet, but I've heard the 2nd DNA test came back (Tuesday I believe) and contradicted her story. Basically, they found 2 different people's DNA's in her underwear. 1 was Jameis and the other was not who she had claimed it was (I believe his roommate).
All signs point to not pressing charges. It will be interesting to see the full story after everything comes out.
So good to know that police cases like this are held with great confidentiality. Somebody must be making a fortune from providing all of these 'leaks' to the media.
If her stories are false, she should be charged, and arrested, along with those providing leaks. Would not be bad if old Willie resigned or retired permanently.
So Jameis isn't getting charged according to Jeff Cameron an ESPN radio guy in Tally who is plugged in...and I've also heard they won't be pressing charges against the girl, though they could if they wanted. One person told me Jameis's family didn't want to press charges. Another said the SA doesn't want to charge her, for fear that it will deter actual rape victims from coming forward in the future.
Good. Hopefully the media can move on now.
Gator fans might want to grab these while they are still available...
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Quote from: CityLife on December 05, 2013, 12:02:09 PM
Verdict?? Huh? He was never even charged. This is about whether or not the SA will press charges.
Verdict
1. the finding of a jury in a matter submitted to their judgement.
2.
any judgement or decision
^That's a great UF shirt. They are available in packs everywhere from Walmart to your local dollar store.
As for this case, it's kind of hard to figure things out when you have multiple men's DNA simultaneously swimming around in your pants. Ladies, use this as a lesson. Downing five vodka drinks in a single night around several beans and weenies is probably a bad idea.
Quote from: thelakelander on December 05, 2013, 02:21:27 PM
As for this case, it's kind of hard to figure things out when you have multiple men's DNA simultaneously swimming around in your pants. Ladies, use this as a lesson. Downing five vodka drinks in a single night around several beans and weenies is probably a bad idea.
She had TWO sets of DNA. One was her boyfriends who the DA said she admitted to having had sex with.
Multiple is more than one. Five vodka drinks is still a bad idea. Final result is national embarrassment and a night that will be forever regretted that could have been avoided by using some common sense.
Quote from: thelakelander on December 05, 2013, 02:44:27 PM
Multiple is more than one. Five vodka drinks is still a bad idea. Final result is national embarrassment and a night that will be forever regretted that could have been avoided by using some common sense.
Because college aged kids are full of common sense!
I spent five years in college in that same exact city and enjoyed myself just as much as any other kid in town. Some how, I (and thousands of other students) avoided getting caught up in a crazy situation like this. Yes, I know a lot more now than I knew when I was 19 but I wasn't a dummy either.
Quote from: thelakelander on December 05, 2013, 03:02:01 PM
I spent five years in college in that same exact city and enjoyed myself just as much as any other kid in town. Some how, I (and thousands of other students) avoided getting caught up in a crazy situation like this. Yes, I know a lot more now than I knew when I was 19 but I wasn't a dummy either.
Then why aren't you admonishing Winston (or men in general) for having sex with a wasted girl? If there wasn't a rape then he's just as guilty of getting himself involved in the craziness as she is.
True. However, I did admonish Winston's activity earlier today before the news came out:
Quote from: thelakelander on December 05, 2013, 09:35:03 AM
If I had to guess, I'd agree that there will be no charges. However, Jameis should stay away from cleat chasers.
Quote from: thelakelander on December 05, 2013, 09:52:26 AM
Quote from: I-10east on December 05, 2013, 09:43:43 AM
^^^Just like Will Smith said once "Girls of the World Ain't Nothing but Trouble".
Women are actually great. The world would truly suck without them. Jameis just needs to be a smarter captain. Not all harbors are worth taking your ship into.
And a blood alcohol content of .04 does not make for a "wasted girl".
It was a few hours later so let's assume it was double .04 still in no way wasted. That is people thinking what they want to think. The same with the statement of the cop warning the girls lawyer about the difficulty of prosecution. Somehow that is spun as intimidation really with her lawyer who by the way already expressed that worry? Her lawyer should be able to have tough conversations. The accuser's fuzzy selective memory seems very convenient in the light of no substance being present to cause such a phenomenon.
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