Offense has got to get it together. Defense is there this year. Good showing though againts the Texans, we kept it competitive.
Unfortunately, don't see an end in sight for the offense. CBS put up an 'info graphic' early in the game. Pretty startling information. Gabbert had no offseason. He has no veteran QB to learn from. Always looks pretty scared to step up in the pocket. First time D. Koetter has worked with a rookie QB. New WR coach. Not much of an O line to help. Wide receivers can't get open. D's pack the box against MJD. There's just SO much going against this years O...
That being said, I think Gabbert is the Jag's QB of the future. I think Lewis (Even though he's stunk lately) and MJD are league stars. And as you pointed out--our D is amazing.
I didn't get to see the game since I was in Atlanta for the weekend but I was able to keep track with the score because of an app on my phone. I was happy to see that we made some touchdowns. I just really want us to win. Offense has got to get better. I hope they take advantage of this bye week and solve this offense problem.
What drives me nuts more than anything is to think if we had an average, mediocre offense we prolly be 5-3 or 4-4. This last place offense is killing us. Imagine if we had just the 20th ranked offense how good our team would be bc of our defense. MAN!!!
Honestly, if we had a middle of the road offense, we seriously might be leading the division. The defense is that good. With an average offense, the defense would look even better, because they wouldn't be put in the horrible spots they have been.
Gabbart appears to be getting worse. He is afraid of being hit, and you can't coach that out of him. Dalton, Newton, and Ponder all look wonderfull. I am sorry, but I really have to question us taking him, and Gene insisting he was the Best QB available after Newton. I hope I am wrong, but this looks bad. You can't say he is showing any signs of improvement. I don't care if we are losing as long as he shows signs of improvement. The Panthers have the same record as us, but it is clear that Newton is improving with each game and putting up big numbers.
^^ DD if you played behind that O-line you'd be afraid also. The other QBs have a better supporting cast, BG has MJD who's facing 9 in the box week in and week out. He has no help. How many TDs have been dropped in the endzone or catchable passes???
Our O line is making the entire team look horriable. Gabbert, MJD and the defense have NO help. Our O-line is helpless. I love our d line this year! They make me proud. But even the guys covering the game made some valid points.
- Gabbert has no help on the Offensive line
- We have a new QB coach and new WR coach
- new QB
- No off season for any of the coaches, WB, or the team to work together
- They also critized Dirk's cocaching style and stated he has NEVER COACHED A ROOKIE QB
That ladies in gentlemen is a recipe for disaster. And in regard to Carolina, they have a better O-line than we do and they have some GREAT receivers. They have a good supporting cast. If Carolina had our defense they would be undefeated right now. Whatever the case, each team has their own issues that need to be addressed.
Quote from: Dapperdan on October 31, 2011, 08:28:12 AM
Gabbart appears to be getting worse. He is afraid of being hit, and you can't coach that out of him. Dalton, Newton, and Ponder all look wonderfull. I am sorry, but I really have to question us taking him, and Gene insisting he was the Best QB available after Newton. I hope I am wrong, but this looks bad. You can't say he is showing any signs of improvement. I don't care if we are losing as long as he shows signs of improvement. The Panthers have the same record as us, but it is clear that Newton is improving with each game and putting up big numbers.
Cam would have looked just like Gabbert if we drafted him. The QB spot was just ONE of the many issues on our O-line. We have no supporting cast for any QB. Del Rio has made this team one dimensional and its gonna take more than a draft or two to fix it.
Our WR's are the weakest link on the team IMO. There were times yesterday when our O-Line were looking like a pro bowl line with Gabbert having plenty of time to throw the ball; Only one problem, our WR's suck, and they can't get open to save their lives. Gabbert was a lil' inaccurate at times, but he's a rookie, and that's to be expected with an inconsistent O Line. Lets check out the NFL's other rookie QB's WR's and compare to the Jags....
Does these rookie QB's have better WR's than Blaine Gabbert has to work with?
Christian Ponder. Yes.
Tim Tebow. Yes.
Andy Dalton. Considerably better WR's, and Gabbert still almost won vs. the Bengals.
Cam Newton. None of the Jags WR's can sniff S. Smith's jockstrap; Gabbert still had a chance to win vs. the Panthers.
(Whenever you start off by typing, "I'm not trying to make any excuses here...." you're really trying to make an excuse, so.....)
I'm not trying to make any excuses for our offense, but I'm noticing a lot of things that aren't directly related to Gabbert that really concern me. One of the major things are inconsistency of the O-Line. We might have a better chance if we lined up the D-Line (yeah, the 175lbs of drum-beating mayhem) to protect Gabbert - at least these guys have practiced together for the entire season.
Injuries are really hurting us on the offense. Our top draft picks are not even on the field and their replacements are moving in and out. You do realize that the line makes a bunch of pre-snap adjustments, right? Well, if the RG misses his, then there's going to be someone in the backfield - and that's what I see happening. Sometimes the guys just get beat, but more often than not, I see them beating themselves. 3 times I saw Whimper block the end inside intentionally. Twice we ran a counter play right into the end and once was a 3-step drop that almost got Gabbet killed. When you block your assignment INTO the play, I fall back on, "Look chief, you're not helpin' us. And if you're not helpin' us, I guess you're hurtin' us. We don't need anymore hurt!" I won't even mention the times that our guards missed a man because they double-teamed a guy to the left or right.
Dropped passes are really starting to become a problem. I get that Gabbert wasn't on point with all of his throws, but c'mon guys, if it hits you in the hands, you've gotta make the catch. I was yelling at the screen early and often, and when I heard the announcers blast Gabbert for only being 2-7 early on, I had to point out to my audience, my son & 2 dogs, that he would have been 5-7 if the recievers could catch. Marcedes Lewis - that was in your hands, wtf is your problem? Mike Thomas, it was behind your head, but you had 2 hands on it - help your QB out. MSW, way to NOT make a play on the ball. If you had actually ran the hook route, you know, run fast, stop on a dime and cut back, instead of jog quickly, turn around awkwardly and let the DB come over your back to make a play on a ball that you should have caught.
Our defense played well for 2 1/2 quarters, but.... I don't know if it was because it was a short week or if they were just tired from being on the field all day, but by the end of the game they were getting gashed by Foster. Rashean Mathis can't run with Jacoby, although he handled Walter fairly well. We were also helped out by 6-7 Schaub overthrows on plays where we were beaten. I love the defensive rugby line we had on the fumble recovery. The Axemen would have been proud.
All in all, it's about what I expected, but I really have to agree that Gabbert seems to be regressing - he still throws a good ball, but when things break down (and they're breaking down quickly) he needs to diagnose the scenario better. I think the announces said that he needs to use his checkdowns more, but I haven't seen it. IMO, we need to keep him under center and run more slants and outs. He can make those throws, they're quick outs so he shouldn't get hit as much and mix in the playaction for the deep ball. Let Thomas use his 4.4 speed and get down the sideline.
One more note: What in the hell is wrong with Deji Karim? I've mentioned this in other posts, but he is still tiptoeing, both on kickoffs and on running plays. There is no explosiveness! While you're watching replays, keep an eye on his feet - he's shuffling around in the backfield and not committing, and by then, he has hands on him so he just kind of falls down. It's not the one-cut and go that we saw last year.
A big problem with the offense is that they are totally uninspired. The defense, while a better unit, plays with passion. There is none of that on the offensive side of the ball. That falls on Koetter and Del Rio. Yeah, the o-line has problems, but every team has their problems.
I'm sick of Koetter treating Gabbert like a baby, all the other rookies are being thrown into full playbooks, and they are being asked to perform. I firmly believe Gabbert could do the same, but if you treat him like a child, don't get mad if he doesn't feel more pressure to step up. It's the mentality of the coaches. And I don't mean that Gabbert doesn't expect more of himself, but if he keeps getting this pass & treatment by the coaches, it's just natural to progress slower.
One of the announcers quoted Koetter in regards to having a rookie quarterback something to the effect of "its our job not to lose the game." The hell with that, throw that man out there and push him to succeed and catch up to the speed of the game faster.
Cam, Andy, & Christian are all doing it, and Blaine can too.
Quote from: downtownjag on October 31, 2011, 10:19:42 AM
A big problem with the offense is that they are totally uninspired. The defense, while a better unit, plays with passion. There is none of that on the offensive side of the ball. That falls on Koetter and Del Rio. Yeah, the o-line has problems, but every team has their problems.
I'm sick of Koetter treating Gabbert like a baby, all the other rookies are being thrown into full playbooks, and they are being asked to perform. I firmly believe Gabbert could do the same, but if you treat him like a child, don't get mad if he doesn't feel more pressure to step up. It's the mentality of the coaches. And I don't mean that Gabbert doesn't expect more of himself, but if he keeps getting this pass & treatment by the coaches, it's just natural to progress slower.
One of the announcers quoted Koetter in regards to having a rookie quarterback something to the effect of "its our job not to lose the game." The hell with that, throw that man out there and push him to succeed and catch up to the speed of the game faster.
Cam, Andy, & Christian are all doing it, and Blaine can too.
I agree. Coaching is a huge issue. When they mentioned that Dirk has NEVER coached a Rookie QB, its obvious. They even stated he should have been on the sideline and NOT up in the booth. He should have been down there coaching Blaine and letting him know why he was calling certain plays, etc etc. Our coaching staff is horriable. And our poor defense was exhausted by the end of the game. I dont talk down on them at all because they are the only unit producing this season. If it wasnt for them, the score would have been 24-0. Del Rio has made this team one dimensional. Run run run run...and when it doesnt work, keep running. Our O-line was crappy before Gabbert got here, so I kinda wish people would lay off him. He was drafted into this hot mess.
Guys, Dirk is the OC, not the QB coach.
If you want to place blame with the playcalling, the he's your guy. If you want to blame someone for not coaching up Gabbert....
QuoteMike Sheppard was named quarterbacks coach for the Jaguars on February 14, 2011. Sheppard has 36 years of coaching experience including 17 in the NFL and 19 at the collegiate level. His resume includes two head coaching positions in college (Long Beach State and New Mexico), as well as NFL offensive coordinator duties at San Diego (1997-98), Buffalo (2001) and New Orleans (2005).
Previously Sheppard served four seasons (2007-10) as wide receivers coach with the Cincinnati Bengals. In 2009 he oversaw the return to Pro Bowl form of Chad Ochocinco, the Bengals’ all-time receiving leader. Ochocinco led the team in receptions (72), receiving yards (1,047) and touchdowns (nine) and he made his sixth career appearance in the Pro Bowl.
Sheppard spent four seasons (2002-05) with the New Orleans Saints before joining the Bengals. As quarterbacks coach his first three years with the Saints, he worked to develop Aaron Brooks, who threw for 72 touchdowns and only 39 interceptions during those three seasons. Sheppard was promoted to offensive coordinator for 2005, the last season for head coach Jim Haslett.
After entering the NFL in 1993 as tight ends coach with the Cleveland Browns, Sheppard was Browns wide receivers coach in 1994-95. He spent the 1996 season as wide receivers coach with Baltimore where he had his first NFL experience as a play-caller, as he was given the duty by head coach Ted Marchibroda, and the Ravens offense finished third in the NFL in net yards as well as second in passing yards.
Sheppard has also spent time as offensive coordinator for San Diego (1997-98), quarterbacks coach for Seattle (1999-2000) and offensive coordinator for Buffalo (2001).
A native of Tulsa, Okla., Sheppard played wide receiver at Cal Lutheran (1969-72), and he began his coaching career at Cal Lutheran in 1974. He holds a bachelor’s degree from Cal Lutheran and a master’s degree from Brigham Young.
Sheppard was born Oct. 29, 1951. He and his wife, Cathie, have four children â€" Chrissi, Brian, Shelby and Macall â€" and two grandchildren, Christian and Samantha.
COACHING BACKGROUND
California Lutheran 1974-76, Brigham Young 1977-78, U.S. International 1979, Idaho State 1980-81, Long Beach State 1982, Kansas 1983, Long Beach State (head coach) 1984-86, New Mexico (head coach) 1987-91, California 1992, Cleveland Browns 1993-95, Baltimore Ravens 1996, San Diego Chargers 1997-98, Seattle Seahawks 1999-2000, Buffalo Bills 2001, New Orleans Saints 2002-05, Cincinnati Bengals 2007-10, Jacksonville Jaguars 2011.[/quote}
Remember, the Vikes, and Panthers both have considerably better WR's than the Jags and all three team's records are just 2-6. So it's not like Gabbert is being left behind in the dust or something. Andy Dalton is the only winning rookie QB.
Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on October 31, 2011, 10:41:38 AM
Guys, Dirk is the OC, not the QB coach.
If you want to place blame with the playcalling, the he's your guy. If you want to blame someone for not coaching up Gabbert....
QuoteMike Sheppard was named quarterbacks coach for the Jaguars on February 14, 2011. Sheppard has 36 years of coaching experience including 17 in the NFL and 19 at the collegiate level. His resume includes two head coaching positions in college (Long Beach State and New Mexico), as well as NFL offensive coordinator duties at San Diego (1997-98), Buffalo (2001) and New Orleans (2005).
Previously Sheppard served four seasons (2007-10) as wide receivers coach with the Cincinnati Bengals. In 2009 he oversaw the return to Pro Bowl form of Chad Ochocinco, the Bengals’ all-time receiving leader. Ochocinco led the team in receptions (72), receiving yards (1,047) and touchdowns (nine) and he made his sixth career appearance in the Pro Bowl.
Sheppard spent four seasons (2002-05) with the New Orleans Saints before joining the Bengals. As quarterbacks coach his first three years with the Saints, he worked to develop Aaron Brooks, who threw for 72 touchdowns and only 39 interceptions during those three seasons. Sheppard was promoted to offensive coordinator for 2005, the last season for head coach Jim Haslett.
After entering the NFL in 1993 as tight ends coach with the Cleveland Browns, Sheppard was Browns wide receivers coach in 1994-95. He spent the 1996 season as wide receivers coach with Baltimore where he had his first NFL experience as a play-caller, as he was given the duty by head coach Ted Marchibroda, and the Ravens offense finished third in the NFL in net yards as well as second in passing yards.
Sheppard has also spent time as offensive coordinator for San Diego (1997-98), quarterbacks coach for Seattle (1999-2000) and offensive coordinator for Buffalo (2001).
A native of Tulsa, Okla., Sheppard played wide receiver at Cal Lutheran (1969-72), and he began his coaching career at Cal Lutheran in 1974. He holds a bachelor’s degree from Cal Lutheran and a master’s degree from Brigham Young.
Sheppard was born Oct. 29, 1951. He and his wife, Cathie, have four children â€" Chrissi, Brian, Shelby and Macall â€" and two grandchildren, Christian and Samantha.
COACHING BACKGROUND
California Lutheran 1974-76, Brigham Young 1977-78, U.S. International 1979, Idaho State 1980-81, Long Beach State 1982, Kansas 1983, Long Beach State (head coach) 1984-86, New Mexico (head coach) 1987-91, California 1992, Cleveland Browns 1993-95, Baltimore Ravens 1996, San Diego Chargers 1997-98, Seattle Seahawks 1999-2000, Buffalo Bills 2001, New Orleans Saints 2002-05, Cincinnati Bengals 2007-10, Jacksonville Jaguars 2011.[/quote}
The point that was being made was this. Dirk sits in the booth and calls plays to the QB coach.. The QB communicates the plays to Blaine. They ALL should be on the sideline's helping him. Our cocaching staff is soft and they have no idea what they are doing. They are all STUPID and Im personally sick of it. Im tired of this team being ran in the ground... No time to point blame, its all of them.
Ponder is 1-0 as a starter.
^^^Actually he's .500 (1-1) as a starter. He started in the week 7 loss vs the Packers.
Standing Corrected. :D
We have the same receivers from last year and we were 8-8. The O line is nearly identical. Garrard, Gabbart is the only differnce. I am sorry, but I am placing alot of the blame on him. Until he steps up, it is going to be this way.
To BG credit he has faced some of the toughest defenses. Would our recievers start on another NFL team, maybe Thomas in the slot? The rest not to sure. Will they be able to beat the Colts? Gonna be pretty bad in Jag land if you cant be the Manningless Colts.
Dapper, this year, do you think that the WR's are getting open? Even the broadcasters were harping on the lack of separation from the receivers. For whatever reason, this year Lewis has gotten considerably worse IMO; He needs to have more HEAT on him, instead of the dumb Rashean flak that many misinformed Jags fans bask in. Garrard was more mobile, I'll give you that, but Gabbert is more of a pocket passer, so there's not much that can be done with that.
Quote from: Dapperdan on October 31, 2011, 11:09:03 AM
We have the same receivers from last year and we were 8-8. The O line is nearly identical. Garrard, Gabbart is the only differnce. I am sorry, but I am placing alot of the blame on him. Until he steps up, it is going to be this way.
With a lock out and he was just thrown out there to face some of the NFLs top defenses with receivers he had no time to work with you cant be serious. DG had alteast two yrs or more with these guys . Plus a full off season. I don't need to remind you BG is a rookie RIGHT?
^^^+1
Lot's of excuses rolling for BG. Lot's of QB's are playing behind a terrible OL and still make plays. Big Ben takes more sacks than just about anyone and still throws for 350 yards a game. Also, BG is doing his fair share in making the OL look bad. When Mornoe blocks a guy outside and way into the backfield - STEP UP AND MAKE A THROW! Move up in the pocket. Stop prematurely scrambling from phantom pressure!!!!!
It's obvious that the WR corps aren't playing well.... but they were a 100 times better last season playing with Dave so it's unfair to put it all on them.
Did anyone else catch the commentary about BG being 'tentative' in the pocket? It's not just the announcers from yesterday's game... it's Paul K at ESPN - Jeff Lageman - The MNF crew - just about everyone & anyone who has witnessed him play is calling him a coward.
Even Blaine will tell you that the talk is cheap and the excuses aren't justified.
Quote from: Keith-N-Jax on October 31, 2011, 11:19:46 AM
Quote from: Dapperdan on October 31, 2011, 11:09:03 AM
We have the same receivers from last year and we were 8-8. The O line is nearly identical. Garrard, Gabbart is the only differnce. I am sorry, but I am placing alot of the blame on him. Until he steps up, it is going to be this way.
With a lock out and he was just thrown out there to face some of the NFLs top defenses with receivers he had no time to work with you cant be serious. DG had alteast two yrs or more with these guys . Plus a full off season. I don't need to remind you BG is a rookie RIGHT?
And not to mention David had been on the team since 2001.
Quote from: Dapperdan on October 31, 2011, 11:09:03 AM
We have the same receivers from last year and we were 8-8. The O line is nearly identical. Garrard, Gabbart is the only differnce. I am sorry, but I am placing alot of the blame on him. Until he steps up, it is going to be this way.
sorry DD but out O-line is not indentical. The are several of our starters from last year are on IR, andwe had to cut one at the beginning of traning camp because he was out of shape. Our O-line is very spotty this year.
Quote from: Dapperdan on October 31, 2011, 11:09:03 AM
We have the same receivers from last year and we were 8-8. The O line is nearly identical. Garrard, Gabbart is the only differnce. I am sorry, but I am placing alot of the blame on him. Until he steps up, it is going to be this way.
I can't find a stat for dropped passes v/s bad throws v/s passes defensed, but through last week, the completion %s for our top 4 recievers:
Jason Hill 47%, Mike Thomas 51%, Jarett Dillard 56%, Marcedes Lewis 41%
We're a team that throws the ball only 25-30 times a game which means we're averaging only 15ish completions per game. I know that stats can be twisted, but seriously, most of our receivers catching the ball around 50% is cause for concern. There's got to be a reason for it.
Quote from: duvaldude08 on October 31, 2011, 11:37:55 AM
Quote from: Dapperdan on October 31, 2011, 11:09:03 AM
We have the same receivers from last year and we were 8-8. The O line is nearly identical. Garrard, Gabbart is the only differnce. I am sorry, but I am placing alot of the blame on him. Until he steps up, it is going to be this way.
sorry DD but out O-line is not indentical. The are several of our starters from last year are on IR, andwe had to cut one at the beginning of traning camp because he was out of shape. Our O-line is very spotty this year.
Like who? Britton is the only OL really hurt right now. Rackley is a new addition and playing piss poor. Cameron Bradfield is another new addition and playing well.
^^^Seriously Shwaz, you're comp
Quote from: Shwaz on October 31, 2011, 11:32:13 AM
Lot's of excuses rolling for BG. Lot's of QB's are playing behind a terrible OL and still make plays. Big Ben takes more sacks than just about anyone and still throws for 350 yards a game. Also, BG is doing his fair share in making the OL look bad. When Mornoe blocks a guy outside and way into the backfield - STEP UP AND MAKE A THROW! Move up in the pocket. Stop prematurely scrambling from phantom pressure!!!!!
It's obvious that the WR corps aren't playing well.... but they were a 100 times better last season playing with Dave so it's unfair to put it all on them.
Did anyone else catch the commentary about BG being 'tentative' in the pocket? It's not just the announcers from yesterday's game... it's Paul K at ESPN - Jeff Lageman - The MNF crew - just about everyone & anyone who has witnessed him play is calling him a coward.
Even Blaine will tell you that the talk is cheap and the excuses aren't justified.
Seriously Shwaz, you're comparing Big Ben, a veteran QB who has won the freakin' SB, to a rookie QB? If Blaine had 'halfway decent' WR's(which we don't have) then your Blaine bashing would be justified; It's hard to blame a rookie QB that doesn't have a decent supporting cast (besides MJD). I would have 'phantom pressure' too if I was behind an inconsistent O-line, along with some awful receivers to boot.
Quote from: Shwaz on October 31, 2011, 11:40:29 AM
Quote from: duvaldude08 on October 31, 2011, 11:37:55 AM
Quote from: Dapperdan on October 31, 2011, 11:09:03 AM
We have the same receivers from last year and we were 8-8. The O line is nearly identical. Garrard, Gabbart is the only differnce. I am sorry, but I am placing alot of the blame on him. Until he steps up, it is going to be this way.
sorry DD but out O-line is not indentical. The are several of our starters from last year are on IR, andwe had to cut one at the beginning of traning camp because he was out of shape. Our O-line is very spotty this year.
Like who? Britton is the only OL really hurt right now. Rackley is a new addition and playing piss poor. Cameron Bradfield is another new addition and playing well.
Zach Miller is on IR also. And we to cut one of our best players before the season even started. No need to defend, this entire O-line is trash.
How far did Big Ben go in his rookie season?
Yes he has alot to learn, but I see more blame on him which is unfair. Big Ben really, he certainly has an outstanding cast around him also doesn't he. What does BG have, MJD? Once again David has worked with these guys for a number of years. Dropping TD passes doesn't help either help either. These same so called critics criticized David as well.
Quote from: duvaldude08 on October 31, 2011, 11:42:29 AM
Quote from: Shwaz on October 31, 2011, 11:40:29 AM
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Quote from: Dapperdan on October 31, 2011, 11:09:03 AM
We have the same receivers from last year and we were 8-8. The O line is nearly identical. Garrard, Gabbart is the only differnce. I am sorry, but I am placing alot of the blame on him. Until he steps up, it is going to be this way.
sorry DD but out O-line is not indentical. The are several of our starters from last year are on IR, andwe had to cut one at the beginning of traning camp because he was out of shape. Our O-line is very spotty this year.
Like who? Britton is the only OL really hurt right now. Rackley is a new addition and playing piss poor. Cameron Bradfield is another new addition and playing well.
Zach Miller is on IR also. And we to cut one of our best players before the season even started. No need to defend, this entire O-line is trash.
Last I checked Miller was a pass catching TE. If you listen the football knowledgeable - homer & national - they'll tell you there are some good players on the OL. Meester - Uwnari - Monroe have all played well - Bradfield did spectacular when he was called in a few weeks ago.
Big Ben doesnt have a coach playing not to lose either. How long have we watch Del Rio try nurse a 6 point lead?
Quote from: Shwaz on October 31, 2011, 11:42:33 AM
How far did Big Ben go in his rookie season?
I believe this is part of our problem. Every teams situation is different. So lets stop comparing Blaine/Jags to other teams. For example, Carolina O-line is is doing great, however they have the same record as we do. WHy?? Because they are other issues. Every team has different situations. Ours is bad coaching and a terriable O-line PERIOD
Quote from: Keith-N-Jax on October 31, 2011, 11:44:01 AM
These same so called critics criticized David as well.
+1000
Quote from: Keith-N-Jax on October 31, 2011, 11:44:01 AM
Yes he has alot to learn, but I see more blame on him which is unfair. Big Ben really, he certainly has an outstanding cast around him also doesn't he. What does BG have, MJD? Once again David has worked with these guys for a number of years. Dropping TD passes doesn't help either help either. These same so called critics criticized David as well.
What blame - everything I've read here has the the fingers pointed at just about everyone else.
I fully understand that he's a rookie without the best OL in the game and sub par weapons around him... but the coddling here is just ludicrous.
Quote from: Shwaz on October 31, 2011, 11:45:04 AM
Quote from: duvaldude08 on October 31, 2011, 11:42:29 AM
Quote from: Shwaz on October 31, 2011, 11:40:29 AM
Quote from: duvaldude08 on October 31, 2011, 11:37:55 AM
Quote from: Dapperdan on October 31, 2011, 11:09:03 AM
We have the same receivers from last year and we were 8-8. The O line is nearly identical. Garrard, Gabbart is the only differnce. I am sorry, but I am placing alot of the blame on him. Until he steps up, it is going to be this way.
sorry DD but out O-line is not indentical. The are several of our starters from last year are on IR, andwe had to cut one at the beginning of traning camp because he was out of shape. Our O-line is very spotty this year.
Like who? Britton is the only OL really hurt right now. Rackley is a new addition and playing piss poor. Cameron Bradfield is another new addition and playing well.
Zach Miller is on IR also. And we to cut one of our best players before the season even started. No need to defend, this entire O-line is trash.
Last I checked Miller was a pass catching TE. If you listen the football knowledgeable - homer & national - they'll tell you there are some good players on the OL. Meester - Uwnari - Monroe have all played well - Bradfield did spectacular when he was called in a few weeks ago.
And we are still losing. So all of that rings hollow at this point. Hell MJD and Mercedes are good players as well. So does it make it any better that we have an O-line of good players that are still losing??
Quote from: Shwaz on October 31, 2011, 11:51:03 AM
What blame - everything I've read here has the the fingers pointed at just about everyone else.
I fully understand that he's a rookie without the best OL in the game and sub par weapons around him... but the coddling here is just ludicrous.
see:
QuoteAll in all, it's about what I expected, but I really have to agree that Gabbert seems to be regressing - he still throws a good ball, but when things break down (and they're breaking down quickly) he needs to diagnose the scenario better. I think the announces said that he needs to use his checkdowns more, but I haven't seen it. IMO, we need to keep him under center and run more slants and outs. He can make those throws, they're quick outs so he shouldn't get hit as much and mix in the playaction for the deep ball. Let Thomas use his 4.4 speed and get down the sideline.
I'm pointing fingers in all directions. He's making rookie mistakes, but the team around him isn't really helping matters.
Quote from: duvaldude08 on October 31, 2011, 11:55:35 AM
And we are still losing. So all of that rings hollow at this point. Hell MJD and Mercedes are good players as well. So does it make it any better that we have an O-line of good players that are still losing??
Lewis has played horribly. He doesn't deserve anything but blame. How many TD passes has he dropped now? 3 by my count.
Everyone on here knows Im the most passionate Jags fan out there. But right about now, I have stepped over to the dark side with Keith (LOL). No more time for excuses for anyone, this O-line sucks. I will not say this team sucks, because our defense brings their lunch to work every game. There is a long list of reasons that are the way we are, and the number one item is the coaching and the list goes on. Unless there is a mid season miracle, this season is a wrap as of yesterday.
Well I did mention offense(includes everybody) in my opening statement, but I will say all of the dropped catchable passes, some that were TDs is not helping the rookies confidence either. Not sure why these guys cant seem to catch all of a sudden. Its too bad DG couldn't have finished out this season. BG seems shell shocked now, hope he can improve. Really liking the defense this yr.
Quote from: Keith-N-Jax on October 31, 2011, 12:00:39 PM
Well I did mention offense(includes everybody) in my opening statement, but I will say all of the dropped catchable passes, some that were TDs is not helping the rookies confidence either. Not sure why these guys cant seem to catch all of a sudden. Its too bad DG couldn't have finished out this season. BG seems shell shocked now, hope he can improve. Really liking the defense this yr.
Gabbert looks scared as hell. We have faced some monster defenses this year. He should not be out there, period! DG should have played this season, although the back issue would have caused him to go out anyways. I did not like DG as a QB, but it would have made since to play him this year. Given our schedule and Gabbert developmental needs, it would have been the right decison.
Quote from: Shwaz on October 31, 2011, 11:42:33 AM
How far did Big Ben go in his rookie season?
Roethlisberger had Jerome Bettis/Willie Parker in the backfield his rookie year and had Hines Ward/Plaxico Burress/Antwan Randle-El to throw to. Not to mention he had probably the best offensive line in football blocking for him. Never has a rookie QB had a more ideal situation to step into.
Quote from: duvaldude08 on October 31, 2011, 11:58:55 AM
Everyone on here knows Im the most passionate Jags fan out there. But right about now, I have stepped over to the dark side with Keith (LOL). No more time for excuses for anyone, this O-line sucks. I will not say this team sucks, because our defense brings their lunch to work every game. There is a long list of reasons that are the way we are, and the number one item is the coaching and the list goes on. Unless there is a mid season miracle, this season is a wrap as of yesterday.
What do you mean Darkside. :) ??, Really I think the season was over when they cut DG IMO, I think we would have won the division, especially with this defense, but DG was hurt, so maybe not. It will be interesting to see what happens in the off season. I wonder what our finally record will be?
Quote from: duvaldude08 on October 31, 2011, 12:03:21 PM
Gabbert looks scared as hell. We have faced some monster defenses this year. He should not be out there, period! DG should have played this season, although the back issue would have caused him to go out anyways. I did not like DG as a QB, but it would have made since to play him this year. Given our schedule and Gabbert developmental needs, it would have been the right decison.
How can you play him with a bad back?
Quote from: Keith-N-Jax on October 31, 2011, 12:00:39 PM
Well I did mention offense(includes everybody) in my opening statement, but I will say all of the dropped catchable passes, some that were TDs is not helping the rookies confidence either. Not sure why these guys cant seem to catch all of a sudden. Its too bad DG couldn't have finished out this season. BG seems shell shocked now, hope he can improve. Really liking the defense this yr.
Say what you will about DG, but fact of the matter is, even if he was still on the team, he still wouldn't be playing. There's a little thing like back surgery that would have prevented that from happening.
Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on October 31, 2011, 11:56:24 AM
Quote from: Shwaz on October 31, 2011, 11:51:03 AM
What blame - everything I've read here has the the fingers pointed at just about everyone else.
I fully understand that he's a rookie without the best OL in the game and sub par weapons around him... but the coddling here is just ludicrous.
see: QuoteAll in all, it's about what I expected, but I really have to agree that Gabbert seems to be regressing - he still throws a good ball, but when things break down (and they're breaking down quickly) he needs to diagnose the scenario better. I think the announces said that he needs to use his checkdowns more, but I haven't seen it. IMO, we need to keep him under center and run more slants and outs. He can make those throws, they're quick outs so he shouldn't get hit as much and mix in the playaction for the deep ball. Let Thomas use his 4.4 speed and get down the sideline.
I'm pointing fingers in all directions. He's making rookie mistakes, but the team around him isn't really helping matters.
+++ 2 million ,, your right Lewis dropped 3 TDs that hit him right in the hands, Bengals, Saints, Ravens. I watched all three from section 103. Lewis couldn't catch a turtle with a broke leg right about now. :)
Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on October 31, 2011, 12:09:07 PM
Quote from: Keith-N-Jax on October 31, 2011, 12:00:39 PM
Well I did mention offense(includes everybody) in my opening statement, but I will say all of the dropped catchable passes, some that were TDs is not helping the rookies confidence either. Not sure why these guys cant seem to catch all of a sudden. Its too bad DG couldn't have finished out this season. BG seems shell shocked now, hope he can improve. Really liking the defense this yr.
Say what you will about DG, but fact of the matter is, even if he was still on the team, he still wouldn't be playing. There's a little thing like back surgery that would have prevented that from happening.
Yes I mentioned that in another post.
Quote from: Keith-N-Jax on October 31, 2011, 12:11:04 PM
+++ 2 million ,, your right Lewis dropped 3 TDs that hit him right in the hands, Bengals, Saints, Ravens. I watched all three from section 103. Lewis couldn't catch a turtle with a broke leg right about now. :)
Not if it were thrown to him..... ;D
Quote from: copperfiend on October 31, 2011, 12:08:10 PM
Quote from: duvaldude08 on October 31, 2011, 12:03:21 PM
Gabbert looks scared as hell. We have faced some monster defenses this year. He should not be out there, period! DG should have played this season, although the back issue would have caused him to go out anyways. I did not like DG as a QB, but it would have made since to play him this year. Given our schedule and Gabbert developmental needs, it would have been the right decison.
How can you play him with a bad back?
Umm I did say that the back issue would have caused him to go out AKA not play??
On a positive note what a heck of a play by Sessions, Roth, Potroast, and Sessions again, gotta love it. Go D!!!
Quote from: copperfiend on October 31, 2011, 12:05:26 PM
Quote from: Shwaz on October 31, 2011, 11:42:33 AM
How far did Big Ben go in his rookie season?
Roethlisberger had Jerome Bettis/Willie Parker in the backfield his rookie year and had Hines Ward/Plaxico Burress/Antwan Randle-El to throw to. Not to mention he had probably the best offensive line in football blocking for him. Never has a rookie QB had a more ideal situation to step into.
I think we all know it's not the most weapon loaded team in the league... but we do have some. I'm not looking for Big Ben magic just maybe not dead last in every category for passing.
Quote from: duvaldude08 on October 31, 2011, 12:17:43 PM
Quote from: copperfiend on October 31, 2011, 12:08:10 PM
Quote from: duvaldude08 on October 31, 2011, 12:03:21 PM
Gabbert looks scared as hell. We have faced some monster defenses this year. He should not be out there, period! DG should have played this season, although the back issue would have caused him to go out anyways. I did not like DG as a QB, but it would have made since to play him this year. Given our schedule and Gabbert developmental needs, it would have been the right decison.
How can you play him with a bad back?
Umm I did say that the back issue would have caused him to go out AKA not play??
Then what would have been the right decision you mentioned?
Quote from: Shwaz on October 31, 2011, 12:50:37 PM
I think we all know it's not the most weapon loaded team in the league... but we do have some. I'm not looking for Big Ben magic just maybe not dead last in every category for passing.
For the sake of argument:
No. Age Pos G GS QBrec Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD TD% Int Int% Lng Y/A AY/A Y/C Y/G Rate Sk Yds NY/A ANY/A
18 Manning 22 QB 16 16 3-13-0 326 575 56.7 3739 26 4.5 28 4.9 78 6.5 5.2 11.5 233.7 71.2 22 109 6.1 4.8
He also had an elite RB - Marshall Faulk, but he had something that Gabbert doesn't - one Marvin Harrison.
Quote from: Keith-N-Jax on October 31, 2011, 12:43:06 PM
On a positive note what a heck of a play by Sessions, Roth, Potroast, and Sessions again, gotta love it. Go D!!!
Yess I went Banana's over that play! that really showed how improved our Big D is. I will say this much, this season has still been very entertaining. A few flashes of brilliance from Gabbert, our Big-D consistently putting on a good show and that keeps me watching. There are some other teams out there whose games are not so entertaining. (aka the Colts and the Dolphins games have been COMPLETELY boring)
Quote from: copperfiend on October 31, 2011, 12:54:44 PM
Quote from: duvaldude08 on October 31, 2011, 12:17:43 PM
Quote from: copperfiend on October 31, 2011, 12:08:10 PM
Quote from: duvaldude08 on October 31, 2011, 12:03:21 PM
Gabbert looks scared as hell. We have faced some monster defenses this year. He should not be out there, period! DG should have played this season, although the back issue would have caused him to go out anyways. I did not like DG as a QB, but it would have made since to play him this year. Given our schedule and Gabbert developmental needs, it would have been the right decison.
How can you play him with a bad back?
Umm I did say that the back issue would have caused him to go out AKA not play??
Then what would have been the right decision you mentioned?
If you would been the right decision GIVEN he didnt start having back issues. ( why am I explaining this?)
Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on October 31, 2011, 01:04:22 PM
Quote from: Shwaz on October 31, 2011, 12:50:37 PM
I think we all know it's not the most weapon loaded team in the league... but we do have some. I'm not looking for Big Ben magic just maybe not dead last in every category for passing.
For the sake of argument:
No. Age Pos G GS QBrec Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD TD% Int Int% Lng Y/A AY/A Y/C Y/G Rate Sk Yds NY/A ANY/A
18 Manning 22 QB 16 16 3-13-0 326 575 56.7 3739 26 4.5 28 4.9 78 6.5 5.2 11.5 233.7 71.2 22 109 6.1 4.8
He also had an elite RB - Marshall Faulk, but he had something that Gabbert doesn't - one Marvin Harrison.
I wish I could understand what that is saying. LMAO all those numbers and letters are hurting my eyes :o
I largely agree with most of what you guys are saying, but I also think it's worth reinforcing the fact that this team has honestly kept some of these games closer than they had any right being, and is very much a work in progress. Three biggest problems are obviously 1) Coaching, 2) the offensive line, and 3) constant missed opportunities (repeated dropped balls by receivers, red zone futility, fumbles, constant burnt time outs due to miscommunication, the now-comical weekly penalty for too many players on the field, etc.
If this team could just find a way to tighten the strings a bit (which would almost have to necessitate a new head coach), a lot of these problems might be correctable.
I think BG has a ton of potential, I just hope he doesn't fall victim to the Kwayme Brown/Darko Milicic curse of too much pressure too soon permanently destroying a player's confidence.
On the bright side, he's still having a better season than Tim Tebow :D
Quote from: KenFSU on October 31, 2011, 01:25:37 PM
I largely agree with most of what you guys are saying, but I also think it's worth reinforcing the fact that this team has honestly kept some of these games closer than they had any right being, and is very much a work in progress. Three biggest problems are obviously 1) Coaching, 2) the offensive line, and 3) constant missed opportunities (repeated dropped balls by receivers, red zone futility, fumbles, constant burnt time outs due to miscommunication, the now-comical weekly penalty for too many players on the field, etc.
If this team could just find a way to tighten the strings a bit (which would almost have to necessitate a new head coach), a lot of these problems might be correctable.
I think BG has a ton of potential, I just hope he doesn't fall victim to the Kwayme Brown/Darko Milicic curse of too much pressure too soon permanently destroying a player's confidence.
On the bright side, he's still having a better season than Tim Tebow :D
I agree. We actually should be 4-4 right now. Weve made ALOT of mistakes that are just un-excusable. Im not too worried about Gabbert. I just want a QB that is servicable ( kinda like big ben) and a balanced and efficent offensive line. With the D-line we have now, we could go a long way with a medicore-Okay offense.
Ps. Draft Tebow! Draft Tebow! If he caved playing that much against the Lions, he would have been laid out on the field with our schedule
Careful what you say DD^^ when I think of servicable I think of Garrad not Big Ben, were hoping Gabbert is more like Brady or P.Manning or Rogers for that matter.
Quote from: KenFSU on October 31, 2011, 01:25:37 PM
On the bright side, he's still having a better season than Tim Tebow :D
What? You didn't read anything like this about Gabbert in the FTU? (quotes excerpted, link follows)
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- If you must hit bottom before you can appreciate the ride to the top, then this game put Tebow halfway there. Tebow wasn't nearly as wild as he was for 3 1/2 quarters last week in Miami, but a missed target is a missed target.
- The Lions are 6-2 with a proven franchise quarterback. The Broncos are 2-5 with serious questions about their quarterback.
- Still, if the Tebow Train has not derailed after his second start this season, and fifth of his NFL career, the brakes are screeching.
and my personal favorite and probably most damning...
- "You can be as competitive and have as much heart as possible, but if you don't have the talent for this league, it's hard to play," said Broncos cornerback Champ Bailey.
http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_19228710
Quote from: Keith-N-Jax on October 31, 2011, 01:41:05 PM
Careful what you say DD^^ when I think of servicable I think of Garrad not Big Ben, were hoping Gabbert is more like Brady or P.Manning or Rogers for that matter.
Youre better than me. I didnt find Garrad servicable. LOL I like middle of the road QB like Ben and Aaron. Their teams are pretty balance. Colts and Partiots are all offense and no defense, and the QB carries the team.
Quote from: duvaldude08 on October 31, 2011, 01:47:38 PM
Youre better than me. I didnt find Garrad servicable. LOL I like middle of the road QB like Ben and Aaron. Their teams are pretty balance. Colts and Partiots are all offense and no defense, and the QB carries the team.
Quotes like this make me seriously consider your NFL IQ, DD.
Aaron who? Ben what? Colt offense how?
There you go again all offense, Colts defense plays pretty well especially when they are protecting a lead. Pats defense is not half bad either. And it is a QB driven league. Over the last few yrs I say 4 what do the SB champs have in common? Great QBs.
Maybe he means Colts with Manning, not this yr.
I'm chiming in a bit late here but I have to agree with most of the sentiment. Our offense is horrible right now. That is the bottom line, no matter who you blame.
Gabbert doesn't seem to be improving at a rate that should be expected of a first round draft pick. The O-line has been "OK" against some top defenses, our recievers can't seem to catch anything, and the offense is WAY too predictable.
On a plus note, we did capitalize on two devensive turnovers.
The defense is stout and VERY fun to watch. I think it has as much to do with the personnel as much as it does the new blitzing schemes and man coverage. If we could somehow muster up some semblance of offense we could still (puts on teal glasses) have a chance at winning the division.
The short of it is that Gabbert has to improve and the recievers have to catch the f-ing football!!!!
I say let Gabbert air it out for the rest of the season. Just go for it and make this the opportunity for him to grow as much as possible. He's a passing quarterback just like Newton and Ponder so treat him like one. Oh, and stop feeding popcorn to the recieving core in the locker room before games!!
Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on October 31, 2011, 01:51:47 PM
Quote from: duvaldude08 on October 31, 2011, 01:47:38 PM
Youre better than me. I didnt find Garrad servicable. LOL I like middle of the road QB like Ben and Aaron. Their teams are pretty balance. Colts and Partiots are all offense and no defense, and the QB carries the team.
Quotes like this make me seriously consider your NFL IQ, DD.
Aaron who? Ben what? Colt offense how?
agreed NRW...."middle of the road QB like Aaron Rogers"....huh?
Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on October 31, 2011, 01:51:47 PM
Quote from: duvaldude08 on October 31, 2011, 01:47:38 PM
Youre better than me. I didnt find Garrad servicable. LOL I like middle of the road QB like Ben and Aaron. Their teams are pretty balance. Colts and Partiots are all offense and no defense, and the QB carries the team.
Quotes like this make me seriously consider your NFL IQ, DD.
Aaron who? Ben what? Colt offense how?
I just have my own opinion. Nothing to do with NFL IQ. Some QB carry their team and IMO (MY OPINION), thats not good. The colts are a prime example of what can happen if you depend soley on your QB and nothing to supplement it. Their defense has been shady for a long time, however they QB was explosive so it was no big deal. Why do you think everytime we played the colts we would keep up with them? Because their defense couldnt stop a nose bleed. ( and ours couldnt either). I dont care about my opinion an NFL fact, just the way I feel about the situation.
Quote from: tufsu1 on October 31, 2011, 02:29:10 PM
Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on October 31, 2011, 01:51:47 PM
Quote from: duvaldude08 on October 31, 2011, 01:47:38 PM
Youre better than me. I didnt find Garrad servicable. LOL I like middle of the road QB like Ben and Aaron. Their teams are pretty balance. Colts and Partiots are all offense and no defense, and the QB carries the team.
Quotes like this make me seriously consider your NFL IQ, DD.
Aaron who? Ben what? Colt offense how?
agreed NRW...."middle of the road QB like Aaron Rogers"....huh?
Okay can I have my own opinions on here? Middle of the road , IN MY OPINION is a QB who is great, not necessiarly Elite (Which I consider Manning and Brady), but they are oustanding and the job done. Geez ::)
Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on October 31, 2011, 01:04:22 PM
Quote from: Shwaz on October 31, 2011, 12:50:37 PM
I think we all know it's not the most weapon loaded team in the league... but we do have some. I'm not looking for Big Ben magic just maybe not dead last in every category for passing.
For the sake of argument:
No. Age Pos G GS QBrec Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD TD% Int Int% Lng Y/A AY/A Y/C Y/G Rate Sk Yds NY/A ANY/A
18 Manning 22 QB 16 16 3-13-0 326 575 56.7 3739 26 4.5 28 4.9 78 6.5 5.2 11.5 233.7 71.2 22 109 6.1 4.8
He also had an elite RB - Marshall Faulk, but he had something that Gabbert doesn't - one Marvin Harrison.
Not sure what the argument is here?
Let's see how Manning & Gabbert would compare in the important stats and I'll use Gabbert's 7 games as an average for the remaining.
18 11Comp 326 176
ATT 575 400
Yards 3739 2064
TD's 26 11
INT's 28 9
Comp% 56.7 44%
Quote from: duvaldude08 on October 31, 2011, 02:41:12 PM
Quote from: tufsu1 on October 31, 2011, 02:29:10 PM
Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on October 31, 2011, 01:51:47 PM
Quote from: duvaldude08 on October 31, 2011, 01:47:38 PM
Youre better than me. I didnt find Garrad servicable. LOL I like middle of the road QB like Ben and Aaron. Their teams are pretty balance. Colts and Partiots are all offense and no defense, and the QB carries the team.
Quotes like this make me seriously consider your NFL IQ, DD.
Aaron who? Ben what? Colt offense how?
agreed NRW...."middle of the road QB like Aaron Rogers"....huh?
Okay can I have my own opinions on here? Middle of the road , IN MY OPINION is a QB who is great, not necessiarly Elite (Which I consider Manning and Brady), but they are oustanding and the job done. Geez ::)
No offense to your opinion and all but... Ben has more rings than Manning and no one and I mean NO ONE is playing better than Rogers right now. I'd take him over Brady and Manning.
One positive things, our defense is getting all the props they deserve! Been online today and they keep talking about that play we did Sunday. Cant say they dont "respect" our defense. No we need to get our Offense together.
Quote from: Jason on October 31, 2011, 02:26:46 PM
I'm chiming in a bit late here but I have to agree with most of the sentiment. Our offense is horrible right now. That is the bottom line, no matter who you blame.
Gabbert doesn't seem to be improving at a rate that should be expected of a first round draft pick. The O-line has been "OK" against some top defenses, our recievers can't seem to catch anything, and the offense is WAY too predictable.
On a plus note, we did capitalize on two devensive turnovers.
The defense is stout and VERY fun to watch. I think it has as much to do with the personnel as much as it does the new blitzing schemes and man coverage. If we could somehow muster up some semblance of offense we could still (puts on teal glasses) have a chance at winning the division.
The short of it is that Gabbert has to improve and the recievers have to catch the f-ing football!!!!
I say let Gabbert air it out for the rest of the season. Just go for it and make this the opportunity for him to grow as much as possible. He's a passing quarterback just like Newton and Ponder so treat him like one. Oh, and stop feeding popcorn to the recieving core in the locker room before games!!
The question is, why isn't Gabbert improving at a rate that should be expected from a first round pick? Gabbert definitely has the goods. A lot of people had him going higher than number 10 in the draft. The problem is we cut our veteran QB. Gabbert needs a veteran to learn from. He's basically a freshman in college whose getting NO advice from friends, upperclassmen, older brothers, etc. Also, he had no real offseason.
In addition to all that, where's the incentive for the coaching staff to throw everything in the kitchen sink at him? They know the seasons already lost--and with it--their jobs.
Find myself scratching my head asking, "Where could we possibly go from here?"
I fear Gabbert's development may be two seasons long. I wish it wasn't so, but barring a miracle, can't imagine another way.
And I urge you all (if you haven't already) check out Big Cat Country's website and look at their recent string of articles on Gabbert's development. All rings very true.
Quote from: tufsu1 on October 31, 2011, 02:29:10 PM
Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on October 31, 2011, 01:51:47 PM
Quote from: duvaldude08 on October 31, 2011, 01:47:38 PM
Youre better than me. I didnt find Garrad servicable. LOL I like middle of the road QB like Ben and Aaron. Their teams are pretty balance. Colts and Partiots are all offense and no defense, and the QB carries the team.
Quotes like this make me seriously consider your NFL IQ, DD.
Aaron who? Ben what? Colt offense how?
agreed NRW...."middle of the road QB like Aaron Rogers"....huh?
I usually don't disagree with you much Duval, but I gotta go with Tufsu on this one. I can't stand the Packers, but Aaron is definitely an elite QB, and right now, he's arguably the best QB. "Middle of the road" is just average, and Roethlisberger & Rodgers are above average. I know that's just your opinion; Like Pete Prisco says, you're entitled to your wrong opinion. :)
Guess which NFL starting rookie QB already has beaten the best (losing) QB so far on all five schedules; The answer is........(drum roll, preferably floor tom) Blaine Gabbert beating Joe Flacco. Lets check out the wins and losses and the opposing starting QB's that the five starting rookies had to face.
JAX's Blaine Gabbert (1-5) Win- Joe Flacco(BAL)
Losses- Andy Dalton(CIN), Cam Newton(CAR), Drew Brees(NO), Ben Roethlisberger(PIT) and Matt Schaub(HOU)
DEN's Tim Tebow (1-2) Win- Matt Moore(MIA)
Losses- Phillip Rivers(SD), and Matthew Stafford(DET)
CIN's Andy Dalton (4-2) Wins- Ryan Fitzpatrick(BUF), Blaine Gabbert(JAX), Curtis Painter(IND) and Tarvaris Jackson(SEA)
Losses- Kyle Orton(DEN), and Alex Smith(SF)
CAR's Cam Newton (2-6) Wins- Blaine Gabbert(JAX), and John Beck(WAS)
Losses- Matt Ryan(ATL), Drew Brees(NO), Kevin Colb(ARI), Aaron Rodgers(GB), Jay Cutler(CHI), and Christian Ponder(MIN)
MIN's Christian Ponder (1-1) Win- Cam Newton(CAR)
Loss- Aaron Rodgers(GB)
IMO the only win that almost rivals Gabbert's win over Flacco is Dalton's win over Fitzpatrick(IMO he's the real deal)
Look, I'm not gonna sit here, and act like Gabbert had a 300 yard passing game vs BAL, but a win is a win; I rather win with a 100 yard game, than lose with a spectacular 300 yard game. Take that for what it's worth.
Calling it Blaine Gabbert's "win" seems like a stretch to me. His stats were pedestrian at best including no TD's - he was more of a beneficiary. It's no more a Blaine "win" than a Brad Meester "win". In actuality, Blaine was somewhat of a handicap - working against the efforts of our defense (IMO). Ah, the QB gets all the glamor...
Quote from: blizz01 on October 31, 2011, 10:22:41 PM
Ah, the QB gets all the glamor...
You're right about that. It's not uncommon for QB's to get too much of the blame during losses, and they sometimes are praised too much during wins. It's all about the QB. :)
Quote from: blizz01 on October 31, 2011, 10:22:41 PM
His stats were pedestrian at best including no TD's
Oh, I forgot to throw this in, lets not forget about Mojo's fumble, and Lewis's dropped TD.
Let's just call it Scobee's win....
^^^Hard to disagree with that. LOL
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Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on October 31, 2011, 01:51:47 PM
Quote from: duvaldude08 on October 31, 2011, 01:47:38 PM
Youre better than me. I didnt find Garrad servicable. LOL I like middle of the road QB like Ben and Aaron. Their teams are pretty balance. Colts and Partiots are all offense and no defense, and the QB carries the team.
Quotes like this make me seriously consider your NFL IQ, DD.
Aaron who? Ben what? Colt offense how?
agreed NRW...."middle of the road QB like Aaron Rogers"....huh?
I usually don't disagree with you much Duval, but I gotta go with Tufsu on this one. I can't stand the Packers, but Aaron is definitely an elite QB, and right now, he's arguably the best QB. "Middle of the road" is just average, and Roethlisberger & Rodgers are above average. I know that's just your opinion; Like Pete Prisco says, you're entitled to your wrong opinion. :)
I think I choose the wrong wording. It seems I knew what I was saying and no one else did. :P
TO be honest, I dont think any QB will work for Jax until the coaching changes. Under Del Rio. Jax is very good at messing up at the QB position. At times, I actually think Leftwich and Garrad could have done better if they were coached properly. Gabbert has alot of potential and I hope WW makes the right decision in the off season and axe del rio and company before any more damage is done to Gabberts development. Its seem like this team has a QB curse ever since Del Rio has been coach.
BTW Duval, the former starting QB for the Jags name is David GarraRd; You constantly leave out the third "R" thus spelling "Garrad". I guess that you say, who cares, he's old news. :) :P
Quote from: I-10east on October 31, 2011, 10:43:59 PM
BTW Duval, the former starting QB for the Jags name is David GarraRd; You constantly leave out the third "R" thus spelling "Garrad". I guess that you say, who cares, he's old news. :) :P
You know what I never noticed that! It just looks funny with 3 R's. LMAO
In speaking of Garrad.........err.....Garrard :) This commercial is pretty funny. LOL
www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcAWmQHcMYo