http://jacksonville.com/sports/football/jaguars/2011-09-06/story/jaguars-released-quarterback-david-garrard
It's almost surreal.
He didn't look good this preseason. I do not believe he gives us a better chance to win even early in this season.
All I can say is.. I knew it was coming. After his up and down performance last year. Then we drafted Blaine. I told one of my good friend months ago that were going to pull the byron leftwich on him and BAM! It happened. Im not surprised at all. If Luke ends up being average, like Garrad then we really didnt lose anything and still should have a decent season. He is only a place holder for Gabbert anyways. Garrad was being strongly evaluated during the preseason and he failed miserabley. When he threw that interception on his FIRST drive of the falcons game I was like " Oh God not again!" I counldnt, and still cant defend anymore. I know one thing for sure, a real job would not have given you three to get your performance together so he should consider his self lucky.
There's no defending Garrard - he was never worth the money they gave him. However, I will say that a halfway decent offensive line and some wide receivers would have given him a fighting chance. With this cut, the Jaguars are $33 million under the cap. I hope they plan on spending some money and giving Gabbert a better supporting cast or else he won't look much better.
I dont know if it was even the receivers. That is an issue, dont get me wrong, but I think the number one issue was him being inconsitent. When hes at his best, we play like champions. When he plays bad, we played bad. Weve been addressing that, but Garrad cant even get rid of the ball. My femlae friend who know nothing about football even said " why does he take so long to throw the ball and why does he throw it so slow". He just wasnt cutting it. I wanted to believe in him, but all is lost now.
Quote from: duvaldude08 on September 06, 2011, 05:59:51 PM
I dont know if it was even the receivers. That is an issue, dont get me wrong, but I think the number one issue was him being inconsitent. When hes at his best, we play like champions. When he plays bad, we played bad. Weve been addressing that, but Garrad cant even get rid of the ball. My femlae friend who know nothing about football even said " why does he take so long to throw the ball and why does he throw it so slow". He just wasnt cutting it. I wanted to believe in him, but all is lost now.
Agreed. He looked terrific in 2007 when he was locked in all year, despite a worse receiving corps than the 2010 or 2011 units (and I think the receivers are better than they're credited with being).
I am a big fan of Garrard as a person. He's a first class guy to everyone, charitably inclined, decent and a gentleman. It was very easy to root for him and to want him to succeed. I liked him at ECU and was very happy the Jaguars drafted him. His was the first jersey I bought (of course, I'm now a candidate for "Confessions: Jersey Hoarding"). I thought he gave the Jaguars a better chance to win than Leftwich and liked that decision in 2007. But I understand the football decision now. I wish the timing could have been better, but I think they tried to give him a fair shot and plenty of chances this preseason.
I dont think there are any Coughlin players now. I think Garrard was the last one. In a way its good to see the end of the Leftwich-Garrard era. Del Rio seems to be getting another year, cause if the Jags suck will it be over coaching or the inexperienced QB?
Quote from: Coolyfett on September 06, 2011, 06:37:46 PM
I dont think there are any Coughlin players now. I think Garrard was the last one. In a way its good to see the end of the Leftwich-Garrard era. Del Rio seems to be getting another year, cause if the Jags suck will it be over coaching or the inexperienced QB?
Brad Meester is the last Coughlin player.
Shocked I thought DG and JDR would leave together. Hope Luke can stay healthy. Even though I am somewhat glad the DG erra is ova. I will miss him scrambling abilities. Go Jags. sec 103
David was a class-act. He was always a team player, but I think it was a good decision. I still would have liked to seen him without JDR, at least for 1 season.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4MV5gCkQAY
Loved this run.
Quote from: Keith-N-Jax on September 06, 2011, 07:44:05 PM
Shocked I thought DG and JDR would leave together. Hope Luke can stay healthy. Even though I am somewhat glad the DG erra is ova. I will miss him scrambling abilities. Go Jags. sec 103
What dont understand is, does anyone realize what we are doing? Im noticing a horriable pattern. As soon as we started losing under coughlin it was " off with his head". Then in came Del Rio and we started back winning immediately. 9-7,11-5,8-8 and 12-4. Then once the "shack harris effect" kicked in the 2008 season, now we want to dump Del Rio. I think Del Rio is a good coach. However, he is not tough enough on them. If you want excellence, you have to demand it. Not pat them on the back and tell them everythings gonna be ok. One thing about Couhglin is he yelled and screamed until his face was red, but they produced at their highest level on the field. I think that is my only negative with Del Rio
Quote from: duvaldude08 on September 07, 2011, 09:21:39 AM
Quote from: Keith-N-Jax on September 06, 2011, 07:44:05 PM
Shocked I thought DG and JDR would leave together. Hope Luke can stay healthy. Even though I am somewhat glad the DG erra is ova. I will miss him scrambling abilities. Go Jags. sec 103
What dont understand is, does anyone realize what we are doing? Im noticing a horriable pattern. As soon as we started losing under coughlin it was " off with his head". Then in came Del Rio and we started back winning immediately. 9-7,11-5,8-8 and 12-4. Then once the "shack harris effect" kicked in the 2008 season, now we want to dump Del Rio. I think Del Rio is a good coach. However, he is not tough enough on them. If you want excellence, you have to demand it. Not pat them on the back and tell them everythings gonna be ok. One thing about Couhglin is he yelled and screamed until his face was red, but they produced at their highest level on the field. I think that is my only negative with Del Rio
The differance between Coughlin and Del Rio is that one had Brunell, Smith, McCardell, Boselli, Taylor and BRackens. The other did not. Del Rio inherited a talented but aging roster and has never had consistent play at any position except RB (MJD).
Quote from: Intuition Ale Works on September 07, 2011, 09:31:12 AM
Quote from: duvaldude08 on September 07, 2011, 09:21:39 AM
Quote from: Keith-N-Jax on September 06, 2011, 07:44:05 PM
Shocked I thought DG and JDR would leave together. Hope Luke can stay healthy. Even though I am somewhat glad the DG erra is ova. I will miss him scrambling abilities. Go Jags. sec 103
What dont understand is, does anyone realize what we are doing? Im noticing a horriable pattern. As soon as we started losing under coughlin it was " off with his head". Then in came Del Rio and we started back winning immediately. 9-7,11-5,8-8 and 12-4. Then once the "shack harris effect" kicked in the 2008 season, now we want to dump Del Rio. I think Del Rio is a good coach. However, he is not tough enough on them. If you want excellence, you have to demand it. Not pat them on the back and tell them everythings gonna be ok. One thing about Couhglin is he yelled and screamed until his face was red, but they produced at their highest level on the field. I think that is my only negative with Del Rio
The differance between Coughlin and Del Rio is that one had Brunell, Smith, McCardell, Boselli, Taylor and BRackens. The other did not. Del Rio inherited a talented but aging roster and has never had consistent play at any position except RB (MJD).
Another good point!
I can see Garrard going to Seattle and having a better offense line, some offensive weapons and performing better than he did in Jacksonville. David is a decent QB, however, he NEVER had any talented wide receivers to throw to here. I think he might have had Jimmy for one or two seasons.
Peyton Manning and Tom Brady are about the only two QB's I can think of that can make average WR's look good.
The jags don't have the best track record of drafting WRs. I hate to remind everyone of Matt Jones(1st) & Reggie(1st) Williams. We did draft Ernest Wilford(4th) the same year as Reggie and he was nothing more than a possession receiver. Next was MSW(4th) - decent, but couldn't stay on the field - we'll see how he does in St. Louis this year. Mike Thomas(4th) is not a bad receiver. He has good speed, but he's too, damn short. This year we went with a decently sized guy, just not blazing speed with Shorts(4th) - yet to be determined.
I think we'll see some offensive weapons added next year. We have built our lines, both O & D, in the draft. We should have one of the better LB corp and the DB is a yet to be determined. RBs can be found anywhere, so that doesn't concern me. I know that GS is a BAP guy, but it's easier to rank WRs higher on the board when most of the other bases are covered. Also, it will give Gabbert someone to grow old with.
Write this down - Next year's draft - 1 - Guard/Center, 2 -WR/DB, 3-DB/WR/DE, 4 - DB/DE/WR 5 - RB/LB
In order of importance.
Well they DID draft RJ Soward in the first round...oh, wait. (I think that's where the wheels started coming off, btw).
They seem to be so concerned with the whole "drafting a good character guy" that the people that are proven stars get passed over by the Jags. I'd venture to say that most of the Baltimore Ravens defense weren't 'good character guys' coming out of college, but I'd trade our defense for theirs any Sunday.
Nice guys don't equal winning.
Quote from: comncense on September 07, 2011, 10:19:17 AM
I can see Garrard going to Seattle and having a better offense line, some offensive weapons and performing better than he did in Jacksonville. David is a decent QB, however, he NEVER had any talented wide receivers to throw to here. I think he might have had Jimmy for one or two seasons.
Peyton Manning and Tom Brady are about the only two QB's I can think of that can make average WR's look good.
I think we are still making excuses for him. Lets go back to 2007. We had a crappy recieving copr back then. Its better now than it was then. The reason we made it far is because Garrad was playing at a high level. Even last season, anytime Garrad was on fire, so was the offense. We do help in WR, but lets stop putting all the blame on them. And now its coming out that the players were actually feeling a certain kind of way because Garrad always blamed them when things went wrong. And thats not kool. Not something a true leader does. He blamed the interception during the ATL game on Mike Thomas. And to be honest the running back are the only thing that makes Garrad look good. When they are out, he's garbage. And the stunt he pulled last year about his finger, when we needed him the most was my last straw. If Mojo could play 14 games with a bad knee, he could have played with a bad finger.
I also believe there are ALOT of things that were going on behind the scenes that fans are not aware of. During the preseason there was a disconnect between Garrad and the entire team and it was obvious.
Quote from: comncense on September 07, 2011, 12:45:52 PM
They seem to be so concerned with the whole "drafting a good character guy" that the people that are proven stars get passed over by the Jags. I'd venture to say that most of the Baltimore Ravens defense weren't 'good character guys' coming out of college, but I'd trade our defense for theirs any Sunday.
Nice guys don't equal winning.
What "proven stars" have they passed over in the draft?
Quote from: comncense on September 07, 2011, 10:19:17 AM
I can see Garrard going to Seattle and having a better offense line, some offensive weapons and performing better than he did in Jacksonville. David is a decent QB, however, he NEVER had any talented wide receivers to throw to here. I think he might have had Jimmy for one or two seasons.
Peyton Manning and Tom Brady are about the only two QB's I can think of that can make average WR's look good.
What about Drew Brees? Philip Rivers? The good ones can do it.
And by the way, Seattle's offensive line is terrible.
Duvaldude believe me, in no way am I defending Garrard. I'm just saying it's hard to expect things to get better when we don't have a decent supporting cast of WR's for a QB. Especially for a rookie and a journeyman QB of Luke McCown's caliber. Until the O-line steps up and we address our no name cast of WR's, I don't expect much. MJD and Marcedes can't carry the offense all season.
With all that said, I'm still and will continue to be a season ticket holder thru the good and the bad. It just frustrates me that ownership can't get their drafting right. It really reminds me of how the Orlando Magic continue to screw up their team. Aside from Dwight Howard, they haven't drafted anyone really special.
Quote from: copperfiend on September 07, 2011, 01:08:51 PM
Quote from: comncense on September 07, 2011, 10:19:17 AM
I can see Garrard going to Seattle and having a better offense line, some offensive weapons and performing better than he did in Jacksonville. David is a decent QB, however, he NEVER had any talented wide receivers to throw to here. I think he might have had Jimmy for one or two seasons.
Peyton Manning and Tom Brady are about the only two QB's I can think of that can make average WR's look good.
What about Drew Brees? Philip Rivers? The good ones can do it.
And by the way, Seattle's offensive line is terrible.
Rivers has Vincent Jackson and Brees has Colston. Both of which are better than any of our WR's. Not to mention that the Chargers had the number one offense AND defense last year. The Saints had the number 4 defense and 6 offense.
Quote from: copperfiend on September 07, 2011, 01:06:05 PM
What "proven stars" have they passed over in the draft?
'05 really hurt - Missed on Roddy White & V-Jack for one Matt Jones
In '06 I can't complain, the only WR we missed was Jennings, but that's the draft that we got Marcedes Lewis and MJD
In '07 we passed on Dwayne Bowe, Anthony Gonzalez, Sidney Rice & Robert Meachum for Reggie Nelson
In '08 we passes on Eddie Royal and DeSean Jackson for Derrick Harvey
And these were just the well known WRs in the first round and top of the second. The worst picks in our history look like '05, '07 & '08 because none of those guys that we picked are even in the NFL anymore.
Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on September 07, 2011, 01:23:38 PM
Quote from: copperfiend on September 07, 2011, 01:06:05 PM
What "proven stars" have they passed over in the draft?
'05 really hurt - Missed on Roddy White & V-Jack for one Matt Jones
In '06 I can't complain, the only WR we missed was Jennings, but that's the draft that we got Marcedes Lewis and MJD
In '07 we passed on Dwayne Bowe, Anthony Gonzalez, Sidney Rice & Robert Meachum for Reggie Nelson
In '08 we passes on Eddie Royal and DeSean Jackson for Derrick Harvey
And these were just the well known WRs in the first round and top of the second. The worst picks in our history look like '05, '07 & '08 because none of those guys that we picked are even in the NFL anymore.
And the person responsible for those drafts was fired two years ago. I was under the impression he was talking about since Gene Smith took over.
I get that, but the book on Gene Smith hasn't been written yet.
The point I'm making is when we weren't drafting choir boys - how did they turn out?
The only player cut from Gene's drafts was Tiquan Underwood this year.
Quote from: comncense on September 07, 2011, 01:15:29 PM
Rivers has Vincent Jackson and Brees has Colston. Both of which are better than any of our WR's. Not to mention that the Chargers had the number one offense AND defense last year. The Saints had the number 4 defense and 6 offense.
Did I miss something? Did the Chargers and Saints go to the SB last year?
Quote from: comncense on September 07, 2011, 01:15:29 PM
Quote from: copperfiend on September 07, 2011, 01:08:51 PM
Quote from: comncense on September 07, 2011, 10:19:17 AM
I can see Garrard going to Seattle and having a better offense line, some offensive weapons and performing better than he did in Jacksonville. David is a decent QB, however, he NEVER had any talented wide receivers to throw to here. I think he might have had Jimmy for one or two seasons.
Peyton Manning and Tom Brady are about the only two QB's I can think of that can make average WR's look good.
What about Drew Brees? Philip Rivers? The good ones can do it.
And by the way, Seattle's offensive line is terrible.
Rivers has Vincent Jackson and Brees has Colston. Both of which are better than any of our WR's. Not to mention that the Chargers had the number one offense AND defense last year. The Saints had the number 4 defense and 6 offense.
And the Chargers are still struggling to win. So that doesnt say much.
Saints are fresh off of a Super Bowl year and the Chargers finished 9-7 with Vincent Jackson out for most of the season. At the end of the day, this is just my opinion. Like I said, I've been a season ticket holder for a LONG time and even though a lot of things that the team and ownership does frustrates me, I continue to do my part with supporting the team by buying tickets.
Vincent Jackson was out most of the season but Rivers did had a terrific year throwing to average receivers.
Just because I like the way numbers work, CF, I did this for you (and for teams without great WRs I think it would be the same)
Last year the top ten Recievers for Philip Rivers were 4 RBs, 2 TEs and 4 WRs accounting for 307 catches for 3890 yds. Out of all of this, the WR's only accounted for 35% of the receptions and 47% of the yardage. Their Y/R were 16.7 for the WRs and 10.5 for the RB/TEs.
Assuming that most passes to WRs were already 8-10 yds down the field and most of the other passes were in the 2-5 yd range - I'd say he gets by with an exceptional YaC Average from his backfield and TEs.
I guess in summary, he's not throwing to average receivers as often as he's throwing to a great backfield and an exceptional tight end.
Which is the same thing that I expect from our team.
My other point being how many SBs does Philip Rivers have? About the same amount as Garrard. The only difference being that the Sportswriters like the weather in SD more than Jax.
It doesn't take a GREAT QB to dump the ball off to running backs all day.
^^^ Exactly, people always like to bring up the 07 season, but 07 was about the running game which DG benefitted from. Jags need a QB who can read the entire field and the defense. Chapter 1 complete and now Chapter 2 get rid of Del Rio.Good luck DG you gave us some fun moments along with heartbreak. Luke , may the force be with you.
You also can't forget the SD also has one of the fastest and most athletic TE's in the game. Antonio Gates always puts up Pro Bowl numbers. But I'm not here to hype the Chargers, my point is the Jaguars can't just ignore the WR position and think things will be ok. The best years of the Jaguars were when we had a good defense and on offense we had Brunnell, Jimmy Smith, McCardell, and Fred Taylor and the other various good RB's we had (Natrone Means, James Stewart...). The Jaguars had VERY good players back in the Tom Coughlin Era. People that you can easily name even today without thinking too hard about it. I bet few people on here can name people that were on the roster since JDR has been here.
As far as getting rid of JDR... Who would you think the Jaguars can get that would be better AND that Mr. Weaver would be willing to pay what they are more than likely going to ask for in salary? Most of the top level coaches that are available aren't going to want to come here and have no power in the draft room for sure.
Quote from: Keith-N-Jax on September 07, 2011, 05:47:15 PM
^^^ Exactly, people always like to bring up the 07 season, but 07 was about the running game which DG benefitted from. Jags need a QB who can read the entire field and the defense. Chapter 1 complete and now Chapter 2 get rid of Del Rio.Good luck DG you gave us some fun moments along with heartbreak. Luke , may the force be with you.
BINGO!! Keith we dont agree much, but you hit the nail on the head. Freddie T and Mo-Jo were the reason were we got so far in 2007. It had nothing to do with the QB or WR's. Its time to address the QB issue, and we have done that with Blaine and saying goodbye to Garrad. We will never make it back to the playoffs being a one dimensional team. The Jags of the 90's had the passing and running game.
^^^I agree, I don't agree with Keith all that much either, but he was dead on point. In 08' other teams made the adjustments against the limited Garrard, thus exposing us; Like defenses putting eight in the box to stop the run, making Garrard try to beat them with his arm.
Quote from: I-10east on September 07, 2011, 11:15:46 PM
^^^I agree, I don't agree with Keith all that much either, but he was dead on point. In 08' other teams made the adjustments against the limited Garrard, thus exposing us; Like defenses putting eight in the box to stop the run, making Garrard try to beat them with his arm.
I'm not tripping about Luke starting. He's only gonna be the starter temporarily. Gabbert will be ready by next season, then its on! The Jags are experiencing something ever other team in the NFL. Changes, transitions, etc. Even the elite teams in the NFL were losing team at one point in their history. When you are a true fan, you take the good with the bad, suck it up and support the team.
Garrard needed to go. I'm surprised they did do it sooner as well...we need a QB that can throw the ball. Garrard was the type of QB that seemed to like to run the ball with not much passing and I think this is wut's been hurting the Jags; Great on the defense though...Hope fully the new QB will do better this season. But I'm going to doubt this season.
It should be an interesting season. I say Gabbert starts sometime before the Bye week. Luke McCown can't be the long term answer. Give Gabbert half the season to learn the playbook and some time with the number 1's in practice and give him a chance.
^ Bingo. I would be highly suprised if McCown starts the entire season.
^^Yeah Luke is just a temporary place holder for Gabbert. Mckown=now, Gabbert=future
The guy is 30 (McCown) but has been on the bench his entire career. I don't know what's been holding him back, maybe in a way he IS Garrard from 4 years ago.
I'm throwing out '04, his rookie year on a bad Browns team. What follows are his stat lines from the 3 games he started in TB while Jeff Garcia was hurt. They went to the playoff that year.
cmp att yds td int lng rsh yds td lng
29 37 313 2 1 60 2 34 0 26 - New Orleans (7-9)
25 38 266 0 0 31 2 10 0 10 - Houston (8-8)
21 28 236 2 1 52 5 47 0 31 - Carolina (7-9)
75 103 815 4 2 72.8% 9 121 0 13.4y/r
I don't know about you guys, but these don't look like stats that scare me away. Granted they weren't against powerhouse teams, but TB wasn't that good that year and lost in the first round of the playoffs. The other item of note are the WRs that McCown had to throw to - not exactly Keyshawn and Mike Williams - if you know what I mean.
Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on September 08, 2011, 12:52:48 PM
The guy is 30 (McCown) but has been on the bench his entire career. I don't know what's been holding him back,
Injuries. Has a history of them. Unfortunately he'll be trotting out behind a line that hasn't looked too sharp in pass protection.
He's only our starter temporarily. So lets not have a cow about this. We know Luke is not going to take us to the promise land. Gabbart just isnt ready yet. I will be satisfied with 10-6 this year given our situation. If we luck up and get 11-5 and sneak in the wild card round, thats kool too.
I'll let you know what I think this years team odds are come 4:30 pm Sunday afternoon.
QuoteFlorio told you an hour ago that Peyton Manning’s surgery could happen as early as Thursday. We can now tell you that surgery is complete.
ESPN’s Chris Mortensen reports Manning had cervical fusion surgery, which wrapped up this afternoon. The expected recovery is 2-3 months, although we’ve seen with this injury how tricky it is to put a timeline on anything. There is no plan for Manning to go on I.R.
Manning reportedly consulted with a half-dozen doctors who came up with the solution to get cervical neck fusion.
A timeline to return is just a guess. Indianapolis had no idea how Manning would respond to his last surgery. After delays, he tried to practice lightly for a week. That caused a setback, back pain, and further surgery. No one can truly know at this point where this goes from here.
“He’s been on the clock since May,†Archie Manning said of his son to Mort. “He didn’t make it. Obviously, it’s a big letdown, but he can relax a little bit compared to the intensity of everything he has done trying to rehab.â€
It sounds like the Colts will hold out hope that Manning can return this season, but the landscape of the AFC South has clearly changed.
It’s up to Kerry Collins and company to keep the Colts afloat in the meantime. We have our doubts they can do so.
Even if Manning was able to play again this season, it could be too late to make a difference.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/category/rumor-mill
The AFC South is the new NFC West - 8-8 could mean the playoffs.
Too bad Manning's surgery wasn't last year. :-\
Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on September 08, 2011, 03:44:36 PM
QuoteFlorio told you an hour ago that Peyton Manning’s surgery could happen as early as Thursday. We can now tell you that surgery is complete.
ESPN’s Chris Mortensen reports Manning had cervical fusion surgery, which wrapped up this afternoon. The expected recovery is 2-3 months, although we’ve seen with this injury how tricky it is to put a timeline on anything. There is no plan for Manning to go on I.R.
Manning reportedly consulted with a half-dozen doctors who came up with the solution to get cervical neck fusion.
A timeline to return is just a guess. Indianapolis had no idea how Manning would respond to his last surgery. After delays, he tried to practice lightly for a week. That caused a setback, back pain, and further surgery. No one can truly know at this point where this goes from here.
“He’s been on the clock since May,†Archie Manning said of his son to Mort. “He didn’t make it. Obviously, it’s a big letdown, but he can relax a little bit compared to the intensity of everything he has done trying to rehab.â€
It sounds like the Colts will hold out hope that Manning can return this season, but the landscape of the AFC South has clearly changed.
It’s up to Kerry Collins and company to keep the Colts afloat in the meantime. We have our doubts they can do so.
Even if Manning was able to play again this season, it could be too late to make a difference.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/category/rumor-mill
The AFC South is the new NFC West - 8-8 could mean the playoffs.
I was thinking the same thing. the division is for grabs this year and it may not take much to win it. The once tough afc south is going down in flames LOL Texans may get it together this year. They may be our only competition if they do. Because a peyton-less Colts team is not making it to the play offs.
Quote from: 02roadking on September 08, 2011, 03:38:45 PM
I'll let you know what I think this years team odds are come 4:30 pm Sunday afternoon.
Wow where is your crystal ball and can I use it? Because if you can predict the outcome for the season based on one game, you are a bad boy! Miss Cleo must be your best friend :P
Whenever they release Jack Del Rio, I will clap:
Team Year Regular Season Post Season
Won Lost Ties Win % Finish Won Lost Win % Result
JAX 2003 5 11 0 .313 3rd in AFC South - - - -
JAX 2004 9 7 0 .563 2nd in AFC South - - - -
JAX 2005 12 4 0 .750 2nd in AFC South 0 1 .
JAX 2006 8 8 0 .500 3rd in AFC South - - - -
JAX 2007 11 5 0 .688 2nd in AFC South 1 1
JAX 2008 5 11 0 .313 4th in AFC South - - - -
JAX 2009 7 9 0 .438 4th in AFC South - - - -
JAX 2010 8 8 0 .500 2nd in AFC South - - - -
Total[10] 65 63 0 .508 1 2 .333 -
2 Playoff Appearances in 7 years, and this dude still has a job.
Even though I want Del Rio gone, bad drafting and injuries have played alot into the past few years for our Jags. One of Weaver's biggest mistakes were the extension and contracts given to Del Rio and Garrard. Both who should have been gone in 09 IMO. I hope Luke can play well b/c if ever there was a time to steal an AFC South crown this is certainly it. If Luke can stay healthy and the O-line plays well you would think we would be OK. DG will be missed on those short 3rd downs and 4th and 1. I think that's were his running ability became a real strength. On paper our schedule appear to be rough and tough,,we will seeeee!!! I'll be there Sunday Go Jags!!!
We shall see. Because if the Saints keep playing the way they did last night, we might beat them. GB was running rampant through their defense and GB really isnt a running team like that. I was disappointed in the Saints. Thats my other adopted team.
But I agree Keith. The past few years was not Del rio's fault really. EVerything was going good until the bad drafting took its toll on us. But he can use that excuse anymore. So its do or die Del Rio! Lets play some ball!
If the Saints played the way they did last night they'll probably beat the Jags. IMO
Offensively.. Yes they can beat us. But then again, if our new defensive plays up to their potential, it can be a very tight game. IMO, their defense was Garbage last night. Giving up 42 point is not a good look for anyones defense.
Quote from: Keith-N-Jax on September 09, 2011, 11:43:32 AM
Even though I want Del Rio gone, bad drafting and injuries have played alot into the past few years for our Jags. One of Weaver's biggest mistakes were the extension and contracts given to Del Rio and Garrard. Both who should have been gone in 09 IMO. I hope Luke can play well b/c if ever there was a time to steal an AFC South crown this is certainly it. If Luke can stay healthy and the O-line plays well you would think we would be OK. DG will be missed on those short 3rd downs and 4th and 1. I think that's were his running ability became a real strength. On paper our schedule appear to be rough and tough,,we will seeeee!!! I'll be there Sunday Go Jags!!!
Good point Keith on the weakness of the AFC South. We can sneak a title here.
Hmmm........
Might as well roll the rookie out there.
Anyone is better than McCown. He has been horrible! 0 TD and 4 INT! I was thinking we could win this because of how we played last week, but they looks like the same Jaguars. Cutting Garrard was a huge mistake.
Garrad is not better than Luke. Garrad has done the same thing last year when we played the browns. Actually I think Garrad threw more than four if Im not mistaken. We have been severed several blow outs under Garrad. So I am used to losing this way. LMAO We've been hiding our QB issues behind the run game and it has caught up with us. I was already prepared for a disappointing season. Its part of being a fan. I will endure a losing season to get our shit straight. WW is having a cow right now. I also think that Del Rio is going to be gone soon. Look for Dirk to be the head coach soon......
FYI- Cox, Lewis and hill being injured didn't help so much either. We were doomed going into this game.
Quote from: iMarvin on September 18, 2011, 03:39:47 PM
Anyone is better than McCown. He has been horrible! 0 TD and 4 INT! I was thinking we could win this because of how we played last week, but they looks like the same Jaguars. Cutting Garrard was a huge mistake.
Garrad has played the same way. Trust me. He was no better. We have to take a Que from Carolina and start the Rookie. Weve rolled the dice so far might as well keep rolling.
Quote from: duvaldude08 on September 18, 2011, 04:02:14 PM
Quote from: iMarvin on September 18, 2011, 03:39:47 PM
Anyone is better than McCown. He has been horrible! 0 TD and 4 INT! I was thinking we could win this because of how we played last week, but they looks like the same Jaguars. Cutting Garrard was a huge mistake.
Garrad has played the same way. Trust me. He was no better. We have to take a Que from Carolina and start the Rookie. Weve rolled the dice so far might as well keep rolling.
I don't know. He had more experience. I don't think he would've let them beat us like that. But who knows, he's gone now. I just hope we get our act together for next week. The Panthers
should be an easy win.
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Quote from: duvaldude08 on September 18, 2011, 04:02:14 PM
Quote from: iMarvin on September 18, 2011, 03:39:47 PM
Anyone is better than McCown. He has been horrible! 0 TD and 4 INT! I was thinking we could win this because of how we played last week, but they looks like the same Jaguars. Cutting Garrard was a huge mistake.
I don't know. He had more experience. I don't think he would've let them beat us like that. But who knows, he's gone now. I just hope we get our act together for next week. The Panthers should be an easy win.
Cam Newton has had 2 straight weeks of throwing for 400+ yards... I don't see Carolina being an easy win.
"JAG'S MISS FLIGHT AND IMPROVE SCORE!" Next weeks headlines. It's paper sack time boys and girls. My daughter called me from the game... I think seeking comfort, she was decked out in her Jag's gear then wanted to disappear in the LAUGHING crowd. OMG! Oh well, hopefully Medellin does better with their futbol.
OCKLAWAHA
Would have not made a difference, Del Rio has built a team that will fail against most teams anyway. RUN and Run some more and then when you fall behind 10 pts or more the game is over no matter what qtr your in. This team really lacks depth and talent besides a very few people, Start Blaine, this season going no where anyway. If WW doesn't get rid of Del Rio this franchise is lost.
Quote from: Ocklawaha on September 18, 2011, 06:27:54 PM
It's paper sack time boys and girls.
OCKLAWAHA
Don't forget Ock, we are 1-1 not the "paper sack worthy" record of 1-5 just yet, although we'll ultimately have that record if McCown starts the next three weeks. I'm with Keith, it's time to bring in the rookie!
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Quote from: iMarvin on September 18, 2011, 05:11:31 PM
Quote from: duvaldude08 on September 18, 2011, 04:02:14 PM
Quote from: iMarvin on September 18, 2011, 03:39:47 PM
Anyone is better than McCown. He has been horrible! 0 TD and 4 INT! I was thinking we could win this because of how we played last week, but they looks like the same Jaguars. Cutting Garrard was a huge mistake.
I don't know. He had more experience. I don't think he would've let them beat us like that. But who knows, he's gone now. I just hope we get our act together for next week. The Panthers should be an easy win.
Cam Newton has had 2 straight weeks of throwing for 400+ yards... I don't see Carolina being an easy win.
Wow. I didn't know he did that good. This may not be so easy...
Our defense is better than last yr, but that does little when your leading scorer is the kicker. I am starting to wonder is Blaine going to just hand the ball off. You cant be a run heavy team and not score points. The Delrio era has built a team that can not win. When I say win I mean anything of importance. If McClown comes out throwing int, put the rookie in and for the love of God cant they come up with some creative offensive plays. Offense is still handcuffed. I am really worried about the Prime time games we have this yr.
Quote from: I-10east on September 18, 2011, 08:23:32 PM
Quote from: Ocklawaha on September 18, 2011, 06:27:54 PM
It's paper sack time boys and girls.
OCKLAWAHA
Don't forget Ock, we are 1-1 not the "paper sack worthy" record of 1-5 just yet, although we'll ultimately have that record if McCown starts the next three weeks. I'm with Keith, it's time to bring in the rookie!
Hehe, McCown is so bad that he can make us go 0-4 in just three games.
Quote from: iMarvin on September 18, 2011, 05:11:31 PM
Quote from: duvaldude08 on September 18, 2011, 04:02:14 PM
Quote from: iMarvin on September 18, 2011, 03:39:47 PM
Anyone is better than McCown. He has been horrible! 0 TD and 4 INT! I was thinking we could win this because of how we played last week, but they looks like the same Jaguars. Cutting Garrard was a huge mistake.
Garrad has played the same way. Trust me. He was no better. We have to take a Que from Carolina and start the Rookie. Weve rolled the dice so far might as well keep rolling.
I don't know. He had more experience. I don't think he would've let them beat us like that. But who knows, he's gone now. I just hope we get our act together for next week. The Panthers should be an easy win.
This is actually an exact repeat of last season. We had a week 2 blow out when we plad the chargers. The game was full of interceptions. And the score was just about the same. Something has to give. Im not too worried about Carolina. The Defense will keep Cam and company in check. However if out O-line can get to together.... having a good defense is pointless.
But wait.....we wanted the Jags to start passing more. And we got what we asked for! I knew that getting pass happy was going to get us in trouble.
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Quote from: I-10east on September 18, 2011, 08:23:32 PM
Quote from: Ocklawaha on September 18, 2011, 06:27:54 PM
It's paper sack time boys and girls.
OCKLAWAHA
Don't forget Ock, we are 1-1 not the "paper sack worthy" record of 1-5 just yet, although we'll ultimately have that record if McCown starts the next three weeks. I'm with Keith, it's time to bring in the rookie!
Hehe, McCown is so bad that he can make us go 0-4 in just three games.
Yeah yeah yeah, I suck at simple first grade addition! I knew that someone was gonna bust my balls about that one when I realized it after I woke up from a short nap. It's been a LONG day. LOL
Quote from: duvaldude08 on September 19, 2011, 12:32:14 AM
But wait.....we wanted the Jags to start passing more. And we got what we asked for! I knew that getting pass happy was going to get us in trouble.
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Suppose to throw the ball to your own teamates, not the other teams teamates
Quote from: comncense on September 18, 2011, 05:42:35 PM
Cam Newton has had 2 straight weeks of throwing for 400+ yards... I don't see Carolina being an easy win.
and how many interceptions?
Considering its Carolina, I think this is as good an opportunity as any, to toss the rookie QB out there.
I agree that next week would be a great opportunity to start the rookie.
And I also think back to just how badly the city overreacted to the week two blowout last season as well.
We're only two weeks ago, the season is far from lost just yet.
Quote from: tufsu1 on September 19, 2011, 08:10:07 AM
Quote from: comncense on September 18, 2011, 05:42:35 PM
Cam Newton has had 2 straight weeks of throwing for 400+ yards... I don't see Carolina being an easy win.
and how many interceptions?
Cam threw interceptions against a Green Bay Packer defense. Don't fool yourself into thinking our defense is on par with Green Bay. And I'm not calling Cam a Tom Brady or Peyton Manning, but we haven't faced a team as of yet that has a good passing offense.
Either way, I think we should start Blaine the rest of the season and go from there. I don't think he would do any worse than what Luke has done.
Quote from: KenFSU on September 19, 2011, 08:35:37 AM
I agree that next week would be a great opportunity to start the rookie.
And I also think back to just how badly the city overreacted to the week two blowout last season as well.
We're only two weeks ago, the season is far from lost just yet.
Exactly. This is a repeat from last year. Let's just hope we dont have any more. (fingers crossed) But hey here some good news, after yesterday our defense is ranked number 5 in the league so far. Lets hope they can keep it up. Atleast something improved this season. (LOL)
Quote from: comncense on September 19, 2011, 08:41:26 AM
Quote from: tufsu1 on September 19, 2011, 08:10:07 AM
Quote from: comncense on September 18, 2011, 05:42:35 PM
Cam Newton has had 2 straight weeks of throwing for 400+ yards... I don't see Carolina being an easy win.
and how many interceptions?
Cam threw interceptions against a Green Bay Packer defense. Don't fool yourself into thinking our defense is on par with Green Bay. And I'm not calling Cam a Tom Brady or Peyton Manning, but we haven't faced a team as of yet that has a good passing offense.
Either way, I think we should start Blaine the rest of the season and go from there. I don't think he would do any worse than what Luke has done.
So far our Defense is number 5 after yesterday. (per Jag insider). Believe it or not, our defense is actually good this year. We havent a defense this good in some years. But lets honestly put the Jets game in to perspective... Both teams were TERRIABLE on the offensive. If it wasnt for the last two interceptions and the saftey, the game would have been extremely close. We had Sanchez on the run the majority of the game. But Mckown was just terriable. And we had too many starters out. Will no Hill and Lewis, Luke no one to throw too but Thomas. I knew we were doomed going into this game with the injuries alone.
However, I do agree this is a good week to start Blaine. Against a Panthers team coming off of a 2-14 season and a rookie QB, I think playing Blaine would be a perfect match up. And good match up for us to redeem our self.
Considering every other rookie QB that was picked in the first round is starting for their respective teams, I see no reason for Blaine not to be doing the same. Ever rookie QB is gonna take their lumps in their first season of starting, so we might as well get that out of the way as soon as possible. I know a lot of 'fans' will view this as throwing the season away, but it's hard to imagine us making the playoffs this year. Really I'd prefer that we don't make the playoffs. We need a high draft pick next year to pick up a wide receiver or a shut down corner. Every other team in our division has a big time WR. Andre Johnson, Kenny Britt, Reggie Wayne.... Who do we have on their level at receiver? Please don't say Mike Thomas either.
Quote from: comncense on September 19, 2011, 09:15:43 AM
Considering every other rookie QB that was picked in the first round is starting for their respective teams, I see no reason for Blaine not to be doing the same. Ever rookie QB is gonna take their lumps in their first season of starting, so we might as well get that out of the way as soon as possible. I know a lot of 'fans' will view this as throwing the season away, but it's hard to imagine us making the playoffs this year. Really I'd prefer that we don't make the playoffs. We need a high draft pick next year to pick up a wide receiver or a shut down corner. Every other team in our division has a big time WR. Andre Johnson, Kenny Britt, Reggie Wayne.... Who do we have on their level at receiver? Please don't say Mike Thomas either.
Mike Thomas is good, but we definitely need more. Every one downs Thomas, but him and Lewis are the ones catching all the darn balls. So I'm not sure why everyone dismisses him. We have Jason Hill and Cecil shorts, but its yet to be seen what either can really do. I looked back at old videos, and Jimmy and Keenan were our top two guys. so I was thinking two good one would set us where we need to be.
And I'm with you about the playoffs. I want us to get our house in order. Bump the playoffs. I want to be the Jags of the 90's, meaning being a consistant team and making the playoff every single year. I don't want to be a team that makes it once here and there, and you don't see them for 10 years. I want us to be dominate. If we have a losing season to achieve that, so be it.
A losing season could net us someone like Justin Blackmon or Alshon Jeffery.
Quote from: comncense on September 19, 2011, 08:41:26 AM
Quote from: tufsu1 on September 19, 2011, 08:10:07 AM
Quote from: comncense on September 18, 2011, 05:42:35 PM
Cam Newton has had 2 straight weeks of throwing for 400+ yards... I don't see Carolina being an easy win.
and how many interceptions?
Cam threw interceptions against a Green Bay Packer defense. Don't fool yourself into thinking our defense is on par with Green Bay. And I'm not calling Cam a Tom Brady or Peyton Manning, but we haven't faced a team as of yet that has a good passing offense.
Either way, I think we should start Blaine the rest of the season and go from there. I don't think he would do any worse than what Luke has done.
Sounds good to me!
My friend just sent me this on Twitter: (Jets) emphasized coverage, figuring that would be enough to handle McCown and the Jaguars' minor-league passing game.
Quotea Panthers team coming off of a 2-14 season and a rookie QB
They certainly are not playing like it. I watched this entire game. Newton is good. Newton made some rookie mistakes but also made some extremely quality throws. He is better than Vick was when he started. Their Dee is pretty good.
Quote from: comncense on September 19, 2011, 09:15:43 AM
Considering every other rookie QB that was picked in the first round is starting for their respective teams,
so Christian Ponder is now starting for the Vikings? That sure is news to me
Quote from: tufsu1 on September 19, 2011, 09:56:51 AM
Quote from: comncense on September 19, 2011, 09:15:43 AM
Considering every other rookie QB that was picked in the first round is starting for their respective teams,
so Christian Ponder is now starting for the Vikings? That sure is news to me
I would have given your correction more credit had you caught me on Jake Locker.
Quote from: BridgeTroll on September 19, 2011, 09:46:51 AM
Quotea Panthers team coming off of a 2-14 season and a rookie QB
They certainly are not playing like it. I watched this entire game. Newton is good. Newton made some rookie mistakes but also made some extremely quality throws. He is better than Vick was when he started. Their Dee is pretty good.
Our Dee is good too shockingly. I keep bringing it up because everybody has been distracted by our offense thats in Dis-array. Our D-line moved up to number 5 this week. I think we will keep Cam on his toes. But our O-line however, let us pray. LOLOL
PS. WTH is wrong with Kansas City????????????? I have been floored by their two blow outs. They were so good last year! And they had 6 turnovers against Detriot. Yike! However I am pleased to see Detriot doing so well.
Though I think that Luke deserves every bit of criticism he's getting for Sunday's game, the O-line did him absolutely no favors, and certainly deserve their share of the blame for the blowout as well. Not breaking any new ground here either, but JDR needs to go. Sooner than later. The only question is, who can we bring in to replace him?
Quote from: KenFSU on September 19, 2011, 10:39:24 AM
Though I think that Luke deserves every bit of criticism he's getting for Sunday's game, the O-line did him absolutely no favors, and certainly deserve their share of the blame for the blowout as well. Not breaking any new ground here either, but JDR needs to go. Sooner than later. The only question is, who can we bring in to replace him?
The only Logical thing I think of is to cut Del Rio, and have either Dirk or Mel as head coach for this season. Then search for a new one in the off season.
Quote from: duvaldude08 on September 19, 2011, 11:01:46 AM
Quote from: KenFSU on September 19, 2011, 10:39:24 AM
Though I think that Luke deserves every bit of criticism he's getting for Sunday's game, the O-line did him absolutely no favors, and certainly deserve their share of the blame for the blowout as well. Not breaking any new ground here either, but JDR needs to go. Sooner than later. The only question is, who can we bring in to replace him?
The only Logical thing I think of is to cut Del Rio, and have either Dirk or Mel as head coach for this season. Then search for a new one in the off season.
Rumor has it Jack Del Rio has sold his home and is renting.
Quote from: manasia on September 19, 2011, 11:13:08 AM
Quote from: duvaldude08 on September 19, 2011, 11:01:46 AM
Quote from: KenFSU on September 19, 2011, 10:39:24 AM
Though I think that Luke deserves every bit of criticism he's getting for Sunday's game, the O-line did him absolutely no favors, and certainly deserve their share of the blame for the blowout as well. Not breaking any new ground here either, but JDR needs to go. Sooner than later. The only question is, who can we bring in to replace him?
The only Logical thing I think of is to cut Del Rio, and have either Dirk or Mel as head coach for this season. Then search for a new one in the off season.
Rumor has it Jack Del Rio has sold his home and is renting.
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Quote from: Tacachale on September 19, 2011, 11:15:51 AM
Quote from: manasia on September 19, 2011, 11:13:08 AM
Quote from: duvaldude08 on September 19, 2011, 11:01:46 AM
Quote from: KenFSU on September 19, 2011, 10:39:24 AM
Though I think that Luke deserves every bit of criticism he's getting for Sunday's game, the O-line did him absolutely no favors, and certainly deserve their share of the blame for the blowout as well. Not breaking any new ground here either, but JDR needs to go. Sooner than later. The only question is, who can we bring in to replace him?
The only Logical thing I think of is to cut Del Rio, and have either Dirk or Mel as head coach for this season. Then search for a new one in the off season.
Rumor has it Jack Del Rio has sold his home and is renting.
[citation needed]
My source spoke to me on a condition of anonymity.
Quote from: duvaldude08 on September 19, 2011, 11:01:46 AM
The only Logical thing I think of is to cut Del Rio, and have either Dirk or Mel as head coach for this season. Then search for a new one in the off season.
except that will cost the team $5 million
Pretty sure he sold his house a while ago. It's not a new development. I don't know if he's renting somewhere, but I remember hearing that it had nothing to do with his job security.
I read also that he sold his house earlier this year. That was kind of strange. I think he knows he's gonna get the axe. But hey. We saved 8 million by cutting garrad, so we have 5 million now to cur Del Rio. Worked out perfect! LMAO
Quote from: tufsu1 on September 19, 2011, 11:20:19 AM
Quote from: duvaldude08 on September 19, 2011, 11:01:46 AM
The only Logical thing I think of is to cut Del Rio, and have either Dirk or Mel as head coach for this season. Then search for a new one in the off season.
except that will cost the team $5 million
They should have an extra 8 to 9 mil right?
The problem Im having is THIS IS WHAT WE WANTED (fans). We yelled, screamed and kicked to cut Garrad. After back to back blowouts and interceptions last season. We kept saying, " we need to draft a QB" Now everyone's is like , " Oh well he wasnt THAT bad." The people in this city trip me out. A bunch of whining cry babies who are satisfied. "Fire Coughlin!" "Fire Del Rio" "Cut Garrad" " Bring Garrad back!" " We shouldnt have cut Coughlin!". Is it just me or is this starting to sound completly STUPID and bioplar?
Did anyone else catch they we drafted a WR from GB on yesterday? That completely went over my head. umm. Chastin West? I think thats his name. Heck Id take Rupual as a WR at this point.! LMAO
Who's going to throw him the ball, Scobee?
Quote from: Keith-N-Jax on September 19, 2011, 06:10:16 PM
Who's going to throw him the ball, Scobee?
Hey one step at time Keith. LMAO
Having fun myself, it will be a while before we can take this team seriously. Were just in a bad spot with ticket sales and fan support right now and the team performance hasn't helped the situation over the past few years. Should be an interesting week leading up to the Panthers game.
Quote from: Keith-N-Jax on September 19, 2011, 07:10:52 PM
Having fun myself, it will be a while before we can take this team seriously. Were just in a bad spot with ticket sales and fan support right now and the team performance hasn't helped the situation over the past few years. Should be an interesting week leading up to the Panthers game.
I agree. Im having fun with it myself as well. Its all part of being a true fan. Every franchise has had years where they were just terriable or were in disrray. The dark years are upon us. Im here until....
Big Cat Country is reporting BG to start againts the Panthers. Cam vs Blaine,, should be interesting. Good move IMO,, Jags are going no where with that offense. Go Jags!!!!. This may spark more fan interest with the future QB on display,
Cool, I'm actually going to be at the game this Sunday.
I saw that MJD was taking QB snaps in practice last week......
Quote from: Keith-N-Jax on September 20, 2011, 07:59:36 PM
Big Cat Country is reporting BG to start againts the Panthers. Cam vs Blaine,, should be interesting. Good move IMO,, Jags are going no where with that offense. Go Jags!!!!. This may spark more fan interest with the future QB on display,
I just read that as well! Gosh I hope so. And we need to play that WR just drafted like yesterday. I sick of offense being so boring. MJD is the only exciting thing on it.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/09/21/report-blaine-gabbert-will-start-sunday/
QuoteIt looks like we’ll get to watch a battle of top ten rookie quarterbacks Sunday in Carolina.
Tania Ganguli of the Florida Times-Union reports that the Jaguars will start Blaine Gabbert at quarterback Sunday against Cam Newton and the Panthers. Luke McCown will not get a chance to rinse off the stench from his four interception performance against the Jets.
Jaguars coach Jack Del Rio refused to name a starter Monday or Tuesday, which was a good sign for the rookie. The No. 10 overall pick impressed the Jaguars in training camp, but his play did not carry over to the preseason where he looked a step slow mentally and often inaccurate.
We can’t imagine Del Rio wanted to go to Gabbert this quickly, but McCown’s play must have made the team reconsider.
There’s no going back now; Del Rio is all in with Gabbert.
It should be a good game. I wonder how well the TV ratings will be here in Jax.
It should definitely be interesting to see. The upshot is that while Gabbert may play as poorly as McCown or Garrard, he's got a lot of years ahead of him to improve, whereas they don't.
Quote from: comncense on September 21, 2011, 11:49:33 AM
It should be a good game. I wonder how well the TV ratings will be here in Jax.
No question that they will be through the roof.
Yeah Im actually excited about his game!
Will it even be on TV?
^^^All of the Jags road games are on TV; Hopefully all of the home games this year will be on as well.
Quote from: BridgeTroll on September 21, 2011, 03:11:57 PM
Will it even be on TV?
I will be in Charlotte to watch this one.
Quote from: manasia on September 21, 2011, 03:24:59 PM
Quote from: BridgeTroll on September 21, 2011, 03:11:57 PM
Will it even be on TV?
I will be in Charlotte to watch this one.
Arggh!! I cant stand you! I was trying to find an away game I could make it to this year. I dont think any of them are close enough. They say Panthers fans are very consertive and quiet at the games. Let me know if thats true.
I wanted to go as well, since I have a cousin in Charlotte. I think the ratings will be high here in Jax BG is supposedly the future. We need our O-line and defense to play well for sure.
Was just watching the news. They were saying how he came to practice giving direction. He shows alot of leadership. They better not put handcuffs on him. If Im not mistaken, Hill and Lewis will be back this week. I also checked out the dude Chastin West and.... He's REALLY good. Im not sure how GB kept him on the practice squad for so long. If he has all his targets in place, this could work out well. Im excited beyond belief! I wasnt excited at all when we drafted Leftwich. I was like, " WTF are you serious?" LOL
Quote from: duvaldude08 on September 21, 2011, 10:53:48 PM
Was just watching the news. They were saying how he came to practice giving direction. He shows alot of leadership. They better not put handcuffs on him. If Im not mistaken, Hill and Lewis will be back this week. I also checked out the dude Chastin West and.... He's REALLY good. Im not sure how GB kept him on the practice squad for so long. If he has all his targets in place, this could work out well. Im excited beyond belief! I wasnt excited at all when we drafted Leftwich. I was like, " WTF are you serious?" LOL
Green Bay WANTED to keep him. He should do well here. The ONLY reason he was on the practice squad is they already have 5 quality starters on the active roster. (Jennings, Driver, Nelson, Jones, and Cobb) Green Bay loses a couple players each year from the practice squad where they try to "hide" a player who cannot make the roster.
I'm pretty confident that the handcuffs will be applied. Lots of draw screens, bubble screens, 3 step drops and most importantly - handoffs.
The downside to this is even though the Panthers ARE a running team, with our weak secondary, they're going to cut Cam loose. So once we find ourselves down a couple of TDs, then they go pass happy - which is ineffective, because the defense goes blitz happy when they know you have to pass.
IMO, let's pull a trick from that the Colts used against us every year - put Hill on the outside with a double move and bomb the shit out of it on the first play a la Peyton / Harrison. Set the tone with that play. (BTW, they should be working extensively on that play this week - tell the defense what you're running and then run it, over and over and over, until the O gets it's timing down.)
This is my only problem with our offense. Everyone knows we can run when we want to - literally, there's no stopping us. Why don't we pass more on our running downs and try to catch the other teams off guard?
Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on September 22, 2011, 08:21:12 AM
I'm pretty confident that the handcuffs will be applied. Lots of draw screens, bubble screens, 3 step drops and most importantly - handoffs.
The downside to this is even though the Panthers ARE a running team, with our weak secondary, they're going to cut Cam loose. So once we find ourselves down a couple of TDs, then they go pass happy - which is ineffective, because the defense goes blitz happy when they know you have to pass.
IMO, let's pull a trick from that the Colts used against us every year - put Hill on the outside with a double move and bomb the shit out of it on the first play a la Peyton / Harrison. Set the tone with that play. (BTW, they should be working extensively on that play this week - tell the defense what you're running and then run it, over and over and over, until the O gets it's timing down.)
This is my only problem with our offense. Everyone knows we can run when we want to - literally, there's no stopping us. Why don't we pass more on our running downs and try to catch the other teams off guard?
I think that two snappy passes of 5 yards each should march us smartly down field, one first down after another. There is an advantage there when the quarterback launches the ball almost instantly from the snap. As long as he is accurate. They need an old tire hanging from a rope on the practice field to get it right. Then they can practice with a receiver - carrying the tire.
I've got a group of about 20 that are going up there. We will "give em hell" as I believe the expression goes.
Quote from: BridgeTroll on September 22, 2011, 06:43:48 AM
Quote from: duvaldude08 on September 21, 2011, 10:53:48 PM
Was just watching the news. They were saying how he came to practice giving direction. He shows alot of leadership. They better not put handcuffs on him. If Im not mistaken, Hill and Lewis will be back this week. I also checked out the dude Chastin West and.... He's REALLY good. Im not sure how GB kept him on the practice squad for so long. If he has all his targets in place, this could work out well. Im excited beyond belief! I wasnt excited at all when we drafted Leftwich. I was like, " WTF are you serious?" LOL
Green Bay WANTED to keep him. He should do well here. The ONLY reason he was on the practice squad is they already have 5 quality starters on the active roster. (Jennings, Driver, Nelson, Jones, and Cobb) Green Bay loses a couple players each year from the practice squad where they try to "hide" a player who cannot make the roster.
Ooohh okay.
Quote from: Ralph W on September 22, 2011, 09:17:33 AM
Quote from: Non-RedNeck Westsider on September 22, 2011, 08:21:12 AM
I'm pretty confident that the handcuffs will be applied. Lots of draw screens, bubble screens, 3 step drops and most importantly - handoffs.
The downside to this is even though the Panthers ARE a running team, with our weak secondary, they're going to cut Cam loose. So once we find ourselves down a couple of TDs, then they go pass happy - which is ineffective, because the defense goes blitz happy when they know you have to pass.
IMO, let's pull a trick from that the Colts used against us every year - put Hill on the outside with a double move and bomb the shit out of it on the first play a la Peyton / Harrison. Set the tone with that play. (BTW, they should be working extensively on that play this week - tell the defense what you're running and then run it, over and over and over, until the O gets it's timing down.)
This is my only problem with our offense. Everyone knows we can run when we want to - literally, there's no stopping us. Why don't we pass more on our running downs and try to catch the other teams off guard?
I think that two snappy passes of 5 yards each should march us smartly down field, one first down after another. There is an advantage there when the quarterback launches the ball almost instantly from the snap. As long as he is accurate. They need an old tire hanging from a rope on the practice field to get it right. Then they can practice with a receiver - carrying the tire.
I agree. I few shorts passes with some runs should get us far. For the small amount of time Gabbert was in Sunday that is what he was doing. A few short passes, a few runs, and we FINALLY made it to the 20 yard line. We seem to be protecting the QB better this season so Gabbert shouldnt get sacked.