Q'uran Burning By Gainesville Nutcase.

Started by JC, August 28, 2010, 01:06:38 PM

Shwaz

I would imagine the FBI will be keeping a close eye on this 'pastor'... mostly investigating any terrorist plots to seek him harm... maybe they'll uncover something dirty on the pastor himself in the process.
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finehoe

Quote from: NotNow on April 04, 2011, 03:59:08 PM
But the government doesn't get to decide what speech is allowed.

Untrue.

QuoteThe First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution guarantees Freedom of Speech. This guarantee generally safeguards the right of individuals to express themselves without governmental restraint. Nevertheless, the Free Speech Clause of the First Amendment is not absolute. It has never been interpreted to guarantee all forms of speech without any restraint whatsoever. Instead, the U.S. Supreme Court has repeatedly ruled that state and federal governments may place reasonable restrictions on the time, place, and manner of individual expression. Time, place, and manner (TPM) restrictions accommodate public convenience and promote order by regulating traffic flow, preserving property interests, conserving the environment, and protecting the administration of justice.

The Supreme Court has developed a four-part analysis to evaluate the constitutionality of TPM restrictions. To pass muster under the First Amendment, TPM restrictions must be contentneutral, be narrowly drawn, serve a significant government interest, and leave open alternative channels of communication. Application of this analysis varies in accordance with the circumstances of each case.

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Time,+Place,+and+Manner+Restrictions


NotNow

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With all due respect Faye, time, place, and manner simply refers to preserving the peace and preserving property.  The government cannot restrict the nature of ANY speech, especially political speech.  

There was a debate when the Bill of Rights was proposed that some would infer that the Constitution "granted" rights.  A careful reading of the document will verify that the rights of human beings are "God given", or universal, and cannot be "granted" or taken away by any government.  The purpose of the US Constitution was to establish the guidelines that the Federal government was to work in, or its "limits".  Therefore the Supreme Court decides on the limits of what the government can do, not the citizens.  We should never forget that.
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buckethead

You all need to shut up.

I get to determine who may say what, and when they may say it.

If I get killed by a teabagger, it's your fault.

finehoe

Quote from: NotNow on April 04, 2011, 05:05:59 PM
A careful reading of the document will verify that the rights of human beings are "God given"

I'm not sure where you get that from.  "God" isn't mentioned at all.  What the document says is that

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

Not a word about where these rights originate from.  

I'm only saying that while it is true you can say whatever you want, it is not true that by doing so you will suffer no consequences.  You certainly can yell "Fire!" in a crowded theater, but there are consequences for doing so.

buckethead

I do recall a little ditty, and it goes something like this:

...endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable...

That said, I haven't given permission for further posting.

Submit to my authority.

Non-RedNeck Westsider

Too bad the Islams overseas don't really give a shit about freedom of speech in America.  This ass-clown is protected by our government to say what he pleases and it is costing lives of others that are overseas. 

This guy is only there to stir the pot and get on camera and he'll use the killings overseas to further his message here that the 'Koran is evil.'   This is feeding the fire, and I hope that he crosses a line here that will allow for some 'vigilante' justice.

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NotNow

Bucket, can I tell Faye to read the Declaration of Independence?
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buckethead

Only if it's the buckethead revised edition. :D

Timkin

Quote from: buckethead on April 04, 2011, 05:09:24 PM
You all need to shut up.

I get to determine who may say what, and when they may say it.

If I get killed by a teabagger, it's your fault.

Hey I didn't say anything  ;)

avonjax

If this A^%wipe believed in real Christianity he would NEVER have jeopardized the lives of other human beings. Yes, the people who committed these senseless murders are a*&wipes too, but they don't claim to be Christians. WWJD? He would have NEVER endangered the lives of others just to make a stupid point. So maybe by law he is innocent, but by the higher power, if you believe that way, HE IS A TOOL AND FOLLOWER OF HIS REAL GOD, THE DEVIL......

avonjax

So in this observers eyes, he IS the real murderer.

buckethead

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I absolutely hate the fact that I have to be the guy to do this, but since there are so many who feel the need to misplace responsibility, I'll do my duty.

The Good Reverend Clusterfuck is responsible for burning a book.

The Murderous mobs who decided to kill people in protest of a book burning are responsible for murder.

It's really no more complex than that.

Assigning responsibility to the wrong person is marching down the road to tyranny. (Goose stepping, no less)

Carry on...

NotNow

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