What To Do With The Shipyards?

[thelakelander]

Here are a few images from earlier today.















Here's a bonus shot. This was taken under the Times-Union building in McCoys Creek.

[CS Foltz]

lake.....even the newer stuff is nothing to write home about!

[fieldafm]

Great pics Lake!  Do you have a high res version of the water-level pic of the 680' pier?

As can be seen from the 2nd pic, the bulkhead work along the shore was at the very least a very positive outcome from the failed Landmar experiment.  Run electrical, lay down pavers, erect streetlights, erect fencing and the riverwalk is done.  The bulkhead work was the most expensive part of the Riverwalk extension.

When I get back to my computer tomorrow I'll have to post the picture I have from the pier.

Did you happen to notice the existing floating dock on the pier 2nd closest to Metro Park?  Would make a great kayak launch.

[tufsu1]

lake.....even the newer stuff is nothing to write home about!

it is a bulkhead...what's wrong with it?

[thelakelander]

Great pics Lake!  Do you have a high res version of the water-level pic of the 680' pier?

Here is a link to the photo gallery:

http://photos.metrojacksonville.com/Neighborhoods/St-Johns-River-September-2010/13810804_ztaEL#1011634654_yoMnu

As can be seen from the 2nd pic, the bulkhead work along the shore was at the very least a very positive outcome from the failed Landmar experiment.  Run electrical, lay down pavers, erect streetlights, erect fencing and the riverwalk is done.  The bulkhead work was the most expensive part of the Riverwalk extension.

Or just put down some donated concrete from Gate. That would be a nice going out gift from the mayor.

Did you happen to notice the existing floating dock on the pier 2nd closest to Metro Park?  Would make a great kayak launch.

[CS Foltz]

tufsu...................second picture which shows piers, the very first one left of center, between the beam and the top of the pier, above the high water mark, is showing a stress fracture running diagonally from the top and down and right. Those piers were more than likely steam driven into the ground at those points and that can happen. I have this thing about substandard work and if you look at the same one, in the middle of the water mark, it looks like fracture running around the thing parallel to the water.. Same line of outside piers, next one down moving right..........notice the tapered top? Only one that shows, all others on that outside line are the same in construction and alignment. Number 3 same line is tilted off vertical plumb, top biased towards shore and for no apparent reason. Notice the underside of the beam showing in the picture, six or seven holes showing and some sort of radial cracking taking place, either from a strike impact or lousy finishing! I just am not impressed with the work............to me classic case of "Low Bidder" work!

[samiam]

Hmmm looks like a great spot to hold boat week

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iUjx4_X1qA

[tufsu1]

CS...LandMar didn't repair most of the piers...juyst the bulkhead itself

[fieldafm]

CS, that pier was built before the depression.  It requires some maintenance work, but is in pretty good shape overall.  Hell, that thing is in MUCH better shape than the Ortega River Bridge and that handles traffic and the load from the drawbridge daily.   

This is an example of a pier that requires major work(the former Ford plant):

Or just put down some donated concrete from Gate. That would be a nice going out gift from the mayor.

There is some concrete work that is required as well.  Maybe you could make that suggestion, lol

Thanks for the pics Lake!

[billy]

Are there other areas of collapsed bulkhead at the Ford Assembly site?
Also, did you actually venture under the Times Union building? 

[thelakelander]

The rest of the Ford bulkhead appears to be fine and yes, we went under the TU and up McCoys Creek to the Park Street viaduct.

[billy]

What sort of boat were you on (particularly the McCoys segment of your jaunt)?
How far up McCoys could one go?

[thelakelander]

We were in a rowboat. However, you could probably get a San Antonio style gondola under the TU when conditions are right.  We took McCoys up to a downed tree near Park Street. If the downed trees were removed, one could make it to Stockton Street in North Riverside.

[billy]

Where did you put in?
Amazing how calm, or not, river can be.
Certainly looked flat calm....I know tidal flow would be critical.

[CS Foltz]

Gentlemen........I understand the issue's involved here  and if the original work, not the Landmark upgrade, dates back to pre-Depression days, it is in decent shape. I do agree with you lake, regarding the Ford situation, classic case of footer failure, not the tie backs. If the tie backs had failed wall would have tipped out due to pressure behind the bulkhead wall...........this is something that I do know about! Not sure about just what Landmark did and they way they did it, thats too new (fingers crossed along with toes!) I don't think that they used coffer dams for dry work, but probably did precast sections, along with some kind of tie back attatched after the fact, thats the cheapest way to do it, but I don't know and won't make an assumption just on a picture! Pier design and bulkhead design are two different animals with very specific issue's to deal with............but you allready know that don't you?