Comments about historic preservation.

[Sportmotor]

The parking for downtown businesses needs to be close because of the perception for potential for crime. It's dark, with nooks for a person to hide. The malls although statistically more targeted for crime because of the dense population dont have the same feeling of vulnerabilty at night. Especially with all of the vacant dark buildings... We need lights, security cameras just like the mall and parking that feels safe and insulated from panhandlers. We also need metered parking upto 3 hours for daytime. My friend got a ticket today while in a meeting near hemming plaza. Really makes me want to go downtown and conduct business. This isn't NYC ... Our downtown is competing with beautiful pristine Disney like malls with piped music lush furniture and fantastic security. I say open downtown to the young creative entrepenuers and let them give it an identity. What do we have to lose?  

but but but they might want to tear down a old rotten ugly building for something demolishing history that no one in my generation cares about and think its time to move FORWARD! OHNOES

[finehoe]

I think there's a job waiting for you at the COJ Planning and Development Department, Sportmotor.

[Sportmotor]

I think there's a job waiting for you at the COJ Planning and Development Department, Sportmotor.

Hey facts are facts, the majority of the city does not live anywhere near the city so you need to draw them, there.
Most with extra money to spend don't know or truth be told care about the history, they look at the city and see alot of empty ugly buildings a couple bars and the high likelyhood of getting a parking ticket.
The city needs to specifically target what and who they want down town. Want people my age going out of the way you need a much better night life. Turn the old courthouse into a club take a risk lol
You want family then you need a family draw extra.

Stop this WE NEED TO SAVE EVERY BUILDING EVER MADDDDDDDDE BS, I think in the long term it hurts more then helps.
In the end we will outlive you(if 2012 doesnt kill everyone) and we will end up with all these buildings that need to be taken down in the future hindering things. Same problem with congress, everyone aims for the now fixes never the well in 20-30 years.


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And sorry stephen housekeeping IS below me, which you can also do XD

[Sportmotor]

I expected a better insult. Try again please.

[Tripoli1711]

I'm certainly on the fence about it in some ways.  If it is a distinctive building with interesting design that adds to the allure/charm of the city, I would almost always be in favor of saving it and adapting it.  If it is just a blah brick building whose only claim to fame is having a 19th or early 20th century date on the cornerstone, I really don't care if it is torn down so long as something worthwhile is put up in its place, which hopefully will be distinctive with an interesting design which adds allure and charm. 

If it is to be torn down to put up a modern blah brick building or a vacant chain link fence lined lot.. (shaking head)

[Shwaz]

I think there's a job waiting for you at the COJ Planning and Development Department, Sportmotor.

Hey facts are facts, the majority of the city does not live anywhere near the city so you need to draw them, there.
Most with extra money to spend don't know or truth be told care about the history, they look at the city and see alot of empty ugly buildings a couple bars and the high likelyhood of getting a parking ticket.
The city needs to specifically target what and who they want down town. Want people my age going out of the way you need a much better night life. Turn the old courthouse into a club take a risk lol
You want family then you need a family draw extra.

Stop this WE NEED TO SAVE EVERY BUILDING EVER MADDDDDDDDE BS, I think in the long term it hurts more then helps.
In the end we will outlive you(if 2012 doesnt kill everyone) and we will end up with all these buildings that need to be taken down in the future hindering things. Same problem with congress, everyone aims for the now fixes never the well in 20-30 years.


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And sorry stephen housekeeping IS below me, which you can also do XD

Sport I don't think your the best spokesperson for the younger generation... even though I just turned 30 I think I still fall into the category... if you don't listen to what Bob Dylan says.

20 somethings do care about preservation and have a shared interest in seeing the urban core grow into it's potential. 

[finehoe]

Most (not all) successful urban entertainment districts seem to develop in historic areas.  People seem to like the ambiance.  Of course, it's too late for that in DT Jax.

[hanjin1]

tell me if i'm wrong but isn't the city doing exactly what you say? all the city does is demolish historic buildings, unfortunately this hasn't done anything but make it worse downtown. need an example look at the lavilla area. they have also target the young crowd, like myself, with the art walk and such. weird thing is that these young people have been utilizing the old buildings that you seem to want to tear down.

[jason_contentdg]

There are enough empty lots in downtown to create a massive amount of density of new construction for the next 10 years...why do any more buildings need to come down and add more empty lots to the fabric?

[MusicMan]

Actually, 11-E and The Carling are two nice examples where the city saved iimportant old buildings,
and actually "Killed two birds with one stone" by providing new residential use which is so desparately needed.

[hanjin1]

There are enough empty lots in downtown to create a massive amount of density of new construction for the next 10 years...why do any more buildings need to come down and add more empty lots to the fabric?

According to the original poster, this will bring the 30 somethings to downtown

[Shwaz]

Actually, 11-E and The Carling are two nice examples where the city saved iimportant old buildings,
and actually "Killed two birds with one stone" by providing new residential use which is so desparately needed.

Other examples... every bar & club on Bay St.

[hanjin1]

so then i am to assume that he meant all the people his age are either farmers or cars salesmen. shoot lets tear them babies down!!!!

[fieldafm]

There are enough empty lots in downtown to create a massive amount of density of new construction for the next 10 years...why do any more buildings need to come down and add more empty lots to the fabric?

According to the original poster, this will bring the 30 somethings to downtown

most 30 somethings that are attracted to endless, empty fields are farmers.  Unless of course you mean, endless empty fields with cars on them, then they are called used car salesmen.

LOL

[fieldafm]

Actually, 11-E and The Carling are two nice examples where the city saved iimportant old buildings,
and actually "Killed two birds with one stone" by providing new residential use which is so desparately needed.

Other examples... every bar & club on Bay St.

Here, here!

Went to Lit for the Pub Crawl and it was an AMAZING use of space.  Dustin unearthed and mined a true jewel!